ICC Board agrees on revised financial distribution ensuring a more equitable distribution of revenue

[jeetu]

The first ICC Board meeting of 2017 has concluded in Dubai with a series of key decisions being taken. With a full Board meeting, Chief Executives’ Committee and Finance and Commercial Affairs Committee meeting, the agenda over three days 2-4 February was a packed one.

Agreement in principle to constitutional and financial change, further progress on future international cricket structures and agreement around the consistent use of DRS were just three of the outcomes of the meetings, detailed below.


Governance and financial model

The changes recommended by the ICC Working Group to the constitution and financial model have been passed in principle by the ICC Board with a commitment to consider any further representations from the Members and completing the detail by the April ICC Board meeting.

The broader principles that have been agreed include:

• A revised financial distribution ensuring a more equitable distribution of revenues
• A revised constitution to reflect good governance, expanding and clarifying of the roles and objectives of the ICC to provide leadership in international cricket. Further constitutional changes proposed include:

1. The potential to include additional Full Members (Ireland and Afghanistan subject to both meeting Membership criteria)
2. Removal of the Affiliate level of Membership so only two categories; Full Member and Associate Member
3. The introduction of Membership criteria and a Membership Committee established to ensure ongoing compliance
4. The introduction of an independent female director
5. Equal weight of votes for all Board Members regardless of Membership status
6. All Members to be entitled to attend the AGM

The new financial model, from recommendations of the working group convened in 2016 to consider the 2014 resolutions, was developed using the following guiding principles

• Equity
• Good conscience
• Common sense and simplicity
• Enabling every Member to grow
• Revenue generated by Members
• Greater transparency
• Recognition of interdependency amongst Members, that cricket playing nations each other and the more strong nations the better for the sport

The ICC Board agreed to work collaboratively on the detail of the constitution and model with a view to final sign off at the April Board meeting and submission to the full ICC Council in June.


ICC Chairman Shashank Manohar said: “Today was an important step forward for the future of the ICC and cricket around the world. The proposals from the working group to reverse the resolutions of 2014 and deliver a revised constitution and financial model were accepted by the ICC Board and now we will work collectively to refine the detail for final sign off in April. This also allows the new BCCI leadership appropriate time to appraise the detail and contribute.

“I want the ICC to be reasonable and fair in our approach to all 105 Members and the revised constitution and financial model does that. There are still details to work through and concerns to be addressed, but the principle of change is agreed and not for debate.

“There was a strong desire from the ICC Board to work together for the betterment of cricket, utilising our expertise appropriately and pursuing the growth of the sport around the world.”


International cricket structures

Progress was made around the future structures of bilateral international cricket with a preferred model identified by the Member Chief Executives for all three formats of the sport. This framework will now be used to build a more detailed model that incorporates scheduling and accommodates existing agreements to present to the ICC Board for full consideration in April and includes:

• Nine-team Test league run over a two year cycle
• Remaining three Test teams to be guaranteed a consistent and confirmed schedule of Test matches against all other teams
• 13 team ODI league run over a three year period leading into qualification for the ICC Cricket World Cup 2023
• Regional T20 competition structure to be developed as a pathway to qualification for the ICC World T20

A scheduling summit will now be held in March before a detailed proposal is put to the ICC Board in April.

ICC Chief Executive David Richardson said: “The ICC Chief Executives’ Committee has explored a whole range of solutions to the future structure of bilateral cricket ranging from the status quo to two tier leagues and every possible option in-between.

“The model the group has agreed on enables us to provide context for all three formats of the game and in the case of the ODI and T20 solutions the approach goes beyond the full Members and aligns bilateral cricket with qualification for ICC events.


Other decisions of note include:

Cricket

• The Chief Executives’ Committee agreed to the principle of a consistent use of DRS technology across all international cricket. A full implementation plan will be considered by the ICC Cricket Committee in May before approval in June 2017 for roll-out from October 2017.

In the interim the CEC agreed that DRS will be used in the ICC Champions Trophy 2017, all televised games at the ICC Women’s World Cup and all future ICC World Twenty20 televised games with one review per side. Post 2017 any technology used must be checked and approved by MIT.

