ICC Board agrees on revised financial distribution ensuring a more equitable distribution of revenue

[Black Zero]

They cannot stop players from playing because they can be sued in the court of law for stopping them earn their livelyhood

My responses:

1- National Duty
2- Drop

 

[Black Zero]

That IF never happens. Because the boards are greedy. They have financial gains from their players playing in the IPL. They get a cut of the players salary. So their selfishness will continue to support the IPL.

I agree on principle.

But not sure about Never bit.

 

[Drreddymd]

Except A) Will Indian fans get behind teams who are majority not even Indian and B) what good players miss out really? All the big names get snapped up every year, threr really isn't much more room unless the IPL gets more teams

Also, expanding the foreign cap harms Indian cricket. Talented players get fewer chances due to the foreigners and exposing Indian youngsters and domestic players is arguably the most important aspect of the entire league. Why would they sabotage that so that some more trashy WI mercenaries can get a gig.

If india is not playing international cricket then it is the only option and bcci will increase number of teams because the window is short now and if the window is large then automatically new teams will be added
Who wants to see onesided international games if the other teams are not even competing and test cricket is bleeding money and not making money right

 

[Drreddymd]

My responses:

1- National Duty
2- Drop

No they cannot stop any player from playing as he is not contracted to them. Thats why there is a term called freelance player who is not bound to any board

 

[Drreddymd]

I agree on principle.

But not sure about Never bit.

If they do they will lose and not players because u cant stop players retiring and join ipl or other leagues.

 

[BeautifulGame]

Except A) Will Indian fans get behind teams who are majority not even Indian and B) what good players miss out really? All the big names get snapped up every year, threr really isn't much more room unless the IPL gets more teams

Also, expanding the foreign cap harms Indian cricket. Talented players get fewer chances due to the foreigners and exposing Indian youngsters and domestic players is arguably the most important aspect of the entire league. Why would they sabotage that so that some more trashy WI mercenaries can get a gig.

When football fans ilcan get behind their teams in Europe , Indian fans won't have any issue getting behind their teams regardless of who is representing.Lets not forget most of the Indian states /cities have different languages and cultures so there is no need to build any sort of loyalty base.It already exists .

Actually what should be done is not increasing the no of foreign players but increasing the no of teams.Next season will already have 10 teams yet won't have teams from UP and Bihar two of the most populous states in India.Neither does the north eastern region of India or central India.And if we play it on the weekends like EPL the revenue will only explode.It is an ever expanding market.No way international cricket or its revenue can compete with that.

IPL is very much untapped potential because the franchise system is very new to Indian market.

 

[Drreddymd]

People here has to understand that with so many opportunities outside there is no need to be a slave to the board and if they come out of it then the board can do zilch

 

[USofA]

If india is not playing international cricket then it is the only option and bcci will increase number of teams because the window is short now and if the window is large then automatically new teams will be added
Who wants to see onesided international games if the other teams are not even competing and test cricket is bleeding money and not making money right

Actually I believe that starting in 2018 there will be 10 teams with Chennai and Rajastan being added to the current 8.

 

[Drreddymd]

Actually I believe that starting in 2018 there will be 10 teams with Chennai and Rajastan being added to the current 8.

Yes it will. Be 10 teams and there are so Many people waiting to invest in more teams

 

[Black Zero]

No they cannot stop any player from playing as he is not contracted to them. Thats why there is a term called freelance player who is not bound to any board

It's rare for a retired old player or a to be relevant.

 

[Drreddymd]

It's rare for a retired old player or a to be relevant.

It happened with packer and acb came groveling to packer to release star players isnt it

 

[Donal Cozzie]

When football fans ilcan get behind their teams in Europe , Indian fans won't have any issue getting behind their teams regardless of who is representing.Lets not forget most of the Indian states /cities have different languages and cultures so there is no need to build any sort of loyalty base.It already exists .

Actually what should be done is not increasing the no of foreign players but increasing the no of teams.Next season will already have 10 teams yet won't have teams from UP and Bihar two of the most populous states in India.Neither does the north eastern region of India or central India.And if we play it on the weekends like EPL the revenue will only explode.It is an ever expanding market.No way international cricket or its revenue can compete with that.

IPL is very much untapped potential because the franchise system is very new to Indian market.

True, but with the expansion of teams it means matches will need to be more spaced out, teams will have to play more and if not managed carefully it could make the IPL become too long and drawn out. Currently its strength is that it lasts about 6 weeks IIRC.

