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ICC Chairman and Chief Executive to visit Lahore next week

Lahore, 28 May 2023:

ICC Chairman Greg Barclay and Chief Executive Geoff Allardice will arrive in Lahore on Tuesday morning on a two-day visit, during which they will meet Chair of the PCB Management Committee Mr Najam Sethi (also an ICC Director), PCB Chief Operating Officer Barrister Salman Naseer and other board officials.

While Mr Allardice has regularly visited Pakistan, first as ICC General Manager – Cricket and then as ICC Chief Executive, this will be Mr Barclay’s first visit to Pakistan.

Mr Barclay will be the first ICC Chairman to tour Pakistan since ICC President Ray Mali’s visit in 2008. This will also be the first time since October 2004 when both the top two ICC officials will together visit the Pakistan cricket headquarters.
 
So what exactly is PCB expecting from these visits? Some vote of sympathy on the World Cup issue?

I am sure Sethi will try to make him say something about cricket in Pakistan.
 
I am assuming this visit is related to Worldcup assurance, otherwise i see no other reason at this time. There is lot of money involved. PCB will bow
down in the end:ravi
 
I am assuming this visit is related to Worldcup assurance, otherwise i see no other reason at this time. There is lot of money involved. PCB will bow
down in the end:ravi

Correct

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The ICC chairman Greg Barclay and CEO Geoff Allardice will be meeting Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Najam Sethi at board's Lahore headquarters to discuss the issues related to their national team's participation in the ODI World Cup in India, starting October 5. The ICC head honchos apart from Sethi will also meet PCB's COO Barrister Salman Naseer and other senior board officials. As of now, Sethi has maintained PCB's stand that if India don't come to Pakistan for the Asia Cup, they will also demand that their games are played in Bangladesh.

Barclay and Allardice will like to get a clearer picture and also break the deadlock with regards to the issue as an India versus Pakistan game in Dhaka will be a very bad advertisement not only for BCCI but also for global body.

The PCB insider claimed that Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and even Nepal have all conveyed to Shah they have no issues playing a few games in Pakistan while the rest of the event should be held in Sri Lanka in September.

NDTV
 
I wonder if this guy will make a same trip to India when we will be hosting champions trophy.
 
I wonder if this guy will make a same trip to India when we will be hosting champions trophy.

The way it works is

1. He will make some favourable statement when in Lahore
2. He will deny he made that statement once out of Pakistan

Life goes on.
 
Some more leaks on what could be discussed (from a news report):

Well-placed sources within the board told The News that besides other issues confronting the game of cricket, the matter relating to the proposed financial distribution model is also expected to come under discussion during ICC top officials' two-day visit to Pakistan.

According to the proposed financial model, Pakistan is expected to get around 5.75% with India a whopping share of 38.5%. England (6.89%) and Australia (6.25%) are other top recipients of ICC finances for 2024-27, according to an estimate.

Pakistan’s contention has been that its players' ICC ranking, especially in the white-ball format, is the best.

“Our cricketers are leading the ranking in white-ball format. Pakistan is the No 2 team in ODI and No 3 in T20. How come we receive less amount. What the PCB wants to know is which criteria have been followed for such a proposed model,” an official said.

"The discussion on October World Cup is also expected to take place. Pakistan’s stance is very clear — participation in World Cup to be held in India largely depends on permission from the government of Pakistan. However, the option of playing at a neutral venue cannot be ruled out,” the official said.

When asked about the expected official ACC announcement on the Asia Cup, the source said that could well be made anytime now.

"ICC has nothing to do with it,” the source added.
 
During a virtual press conference on Monday, ICC General Manager, Wasim Khan, revealed that the visit would be focused around Pakistan’s participation in the upcoming 2023 World Cup in India.

"That's something that's obviously ongoing at the moment"

The former CEO of the PCB, Khan emphasized that the ultimate decision regarding Pakistan's involvement in the tournament rested with both countries involved, as well as the ICC's hierarchy. He suggested that the relevant parties should engage in productive discussions and reach conclusive outcomes.

"Geoff Allardice, our CEO, and Greg are in Pakistan at the moment discussing a number of areas with the PCB hierarchy.

"But that's certainly up to the two countries and the hierarchy within the ICC to discuss them and come to some conclusions"
 
Good chance for Pakistan to negotiate the deal.

Don’t make any fuss and rona dhona of any sort.

Simply ask the $35 mill to be made $100 mill guaranteed, and Pak will play in India with presidential level security.
 
They have arrived

ICC Chairman Greg Barclay and Chief Executive Geoff Allardice arrive at Lahore Airport

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With the WC just 4 months away, I think the ICC cannot afford to be in a situation where in they don't even the know the participating teams. Add to that not knowing the number of open slots at the WCQ which is 20 days away.


As it is ICC do not have a good reputation so they won't spoil it further I think the PCB will have to take a call soon.
 
ICC there to butter up Sethi and co.

I'd be surprised if PCB don't give in to ICC due to a few promises here and there.
 
ICC Chairman Greg Barclay and Chief Executive Geoff Allardice meet Chair of the PCB Management Committee Mr Najam Sethi and board officials at Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore.

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The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) on Tuesday, stood firm on their stance regarding participation in this year’s ICC Men’s ODI World Cup in India amid the high-stakes meeting with International Cricket Council (ICC) top officials.

According to the details, the PCB categorically informed the ICC officials – Chairman Greg Barclay and Chief Executive Geoff Allardice – that the board will follow the orders of the Pakistan government for the World Cup if the Indian team does not travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

Details further suggest that the important meeting between the two parties also failed to come to a conclusion regarding an increase in PCB’s share in the ICC revenue while Asian Cricket Council (ACC) issues were also discussed in the meeting.

