Ian Chappell and Mike Procter's top five all-rounders ever

[Hitman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJfzD6YSnS8

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Ian Chappel's Top 5 All Rounders Ever -

1. Garry Sobers
2. Keith Miller
3. Jacques Kallis
4. Imran Khan
5. Ian Botham

Mike Procter's Top 5 All Rounders Ever -

1. Garry Sobers
2. Jacques Kallis
3. Ian Botham
4. Imran Khan
5. Richard Hadlee

 

[Junaids]

Ironically, neither one picked Procter!

My list is

1. Sobers
2. Miller
3. Procter
4. Imran Khan
5. Kallis

 

[JaDed]

Ironically, neither one picked Procter!

My list is

1. Sobers
2. Miller
3. Procter
4. Imran Khan
5. Kallis

That's not ironical Junaids its logical as its someone who played 7 tests with bat average of 25.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Ironically, neither one picked Procter!

My list is

1. Sobers
2. Miller
3. Procter
4. Imran Khan
5. Kallis

Procter played only 7 tests. Maybe he would've been picked if he had a larger sample size of playing international cricket which he was denied of because of the isolation.

 

[Junaids]

That's not ironical Junaids its logical as its someone who played 7 tests with bat average of 25.

Only because of Apartheid.

He's a man who made six centuries in consecutive First Class innings - and 48 in total!

Put it this way - we called his team Proctershire - even though Zaheer Abbas was in the team.

 

[Slog]

Hadlee hardly qualifies as a great A/R

27 batting average and just 2 hundreds

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Ironically, neither one picked Procter!

My list is

1. Sobers
2. Miller
3. Procter
4. Imran Khan
5. Kallis

No Beefy ?? Come on Junaids bhai this is ridiculous !

 

[Stallion__]

You can't keep Miller out of top 5. Chappell's list is better.

 

[Buffet]

Good to see Kallis rated among the top 3 all rounders by Proctor and Chappell both. It's a ver good list, but I am not sure about Hadlee deserving a sport as an top 5 all rounders. He will easily make as the top 5 bowlers though.

 

[JaDed]

Only because of Apartheid.

He's a man who made six centuries in consecutive First Class innings - and 48 in total!

Put it this way - we called his team Proctershire - even though Zaheer Abbas was in the team.

Not the same sorry to say.

 

[Bilal7]

Faulty list. A more accurate one would be:

1) Imran Khan (ATG bowler, good batsman, ATG captain).
2) Keith Miller (Great bowler, good batsman).
3) Gary Sobers (decent bowler, ATG batsman).
4) Jacques Kallis (decent bowler, ATG batsman).
5) Ian Botham (good bowler, good batsman).

 

[Romali_rotti]

I dont know how Botham makes this list, the guy was horrible vs the best side of his ERA the WI. He could not bowl to them and was a shooting duck as a batsmen vs them.. Sorry if you cant perform against the best you are simply not good enuff imo.....

 

[Zahid87]

Chappell picked Botham....interesting

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

My Top 3 :


1. Sir Garry Sobers
2. Jacques Kallis
3. Imran Khan


Mike Proctor and Clive Rice could have been in Top 3 had their been no Apartheid.

 

[Haz95]

When it comes to which allrounder is better...statistically they're very similar- both are good. But...Batting allrounders are pretty overrated. Sure they're utility players who provide great balance but are they as impacting as bowling all rounders? No.

Simple question, can you remember an impacting 100 by a bowling allrounder like Immy, Kapil or Botham or a 5fer/6fer by Kallis/Sobers

 

[Robert]

Chappell is correct, though I would push Miller below Imran because he didn't really like bowling.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Simple question, can you remember an impacting 100 by a bowling allrounder like Immy, Kapil or Botham

Are you talking test or ODIs ?

 

[Dark Magician]

The older I get the more I believe it's pointless to compare bowling Allrounders to Batting Allrounders because they don't have the same roles in the side.

