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"I want to be remembered like Wasim and Waqar" : Junaid Khan

Already one of the best ODI bowlers around. He has all the skills needed in that format.
 
Mamoon said:
One more thing, the youngster card cannot be played for ever. He will be 25 in December and at that age, someone like Umar Gul was killing it for Pakistan in the World T20 2009 but he didn't seem a youngster to most people because he made his debut in 2003.

Two years later, he did well in the 2011 World Cup but lost the plot in the semi final and was past it already for most people.

2014-15 will pretty much define whether Junaid will be the next Umar Gul or a level above him.
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It's not the youngster card, it's the wait and see what he's done once he's settled in and into the second half of his career. He deserves that, it's not like he's averaged 35+ and struggled to pick up wickets his whole career so far.
 
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Out of all the bowlers we have at the moment. Junaid Khan is the only bowler I am watching closely and wanting to see develop. He brings me close to the tv and makes me actually want to see his every bowl be delivered. He definitely has the look of a fast bowler and the aggression. He is no Wasim or Waqar yet and I don't even want him to be. He could be Junaid Khan and still succeed as a bowler. He has shown he has the hunger to succeed and now I hope his hunger brings him some results. We as fans should not give up on a young and promising bowler like him. He is our future who is still in a development process of turning big!
 
Let's see what he does in the county season.

If he can't swing the ball even there, I don't think he's going to develop further and will remain an Umar Gul type of bowler.

People shouldn't have too high hopes.
 
Junaid, That is next to impossible .... dil k behlaney ko ghalib yeh khayal acha hai

You are not even 50% as good as IK or the two W's.
 
^ That's indeed a reality.

He performed rubbish twice in a row in the English season now. First bad performance was blamed on dropped catches and jet lag..

Let's see how this one develops. Still hopeful he MIGHT improve..
 
Junaid playing today

NatWest t20 Blast, North Division: Durham v Lancashire at Chester-le-Street

Is due to bat soon.
 
I don't think Pakistan is getting the best out of Junaid.

The captains and think tank really need to come up with a proper plan for him and when they will use him in limited overs cricket.

When I asked Junaid about working with Waqar his eyes lit up, it was easy to tell that he was looking forward to working with Waqar Younis.
 
J khan won't be remembered in the same way as Wasim or Waqar unless he does something special.
Good player but hope he wins world cup, or series against major teams.......to earn that right.
 
Brilliant prospect for Pakistan and provided he stays fit, should be an integral part of our pace battery.
 
Saj said:
I don't think Pakistan is getting the best out of Junaid.

The captains and think tank really need to come up with a proper plan for him and when they will use him in limited overs cricket.

When I asked Junaid about working with Waqar his eyes lit up, it was easy to tell that he was looking forward to working with Waqar Younis.
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Whilst coaches/captains may not be getting best out of junaid he also needs to improve his skills as a bowler as many a time hes been found wanting and failed to adapt to conditions hes been playing in, also he needs to stay fit and bulk up his body abit more to sustain fitness and his pace.
 
Saj said:
I don't think Pakistan is getting the best out of Junaid.

The captains and think tank really need to come up with a proper plan for him and when they will use him in limited overs cricket.

When I asked Junaid about working with Waqar his eyes lit up, it was easy to tell that he was looking forward to working with Waqar Younis.
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Saj what is the status on his knee? Mamoon shared his insights as a doctor and said it could be career threatening. You have some inside info on this?
 
the only thing he will be remembered for is the supreme show during the India series-Jan 13 . He was & is just one of those one-hit wonders who didn't impress either before or after that series. Sad !!
Bring back the 2As now
 
Junaid disappoints me endlessly.

He is a skilled bowler, but at his marginal height, there are a few things he could have done to cement his career, such as:

1. Bowl at a higher pace - between 140-145,
2. Make himself a good enough batsman to be selectable as the third or fourth bowler in the side - no team can afford three number eleven batters.
3. Make himself superbly fit - but he misses more Tests than he is fit to play.
 