Consequently, the negotiations between PCB and ICC officials will resume tomorrow.

It is pertinent to mention that ICC’s supreme delegation arrived in Lahore on Tuesday morning on a two-day visit to meet the PCB’s top officials.

International Cricket Council’s high-ups were received by the Chair of the PCB Management Committee Mr Najam Sethi (also an ICC Director) when they reached the board’s headquarters at Lahore’s Gaddafi Stadium.

PCB Chief Operating Officer Barrister Salman Naseer and other board officials were also present on the occasion.

The visit is believed to be of enormous importance since it came at a time when the PCB and the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) were at odds over the fate of the 2023 Asia Cup.

Notably, it is the first time Mr Barclay, ICC Chairman, has visited the country. However, Mr Allardice has regularly visited Pakistan, first as ICC General Manager – Cricket and then as ICC Chief Executive.

Mr Barclay is also the first ICC Chairman to tour Pakistan since ICC President Ray Mali’s visit in 2008. This will also be the first time since October 2004 that both the top two ICC officials together visited the Pakistan cricket headquarters.

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The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) on Tuesday, stood firm on their stance regarding participation in this year’s ICC Men’s ODI World Cup in India amid the high-stakes meeting with International Cricket Council (ICC) top officials.

According to the details, the PCB categorically informed the ICC officials – Chairman Greg Barclay and Chief Executive Geoff Allardice – that the board will follow the orders of the Pakistan government for the World Cup if the Indian team does not travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

Details further suggest that the important meeting between the two parties also failed to come to a conclusion regarding an increase in PCB’s share in the ICC revenue while Asian Cricket Council (ACC) issues were also discussed in the meeting.

Consequently, the negotiations between PCB and ICC officials will resume tomorrow.

It is pertinent to mention that ICC’s supreme delegation arrived in Lahore on Tuesday morning on a two-day visit to meet the PCB’s top officials.

International Cricket Council’s high-ups were received by the Chair of the PCB Management Committee Mr Najam Sethi (also an ICC Director) when they reached the board’s headquarters at Lahore’s Gaddafi Stadium.

PCB Chief Operating Officer Barrister Salman Naseer and other board officials were also present on the occasion.

The visit is believed to be of enormous importance since it came at a time when the PCB and the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) were at odds over the fate of the 2023 Asia Cup.

Notably, it is the first time Mr Barclay, ICC Chairman, has visited the country. However, Mr Allardice has regularly visited Pakistan, first as ICC General Manager – Cricket and then as ICC Chief Executive.

Mr Barclay is also the first ICC Chairman to tour Pakistan since ICC President Ray Mali’s visit in 2008. This will also be the first time since October 2004 that both the top two ICC officials together visited the Pakistan cricket headquarters.

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😂😂 so literally nothing that happened, just the obvious that we know!!! what a waste of a trip this could turn out to be!!! 😂
 
😂😂 so literally nothing that happened, just the obvious that we know!!! what a waste of a trip this could turn out to be!!! 😂

BCCI and ICC should set a deadline for Pakistan to confirm their participation. After which they must work on alternatives.
 
International Cricket Council (ICC) president Greg Barclay and chief executive Geoff Allardice heard the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) concerns over the ongoing deadlock with its Indian counterpart regarding the upcoming Asia Cup and the World Cup here on Tuesday.

Barclay and Allardice are on a two-day tour to the country and held meetings with the PCB’s interim Management Committee chairman Najam Sethi and other top officials after arriving in the city in the morning.

Dawn understands the top ICC officials were invited by Sethi to visit Pakistan on the sidelines of the global cricket governing body’s meeting in Dubai last month.

According to sources, Barclay and Allardice spent the first day of their tour only listening to the PCB’s reservations in detail. Boycotting the World Cup is one of the possibilities the board is mulling after India’s categorical refusal to tour Pakistan for the Asia Cup — a move that would be a major blow for organisers ICC.


Even if Pakistan participate in the 50-over showpiece, they might prefer playing at a neutral venue outside host country India. The PCB would take that line of action only if the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) agrees over the “hybrid model” for the Asia Cup.

The model, proposed by Sethi to the Asian Cricket Council (ACC), if accepted, would see the first-round matches of the tournament not involving India be played in Pakistan, before the competition moves to a neutral venue for the remaining games, including the final.

BCCI secretary Jay Shah, who is also the president of the ACC, however, stands opposed to the “hybrid model” so far and wants the tournament to be held entirely out of Pakistan, its official host country.

Shah, according to recent reports, is lobbying for the event to be organised Sri Lanka. A final decision, however, will only be made in the ACC executive council meeting, which is expected this week.

Barclay and Allardice will conduct another round of meetings with the PCB high-ups on Wednesday, after which a press statement will be issued by the board.

Sources said the ICC officials decided to visit Pakistan because it does not want the issues between the PCB and the BCCI to damage the World Cup, which is set to be held in October-November.

The PCB’s point of you may be shared by Barclay and Allardice with the BCCI officials too, in an attempt to fast-track the issue towards a conclusion.

It may be mentioned here that the PCB had also expressed its reservations over the proposed revenue sharing model of the ICC, under which the board will receive a minor share of just 5.75 per cent.

As a major chunk of the ICC revenue comes through India-Pakistan matches in the global tournaments, the small size of the share is concerning for the PCB given India is set to bag 38.5 per cent of the earnings. The ICC officials also heard the point of view of the PCB over the revenue sharing model.

Published in Dawn, May 31st, 2023
 
According to another leak on this visit

The PCB has informed the International Cricket Council (ICC) Chairman Greg Barclay and Chief Executive Geoff Allardice that the country’s participation in the World Cup in India later this year was dependent on the government’s permission.
 