 

[jeetu]

Top 5 A/R

1. Sobers (best batting A/R)
2. Imran (best bowling A/R)
3. Kallis (misses out top 2 because low wickets per match)
4. Keith Miller (almost similar stats as Imran but less number of matches)
5. Tony Grieg (40 bat avg , 32 ball avg)

 

[Harsh Thakor]

Ironically, neither one picked Procter!

My list is

1. Sobers
2. Miller
3. Procter
4. Imran Khan
5. Kallis

Where do you place Botham and Kapil Dev?In his peak Botham was like a re-incarnated Gray Sobers and arguably the best ever after him.At his best he was the best of all match-winners as an all-rounder like in the 1980 Jubilee test in mumbai and the 1981 Ashes.No all-rounder resurrected a team from the grave to achieve a victory like Botham could.No all-rounder of his era could change the complexion of a game with both at and ball like Ian did.Kapil Dev often matched Botham being superb against the West Indies,the best team of hi s day and capturing the majority of his scalps on flat pancakes.Kapil at Lords in 1982 or v Pakistan in 1979-80 was as good as anyone and may have even surpased Botham if he had helpful conditions.He was the best of them all in O.D.I's.

Why is Kallis not 2nd in the list?At his best Botham was 2nd and overall atleast the equal of Imran as an allrounder which even stats convey.Considering he took 434 wicket and scored 5248 run sis not Kapil Dev right up there?

 

[Shafi]

Sakib should be among top 2-3

 

[Harsh Thakor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJfzD6YSnS8

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Sad Kapil Dev's name is obliterated who has 534 scalps and 5248 runs under his belly like noone else.In addition see his great OD.I.stats.Kapil could join Botham and Imran but ws handicapped playing on flat panackse receiving no support as a pace bolwer.Kapil could make an electrifying impact on a game with both bat and ball like at Lords in 1982 nad v Pakistan in the 1979-80 series and was the architect of many a famous Indian win.Above all Kapil gave some of his finest performances against the best team of alltime,the 1980's West Indies team.Remember how many times Kapil took 7 or more wickets.

At his best Botham from 1977-82 was 2nd to Sobers,who could at his best win game or ressurect a team from the grave more than nay all-rounder in history.

With his herculean or staggering statistics Kallis deserves the overall runner-up accolade with Sobers rightly on top of the pedestal.Playing in different eras difficualt to accurately rate Miller and Kallis.

Congragulate both for placing Gary at the top who took cricketing art to it's highest zenith and reached depths of genius no one else did.Statistics merely could never do true justice to Sober's prowess as a cricketer.In his peak era he was also a great bowler if you ***** his era taking around 4 wickets per test.

 

[Harsh Thakor]

Hadlee hardly qualifies as a great A/R

27 batting average and just 2 hundreds

Kapil Dev my choice instead of Hadlee.

 

[Harsh Thakor]

Faulty list. A more accurate one would be:

1) Imran Khan (ATG bowler, good batsman, ATG captain).
2) Keith Miller (Great bowler, good batsman).
3) Gary Sobers (decent bowler, ATG batsman).
4) Jacques Kallis (decent bowler, ATG batsman).
5) Ian Botham (good bowler, good batsman).

Why the genius Sobers below Miller and Imran?Botham was great bowler in his peak and at his best a great batsmen.At his best no all-rounder could ever turn the complexion of game as much as Botham.Stats do not do justice to Sobers who morally wast he most versatile of all bowlers and could bat bowl and field taking cricketing genius to it's greatest depth.Imran or Miller never equalled Sobers efforts against England playing for rest of the world in 1970 when he took 21 wickets and scored 688 runs or in 1966 in England when he took 20 wickets and scored 722 runs.Gray was the equivalent of a Bradman to all-rounders.In his peak era he took 4 wickets per test.As a pure all-rounder Imran and Botham are neck to neck with Kpail Dev almost there.Imran's captaincy may make him arguably next to Sobers.At his best as an all-rounder from 1977-82 Ian Botham was 2nd to Sobers.