Plus if the IPL becomes longer player wages will need to rise to reflect that as they'll need to give up more time, which may cause financial issues.

Ultimately the IPL expanding wont cause too much of an issue because the main international teams will simply not play during it, Its the other leagues which clash directly with other teams international seasons that are an issue IMO.

Also, if the IPL expands to lets say 14-16 teams it'll need to be divided into groups I reckon, else it'll go on for ages and have an insane number of games (too much IMO, could oversaturate it if not careful) meaning it becomes shorter again and has less impact on international calendar.

Thing with this is, players will follow the money yes, but people grow up dreaming of lifting the WC or playing for their nation, they don't grow up dreaming of playing for the Rising Pune Supergiants. So both sides need to be sensible here

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol at BCCI removing the IPL salary cap to threaten ICC. It will go the ICL way. BCCI is not feeding an average cricketer playing county cricket in England or Australia. How many of them actually play in IPL? 10? 12? Just try it and see what happens.

 

[Drreddymd]

True, but with the expansion of teams it means matches will need to be more spaced out, teams will have to play more and if not managed carefully it could make the IPL become too long and drawn out. Currently its strength is that it lasts about 6 weeks IIRC.

Plus if the IPL becomes longer player wages will need to rise to reflect that as they'll need to give up more time, which may cause financial issues.

Ultimately the IPL expanding wont cause too much of an issue because the main international teams will simply not play during it, Its the other leagues which clash directly with other teams international seasons that are an issue IMO.

Also, if the IPL expands to lets say 14-16 teams it'll need to be divided into groups I reckon, else it'll go on for ages and have an insane number of games (too much IMO, could oversaturate it if not careful) meaning it becomes shorter again and has less impact on international calendar.

Thing with this is, players will follow the money yes, but people grow up dreaming of lifting the WC or playing for their nation, they don't grow up dreaming of playing for the Rising Pune Supergiants. So both sides need to be sensible here

We r talking about extreme scenarios here like if bcci is expelled from icc or bcci gets away on its own

 

[Drreddymd]

Lol at BCCI removing the IPL salary cap to threaten ICC. It will go the ICL way. BCCI is not feeding an average cricketer playing county cricket in England or Australia. How many of them actually play in IPL? 10? 12? Just try it and see what happens.

If bcci is out of icc then that will happen if u like it or not. Players are leaving for lakhs and not millions like sa players and sa cannot do zilch because they dont have any bargaining potential because u r paying peanuts any way

 

[Black Zero]

It happened with packer and acb came groveling to packer to release star players isnt it

Sadly, now boards have learnt a lot and plugged those gaps (ICL etc.)

 

[Drreddymd]

Lol at BCCI removing the IPL salary cap to threaten ICC. It will go the ICL way. BCCI is not feeding an average cricketer playing county cricket in England or Australia. How many of them actually play in IPL? 10? 12? Just try it and see what happens.

Bcci needs to poach best criketers and not also rans because it weakens the team like packer did and if u want natio al team of crap second rung players then it is upto fans like u to save thr team

 

[Drreddymd]

Sadly, now boards have learnt a lot and plugged those gaps (ICL etc.)

No. Because boards are in even worse state than before and previously players have no other option other than national team. How can u control players by paying them peanuts

 

[Drreddymd]

Sadly, now boards have learnt a lot and plugged those gaps (ICL etc.)

Boards like acb learnt about it and increased players salaries from not happening again but 7 other boards besides bcci, acb, ecb are in dire straights and paying peanuts, suffering from quota discrimination s, not playing at home, players openly revolting against wcb

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bcci needs to poach best criketers and not also rans because it weakens the team like packer did and if u want natio al team of crap second rung players then it is upto fans like u to save thr team

Lol have you even studied the business model of other established leagues like EPL, NBA, NFL? You will have to organise that Pyjama League for 8-10 months this will not only kill the interest of burger fans but foreigners will also stay away from this. You actually want to threaten ICC by using their own players who are contracted with their member boards? Just try it. It won't last for 2 seasons.

 

[BeautifulGame]

True, but with the expansion of teams it means matches will need to be more spaced out, teams will have to play more and if not managed carefully it could make the IPL become too long and drawn out. Currently its strength is that it lasts about 6 weeks IIRC.

Plus if the IPL becomes longer player wages will need to rise to reflect that as they'll need to give up more time, which may cause financial issues.