According to another leak on this visit

The PCB has informed the International Cricket Council (ICC) Chairman Greg Barclay and Chief Executive Geoff Allardice that the country’s participation in the World Cup in India later this year was dependent on the government’s permission.
Pak Govt have not convinced int countries to put pressure on Ind regarding "Kashmir Issue" , i doubt they will get this resolved with these two ICC blokes:)
Eventually Pak team will travel to Ind for WC 😜
 
As per a media report, attributed to sources:

PCB informed the ICC officials about their concerns regarding the proposed ICC revenue sharing/financial model.

Pakistan reiterated its reservations about the ICC financial model and demanded a higher share in the profits as the match between Pakistan and India brings a lot of revenue to the ICC. It is by no means appropriate to give India the bigger piece of the pie alone.

The PCB notified the ICC that their national team will take part in the upcoming World Cup, which is set to take place in India later this year, under the condition that the government grants permission for their participation.

Furthermore, they requested the ICC to assure that if Pakistan's team travels to India for the World Cup, India will reciprocate by coming to Pakistan to participate in the ICC Champions Trophy in 2025 - an issue that needs to be discussed openly.

PCB also gave a briefing on the preparations for the 2025 Champions Trophy, which is scheduled to be held in Pakistan. The PCB officials also shared the plan with the ICC chairman and Chief Executive regarding the women's league scheduled in Pakistan this year.

ICC officials will also discuss with the Indian board about Pakistan's reservations for the World Cup, so that a middle way can be found to ensure Pakistan's participation. Also, there may be some increase in PCB's share in the proposed financial model in near future.
 
Note that there is nothing official from PCB yet.

Lots of leaks but nothing official.
 
LAHORE: Pakistan will participate in the upcoming World Cup in India only if the country’s cricket board is provided with a guarantee that the hosts of the 50-over showpiece will return the favour by travelling across the border for the ICC Champions Trophy in 2025.

The Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) leadership placed the demand in front of the International Cricket Council (ICC) chairman Greg Barclay and chief executive Geoff Allardice on the second and final day of the officials’ tour to the board’s headquarters on Wednesday.

The PCB’s interim Management Committee chairman Najam Sethi had recently warned that Pakistan boycotting the World Cup was “very much a possibility” in the back drop of Board of Control for Cricket in India’s (BCCI) refusal to send its team to the country for the Asia Cup, which is scheduled in September.

The BCCI, so far, is also opposed to accepting the PCB-proposed “hybrid model” for the continental tournament, which would see group matches not involving India held in Pakistan before the event moves to a neutral venue Even if the proposal is accepted, the PCB would mull playing the World Cup at a venue outside India and would provide the latter the same option come the Champions Trophy.

The Asia Cup, however, is a matter that doesn’t concern the ICC and its top two officials preferred to stick to the issues revolving around the World Cup.

Sethi and co, therefore, asked the ICC officials a formal assurance of India’s participation in the Champions Trophy, the hosting rights of which were awarded to Pakistan two years ago.

Barclay and Allardice’s visit, although a “scheduled” one, is a high-profile one given the scenario, but there has been silence from both the ICC and the PCB and neither have made any officials announcements so far.

Discussions over the ICC’s expected revenue sharing model — leaked figures of which have revealed that India would take away 38.5 per cent of the body’s revenue, while Pakistan would get a mere 5.75 per cent — also continued between the PCB and the ICC officials.

According to sources, Pakistan’s concerns and the whole issue regarding its deadlock with the BCCI will be discussed during the upcoming ICC Board meetings.

However, given India’s stranglehold over the world’s cricket economy, would make it difficult for the ICC to entertain PCB’s asks. In such circumstances, the PCB may well consider forfeiting it’s matches in the World Cup.

DAWN
 
Can PCB survive without the share of revenue it is supposed to receive from the ICC for their participation in this year's World Cup?
 
Let's assume Pakistan forfeits its matches in India or another team replaces them.

Same will happen at the CT 2025.

What about 2026 T20WC? CT2029?WC 2031? How many events will PCB forfeit? How much of their ICC revenue share will they forfeit?

This Sethi guy is doing the same mistake he did last time when he sued the BCCI.
 
The official statement:

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Lahore, 1 June 2023:

The Chair of the International Cricket Council, Mr Greg Barclay, and Mr Geoff Allardice, the ICC Chief Executive, visited the Pakistan cricket headquarters in Lahore on Tuesday and Wednesday. This was Mr Barclay’s first tour of Pakistan.

During the pre-arranged two-day visit, Mr Barclay and Mr Allardice met with the Chair of the PCB Management Committee, Mr Najam Sethi, and other PCB officials, and discussed wide-ranging matters of mutual interest around cricket, including promotion, growth and development. Outside the PCB headquarters, Mr Barclay and Mr Allardice visited the National Cricket Academy, Lahore Fort, Lahore Museum, Safe City Project and Minar-e-Pakistan.

Greg Barclay: “It has been great to be here. My approach has been to visit all the Member countries and see how cricket and cricket administration operates in their respective jurisdiction as every country and Member is different in terms of size, scale, economy and where they might sit in the cricketing hierarchy.

“The cricket facilities in Pakistan and the cricket programmes are great and now, that international cricket has returned to Pakistan and the PCB is able to successfully deliver bilateral arrangements at home, I think we’ll see Pakistan cricket reach another level for both men and women, and that will also have a positive impact in terms of commercial upside.

“I enjoyed the briefing on the men’s and women’s cricket development plans and programmes at an administrative level and the progress that is being made. I think the future for Pakistan in terms of female participation and international successes is going to be huge in terms of potential.