 

[Harsh Thakor]

Chappell is correct, though I would push Miller below Imran because he didn't really like bowling.

Where do you rank Ian Botham?Not imran's equal as an all-rounder?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Above all Kapil gave some of his finest performances against the best team of alltime,the 1980's West Indies team.Remember how many times Kapil took 7 or more wickets.

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This is why Dev is way ahead of Botham, performance vs the best. Dev even has a better bowling economy rate than Imran I think in WI, who can forget his pulverizing 100 at a strike rate of 100 in the WI, vs Marshall, Holding and CO making them look like club cricketers. A 100 like that in those days at that strike rate vs any team let alone an all time great team was unheard of, that 100 he scored in WI is worth its value in GOLD..... Meanwhile our friend Botham was a deer in front of headlights when he played the WI with the bat and the ball...........

 

[jeetu]

Where do you rank Ian Botham?Not imran's equal as an all-rounder?

Botham at his peak was great ,but from 1986 onwards he slumped alarmingly. He retired in 92. So thats a good 6-7 year period.
Less than 24 batting average , 45+ bowling average.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

 

[Harsh Thakor]

Botham at his peak was great ,but from 1986 onwards he slumped alarmingly. He retired in 92. So thats a good 6-7 year period.
Less than 24 batting average , 45+ bowling average.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

whaere do you rank Kapil Dev ?

 

[jeetu]

[MENTION=132062]Harsh Thakor[/MENTION]

Ignoring Current A/R this is my list.

My Top 10

1. Sobers
2. Imran
3. Kallis
4. Keith Miller
5. Tony Grieg
6. Shaun Pollock
7. Ian Botham
8. Kapil Dev
9. Chris Cairns
10. Richard Hadlee

I did a thread on A/R last month. You can check if you wish.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...s-according-to-detailed-statistics&highlight=

 

[Tusker]

That's not ironical Junaids its logical as its someone who played 7 tests with bat average of 25.

Procter played only 7 tests. Maybe he would've been picked if he had a larger sample size of playing international cricket which he was denied of because of the isolation.

The Bar is extremely low for some privileged people .... like Procter, Barry, Pollock ... and you are not allowed to introduced facts , logic, reason into the discussion.

Typically these threads will follow a pattern like this : I respond with some damning footage , people will try to discredit the footage for some flimsy reason or counter with more verbal accounts from some obsucre source or some other cricket expert -- I introduce more facts and more damning evidence and then there will be silence. Only to be resumed on a different thread at a different time and then we do rinse repeat of the same old BS theories as though none of the previous discussions never took place lol .

The thing is in cricket there is a whole mass of absolutely die-hard fanatic fans of past era's. No amount of fact checks will make them budge from their untenable positions. Only an act of God will move them. Some just get angry and resort to ridicule, abuse, jibes , insults to shut down the opposition.

 

[jeetu]

The Bar is extremely low for some privileged people .... like Procter, Barry, Pollock ... and you are not allowed to introduced facts , logic, reason into the discussion.

Personally while i sympathize with guys like Barry Richards etc who lost international career due to non cricketing reasons. But county cricket should not be biggest reason of greatness.

Barry Richards has amazing FC record - 28,000 runs avg 54

Another county great had pretty similar record.
Greame Hick - 41,000 runs avg 52+

He was slated to be second coming of Bradman by media before he even made test debut.
His international record - 3,383 runs avg 31.32

 

[FlickedOffHips]

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[Tusker]

Personally while i sympathize with guys like Barry Richards etc who lost international career due to non cricketing reasons. But county cricket should not be biggest reason of greatness.

Barry Richards has amazing FC record - 28,000 runs avg 54

Another county great had pretty similar record.
Greame Hick - 41,000 runs avg 52+

He was slated to be second coming of Bradman by media before he even made test debut.
His international record - 3,383 runs avg 31.32

Thats a great example !