Ultimately the IPL expanding wont cause too much of an issue because the main international teams will simply not play during it, Its the other leagues which clash directly with other teams international seasons that are an issue IMO.

Also, if the IPL expands to lets say 14-16 teams it'll need to be divided into groups I reckon, else it'll go on for ages and have an insane number of games (too much IMO, could oversaturate it if not careful) meaning it becomes shorter again and has less impact on international calendar.

Thing with this is, players will follow the money yes, but people grow up dreaming of lifting the WC or playing for their nation, they don't grow up dreaming of playing for the Rising Pune Supergiants. So both sides need to be sensible here

We don't have a single year long sporting league like European countries or USA.India as a country is starved for entertainment.We basically have watching movies or just TV one weekend in general.

With a rapidly growing middle class and fast growing economy, it's not unrealistic to have IPL as a six month tournament with 14-16 teams representing them.

For the point regarding the need of international stars or oversaturation I will provide a sample.This year for the first time In Tamil Nadu(where the city Chennai is ) started a state level IPl like tournament this year.Its basically like Inter district tournament like say between regions within Melbourne.

It attracted nearly 44 million viewerships (if am not mistaken ) nearly 10 mil more than big bash .And it didn't have a single national player let alone international player .As I earlier said the untapped potential for franchise cricket in India is huge as we don't have a single one.So oversaturation is never in the picture.

This may not happen soon but 5-10 (at most) IPL will get the priority over international cricket in India just like most sports in Europe and USA.That is the natural progression for cricket in India because of the money in it imo

When the money increases I don't see any issue in paying wages for four months or six months .One real hurdle will be willingness of foreign players (England or Australia ) in first world countries to stay for that long in India .

 

[Drreddymd]

Lol have you even studied the business model of other established leagues like EPL, NBA, NFL? You will have to organise that Pyjama League for 8-10 months this will not only kill the interest of burger fans but foreigners will also stay away from this. You actually want to threaten ICC by using their own players who are contracted with their member boards? Just try it. It won't last for 2 seasons.

It needs to last 2 seasons because in that that period most boards suffer massively as they are bankrupt already after which they come groveling back to bcci because u r useless players with dying test cricket will not feed their stomachs. Its all fine to be a traditionalist if u r board has money to subsidise test cricket from the same pyjama leagues which make u most money and not when u cannot pay u r players proper salaries and expect them to be slaves with slave wages un the present world of opportunities

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It needs to last 2 seasons because in that that period most boards suffer massively as they are bankrupt already after which they come groveling back to bcci because u r useless players with dying test cricket will not feed their stomachs. Its all fine to be a traditionalist if u r board has money to subsidise test cricket from the same pyjama leagues which make u most money and not when u cannot pay u r players proper salaries and expect them to be slaves with slave wages un the present world of opportunities

If that's the case then what is BCCI waiting for? Just remove the salary cap and teach ICC and other boards a lesson.

 

[Drreddymd]

Lol have you even studied the business model of other established leagues like EPL, NBA, NFL? You will have to organise that Pyjama League for 8-10 months this will not only kill the interest of burger fans but foreigners will also stay away from this. You actually want to threaten ICC by using their own players who are contracted with their member boards? Just try it. It won't last for 2 seasons.

If icc is so lotent and spine full let all the members take a stand and throw bcci out and we will see what willHappen.

Players are not slaves and u cannot control them by paying peanuts.

U have to remember icc is surviving on bcci money and if the golden goose is lost what will the icc do with already bankrupt boards? Do what they did previously by playing nonstop ashes which will be only profitable series and no world beating wi to play as well

 

[Black Zero]

It needs to last 2 seasons because in that that period most boards suffer massively as they are bankrupt already after which they come groveling back to bcci because u r useless players with dying test cricket will not feed their stomachs. Its all fine to be a traditionalist if u r board has money to subsidise test cricket from the same pyjama leagues which make u most money and not when u cannot pay u r players proper salaries and expect them to be slaves with slave wages un the present world of opportunities

Look at Saudi Arabia's failed policy of lowering the price of crude oil to crush the competition.

Other boards will evolve or unite ...

One needs to understand that it's a very small ecosystem, everyone is dependent on others.
Maybe, once cricket reaches to 25/30 top international teams, then this inter dependency will be less relevant.

 

[Drreddymd]

If that's the case then what is BCCI waiting for? Just remove the salary cap and teach ICC and other boards a lesson.

It will if it doesn't get what it wanted? Why it has to do it early if it can get the things done by icc isnt it?