• Changes to the ICC Pitch and Outfield Monitoring Process were agreed. The CEC agreed that venues and Boards should be more accountable for the standard of pitches and outfields they present for international matches, and that there should be consequences for a venue if it presents conditions that make it unsafe for an international match to proceed, without mitigating circumstances or regularly presents substandard conditions for international cricket.

It was agreed that a system of Demerit Points be introduced, similar to the new Code of Conduct System as per the table below. Demerit points will remain active for a rolling five year period. When a venue accumulates 5 Demerit Points its ICC accreditation will be suspended for a period of 12 months. Should a venue reach 10 points its accreditation will be suspended for 24 months.

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[tr][td]Good [/td][td]Not Applicable [/td][td]Not Applicable [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Average [/td][td]Not Applicable [/td][td]Not Applicable [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Below Average [/td][td]2 Demerit Points [/td][td]1 Demerit Point [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Poor [/td][td]3 Demerit Points [/td][td]2 Demerit Points [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Unfit [/td][td]5 Demerit Points [/td][td]5 Demerit Points [/td][/tr]
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Playing conditions for both the 2017 ICC Champions Trophy and Women’s World Cup were approved and will be available shortly. It was confirmed that both semi-finals and finals would go to a super over in case of a tie.

• Afghanistan Cricket Board’s Ahmad Shah Abdali Regional 4-day Tournament was awarded First Class Status, and by extension, the Shpageeza T20 League was awarded List A status.
• The dates for the ICC Women’s World Twenty20 2020 in Australia were confirmed as 21 February 2020 – 8 March 2020.

Integrity

• The Chief Executives’ Committee authorised ICC management to initiate the process of developing an amendment to the ICC’s Anti-Corruption Code to permit the use of cell phone data extraction equipment. This includes exploring the legal aspects of introducing the technology, exploration of the technology itself and liaising with all interested parties before reverting to the ICC Board with a full proposal for consideration later in 2017.
• An update to the ICC Gender Recognition Policy to ensure it is in line with current scientific thinking was approved.

Other Issues

• The establishment of an ICC Medical Advisory Committee was approved by the ICC. The Committee will consider and advise on sports medicine and sports science issues relating to international cricket and provide input into ICC policies and regulations that have a sports medicine or sports science aspect.
• Both the CEC and the ICC Board received an update from Director Giles Clarke following his recent visit to Pakistan as Chair of the ICC Task Force. The progress that has been made by the Pakistan authorities was presented and a recommendation that Members take the opportunity to send their security experts to Pakistan to view the current situation was made.
• Vikram Limaye, representing the BCCI was welcomed as a new Director to the ICC.

 

[MenInG]

Wow - the pitch one is interesting. So a pitch which spins from day 1 - will the board get a demerit?

 

[Hawkeye]

So, does this mean BCCI "lost"?

They had requested for the vote/decision to be delayed, right?

 

[MenInG]

So, does this mean BCCI "lost"?

They had requested for the vote/decision to be delayed, right?

Yes - looks like its all over!

RIP Big 3

Think these points are important which the ICC is trying to redress

Equity
Good conscience
Common sense and simplicity
Enabling every Member to grow
Revenue generated by Members
Greater transparency
Recognition of interdependency amongst Members, that cricket playing nations each other and the more strong nations the better for the sport

 

[IMMY69]

I am waiting for our Indian friends to join this thread and celebrate the changes

 

[cricketjoshila]

So, does this mean BCCI "lost"?

They had requested for the vote/decision to be delayed, right?

The ICC Board agreed to work collaboratively on the detail of the constitution and model with a view to final sign off at the April Board meeting and submission to the full ICC Council in June. - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-distribution-of-revenue#sthash.qHXh6zRW.dpuf

This is a in principle agreement.It has to pass two more votes in April and the full vote in June.

 

[MenInG]

This is a in principle agreement.It has to pass two more votes in April and the full vote in June.