“From the ICC’s view, given that we have a strategy to grow the game globally, to see where the PCB fits in is also very pleasing. I am going to leave here well impressed with what I have seen.”

Najam Sethi, who is also an ICC Director: “I want to thank Greg and Geoff for undertaking this tour to Lahore, which provided both the ICC and the PCB with an opportunity to exchange views and ideas on the globally cricket ecosystem.

“The PCB looks forward to continuing our discussions and working closely with the ICC to put together global strategies and plans that are not only in the best interest of all its Members but also achieve the common objective of growing and developing the game by attracting new audiences.”
 
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Predicted this a couple of months ago.

Sethi will make a deal to make sure India come to CT25, and when the time comes they’ll either have the competition moved or they won’t participate.

While he’s at it, Sethi should give the hosting rights for Asia Cup to India in return for a bilateral test series with India in 2024. I’m sure BCCI won’t hesitate to accept that offer, especially knowing that we have a clown as chairman.
 
Well the coming days will reveal what was discussed and agreed.

I'm sure Sethi is waiting for them to leave Pakistan before speaking up :)
 
Let's assume Pakistan forfeits its matches in India or another team replaces them.

Same will happen at the CT 2025.

What about 2026 T20WC? CT2029?WC 2031? How many events will PCB forfeit? How much of their ICC revenue share will they forfeit?

This Sethi guy is doing the same mistake he did last time when he sued the BCCI.

And why Pakistan would forfeit CT 2025 matches? Are you assuming ICC will take away hosting rights?
 
Let's assume Pakistan forfeits its matches in India or another team replaces them.

Same will happen at the CT 2025.

What about 2026 T20WC? CT2029?WC 2031? How many events will PCB forfeit? How much of their ICC revenue share will they forfeit?

This Sethi guy is doing the same mistake he did last time when he sued the BCCI.
Pakistan cricketers should not tour India until it’s safe for them to do so.

Playing in India should be out of the question.
 
Seems a lot said unofficially - Pakistan laid down some conditions and ICC probably taken the message back to India.

Should hear some juicy leaks from BCCI "sources" soon.
 
And why Pakistan would forfeit CT 2025 matches? Are you assuming ICC will take away hosting rights?

Either Pakistan or India will not play the CT 2025.

Unless Pakistan agrees to host it at a neutral venue.

It's ICC's decision whose side they take.
 
According to a senior PCB source:

"Sethi has conveyed to Barclay and Allardice that Pakistan doesn't want it matches to be scheduled in Ahmedabad unless it is a knock-out game like final."

"He requested ICC to schedule their games in Chennai, Bengaluru and Kolkata if national team gets clearance from Pakistan government to travel to India for the global event scheduled in October and November,"

The PCB official also informed that Sethi has asked ICC officials to convince BCCI to accept Pakistan's Hybrid Model for Asia Cup, which is unlikely to see the light of the day.

He also confirmed that Sethi had also insisted that it would not accept the new revenue sharing model unless its share was increased in the new five year cycle.

"Sethi pointed out that it was unfair that Pakistan should get a lesser share of the ICC revenues in the new cycle compared to Australia and England,"

"Sethi argued that Australia and England regularly get to play bilateral series with India and their players also take part in the Indian Premier League which means extra revenues for the two boards from the IPL management,"
 
According to a senior PCB source:

"Sethi has conveyed to Barclay and Allardice that Pakistan doesn't want it matches to be scheduled in Ahmedabad unless it is a knock-out game like final."

"He requested ICC to schedule their games in Chennai, Bengaluru and Kolkata if national team gets clearance from Pakistan government to travel to India for the global event scheduled in October and November,"

The PCB official also informed that Sethi has asked ICC officials to convince BCCI to accept Pakistan's Hybrid Model for Asia Cup, which is unlikely to see the light of the day.

He also confirmed that Sethi had also insisted that it would not accept the new revenue sharing model unless its share was increased in the new five year cycle.

"Sethi pointed out that it was unfair that Pakistan should get a lesser share of the ICC revenues in the new cycle compared to Australia and England,"

"Sethi argued that Australia and England regularly get to play bilateral series with India and their players also take part in the Indian Premier League which means extra revenues for the two boards from the IPL management,"

PCB not getting India tours or IPL access is ECB or CA's fault? Why should they compensate the PCB? Is he now trying to burn bridges there as well?

And this Najam Sethi's attitude of confrontation isn't going to work. If rest of the executive board passes the new revenue sharing formula, what will he do? Boycott ICC?
 
PCB not getting India tours or IPL access is ECB or CA's fault? Why should they compensate the PCB? Is he now trying to burn bridges there as well?

And this Najam Sethi's attitude of confrontation isn't going to work. If rest of the executive board passes the new revenue sharing formula, what will he do? Boycott ICC?

You’re clearly not getting it and are interpretating the situation like a third grader.

These are valid points raised by Sethi. As Head of CEO, his role is to put forward the best argument and case to defence Pakistan’s interest. What else is he expected to do, roll over and allow this to happen unchallenged?

Your approach to this matter has been quite juvenile. Sethi isn’t blaming ECB and CA, rather highlighting the inequity and discrimination faced in comparison to other boards. He isn’t going in to conflict with the other boards, rather arguing based on current practice and precedent.

The matter of the fact is this:

1) BCCI generates most of the revenue however, without all other members they cannot generate that revenue playing against themself. Yes they should receive a higher chunk but 38% is disproportionate
2) These are international cricket generated revenues rather than domestic cricket. Each countries involvement in various tournaments adds increases the value of those rights
3) Pakistan v India are guaranteed to play at least twice in every tournament given the money it generates for the GLOBAL sport. This in itself should be recognised in the distribution model. No other team is paired together in this way.
4) India has made little to no efforts to even pretend that they want to play with Pakistan. The current BCCI’s practices are discriminatory and impacts the the sports reputation, including its own.
5) India’s market is huge in numbers, however Indian companies also get to advertise and reach markets in richer GDP countries such as the UK, Aus. The Indian market may be lucrative but there is benefit for Indian companies using the international game to expand its international foot print.