 

[Romali_rotti]

Personally while i sympathize with guys like Barry Richards etc who lost international career due to non cricketing reasons. But county cricket should not be biggest reason of greatness.

Barry Richards has amazing FC record - 28,000 runs avg 54

Another county great had pretty similar record.
Greame Hick - 41,000 runs avg 52+

He was slated to be second coming of Bradman by media before he even made test debut.
His international record - 3,383 runs avg 31.32

Mark Ramprakash was another example of county first class greatness but could not replicate that into the international arena. First class cricket and international cricket should not be compared, the comparison is apples and oranges.

 

[Chrish]

I dont know how Botham makes this list, the guy was horrible vs the best side of his ERA the WI. He could not bowl to them and was a shooting duck as a batsmen vs them.. Sorry if you cant perform against the best you are simply not good enuff imo.....

Judged by the peak by some..

 

[Robert]

Meanwhile our friend Botham was a deer in front of headlights when he played the WI with the bat and the ball...........

Sir Ian was never a deer in anyone's headlights. If anything he was too confident against WI, kept trying to smash them and got out. Sir Viv Richards said that Sir Ian was the man they prepared hardest against, because they saw what he did to everyone else. By and large they were able to keep him quiet, though I recall fondly watching him take an eightfer at Lords's, then come in and hit 80 later on.

He was made skipper, a role to which he was not suited, and immediately had to play WI for ten tests in a row. That messed his figures up against them.

Kapil's century against WI came against a drastically reduced pace attack, while Sir Ian copped the big four every time.

I will agree that Kapil was the better bowler because he had more success overseas, but Botham was clearly the better batsman, scoring 14 test centuries to Kapil's 8 despite playing half his cricket in England, and he was also the best slip fielder of his day.

 

[Robert]

Personally while i sympathize with guys like Barry Richards etc who lost international career due to non cricketing reasons. But county cricket should not be biggest reason of greatness.

Barry Richards has amazing FC record - 28,000 runs avg 54

But look what Barry Richards did against WI, Lillee and Imran in WSC.

 

[Harsh Thakor]

Sir Ian was never a deer in anyone's headlights. If anything he was too confident against WI, kept trying to smash them and got out. Sir Viv Richards said that Sir Ian was the man they prepared hardest against, because they saw what he did to everyone else. By and large they were able to keep him quiet, though I recall fondly watching him take an eightfer at Lords's, then come in and hit 80 later on.

He was made skipper, a role to which he was not suited, and immediately had to play WI for ten tests in a row. That messed his figures up against them.

Kapil's century against WI came against a drastically reduced pace attack, while Sir Ian copped the big four every time.

I will agree that Kapil was the better bowler because he had more success overseas, but Botham was clearly the better batsman, scoring 14 test centuries to Kapil's 8 despite playing half his cricket in England, and he was also the best slip fielder of his day.

Was not Botham in his prime the best after Sobers and even ahead of Imran?

 

[Junaids]

Where do you place Botham and Kapil Dev?In his peak Botham was like a re-incarnated Gray Sobers and arguably the best ever after him.At his best he was the best of all match-winners as an all-rounder like in the 1980 Jubilee test in mumbai and the 1981 Ashes.No all-rounder resurrected a team from the grave to achieve a victory like Botham could.No all-rounder of his era could change the complexion of a game with both at and ball like Ian did.Kapil Dev often matched Botham being superb against the West Indies,the best team of hi s day and capturing the majority of his scalps on flat pancakes.Kapil at Lords in 1982 or v Pakistan in 1979-80 was as good as anyone and may have even surpased Botham if he had helpful conditions.He was the best of them all in O.D.I's.

Why is Kallis not 2nd in the list?At his best Botham was 2nd and overall atleast the equal of Imran as an allrounder which even stats convey.Considering he took 434 wicket and scored 5248 run sis not Kapil Dev right up there?