 

[Drreddymd]

If that's the case then what is BCCI waiting for? Just remove the salary cap and teach ICC and other boards a lesson.

Lets wait untill icc does its thing and come back when bcci sits idle

 

[Black Zero]

If icc is so lotent and spine full let all the members take a stand and throw bcci out and we will see what willHappen.

Players are not slaves and u cannot control them by paying peanuts.

U have to remember icc is surviving on bcci money and if the golden goose is lost what will the icc do with already bankrupt boards? Do what they did previously by playing nonstop ashes which will be only profitable series and no world beating wi to play as well

It's not BCCI's money so ICC is surviving on its own money.
If it is BCCI's money then BCCI should sue ICC.

 

[HitWicket]

Do what they did previously by playing nonstop ashes which will be only profitable series and no world beating wi to play as well

When did they do this again?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It will if it doesn't get what it wanted? Why it has to do it early if it can get the things done by icc isnt it?

No bro we should teach ICC a lesson now so that in future also we get what we want. May be we should get things even before we ask for them. Now is the time for BCCI brother. Let's do it.

 

[Drreddymd]

Look at Saudi Arabia's failed policy of lowering the price of crude oil to crush the competition.

Other boards will evolve or unite ...

One needs to understand that it's a very small ecosystem, everyone is dependent on others.
Maybe, once cricket reaches to 25/30 top international teams, then this inter dependency will be less relevant.

Bcci is increasing the salaries and not decreasing salaries to crush competition.

If the players are getting peanuts from corrupt boards will the players sit idle and enjoy when other players are getting millions?

If u think that scenario is going to happen then u r living in ideal world and not real world

 

[Drreddymd]

It's not BCCI's money so ICC is surviving on its own money.
If it is BCCI's money then BCCI should sue ICC.

It is bcci money because indian team represents bcci and not indian govt and tv channels pay money to show bcci team play.

 

[Drreddymd]

No bro we should teach ICC a lesson now so that in future also we get what we want. May be we should get things even before we ask for them. Now is the time for BCCI brother. Let's do it.

May be u do it like that but bcci is not stupid to do what u say because it knows how to get things done

 

[Drreddymd]

No bro we should teach ICC a lesson now so that in future also we get what we want. May be we should get things even before we ask for them. Now is the time for BCCI brother. Let's do it.

It is the opposite right? Icc is wanting to teach bcci a lesson and bcci is keeping its cards close to its chest and open them when necessary

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

May be u do it like that but bcci is not stupid to do what u say because it knows how to get things done

Are you confused bro? You are quoting the same post twice. Waise I wasn't the one who was threatening to remove the salary cap. Find the guy who gave this stupid idea.

 

[Drreddymd]

It's not BCCI's money so ICC is surviving on its own money.
If it is BCCI's money then BCCI should sue ICC.

When dalmia was elected icc president the icc coffers are negative and dalmia made them positive with the tv money from first icc champions trophy in dhaka. So icc was some cash cow before is foolish to say. It got what it is now due to indian tv money

 

[Drreddymd]

Are you confused bro? You are quoting the same post twice. Waise I wasn't the one who was threatening to remove the salary cap. Find the guy who gave this stupid idea.

He is threatening because icc wants to teach bcci a lesson isnt it

 

[Drreddymd]

When did they do this again?

Thats what they did by playing nonstop ashes, wi tours and throwing crumbs ti bcci, nz, pak and having veto rights.
They bought nothing to icc in the form of money and india has to pay participation fee to ecb and acb inorder to play them

 

[Donal Cozzie]

We don't have a single year long sporting league like European countries or USA.India as a country is starved for entertainment.We basically have watching movies or just TV one weekend in general.

With a rapidly growing middle class and fast growing economy, it's not unrealistic to have IPL as a six month tournament with 14-16 teams representing them.

For the point regarding the need of international stars or oversaturation I will provide a sample.This year for the first time In Tamil Nadu(where the city Chennai is ) started a state level IPl like tournament this year.Its basically like Inter district tournament like say between regions within Melbourne.

It attracted nearly 44 million viewerships (if am not mistaken ) nearly 10 mil more than big bash .And it didn't have a single national player let alone international player .As I earlier said the untapped potential for franchise cricket in India is huge as we don't have a single one.So oversaturation is never in the picture.

This may not happen soon but 5-10 (at most) IPL will get the priority over international cricket in India just like most sports in Europe and USA.That is the natural progression for cricket in India because of the money in it imo

When the money increases I don't see any issue in paying wages for four months or six months .One real hurdle will be willingness of foreign players (England or Australia ) in first world countries to stay for that long in India .