Ok thanks

 

[Donal Cozzie]

What I find of particular interest is that it seems both Ireland and Afghanistan, both of whom now have First Class domestic cricket, have applied for Full Membership of the ICC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ok thanks

Another thing is i understand that members have been asked to file any changes they want to incorporate till April when the second vote takes place.

 

[MMHS]

So far, only conclusive decision I can see is if an ODI wicket produces 200 per score, you lose 5 points, 3 for 250 & 2 for anything below 300. Similarly, if the out field is large enough to run 4, you are 5 points down, & if batsmen run 2 on pushing in gap, you are 3 points down & if top edges are caught on line, you are two points down.

Welcome to modern cricket - 60 metres boundary with lightning fast out field & absolute flat, shining wickets like a double shaven chin. We should introduce bowling machines in cricket - 2 machines to release pies from both ends & 11 batsmen to bang it out.

 

[Hasan123]

So far, only conclusive decision I can see is if an ODI wicket produces 200 per score, you lose 5 points, 3 for 250 & 2 for anything below 300. Similarly, if the out field is large enough to run 4, you are 5 points down, & if batsmen run 2 on pushing in gap, you are 3 points down & if top edges are caught on line, you are two points down.

Welcome to modern cricket - 60 metres boundary with lightning fast out field & absolute flat, shining wickets like a double shaven chin. We should introduce bowling machines in cricket - 2 machines to release pies from both ends & 11 batsmen to bang it out.

Lol usually I agree with you but I'm thinking the opposite. We may get more contests between bat and ball in Odis.

 

[Convict]

It is perfectly reasonable to give the BCCI more time given that they have no real organisation at the moment.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

While bullying, threats should have no place in ICC discussions (an aspect where I do disagree with BCCI), there is a need for more context in ODIs and Tests, FTP should be streamlined and regulated (within reason).....to cut down BCCI's revenue from $450 million to $290 million when its producing the most revenues is only going to lead to problems in future.

This is going to be a messy saga with both sides trying to take everything when things go in their favour.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Seems like ICC is being run by socialists and BCCI is being made to give its hard earned money to some freeloaders.

 

[shariqnoor]

I know this is a touchy subject but just wanted to get some views on this:

Is it really wrong of a demand from the BCCI that since they provide a majority of the revenues to the ICC, they should also get more revenue from the pool?

Personally, I disagree completely with the Big 3 clique but at least on the revenue sharing point, I can't help but to agree with the BCCI. Ok maybe we can have a debate on the mechanics of the pro-rata distribution but in essence, their point is valid. Zimbabwe and Afghanistan bring absolutely peanuts to the table and if you want Afghanistan and India to receive the same chunk from the ICC pool, it's really unfair isn't it? It's like you at university doing 100% of the report but you mention someone else as part of the report and grant him a 50% contribution effort.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

What I find of particular interest is that it seems both Ireland and Afghanistan, both of whom now have First Class domestic cricket, have applied for Full Membership of the ICC.

I hope Ireland get's FM status. I think the extra funding will used well by Irish administrators as usually corruption is low and usually well qualified people are hired.

 

[Black Zero]

While bullying, threats should have no place in ICC discussions (an aspect where I do disagree with BCCI), there is a need for more context in ODIs and Tests, FTP should be streamlined and regulated (within reason).....to cut down BCCI's revenue from $450 million to $290 million when its producing the most revenues is only going to lead to problems in future.

This is going to be a messy saga with both sides trying to take everything when things go in their favour.

How much revenue ranjhi trophy generates?

Point is that indian people pay indian to play foreign players.if you take out either indian or foreign players, revenue drops.
So calling it only indian revenue is dishonest.

 

[Itachi]

While bullying, threats should have no place in ICC discussions (an aspect where I do disagree with BCCI), there is a need for more context in ODIs and Tests, FTP should be streamlined and regulated (within reason).....to cut down BCCI's revenue from $450 million to $290 million when its producing the most revenues is only going to lead to problems in future.

This is going to be a messy saga with both sides trying to take everything when things go in their favour.

BCCI is fighting two battles at two fronts. SC and ICC.

The only element that could have brought BCCI down is.... BCCI itself (more specifically, a person who knows BCCI inside and out).