Junaids said:
Junaid disappoints me endlessly.

He is a skilled bowler, but at his marginal height, there are a few things he could have done to cement his career, such as:

1. Bowl at a higher pace - between 140-145,
2. Make himself a good enough batsman to be selectable as the third or fourth bowler in the side - no team can afford three number eleven batters.
3. Make himself superbly fit - but he misses more Tests than he is fit to play.
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Regularly playing test matches since 2012. Nowhere near fragile like Irfan.
 
waleed88 said:
Regularly playing test matches since 2012. Nowhere near fragile like Irfan.
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He has only performed in low-bounce conditions, which doesn't surprise me because he is barely tall enough to be a fast bowler. We have seen nothing to suggest that he can perform in Australia or South Africa and indeed last time Pakistan toured South Africa he refused to play the last two Tests on the absurd basis that his skin hurt after he bumped into a door handle.
 
Junaids said:
He has only performed in low-bounce conditions, which doesn't surprise me because he is barely tall enough to be a fast bowler. We have seen nothing to suggest that he can perform in Australia or South Africa and indeed last time Pakistan toured South Africa he refused to play the last two Tests on the absurd basis that his skin hurt after he bumped into a door handle.
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It seems personal bias more than anything. Has the highest number of 5 wickets hauls against Srilanka on level with Akram, at a strike rate and average comparable to Akram after 17 Test Matches.

Was only genuine wicket taking pacer for a while now, has no consistent partner.

As for what happened in South Africa, what I remember was he got into a speed boat accident which ruled him out for the other two test matches. The PCB put paper on that accident and showed it as an injury so that they are not held responsible for carelessness.
 
Wahab Riaz got tonked around in the ODIs versus South Africa back in 2013. Junaid bowled better than Riaz in that series. That doesn't make Riaz a bad bowler does it??
 
Waleed88, you make fair points.

But I'm a lifelong Lancashire fan, and what I have been told is that in England he is a poor man's Wasim Akram because of his inability to extract bounce. That's a serious shortcoming outside Asia for a quick bowler.
 
adarsh_bang said:
Saj what is the status on his knee? Mamoon shared his insights as a doctor and said it could be career threatening. You have some inside info on this?
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The injury in itself is not career threatening, but once you have a major knee surgery, recurring niggles and complications are very common.

Junaid bowls with a lot of intensity and bends his back. It's no surprise that so far in his short career he has been injured multiple times. Going forward, he will have to be manages carefully. Just not robust enough to play all 3 formats regularly.

There has been a certain mystery attached to his knee injury though, with conflicting reports coming up and no one really know what's going on. Initially it was revealed that he had a grade 3 fracture which is very serious and almost needs 6-9 months rehabilitation, then later those reports were rubbished.

I think there is a desperation in the camp to make him play at the World Cup whatever it takes and surgery is being avoided at all costs.
 
Dreadful again, hope we dump him after this season. Should never play for Pakistan again as well, nothing but a stain on our fast bowling legacy.

At least he dreamed big and wanted to be remembered like W&W, a cat can also look into a mirror and think it can grow into a tiger.
 
Mamoon said:
Dreadful again, hope we dump him after this season. Should never play for Pakistan again as well, nothing but a stain on our fast bowling legacy.

At least he dreamed big and wanted to be remembered like W&W, a cat can also look into a mirror and think it can grow into a tiger.
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I agree with him being overrated he won't get dropped playing in this rubbish league and on the basis of it being a t20 game
 
Mamoon said:
Dreadful again, hope we dump him after this season. Should never play for Pakistan again as well, nothing but a stain on our fast bowling legacy.

At least he dreamed big and wanted to be remembered like W&W, a cat can also look into a mirror and think it can grow into a tiger.
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Never rated him myself. He was so hyped on here because of that series against India and a good series against Sri Lanka.
Since he has regressed. Absolutely poor and rubbish bowler.
 
s.h.a.k said:
Never rated him myself. He was so hyped on here because of that series against India and a good series against Sri Lanka.
Since he has regressed. Absolutely poor and rubbish bowler.
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Fooled everyone with that fluke Indian spell, but since that series, he has bowled ordinary even when his stats looked good. His luck ran out around the 2014 Asia Cup and WT20 and then he fortunately got injured, which bought his stuttering career more time.