But 6 months is a hella long time, and it can have two formats.

Lets say its 16 teams. You can have two fixture systems.

1) Keep it as it is now, with teams basically playing constantly. This would be an insane amount of cricket and no way could it last as the players would be exhausted and the fans would be sick of seeing the same matches constantly.

2) Do it like English football, play on weekends, occasional midweek fixtures. This would have problems as A) any team that struggles at first will have nothing to play for for 3 months. A league of 16 teams with lets say the top 6 going through means a minimum of 3 teams (potentially 6 or more if the top 6-8 sides create a big gap between the rest) will have the final half of the season with absolutely nothing to play for as they won't be able to qualify. If they keep it to Top 4 only like in the Premier League where the top 4 get European football, it gets even worse. Unless they introduce relegation or something the league becomes a bore for lots of teams and fans, and an environment where games have nothing at stake competition wise just breeds potential match fixing.

16 teams = 30 matches per team if you do it on a home and away basis. If you have lets say 20 weekend fixture sets and 10 midweek ones thats a minimum of 20 weeks required just for the group stage, add another week or two for knock outs. Considering the size of India and amount of travel needed I think this is realistic, could be wrong.

If they split it into two groups of 8 well then they're basically doubling the number of teams but each team plays the same number of games, while adding 8 new teams would boost audiences I'd imagine the vast majority of Indian cricket fans in Bihar,UP, unrepresented states and cities watch the IPL anyway, so they'd be doubling the teams for a small-medium increase in money, and splitting the money with 16 teams now instead of 8, which would mean that some IPL franchises would lose money no than if it just stayed at 8 teams? Throw in the need to pay a minimum of twice as much for foreign and local players than current rates and I'd imagine this would have some form of negative impact financially. Also the accommodation costs (5 star hotels and the likes) would explode due to the longer length

Also wouldn't this impact on India's other domestic tourney's??

 

[HitWicket]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] can you please post the table here that shows the revenue each country makes under both models? Thanks.

You looking for this one?

 

[Donal Cozzie]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] can you please post the table here that shows the revenue each country makes under both models? Thanks.

Big 3 model

New model (not sure how accurate this is)

 

[Donal Cozzie]

I will concede to the Indian posters that Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka etc getting 300% more money is a joke, this money should go to the new teams and boards that will actually manage it correctly.

 

[Drreddymd]

You looking for this one?

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A single tour of india will make more than the raise by icc u get in 8 yrs. For 3 million a year u want to antagonize bcci and lose u r revenues from regular tours because according to new rules 1 test makes a series and india will play 1 test against sa, wi, nz which r already depending on indian tours

 

[cricketjoshila]

Have a level playing field where IPL doesn't get a window, then see how much money this cash-cow earns for BCCI.

What IPL window?LOL.

You want SA AuS NZ to start playing at home in April May?On frozen grounds?

English Summer for International cricket starts in May 2nd week.And they play in the last weeks of IPL so English Players and the team touring England dont play in Last couple of weeks of IPL.

Pakistan and ZIM dont matter much for IPL.

That leaves Lanka BD WI.BD has played matches during IPL.

So what Window?

Try again.

 

[cricketjoshila]

A single tour of india will make more than the raise by icc u get in 8 yrs. For 3 million a year u want to antagonize bcci and lose u r revenues from regular tours because according to new rules 1 test makes a series and india will play 1 test against sa, wi, nz which r already depending on indian tours

Just an eg. NZC made 35mn USD in profits the last time India tour them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sadly, now boards have learnt a lot and plugged those gaps (ICL etc.)

ICL was crushed due to BCCI.Who will crush IPL?

The next cycle of Tv rights for IPL are estimated to be worth 3 to 3.5bn.Three times of what its making at present and more than the 2.5bn ICC will distribute as revenue from 2015 to 2023.

Add to that other sponsorships and the amount will be close to 4 to 4.5bn

Now imagine BCCI is expelled from ICC.BCCI makes IPL a 3 month long tournament.Salary cap is removed.Any idea how much money will be offered to players?

SA players are already leaving SA to becomd KolPaks for 100k£ dealz.Here offers will be in excess of million dollars.

All this when ICC revenues will be down by 60-70% and all other boards will be losing money due to India not touring.

In 2013 CSA lost 20mn Rands because India reduced the number of matches from 5 Odis 2 T20s and 3 Tests to 3 Odis and 2 tests.