In short term, BCCI will lose this battle. But repercussions will be hard (in my opinion) once it has made resolutions with SC and committee is settled.

It'll go ugly.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

How much revenue ranjhi trophy generates?

Point is that indian people pay indian to play foreign players.if you take out either indian or foreign players, revenue drops.
So calling it only indian revenue is dishonest.

That's a very wrong way to look at it.

If BCCI removes salary cap from IPL, brings in a all world 50 over tourney too and removes the permission from country clause, cricket as we know will change 180 degrees.

There are 2 significant sets of people:

BCCI lovers - Who love the power BCCI wields and in a way, want that to remain even if BCCI bullies others.

BCCI haters - Who hate everything about BCCI and are unwilling to look into the actual depth of BCCI power and the implications of what it can do to world cricket.

With these 2 sets of diametrically opposite views, there can be nothing but clashes and ego battles.

As a guy who doesn't get high on BCCI power, let me tell you:

Majority of the people underestimate the depth of how much BCCI can change cricket if they truly develop the WILL to do so. The one way that can change truly is if Indian SC effectively and permanently clip BCCI wings (I am not sure if that would be possible on a permanent basis).

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The right way is for BOTH sides to be non delusional and move forward with proper dialogues and come up with a REASONABLE solution.

Or else, cricket as we know it will be a ticking time bomb.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

BCCI is fighting two battles at two fronts. SC and ICC.

The only element that could have brought BCCI down is.... BCCI itself (more specifically, a person who knows BCCI inside and out).

In short term, BCCI will lose this battle. But repercussions will be hard (in my opinion) once it has made resolutions with SC and committee is settled.

It'll go ugly.

Exactly.

BCCI already is known to hold grudges and if it crawls out of this mess, we will see ridiculousness but in the opposite direction.

 

[Drreddymd]

How much revenue ranjhi trophy generates?

Point is that indian people pay indian to play foreign players.if you take out either indian or foreign players, revenue drops.
So calling it only indian revenue is dishonest.

Thats why world cups in which india eliminated early are disasters for broadcasters right? Indian public want to see india play and not foreigners

 

[HitWicket]

Thats why world cups in which india eliminated early are disasters for broadcasters right? Indian public want to see india play and not foreigners

Disastrous for Indian broadcasters (who usually also happen to be the host broadcaster) perhaps, doubt it makes a huge difference to the others around the world.

 

[JaDed]

I think BCCI should ask ICC what is expected from them? Their revenue should be clipped,IPL participation should be reduced and we should still be thankful to be playing cricket under ICC?

Remarkable how Shashank Manohar has crippled BCCI ,does he owe nothing to the board?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think BCCI should ask ICC what is expected from them? Their revenue should be clipped,IPL participation should be reduced and we should still be thankful to be playing cricket under ICC?

Remarkable how Shashank Manohar has crippled BCCI ,does he owe nothing to the board?

He is doing this to buy votes and stay on as ICC Chairman for long.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Disastrous for Indian broadcasters (who usually also happen to be the host broadcaster) perhaps, doubt it makes a huge difference to the others around the world.

If you are making losses in the market where you expect to make 70%-80% of your revenues means you are making losses.

If India withdraws so will the Indian Sponsors and the value of Tv rights will come down.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI is fighting two battles at two fronts. SC and ICC.

The only element that could have brought BCCI down is.... BCCI itself (more specifically, a person who knows BCCI inside and out).

In short term, BCCI will lose this battle. But repercussions will be hard (in my opinion) once it has made resolutions with SC and committee is settled.

It'll go ugly.

If and when this settles down expect BCCI to go after its enemies.Already deals are being done in state associations where by relatives or cronies of present members will replace them.SC can do nothing then.These administrators will still control the BCCI and they will come after Manohar and ICC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's a very wrong way to look at it.

If BCCI removes salary cap from IPL, brings in a all world 50 over tourney too and removes the permission from country clause, cricket as we know will change 180 degrees.

There are 2 significant sets of people:

BCCI lovers - Who love the power BCCI wields and in a way, want that to remain even if BCCI bullies others.