Kallis was a different beast, a batting all-rounder. So he hardly won any Tests with his bowling.

Imran Khan performed against the West Indies in a way that Kapil Dev and Botham never could, which is why I rank him higher.

Plus Botham and Kapil Dev spent the last ten years of their careers bowling at roughly Younis Khan or Colin De Grandhomme's pace, so their brilliance at their peak is largely replaced in the memory bank by a final decade of mediocrity.

But look what Barry Richards did against WI, Lillee and Imran in WSC.

Firstly, Barry Richards was the greatest batsmen in the highest form of cricket of all, the WSC SuperTests.

Secondly, he played county cricket when every county fielded at least 4 overseas superstars: Hick and Ramprakash played against a maximum of 1.

 

[Sidilicious]

But look what Barry Richards did against WI, Lillee and Imran in WSC.

WSC will still be a form of domestic cricket. Achievements in International cricket are sacrosanct and shouldn't be compared with first class cricket when comparing the utility of a player.

 

[Junaids]

WSC will still be a form of domestic cricket. Achievements in International cricket are sacrosanct and shouldn't be compared with first class cricket when comparing the utility of a player.

WSC was a much higher form of international cricket than has ever been played at any other time.

Everyone who played it - from Viv Richards to Imran Khan to Dennis Lillee to Tony Greig - has been absolutely clear in saying that it was tougher than Test cricket.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Sir Ian was never a deer in anyone's headlights. If anything he was too confident against WI, kept trying to smash them and got out. Sir Viv Richards said that Sir Ian was the man they prepared hardest against, because they saw what he did to everyone else. By and large they were able to keep him quiet, though I recall fondly watching him take an eightfer at Lords's, then come in and hit 80 later on.


A batting avg of 21, with 1 x 50 in 21 test matches tells a sorry tale, you are right that the WI were able to keep him quiet, it was because he just was not good enough to face them. Now you can make have weak arguments such as; he was too confident, cocky or whatever but when you do so poorly after so many games it shows you just weren't up-to task. Heck even Ponting has 1 x 100 and a few 50s in India after 14 test matches even though he avgs 20 odd..... Robert it does not look good for a level headed, knowledgeable poster like yourself to act like a fan boy and make excuses


He was made skipper, a role to which he was not suited, and immediately had to play WI for ten tests in a row. That messed his figures up against them.

Again another excuse,

Kapil's century against WI came against a drastically reduced pace attack, while Sir Ian copped the big four every time.



Scoring a 100 of 95 balls in WI against A bowling attack consisting of Holding, Marshall, Garner and Roberts is a drastically reduced pace attack ? I hope this was just your sense of humor.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63336.html






I will agree that Kapil was the better bowler because he had more success overseas,

Dev was the better bowler and batsmen vs the greatest side of their Era, that is all that matters.


but Botham was clearly the better batsman, scoring 14 test centuries to Kapil's 8 despite playing half his cricket in England, and he was also the best slip fielder of his day.


Botham was better vs inferior teams with the bat, I agree, if anything DEV played with a 6 and out attitude which I am sure you would agree having watched him, hence he scored less 100s than Botham.

Bold...

 

[Sidilicious]

WSC was a much higher form of international cricket than has ever been played at any other time.

Everyone who played it - from Viv Richards to Imran Khan to Dennis Lillee to Tony Greig - has been absolutely clear in saying that it was tougher than Test cricket.

Players can claim whatever they like, but it was never officially recognised international cricket. The highest form of cricket will always be International cricket and the performance in WSC cricket can not replace International cricket.

 

[Hitman]

I haven't placed my opinion yet. Here are my top 5 all rounders -

1. Garry Sobers
2. Imran Khan
3. Keith Miller
4. Jacques Kallis
5. Ian Botham.

 

[Junaids]

Players can claim whatever they like, but it was never officially recognised international cricket. The highest form of cricket will always be International cricket and the performance in WSC cricket can not replace International cricket.