The ICC is banking on the hope that the BCCI is in disarray and wont be able to.rally votes.

 

[Drreddymd]

ICL was crushed due to BCCI.Who will crush IPL?

The next cycle of Tv rights for IPL are estimated to be worth 3 to 3.5bn.Three times of what its making at present and more than the 2.5bn ICC will distribute as revenue from 2015 to 2023.

Add to that other sponsorships and the amount will be close to 4 to 4.5bn

Now imagine BCCI is expelled from ICC.BCCI makes IPL a 3 month long tournament.Salary cap is removed.Any idea how much money will be offered to players?

SA players are already leaving SA to becomd KolPaks for 100k£ dealz.Here offers will be in excess of million dollars.

All this when ICC revenues will be down by 60-70% and all other boards will be losing money due to India not touring.

In 2013 CSA lost 20mn Rands because India reduced the number of matches from 5 Odis 2 T20s and 3 Tests to 3 Odis and 2 tests.

The ICC is banking on the hope that the BCCI is in disarray and wont be able to.rally votes.

Joshila bhai it is 200 million rands amounting to 20 million usd that sa lost due to shortened tour. If u lose the tour altogether it is 40 milloin usd

 

[HitWicket]

Just an eg. NZC made 35mn USD in profits the last time India tour them.

NZC have a published revenue of just under $46mn NZD (just under $34mn USD) for the entire 2013/14 season (not just the India tour) and operated at a loss for the year, so I'd be interested in hearing how they made $35mn USD worth of profit...

 

[USofA]

Getting back to the topic, nothing is finalized yet. These are just proposals that have been agreed upon (by some). It still needs to go through a two votes in the next 5 months. That is a lot of time for minds to changes, deals to be made.

I do not see this going through. Perhaps there needs to be a poll on whether PPers believe this will go through the final vote in June.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Getting back to the topic, nothing is finalized yet. These are just proposals that have been agreed upon (by some). It still needs to go through a two votes in the next 5 months. That is a lot of time for minds to changes, deals to be made.

I do not see this going through. Perhaps there needs to be a poll on whether PPers believe this will go through the final vote in June.

From my perspective the financial changes aren't too important for me. If the structural changes go through its the big deal, as with more fixtures comes more money anyway

 

[Shutdown Corner]

NZC have a published revenue of just under $46mn NZD (just under $34mn USD) for the entire 2013/14 season (not just the India tour) and operated at a loss for the year, so I'd be interested in hearing how they made $35mn USD worth of profit...

I think CJ has a habit of pulling out random facts Trump style. I still remember him swearing to Jah that Dale Steyn was going to sit out of the 2015 Bangladesh tour as if he's bffs with him.

I'll bet the BCCI consults with him on how to make their policies as self serving and asanine as possible as even they are second to one in that business.

 

[BeautifulGame]

NZC have a published revenue of just under $46mn NZD (just under $34mn USD) for the entire 2013/14 season (not just the India tour) and operated at a loss for the year, so I'd be interested in hearing how they made $35mn USD worth of profit...

NZC chief executive David White has confirmed to 'Fairfax Media' "that broadcast rights for the present Indian tour were worth more than the then record $25m that NZC banked from the Indians' last visit here in 2009. He would not provide a figure but knowledgeable sources told Fairfax it is more than $35 million."


"That also surpasses the $25 million profit reaped by the New Zealand Rugby Union for all revenues including broadcasting, attendance and sponsorship from the 2005 British and Irish Lions tour and makes the NZC deal the biggest broadcast windfall ever achieved by a national sport organisation."

Source

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think CJ has a habit of pulling out random facts Trump style. I still remember him swearing to Jah that Dale Steyn was going to sit out of the 2015 Bangladesh tour as if he's bffs with him.

I'll bet the BCCI consults with him on how to make their policies as self serving and asanine as possible as even they are second to one in that business.

Dont talk rubbish about people you dont know.I mentioned the exact figure as quoted by media.

Never on this forum have i mentioned a fact about BCCI or anything related to it and been wrong.

Whats BCCIs relation with me is not your concern.

 

[Junaids]

A single tour of india will make more than the raise by icc u get in 8 yrs. For 3 million a year u want to antagonize bcci and lose u r revenues from regular tours because according to new rules 1 test makes a series and india will play 1 test against sa, wi, nz which r already depending on indian tours

Except the new scheduling requires India (and everyone else) to tour every other country every four years anyway.