BCCI haters - Who hate everything about BCCI and are unwilling to look into the actual depth of BCCI power and the implications of what it can do to world cricket.

With these 2 sets of diametrically opposite views, there can be nothing but clashes and ego battles.

As a guy who doesn't get high on BCCI power, let me tell you:

Majority of the people underestimate the depth of how much BCCI can change cricket if they truly develop the WILL to do so. The one way that can change truly is if Indian SC effectively and permanently clip BCCI wings (I am not sure if that would be possible on a permanent basis).

SC cannot clip BCCIs wings permanently.Too many too powerful people involved.The present administrators will be replaced by their cronies.

 

[Syed1]

Seems like ICC is being run by socialists and BCCI is being made to give its hard earned money to some freeloaders.

Have a level playing field where IPL doesn't get a window, then see how much money this cash-cow earns for BCCI.

 

[Black Zero]

Thats why world cups in which india eliminated early are disasters for broadcasters right? Indian public want to see india play and not foreigners

You are raising a point which I already addressed by using the word "either". Let me know if you need help understanding this term.
If india public do not want to see foreigners then prove me wrong by showing how much revenue Ranjhi generates.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Have a level playing field where IPL doesn't get a window, then see how much money this cash-cow earns for BCCI.

Agreed. IPL shouldn't have any window, even unofficial. Let those who are available and allowed participate in the premier league of cricket.

 

[Madplayer]

Exactly.

BCCI already is known to hold grudges and if it crawls out of this mess, we will see ridiculousness but in the opposite direction.

BCCI isnt a person lol

I agree that anyone trying to have an upper hand in this matter will make things worse.

They need to reach a middle ground.

I think the BCCI and other rich boards should be asked to adopt a few associate nation boards for a few years and make sure they are run properly.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

BCCI isnt a person lol

I agree that anyone trying to have an upper hand in this matter will make things worse.

They need to reach a middle ground.

I think the BCCI and other rich boards should be asked to adopt a few associate nation boards for a few years and make sure they are run properly.

BCCI as an entity make decisions and can hold grudges.

 

[LastManstanding]

Disastrous for Indian broadcasters (who usually also happen to be the host broadcaster) perhaps, doubt it makes a huge difference to the others around the world.

And there is a reason why the broadcasters of ICC events are indian. They are able to outbid their competitors and that broadcasting money is what fills ICC coffers.

 

[Madplayer]

BCCI as an entity make decisions and can hold grudges.

Okay. But Administrators change bro.

 

[LastManstanding]

You are raising a point which I already addressed by using the word "either". Let me know if you need help understanding this term.
If india public do not want to see foreigners then prove me wrong by showing how much revenue Ranjhi generates.

Most Indian players don't play in Ranji trophy.

There used to be challengers trophy where three teams comprising of top Indian players used to play in a triangular championship. Those matches were watched by thousands in the stadia and by millions at home on TV.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Okay. But Administrators change bro.

All cut from the same cloth.

If I am not wrong, this Manohar guy himself played a role in India dishing out a green track to Aus in 2004 series just to spite Dalmiya and Ganguly.

 

[Drreddymd]

Disastrous for Indian broadcasters (who usually also happen to be the host broadcaster) perhaps, doubt it makes a huge difference to the others around the world.

U dont seem to understand one thing that they pay to watch h india play and not other teams. If indian team. Is not playing nobody will bid for them

 

[Drreddymd]

You are raising a point which I already addressed by using the word "either". Let me know if you need help understanding this term.
If india public do not want to see foreigners then prove me wrong by showing how much revenue Ranjhi generates.

Why would indian fans see ranji Matches whenthey haveinternational matches to see?

 

[Black Zero]

Most Indian players don't play in Ranji trophy.

There used to be challengers trophy where three teams comprising of top Indian players used to play in a triangular championship. Those matches were watched by thousands in the stadia and by millions at home on TV.

How much revenue generated by those matches?

 

[Black Zero]

Why would indian fans see ranji Matches whem they international matches to see?

Thanks for proving my point!!