Whichever way you look at it, Pakistan has demonstrated that it can host cricket. It has hosted the Royals, Australia, NZ, Eng. it’s not ideal under heavy security but they have managed it. The argument that there is a security threat does not hold weight.

That being said, India has no business in trying to sabotage Pakistan’s hosting rights for the Asia Cup or the Champions Trophy. You may wish to invoke memories of IPL sabotage by PCB, but the current situation is that Pakistan are genuinely making efforts to mend relationships.

One could argue that it is India that is ruining relationships by putting BCB, Sri Lanka and other countries in an awkward situation and bullying them in to a corner. There is already distaste in the global cricket community with regards to its tactics at the ICC and refusing to send its players to benefit other leagues.

Also, the best thing for Pakistan to do is withdraw from the ACC completely. It will become defunct as the reliance on Pakistan v India games is necessary to keep it commercially viable. India may offer a series to plug that gap for this event, but how many times will it extend its so called big heart for future tournaments?

Pak should refuse to play India at int competitions, even forfeit their points till india changes their position. If this was to happen, you’ll soon realise it is not just India on its own tht generates the money.
 
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According to a senior PCB source:

"Sethi has conveyed to Barclay and Allardice that Pakistan doesn't want it matches to be scheduled in Ahmedabad unless it is a knock-out game like final."

"He requested ICC to schedule their games in Chennai, Bengaluru and Kolkata if national team gets clearance from Pakistan government to travel to India for the global event scheduled in October and November,"

The PCB official also informed that Sethi has asked ICC officials to convince BCCI to accept Pakistan's Hybrid Model for Asia Cup, which is unlikely to see the light of the day.

He also confirmed that Sethi had also insisted that it would not accept the new revenue sharing model unless its share was increased in the new five year cycle.

"Sethi pointed out that it was unfair that Pakistan should get a lesser share of the ICC revenues in the new cycle compared to Australia and England,"

"Sethi argued that Australia and England regularly get to play bilateral series with India and their players also take part in the Indian Premier League which means extra revenues for the two boards from the IPL management,"

Is PCB trying to pull a BCCI? Not ok to play in Ahmedabad if early rounds but ok if knockout.

Revenue sharing not acceptable. So what is PCB going to do going against ICC?

PCB continues to cry, I want to play India, I want to play India.
 
You’re clearly not getting it and are interpretating the situation like a third grader.

These are valid points raised by Sethi. As Head of CEO, his role is to put forward the best argument and case to defence Pakistan’s interest. What else is he expected to do, roll over and allow this to happen unchallenged?

Your approach to this matter has been quite juvenile. Sethi isn’t blaming ECB and CA, rather highlighting the inequity and discrimination faced in comparison to other boards. He isn’t going in to conflict with the other boards, rather arguing based on current practice and precedent.

The matter of the fact is this:

1) BCCI generates most of the revenue however, without all other members they cannot generate that revenue playing against themself. Yes they should receive a higher chunk but 38% is disproportionate
2) These are international cricket generated revenues rather than domestic cricket. Each countries involvement in various tournaments adds increases the value of those rights
3) Pakistan v India are guaranteed to play at least twice in every tournament given the money it generates for the GLOBAL sport. This in itself should be recognised in the distribution model. No other team is paired together in this way.
4) India has made little to no efforts to even pretend that they want to play with Pakistan. The current BCCI’s practices are discriminatory and impacts the the sports reputation, including its own.
5) India’s market is huge in numbers, however Indian companies also get to advertise and reach markets in richer GDP countries such as the UK, Aus. The Indian market may be lucrative but there is benefit for Indian companies using the international game to expand its international foot print.


Whichever way you look at it, Pakistan has demonstrated that it can host cricket. It has hosted the Royals, Australia, NZ, Eng. it’s not ideal under heavy security but they have managed it. The argument that there is a security threat does not hold weight.

That being said, India has no business in trying to sabotage Pakistan’s hosting rights for the Asia Cup or the Champions Trophy. You may wish to invoke memories of IPL sabotage by PCB, but the current situation is that Pakistan are genuinely making efforts to mend relationships.

One could argue that it is India that is ruining relationships by putting BCB, Sri Lanka and other countries in an awkward situation and bullying them in to a corner. There is already distaste in the global cricket community with regards to its tactics at the ICC and refusing to send its players to benefit other leagues.

Also, the best thing for Pakistan to do is withdraw from the ACC completely. It will become defunct as the reliance on Pakistan v India games is necessary to keep it commercially viable. India may offer a series to plug that gap for this event, but how many times will it extend its so called big heart for future tournaments?

Pak should refuse to play India at int competitions, even forfeit their points till india changes their position. If this was to happen, you’ll soon realise it is not just India on its own tht generates the money.


What inequality? Pakistan isn't a big revenue generating territory. Australia and England generate more revenue and hence higher share.

To cite no bilateral series with India and no access to IPL as reason to get more revenue os juvenile.

1. India generates 90 percent of the revenue and is taking 38 percent, how is that unfair? India generates revenue wherever it plays, whoever it plays. India is the constant the rest are all variables.

2.ICC has sold its next TV rights according to territories.

Indian territory is sold for $3bn for 4 years
England $160 mn for 8 years
Australia 60mn for 4 years

Rest territories have either gone for lower or expected to go for lower prices.