So unless India is going to visit somewhere TWICE in a four year cycle, they have no more financial inducements to make!

 

[BeautifulGame]

Except the new scheduling requires India (and everyone else) to tour every other country every four years anyway.

So unless India is going to visit somewhere TWICE in a four year cycle, they have no more financial inducements to make!

For one test.India can simply decide just one off test and send random C team for these mandatory for that so called obligation.Which no one will be interested.

And ensure bigger series which will have financial rewards outside of ftp .Infact BCCI have more financial inducements to make because ICC reduced the minimum test match series requirements to just one off tests .

And these things if it is actually passed in the first.Vonsidering ICC currently don't have the votes ,these scenarios are pretty moot for now.

 

[cricketjoshila]

For one test.India can simply decide just one off test and send random C team for these mandatory for that so called obligation.Which no one will be interested.

And ensure bigger series which will have financial rewards outside of ftp .Infact BCCI have more financial inducements to make because ICC reduced the minimum test match series requirements to just one off tests .

And these things if it is actually passed in the first.Vonsidering ICC currently don't have the votes ,these scenarios are pretty moot for now.

Lets say even its passed because of BCCIs current state.Come July the new administration comes and says we are not agreeing to this we are walking away all you can do is dock points.Do it we dont care,we can still financially ruin the ICC and most other boards.

 

[cricketjoshila]

NZC chief executive David White has confirmed to 'Fairfax Media' "that broadcast rights for the present Indian tour were worth more than the then record $25m that NZC banked from the Indians' last visit here in 2009. He would not provide a figure but knowledgeable sources told Fairfax it is more than $35 million."


"That also surpasses the $25 million profit reaped by the New Zealand Rugby Union for all revenues including broadcasting, attendance and sponsorship from the 2005 British and Irish Lions tour and makes the NZC deal the biggest broadcast windfall ever achieved by a national sport organisation."

Source

But But But according to [MENTION=136334]Shutdown Corner[/MENTION] i made up that figure.May be David White works for me.

 

[JattMaula]

So cricket is saved now?

Evil and arrogant and rich BCCI is vanquished(slightly) and poor, neglected and hard-working are awarded justly.

 

[R0H1T]

But But But according to [MENTION=136334]Shutdown Corner[/MENTION] i made up that figure.May be David White works for me.

The incompetence of ICC & a number of other boards is astonishing, that it doesn't matter to a large number of posters on this board is also not a surprise.

Donnal is right about the number of games, for lesser teams, ICC must ensure so that they get better over time. They haven't proposed anything in that regard AFAIK, what about England poaching Irish/SA players? Anyone take notice of that, obviously not since the evil BCCI isn't involved?

All they want is more Indian $ (not BCCI money but ours) & they don't really care if Kenya, Zim, Ireland, Bangladesh get better in the future. Srini obviously was stupid enough to side with the ECB/CA since they gained the most from last rejig, Manohar is even more stupid since he wants someone at the BCCI to be taught a lesson. The ECB/CA don't lose much anyway, what the BCCI can do is to make sure that the ICC & other boards know there's this big one, the big 3 was always a farce since ECB/CA were riding on BCCI's coat tails. I say BCCI should tell these 2 & the ICC to take a hike, alternatively cut their proceeds in proportion of what cuts BCCI is being given.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Dont talk rubbish about people you dont know.I mentioned the exact figure as quoted by media.

Never on this forum have i mentioned a fact about BCCI or anything related to it and been wrong.

Whats BCCIs relation with me is not your concern.

First of all that was a facetious post. I'm sorry your grasp of sarcasm isn't as comprehensive as your devotion to excessive bombastacism. You've clearly been reared in an environment devoid of both critical thought processes and manners. Fortunately, you can learn both by just observing me if you're an astute enough pupil.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

But But But according to [MENTION=136334]Shutdown Corner[/MENTION] i made up that figure.May be David White works for me.

$35 million USD is 80% of ICC revenue?

Thats New Zealand, the smallest market in the world. If India pulls similar percentages in Australia, England, or at world cups, you might have a point.

 

[R0H1T]

$35 million USD is 80% of ICC revenue?

Thats New Zealand, the smallest market in the world. If India pulls similar percentages in Australia, England, or at world cups, you might have a point.

Now you're just being facetious, why don't you check the ECB, CSA, SLC, CA financial statements to measure how much Indian $ they gain from hosting us? Of course that won't fit the narrative of users on this board ~ if it's less than 80% they'll say screw BCCI we don't need them, if it's more they'd be like screw'em they're too greedy (or big headed) for their own good.