 

[Drreddymd]

How much revenue generated by those matches?

Why r u comparing it with ranji? Compare it with ipl? Ipl makes the same Money as the entire icc makes in the same cycle

 

[Drreddymd]

Thanks for proving my point!!

What is u r point actually?

 

[JaDed]

Have a level playing field where IPL doesn't get a window, then see how much money this cash-cow earns for BCCI.

Yes and the salary cap should also be taken off by BCCI ,would be interesting to see how it goes then don't you think,also lets increase it to 3 months and more teams.

 

[JaDed]

BCCI's grudges are pretty cringe worthy right out of some stupid Indian movie,still remember how poor Haroon was treated inspite of actually being decent to BCCI than Malcomn Speed.

 

[Syed1]

Yes and the salary cap should also be taken off by BCCI ,would be interesting to see how it goes then don't you think,also lets increase it to 3 months and more teams.

You can have 25 teams for all I care, but India shouldn't be allowed to hold the entire cricketing world hostage just because they want to play their IPL.

Play IPL five times a year but without an international window.

 

[JaDed]

You can have 25 teams for all I care, but India shouldn't be allowed to hold the entire cricketing world hostage just because they want to play their IPL.

Play IPL five times a year but without an international window.

My point was with respect to the level playing field that you mentioned,so BCCI should agree to a 150 mil cut,and also agree to no IPL window and just be generating revenue for other boards?

 

[Drreddymd]

You can have 25 teams for all I care, but India shouldn't be allowed to hold the entire cricketing world hostage just because they want to play their IPL.

Play IPL five times a year but without an international window.

There is no international window isn't it?

 

[JaDed]

There is no international window isn't it?

But we had somewhat control over FTP which is unfair,that shouldn't be allowed.

 

[Drreddymd]

You can have 25 teams for all I care, but India shouldn't be allowed to hold the entire cricketing world hostage just because they want to play their IPL.

Play IPL five times a year but without an international window.

What is stopping pcb from making ipl level tournament so that u dont need handouts from others

 

[USofA]

Have a level playing field where IPL doesn't get a window, then see how much money this cash-cow earns for BCCI.

There is no window. The unofficial window was created by other boards like NZ, SLC. That happened because of request/protests/near mutiny by their players. Also CA players are coming off their own home season, so no cricket is scheduled for them anyway. All this worked to the advantage of the IPL.

 

[Drreddymd]

But we had somewhat control over FTP which is unfair,that shouldn't be allowed.

Boards are free to play series during ipl. Nobody is forcing the players isnt it

 

[Syed1]

What is stopping pcb from making ipl level tournament so that u dont need handouts from others

Give us international window and we can have IPL level tournament.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You can have 25 teams for all I care, but India shouldn't be allowed to hold the entire cricketing world hostage just because they want to play their IPL.

Play IPL five times a year but without an international window.

The unofficial window is not for the benefit if IPL, it is to help other boards. If not for the window, the foreign players would be going for early retirements so that they can play in the IPL without being held hostage by their good for nothing boards.

 

[Drreddymd]

But we had somewhat control over FTP which is unfair,that shouldn't be allowed.

Unofficial window is due to Incompetence of nzc, sa, wicb because they cannot provide decent wages to their players and players are going to revolt if the board stops them from earning elsewhere. Thats why they made space for their players to earn. Ecb plays cricket during that time and boycotted ipl and no player suffered because the board is able to compensate for their lost ipl earnings

 

[CricketCartoons]

Give us international window and we can have IPL level tournament.

BCCI never asked for a window before creating the IPL. It created a premier and prestigious tournament where foreign players are lining up to get an entry. As they say..khudi ko kar buland itna..

 

[USofA]

You can have 25 teams for all I care, but India shouldn't be allowed to hold the entire cricketing world hostage just because they want to play their IPL.

Play IPL five times a year but without an international window.

Not sure I understand how this is happening. IPL is a league where players play by choice not forced. Also the respective home boards need to give them a no objection certificate. So both the players and the boards are engaging willfully. So not sure where this whole holding hostage is coming from.