So the value each country is contributing to the tournament is known.

3. There is no such guarantee of 2 matches every tournament. As i said, the money comes from India. If Pakistan had such money generating capacity, PSL rights wouldn't be going for $12mn a year.

4. India doesn't want to play Pakistan. There is no pretence. Its clear.

5.What is richer GDP? If you mean bigger GDP then Indian GDP is bigger than UK or Australia.. and how is Australia or UK connected to Pakistan asking for bigger share of ICC revenue?

India has every right to say it won't visit Pakistan. Its for Pakistan to convince other boards to continue with the tournament in Pakistan without India.

If other boards have issues with BCCI, they will tell the BCCI, not PCB.


Pakistan is free to do whatever it wants.

But one thing is sure BCCI doesn't need Pakistan to generate money. IPL doesn't have a single pakistani, yet it generates more money than the ICC.
 
What inequality? Pakistan isn't a big revenue generating territory. Australia and England generate more revenue and hence higher share.

To cite no bilateral series with India and no access to IPL as reason to get more revenue os juvenile.

1. India generates 90 percent of the revenue and is taking 38 percent, how is that unfair? India generates revenue wherever it plays, whoever it plays. India is the constant the rest are all variables.

2.ICC has sold its next TV rights according to territories.

Indian territory is sold for $3bn for 4 years
England $160 mn for 8 years
Australia 60mn for 4 years

Rest territories have either gone for lower or expected to go for lower prices.

So the value each country is contributing to the tournament is known.

3. There is no such guarantee of 2 matches every tournament. As i said, the money comes from India. If Pakistan had such money generating capacity, PSL rights wouldn't be going for $12mn a year.

4. India doesn't want to play Pakistan. There is no pretence. Its clear.

5.What is richer GDP? If you mean bigger GDP then Indian GDP is bigger than UK or Australia.. and how is Australia or UK connected to Pakistan asking for bigger share of ICC revenue?

India has every right to say it won't visit Pakistan. Its for Pakistan to convince other boards to continue with the tournament in Pakistan without India.

If other boards have issues with BCCI, they will tell the BCCI, not PCB.


Pakistan is free to do whatever it wants.

But one thing is sure BCCI doesn't need Pakistan to generate money. IPL doesn't have a single pakistani, yet it generates more money than the ICC.

Your response is peppered with illogical counter arguments.

1. India cannot generate 90% of its revenues without playing other countries. They cannot play against themselves and are dependent ok attracting other teams to play. Imagine if England and Aus send their c teams? I don’t think Indian market would be willing to pay that amount of money. The point the marketability to the Indian audience relies on foreign teams and some of the big names within those. In this sense it is unfair that India claim 38% as an overall percentage.

2. Each market attracts its own price. Likewise, ECB cannot sell achieve its local playing without playing another country.

3. The last few tournaments have been structured in such a way that there are guaranteed matches between India and Pakistan. I know it’s hard for you to accept that the rivalry is commercially attractive and accounts for a lot of the international revenues generated, but that is the truth. It’s by no means at random Pakistan and India are paired together to play. Face the facts, if you’re able to do so. PSL has nothing to do with international rights, again your argument is flawed.

4. India doesn’t want to play Pakistan is hardly a justified reason to not cooperate. Your comment epitomises everything that is wrong with Indian cricket, including its arrogance.

5. GDP per capita in other western markets. The that you’re over looking is that Indian companies also benefit from marketing themselves globally when selling rights for international games.

Typical response and it’s my naively that you would have approached it in terms of what was best for the game, apply logic and be reasonable.

The fact is that this is an international game and it is sold and packaged that way. . You remove Pakistan, it causes problem for tv rights and makes it less valuable. There is a reason why Australia has offered to host a test match between two sides.

The BCCI and is a circus. It fails to recognise that its high value is based on international players, both at international and domestic level.

Like I said, Pakistan withdrawing from ACC will make it redundant.

I suggest you read how markets work. Try something elementary, the basics are always a first good step
 
Imagine an IPL without its 5 foreign players playing for each team. Its value will decrease.

So try and understand that you can’t generate revenue from your own market without international players or teams. In fact, the IPL needed foreign players during the initial days to become an international recognised league.

I love the arrogance that some how because the money comes from India, that in itself speaks volumes. That money isn’t possible without international teams.

Small hearts
 
Imagine an IPL without its 5 foreign players playing for each team. Its value will decrease.

So try and understand that you can’t generate revenue from your own market without international players or teams. In fact, the IPL needed foreign players during the initial days to become an international recognised league.

I love the arrogance that some how because the money comes from India, that in itself speaks volumes. That money isn’t possible without international teams.

Small hearts

But how is this related to Pakistan? The relationship between BCCI and rest of the boards isn't dependent on pakistan.
 
You’re reading my message literally. The revenue for BCCI is dependent on international teams and players. Likewise for ICC tournaments. Pakistan playing India in those tournaments is a huge revenue generator. It’s a fact
 
Your response is peppered with illogical counter arguments.

1. India cannot generate 90% of its revenues without playing other countries. They cannot play against themselves and are dependent ok attracting other teams to play. Imagine if England and Aus send their c teams? I don’t think Indian market would be willing to pay that amount of money. The point the marketability to the Indian audience relies on foreign teams and some of the big names within those. In this sense it is unfair that India claim 38% as an overall percentage.

2. Each market attracts its own price. Likewise, ECB cannot sell achieve its local playing without playing another country.

3. The last few tournaments have been structured in such a way that there are guaranteed matches between India and Pakistan. I know it’s hard for you to accept that the rivalry is commercially attractive and accounts for a lot of the international revenues generated, but that is the truth. It’s by no means at random Pakistan and India are paired together to play. Face the facts, if you’re able to do so. PSL has nothing to do with international rights, again your argument is flawed.