He has been fit for a while now but is still rubbish, so that excuses doesn't work anymore. He is simply terrible, both skill-wise and intelligence-wise. Not to mention his potentially illegal action.

No pace, no swing, no seam, no control, no brain, can't bat, can't field. What a package.
 
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Oh he was horrible today, not even a good last over could compensate for the mess he made, he was absolutely awful today..

I won't be surprised if he gets demoted to the bronze category after this
 
ordinary bowler now- doesn't have the variety he did 4 years ago

I don't think he has a international future with Pakistan
 
Sad to see him regress so much. I remember watching him bowl during his first spell for Lancashire and thought the lad was something quite special but his career just hasn't developed as expected.
 
Mamoon said:
One more thing, the youngster card cannot be played for ever. He will be 25 in December and at that age, someone like Umar Gul was killing it for Pakistan in the World T20 2009 but he didn't seem a youngster to most people because he made his debut in 2003.

Two years later, he did well in the 2011 World Cup but lost the plot in the semi final and was past it already for most people.

2014-15 will pretty much define whether Junaid will be the next Umar Gul or a level above him.
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Three years on, some people are still playing the 'youngster' card, and as far as the comparison with Gul is concerned, he has managed to match his lows but hasn't been anywhere near the highs Gul has enjoyed. So in conclusion, he is just a poor man's Gul.
 
I see his blind support clan still clinging on, trying to find ways and excuses to keep him only in "X" format.

The only format Junaid deserves to play in is his street cricket. Okay, that's a bit harsh, but the domestic regional side is fine too.
 
Sad to see the decline. What is happening to PAK Cricketers not putting the hard yards?
I remember Nasser Hussain oddling over PAK Fast Bowling Talent a few years ago...

They all seem to be regressing
 
Mamoon said:
Three years on, some people are still playing the 'youngster' card, and as far as the comparison with Gul is concerned, he has managed to match his lows but hasn't been anywhere near the highs Gul has enjoyed. So in conclusion, he is just a poor man's Gul.
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Gul was an excellent T20 bowler, probably the best T20 fast bowler at one time and a very good ODI bowler too. Junaid is not even 1/3rd of what Gul was like in his prime.
 
He looks like a shadow of his former self but he is miles better than Wahab Riaz.
 
The batsmen have found him as the weaklink of the attack.. he bowls this non-serious rubbish at the start of his innings, its like after coming back to Australia hes forgotten to bowl on UAE wickets..

Starts off wicket cutters and gentle out swingers...

Result is batsmen started getting on top of his deliveries and really poverizing the length that he bowls...

Watson is a dangerous customer when bowled into the stumps, like Amir did and he got punished for it with 18 runs...

He tried offstump yorkers but he genuinely lost the plot and confidence at that point..

The no-balls are not doing a favor to him either.. he had Smith out off a no-ball but even that was a full toss that deserved full treatment

Two matches played... both lost to Islamabad thanks to Junaid Khan
 
Man toooooo much hate for juni .He is miles better than wahab who fails in international after every two

matches .Juni is vital for us in odis
 
Mamoon said:
Fooled everyone with that fluke Indian spell, but since that series, he has bowled ordinary even when his stats looked good. His luck ran out around the 2014 Asia Cup and WT20 and then he fortunately got injured, which bought his stuttering career more time.

He has been fit for a while now but is still rubbish, so that excuses doesn't work anymore. He is simply terrible, both skill-wise and intelligence-wise. Not to mention his potentially illegal action.

No pace, no swing, no seam, no control, no brain, can't bat, can't field. What a package.
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Still - I'd rather play him than Rahat or Sohail Khan.
 