 

[Drreddymd]

Give us international window and we can have IPL level tournament.

Who is stopping u from getting international window?

 

[Madplayer]

Boards are free to play series during ipl. Nobody is forcing the players isnt it

Indirectly forcing

 

[USofA]

Indirectly forcing

??? How?

 

[Drreddymd]

Indirectly forcing

Sir it is the players of respective teams and not bcci. Bcci is strict in that it needs noc from home boards

 

[Black Zero]

If other boards do not allow their national players to participate other premier leagues, then I believe those leagues would not be financially successful.

So claiming the sole credit for mutual resources is invalid.

And that's Shankar Manohar said couple of years ago.

It's NOT indian revenue when you rely on foreign teams/players to generate that revenue.

Of course, we are not denying that india deserve more credit in this coordination.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

If other boards do not allow their national players to participate other premier leagues, then I believe those leagues would not be financially successful.

So claiming the sole credit for mutual resources is invalid.

And that's Shankar Manohar said couple of years ago.

It's NOT indian revenue when you rely on foreign teams/players to generate that revenue.

Of course, we are not denying that india deserve more credit in this coordination.

I don't know why this simple point is so hard for people to understand but its spot on.

Nobody denies India makes by far the most cash, but it does this by playing international teams and using international players in the IPL, without this it makes far less money.

I think taking 30% of the BCCI share is a bit excessive, especially when most of it will go to boards who will just waste it instead of the teams that actually need it, but when you consider that that 30% increase came about only 2 years ago in the Big 3 changes I can't really have too much sympathy.

 

[Black Zero]

BCCI never asked for a window before creating the IPL. It created a premier and prestigious tournament where foreign players are lining up to get an entry. As they say..khudi ko kar buland itna..

True

If other boards are denying their cut, they could enforce a policy to not allow their current players to play IPL.

 

[Drreddymd]

If other boards do not allow their national players to participate other premier leagues, then I believe those leagues would not be financially successful.

So claiming the sole credit for mutual resources is invalid.

And that's Shankar Manohar said couple of years ago.

It's NOT indian revenue when you rely on foreign teams/players to generate that revenue.

Of course, we are not denying that india deserve more credit in this coordination.

Sir u have to understand that till now bcci is giving power to the boards by insisting on noc from home boards. If they remove that then players are free lancers and nobody can stop them from joining ipl. If they remove 4 player cap then no good player will be left. It happened with packer and it will happen again if bcci is bullied into submission

 

[Drreddymd]

I don't know why this simple point is so hard for people to understand but its spot on.

Nobody denies India makes by far the most cash, but it does this by playing international teams and using international players in the IPL, without this it makes far less money.

I think taking 30% of the BCCI share is a bit excessive, especially when most of it will go to boards who will just waste it instead of the teams that actually need it, but when you consider that that 30% increase came about only 2 years ago in the Big 3 changes I can't really have too much sympathy.

What if bcci recruits top players like packer and play ipl without foreign player cap? The boards have no monopoly over the players. It is the bcci which is giving power to the boards by requesting noc from them. If they remove it then we can see how the boards can stop players from leaving

 

[CricketCartoons]

True

If other boards are denying their cut, they could enforce a policy to not allow their current players to play IPL.

BZ Comrade bhai, why do you want the cricketers to be slaves to their boards. They leave no option to the player but to retire so that he can have an IPL career.

 

[Drreddymd]

True

If other boards are denying their cut, they could enforce a policy to not allow their current players to play IPL.

They cannot stop players from playing because they can be sued in the court of law for stopping them earn their livelyhood

 

[HitWicket]

They cannot stop players from playing because they can be sued in the court of law for stopping them earn their livelyhood

Fairly sure every nation now has their players on year round central contracts which means they can control whatever cricket they play legally. To remove the NOC requirement the players would have to reject these contracts. I believe the players still need NOCs for a few years after their contract is lost as well but I presume there would be legal grounds there if the NOC was rejected and a player wasn't under contract.

 

[despondent_artist]

Fairly sure every nation now has their players on year round central contracts which means they can control whatever cricket they play legally.