4. India doesn’t want to play Pakistan is hardly a justified reason to not cooperate. Your comment epitomises everything that is wrong with Indian cricket, including its arrogance.

5. GDP per capita in other western markets. The that you’re over looking is that Indian companies also benefit from marketing themselves globally when selling rights for international games.

Typical response and it’s my naively that you would have approached it in terms of what was best for the game, apply logic and be reasonable.

The fact is that this is an international game and it is sold and packaged that way. . You remove Pakistan, it causes problem for tv rights and makes it less valuable. There is a reason why Australia has offered to host a test match between two sides.

The BCCI and is a circus. It fails to recognise that its high value is based on international players, both at international and domestic level.

Like I said, Pakistan withdrawing from ACC will make it redundant.

I suggest you read how markets work. Try something elementary, the basics are always a first good step

1) You have no idea what Indian market is willing to pay for what. The other boards are getting paid to send their teams, the share they are getting is in proportion to their revenue generation. While India is getting far lesser than what they are generating.

Pakistan doesn't general 5.5 per cent of the revenues, yet they are getting that much share.

And why will England or Australia not send teams? They don't seem to have issues with their share.

You don't seem to understand. No matter how many countries play, without India the revenue will be 10-15 per cent of what its today.

2) Again. That can be any country. All matches are reciprocal.

3) The seeding has been such India and Pakistan face each other. If pakistan is such a big revenue generating territory why isn't any Broadcaster paying big money for that territory?

Even for a Indo Pak match the bulk of revenue is from India. Replace Pakistan with England SA Aus NZ and the revenue will still come. Indian market is where the money is.

4) Just like many western countries don't play Russia, muslim countries don't play Israel, India doesn't play Pakistan. Its that simple.

5) Western companies also benefit by advertising in India, the fastest growing economy in the world. So?

International tournament whose rights are being sold territory wise. The money each territory is paying shows its market value. Indian market is paying many times more than the rest combined.

The BCCI is the best run board which is why it is where it is financially.

Indian cricket doesn't need Pakistan to prosper. That's very clear. And other boards are not part of the pakistani narrative against BCCI.

I suggest you read the actual numbers of the revenue and not depend on theoretical knowledge.
 
You’re reading my message literally. The revenue for BCCI is dependent on international teams and players. Likewise for ICC tournaments. Pakistan playing India in those tournaments is a huge revenue generator. It’s a fact

The revenue other teams generate is dependent on BCCI.

England has a revenue surplus only when Australia or India tours. Same with Australia.

For the rest of the boards, India tour is their biggest revenue source.

So all these teams come to India because they are dependent on the revenue made from Indian market.

Majority of teams in SAT20 ILT20 CPL MLC are all owned by IPL or Indian owners.


If Pakistan playing is such a big revenue generator why is no Broadcaster paying big money for the rights? Indian territory rights sold for $3bn, Pakistan isn't even 5 per cent of that. So the revenue is coming from India.
 
I don’t think we are getting anywhere.

India can only generate the revenue it does as the product being sold to its market is international cricket.

Likewise with IPL, it’s the international players that increase its marketability.

India on itself is not a product without other teams d It’s not like you’ve produced an Indian made car and the revenues are exclusive to you. This is not the case.

The point is, India is only in the position it is due to other international players and by virtue of its size. It hasn’t done anything smart or clever. True test of power is how you use it. India has abused it and refuses to advance the game and reciprocate by allowing its payer fo play in other leagues.
 
I don’t think we are getting anywhere.

You are correct. The only way to solve this is one board to take stance and boycott paying with BCCI. All power to PCB. Hope they follow thro' with their threat of boycotting WC.

This will clearly establish what their value is as ICC revenues will take a hit. It will also hit POCB as they won't get participation funds. We will find out where the balance is.

In 2025 BCCI should boycott CT. ICC revenues will take a hit. BCCI will lose participation fees. We will find out where the balance is.
 
I don’t think we are getting anywhere.

India can only generate the revenue it does as the product being sold to its market is international cricket.

Likewise with IPL, it’s the international players that increase its marketability.

India on itself is not a product without other teams d It’s not like you’ve produced an Indian made car and the revenues are exclusive to you. This is not the case.

The point is, India is only in the position it is due to other international players and by virtue of its size. It hasn’t done anything smart or clever. True test of power is how you use it. India has abused it and refuses to advance the game and reciprocate by allowing its payer fo play in other leagues.

And that's why BCCI is getting 38% and not 90%.

You see BCCI is already taking lesser than their fair share, why should it reduce further?
 
And that's why BCCI is getting 38% and not 90%.

You see BCCI is already taking lesser than their fair share, why should it reduce further?

BCCI should get 90%...

Imagine an employee bringing 90% of the revenue and rest all just passing time. Still that employee gets only 38% of the total revenue and others get rest of the revenue distributed among themselves for doing nothing. BCCI has shown big heart by taking such a big cut. Other shameless boards didnt even speak about it and shamelessly accepting funds for doing nothing. How embarrassing is that ?
 


Sethi argued that Australia and England regularly get to play bilateral series with India and their players also take part in the Indian Premier League which means extra revenues for the two boards from the IPL management,"



This just shows the desperate condition of PCB.

Since others are benefitted by India, ICC should compensate PCB. The sense of entitlement these people have!!!!
 
And that's why BCCI is getting 38% and not 90%.

You see BCCI is already taking lesser than their fair share, why should it reduce further?

Because apparently Pakistani territory which doesn't even bring 10 per cent of what Indian territory brings, is a big contributor via Indo-pak matches.