 

[Drreddymd]

For one test.India can simply decide just one off test and send random C team for these mandatory for that so called obligation.Which no one will be interested.

And ensure bigger series which will have financial rewards outside of ftp .Infact BCCI have more financial inducements to make because ICC reduced the minimum test match series requirements to just one off tests .

And these things if it is actually passed in the first.Vonsidering ICC currently don't have the votes ,these scenarios are pretty moot for now.

Absolutely. India will play a bare minimum of 1 test and icc can't do zilch

 

[Drreddymd]

$35 million USD is 80% of ICC revenue?

Thats New Zealand, the smallest market in the world. If India pulls similar percentages in Australia, England, or at world cups, you might have a point.

So u want to lose 35 million u get at once for a rise in 25 million u get in 8 yrs?

We r talking about the increase in revenue due to new rules and not icc pay as a whole. Please read before sprouting rubbish

 

[aniket1911]

[Hypothetical]

Wandering around the unhinged ideas by some of the posters above, if BCCI is excommunicated by ICC - what's stopping them from forming a parallel international cricket body. I know this for a fact that SL, WI, ZIM will side with BCCI and possibly NZ & BF too. We will call it RICC - real international cricket council just for the chutzpah.

[/hypothetical]

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Now you're just being facetious, why don't you check the ECB, CSA, SLC, CA financial statements to measure how much Indian $ they gain from hosting us? Of course that won't fit the narrative of users on this board ~ if it's less than 80% they'll say screw BCCI we don't need them, if it's more they'd be like screw'em they're too greedy (or big headed) for their own good.

If you post the links to ECB and CA financial statements - if they are even publically available that is - I'd be happy to see if your numbers add up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect if you had the statements you'd have linked them by now to prove me wrong.

Burden of proof lies on the one who first mentions the subject. In that case Srinivasan brought it up first in 2014 and joshila in this thread cited 80%. Either way an indian brought it up first, therefore the burden lies with an Indian. Dont care if its Srini or CJ, anyone will do.

I've said it before, I have no issues believing BCCI brings in the most dough, and that it also deserves the lions share of the revenue. I just don't think its probably closer to 65%...just my guess.

Difference is I will admit I'm speculating, but Indians will just quote 80% as if some self evident truth. I'm happy to concede if you can bring credible evidence.

 

[HitWicket]

If you post the links to ECB and CA financial statements - if they are even publically available that is - I'd be happy to see if your numbers add up.

After checking the NZ financial statements and finding that the year India toured coincided with the biggest losses for NZC this decade despite claims that it would be 'propping NZ up for years to come' I think I'll probably have a go at looking at the others later today.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

OK, I have dug something up from the 2015-16 ECB financials. I am not a finance guy, so my understanding may be mistaken, but this is what I got from it.

It says they generated 130M £, and that was 40M £ less than an India touring year. So when India toured they generated 170M. So that means India generates almost 25% of England's revenue.

They generated 35M for NZ (which currency was that???), so looks like any country they tour, India will always generate a constant 35-40M.

So now what you have to compare is how much money does an England tour make for India.

Assuming England generates half what India does, gives a figure of of 20M. That would mean India has a +20M revenue advantage over England.

How to calculate India's total contribution is something that is beyond me at this point. Maybe the PP accountants can help me out.

 

[Drreddymd]

After checking the NZ financial statements and finding that the year India toured coincided with the biggest losses for NZC this decade despite claims that it would be 'propping NZ up for years to come' I think I'll probably have a go at looking at the others later today.

U r still foolishly clinging on to u r claims when other poster has posted what the board chairman of nz said that nz tour of india is the best money making one in the history of nz sport and not only cricket

 

[HitWicket]

U r still foolishly clinging on to u r claims when other poster has posted what the board chairman of nz said that nz tour of india is the best money making one in the history of nz sport and not only cricket

Quote vs Official financial statement, wonder which I'll take.

 

[Drreddymd]

Quote vs Official financial statement, wonder which I'll take.

I dont know how to quote the article here but if u want to read then search for headline "how nz cricket want to make money in stuff. Co. Nz site where it shows nz board pocketed more than 35 million from indian tour

Also search nz cricket board in wikipedia under section funding. U will see the statements of chairman justin vaughan who said indian tour makes more money than other tours and it is greater than what icc gives during world cup which is 20 million dollars