Yeah but players do have the option to retire if they feel they have limited international prospects left & league cricket is more lucrative. What do the boards do then?

 

[Drreddymd]

Fairly sure every nation now has their players on year round central contracts which means they can control whatever cricket they play legally.

No. They cannot if the player terminates his contract and bcci doesnt require noc from home board. What has sa board done to stop players leaving sa

 

[Drreddymd]

Fairly sure every nation now has their players on year round central contracts which means they can control whatever cricket they play legally. To remove the NOC requirement the players would have to reject these contracts. I believe the players still need NOCs for a few years after their contract is lost as well but I presume there would be legal grounds there if the NOC was rejected and a player wasn't under contract.

Abd is willing to retire from test cricket for ipl. Will the sa board stop him doing so?

 

[HitWicket]

No. They cannot if the player terminates his contract and bcci doesnt require noc from home board. What has sa board done to stop players leaving sa

Yes, the crucial part there being if they terminate their contract. For any cricketers other than those from Australia or England you'd assume that'd be a more profitable route if they were ok with ditching their country.

 

[Drreddymd]

Yes, the crucial part there being if they terminate their contract. For any cricketers other than those from Australia or England you'd assume that'd be a more profitable route if they were ok with ditching their country.

Thats why bcci is able to take advantage because most boards other than ecb, acb are broke and r paying pea nuts to their players. Who wants 2 lakh dollar central contract when u yearn millions or more than that amount in 6 weeks

 

[Drreddymd]

Yes, the crucial part there being if they terminate their contract. For any cricketers other than those from Australia or England you'd assume that'd be a more profitable route if they were ok with ditching their country.

England players also resisted and ecb increased their central contract fee to offset that ipl loses for players. Most boards are not in that situation isnt it

 

[USofA]

If other boards do not allow their national players to participate other premier leagues, then I believe those leagues would not be financially successful.

So claiming the sole credit for mutual resources is invalid.

And that's Shankar Manohar said couple of years ago.

It's NOT indian revenue when you rely on foreign teams/players to generate that revenue.

Of course, we are not denying that india deserve more credit in this coordination.

That IF never happens. Because the boards are greedy. They have financial gains from their players playing in the IPL. They get a cut of the players salary. So their selfishness will continue to support the IPL.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

What if bcci recruits top players like packer and play ipl without foreign player cap? The boards have no monopoly over the players. It is the bcci which is giving power to the boards by requesting noc from them. If they remove it then we can see how the boards can stop players from leaving

Well first off virtually none of the major teams play during the IPL as it is, so clashes with the IPL shouldn't occur anyway and its generally accepted the IPL has an unofficial "window" already.

Increasing the foreign player cap wouldn't change much, as it is there are already a tonne of foreigners playing and I can't imagine many more would be selected.

 

[Drreddymd]

Well first off virtually none of the major teams play during the IPL as it is, so clashes with the IPL shouldn't occur anyway and its generally accepted the IPL has an unofficial "window" already.

Increasing the foreign player cap wouldn't change much, as it is there are already a tonne of foreigners playing and I can't imagine many more would be selected.

At present lot of good players are missing out due to that. If there is no cap then then the strength of league increases even more and more players can be recruited as well

 

[Donal Cozzie]

At present lot of good players are missing out due to that. If there is no cap then then the strength of league increases even more and more players can be recruited as well

Except A) Will Indian fans get behind teams who are majority not even Indian and B) what good players miss out really? All the big names get snapped up every year, threr really isn't much more room unless the IPL gets more teams

Also, expanding the foreign cap harms Indian cricket. Talented players get fewer chances due to the foreigners and exposing Indian youngsters and domestic players is arguably the most important aspect of the entire league. Why would they sabotage that so that some more trashy WI mercenaries can get a gig.

 

[Black Zero]

BZ Comrade bhai, why do you want the cricketers to be slaves to their boards. They leave no option to the player but to retire so that he can have an IPL career.

To be totally transparent, I am against this system (ICC, and other member boards) of exploitation where workers (who are labelled as players/heroes or even god) get peanuts comparatively.