It was international cricket, and is only not recognised because of who ran it.

But the "official" matches of the 1977-79 period are viewed as an absolute joke, which nobody really recognises because the best players were all in WSC.

 

[Sidilicious]

It was international cricket, and is only not recognised because of who ran it.

But the "official" matches of the 1977-79 period are viewed as an absolute joke, which nobody really recognises because the best players were all in WSC.

You might not consider them official, but history will. And thats what matters.

 

[Robert]

You might not consider them official, but history will. And thats what matters.

But you have to know the context to understand the history. Would England have beaten Australia 1-5 away if Lillee, Thomson and the Chappells had played? Of course not.

 

[Robert]

Was not Botham in his prime the best after Sobers and even ahead of Imran?

Prime Botham was a monster. I would have loved to watch that Mumbai centenary match. I would put him ahead of Imran from 1977-82 but not over their careers, because Botham declined while Imran arguably got better, especially with the bat.

I would not put Botham ahead of Miller either - probably the most naturally gifted player ever.

 

[Robert]

Bold...

Sir Ian was good enough - if you saw him smashing Lillee and Lawson around on a Headingley green mamba with variable bounce you would agree. The captaincy messed his game up. Look at his record before, during and after. He couldn't get a wicket or a run, then got a sixfer and a century immediately after resigning the armband. I am confident that had Brearley stayed on as skipper, Botham would have got that century against WI in 1980.

Of course his failure against WI counts against him. But Lamb averaged more against WI than Gower did. Does that mean Lamb was better than Gower? No.

Fair enough on Kapil in Port-of-Spain. I must be mixing him up with Imran.

 

[jeetu]

Prime Botham was a monster. I would have loved to watch that Mumbai centenary match. I would put him ahead of Imran from 1977-82 but not over their careers, because Botham declined while Imran arguably got better, especially with the bat.

I would not put Botham ahead of Miller either - probably the most naturally gifted player ever.

Botham career can be spilt in 3 parts.
1978-81 when good batsman and great bowler.
82-86 good batsman , decent bowler
87-92 average batsman , terrible bowler.

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[tr][td]1977 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]12.5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]20.2 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]-7.69 [/td][/tr]
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[tr][td]1978 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]597 [/td][td]39.8 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]18.19 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]21.6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1979 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]446 [/td][td]37.16 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]42 [/td][td]20.73 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]16.42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1980 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]437 [/td][td]31.21 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]23.37 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]7.84 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1981 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]629 [/td][td]28.59 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]25.54 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]3.04 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1982 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]1095 [/td][td]49.77 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]37.23 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]12.53 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1983 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]319 [/td][td]31.9 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1.9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1984 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]611 [/td][td]35.94 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]37.57 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]-1.63 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1985 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]250 [/td][td]31.25 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]27.58 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]3.66 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1986 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]400 [/td][td]28.57 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]37.13 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]-8.55 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1987 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]248 [/td][td]27.55 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]70.28 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]-42.73 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1989 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]15.5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]80.33 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]-64.83 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1991 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]57 [/td][td]28.5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1.5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1992 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]45.66 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]-39.66 [/td][/tr]
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[Romali_rotti]

Imran Khan performed against the West Indies in a way that Kapil Dev and Botham never could, which is why I rank him higher.

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What makes you say the above ? Stats of Kapil & Imran vs the WI is just about the same, see below:

DEV:

1978-1989 25 1079 126* 30.82 3 89 9/83 24.89 4 17


IMRAN:

1977-1990 18 775 123 27.67 1 80 7/80 21.18 6 4

 

[Tusker]

Sir Ian was good enough - if you saw him smashing Lillee and Lawson around on a Headingley green mamba with variable bounce you would agree.

Please have a look at the footage and tell me how the bowling can be considered to be of such high quality .... less said the better about the "Green" pitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG7oRGEh9KM


I hope you realize how embellishments are tacked on to make a good story a fairy tale.