Mamoon said:
Fooled everyone with that fluke Indian spell, but since that series, he has bowled ordinary even when his stats looked good. His luck ran out around the 2014 Asia Cup and WT20 and then he fortunately got injured, which bought his stuttering career more time.

He has been fit for a while now but is still rubbish, so that excuses doesn't work anymore. He is simply terrible, both skill-wise and intelligence-wise. Not to mention his potentially illegal action.

No pace, no swing, no seam, no control, no brain, can't bat, can't field. What a package.
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Actually since his return to the national side in Australia, I have seen some signs of his old skills, he has got some swing and seam movement and at times produces a decent delivery which troubles the batsman. His problem is the same as the rest of Pakistan pacers like Sohail Tanvir and Rahat. Mentally weak and no control. Irfan and Wahab are similar in lacking accuracy, but at least they have pace or bounce to give them some margin for error.
 
He will be always remembered by Zalmi fans for losing them two games single handedly against Islamabad United.

That's his legacy for now.
 
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Mamoon said:
Fooled everyone with that fluke Indian spell, but since that series, he has bowled ordinary even when his stats looked good. His luck ran out around the 2014 Asia Cup and WT20 and then he fortunately got injured, which bought his stuttering career more time.

He has been fit for a while now but is still rubbish, so that excuses doesn't work anymore. He is simply terrible, both skill-wise and intelligence-wise. Not to mention his potentially illegal action.

No pace, no swing, no seam, no control, no brain, can't bat, can't field. What a package.
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Fortunately, got injured? Too far brah lol nonetheless agree with the rest.
 
"...but I get smacked around like Abey Kuruvilla."

Article forgot the rest of his quote. :yk
 
Best pacer in UAE tests since 2010-11. Has 3 or 4 five-fors in dead conditions.

Was not a one series wonder surely. Lets see if he can regain some of his swing/control
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Actually since his return to the national side in Australia, I have seen some signs of his old skills, he has got some swing and seam movement and at times produces a decent delivery which troubles the batsman. His problem is the same as the rest of Pakistan pacers like Sohail Tanvir and Rahat. Mentally weak and no control. Irfan and Wahab are similar in lacking accuracy, but at least they have pace or bounce to give them some margin for error.
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Please don't pay attention to someone's post who is absolutely wrong in judgment about Junaid.Junaid was totally mishandled by Pakistan.He was not given enough opportunities like Wahab when Junaid was returning from injury.Before injury, Junaid bowled better than Wahab.Yet, Misbah was not playing Junaid regularly in ODI team.Junaid still has got swing and bowled with some venom in Australia,got breakthroughs.Some Pakistanis are so obsessed with pace that sprayguns like Wahab and Rahat get support.I can just bet any money on this-bowl Junaid and Wahab in tandem for 10 ODIS and 5 tests and Junaid will do better than Wahab in all aspects.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Sohail Khan is miles better from what I've seen. Not only in the PSL, but he delivered in the ODI World Cup as well given his limited pace.
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swings the new ball. has good control at the death ( though the slower ball is a bit obvious) and he uses his brain too as seen yesterday with that 3rd bouncer in a row to afridi.
add the fact that he can club a few into the stand and its a no brainer for the CT.
 
Mainul said:
Please don't pay attention to someone's post who is absolutely wrong in judgment about Junaid.Junaid was totally mishandled by Pakistan.He was not given enough opportunities like Wahab when Junaid was returning from injury.Before injury, Junaid bowled better than Wahab.Yet, Misbah was not playing Junaid regularly in ODI team.Junaid still has got swing and bowled with some venom in Australia,got breakthroughs.Some Pakistanis are so obsessed with pace that sprayguns like Wahab and Rahat get support.I can just bet any money on this-bowl Junaid and Wahab in tandem for 10 ODIS and 5 tests and Junaid will do better than Wahab in all aspects.
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He never had swing, only occasional seam movement. That famous Indian spell was also seam movement, not swing. His action and release does not allow for the ball to swing, but if he lands the ball on the right spot randomly, he does get some seam movement. Randomly because his wrist position is poor.
 
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