He forgets, like any other India match, bulk of the revenue comes from India.

India can play anyone and generate revenues. Other's can't.

One of these days BCCI must arrange a All Indian IPL and show how bulk of the revenue of the IPL is independent of foreigners.

I hope CT 2025 is played in Pakistan without India and the All Indian IPL is organised at the same time. We will see where the sponsors and Broadcasters go.
 
Because apparently Pakistani territory which doesn't even bring 10 per cent of what Indian territory brings, is a big contributor via Indo-pak matches.

He forgets, like any other India match, bulk of the revenue comes from India.

India can play anyone and generate revenues. Other's can't.

One of these days BCCI must arrange a All Indian IPL and show how bulk of the revenue of the IPL is independent of foreigners.

I hope CT 2025 is played in Pakistan without India and the All Indian IPL is organised at the same time. We will see where the sponsors and Broadcasters go.


Love to see that. Settle the issue once and for all.
 
Because apparently Pakistani territory which doesn't even bring 10 per cent of what Indian territory brings, is a big contributor via Indo-pak matches.

He forgets, like any other India match, bulk of the revenue comes from India.

India can play anyone and generate revenues. Other's can't.

One of these days BCCI must arrange a All Indian IPL and show how bulk of the revenue of the IPL is independent of foreigners.

I hope CT 2025 is played in Pakistan without India and the All Indian IPL is organised at the same time. We will see where the sponsors and Broadcasters go.

weird post. doesnt India have a domestic t20 cricket where associations and states play? Does it get boardacast and sponsors equivalent of international cricket?
 
Because apparently Pakistani territory which doesn't even bring 10 per cent of what Indian territory brings, is a big contributor via Indo-pak matches.

He forgets, like any other India match, bulk of the revenue comes from India.

India can play anyone and generate revenues. Other's can't.

One of these days BCCI must arrange a All Indian IPL and show how bulk of the revenue of the IPL is independent of foreigners.

I hope CT 2025 is played in Pakistan without India and the All Indian IPL is organised at the same time. We will see where the sponsors and Broadcasters go.

Of course to CT 2025
Nobody wants to watch that 2 months of boring IPL
 
weird post. doesnt India have a domestic t20 cricket where associations and states play? Does it get boardacast and sponsors equivalent of international cricket?

Does it have all the Indian stars playing? No.
 
Of course to CT 2025
Nobody wants to watch that 2 months of boring IPL

Yet IPL makes more money in TV rights deal and sponsorship than the entire ICC put together.

Can't wait to see what happens if India skips CT 2025.
 
so indians only come to watch the 11 national team stars, and they generate the money thats about it? Rest are just useless than?

11?

Many IPL stars or A team players also skip the SMA Trophy.

Now, go back to your dreams of destroying India.
 
11?

Many IPL stars or A team players also skip the SMA Trophy.

Now, go back to your dreams of destroying India.

SO you are telling me out of the 150 local players that play in IPL, and that would play if no foreinger was there, non of those 150 players will play SMA trophy?

You mkae absurd claims, while SMQ trophy rights dont sold for that much
 
SO you are telling me out of the 150 local players that play in IPL, and that would play if no foreinger was there, non of those 150 players will play SMA trophy?

You mkae absurd claims, while SMQ trophy rights dont sold for that much
You are absolutely wrecking him man, he is not stable enough to respond to logic like this :))

Feel Pakistan will eventually visit India for the World Cup, if Sethi is making claims about deciding the venue.
 
You are absolutely wrecking him man, he is not stable enough to respond to logic like this :))

Feel Pakistan will eventually visit India for the World Cup, if Sethi is making claims about deciding the venue.

After all the tough talks if Pakistan turns up to India to play the world cup it will be epiz beizzati. :))

I hope PCB shows some self pride and skip the world cup. There is an ICC tournament every year, so they wont lose much. After all the bravado Sethi did, it will be insane if he sends his team now to India. Pretty sure public will also boo its team whereever it plays.
 
You are absolutely wrecking him man, he is not stable enough to respond to logic like this :))

Feel Pakistan will eventually visit India for the World Cup, if Sethi is making claims about deciding the venue.

He says alot of absurd things. He once mentioned about a law that exists where India cant go to Pakistan or something, or other away around. Anyways, asked him to show us this law because every law passes through the parliament. He than kept making excuse that its a policy etc. Till this day, hasnt been able to show anything
 
Was anything concrete achieved from the visit? Any issues/problems resolved?

I am sure a good amount of several people's time and equal amount of other people's money was spent on the visit. I hope there was some productive work done.
 
He says alot of absurd things. He once mentioned about a law that exists where India cant go to Pakistan or something, or other away around. Anyways, asked him to show us this law because every law passes through the parliament. He than kept making excuse that its a policy etc. Till this day, hasnt been able to show anything

What difference does it make that whether its a law or policy ? India isnt visiting Pak anyway. Its upto to the people that how they take it. India wont visit Pak for CT 2025 and the tournament would get shifted. It only suggests that Indian Government's stance is like a law or policy with regards to Pakistan.
 
SO you are telling me out of the 150 local players that play in IPL, and that would play if no foreinger was there, non of those 150 players will play SMA trophy?

You mkae absurd claims, while SMQ trophy rights dont sold for that much

Do all 150 players play all matches in IPL? Do you know their names?

There are Indian internationals and some domestic players that play all matches for a team.

The international players hardly play many SMA matches, even A team players skip matches.

When IPL teams with all their Indian stars play they will get far more eyeballs in India then any tournament anywhere in the world.

Why will Indians stop watching Kohli Rohit Gill Pant Dhoni SKY Bumrah Ashwin Jadeja Hardik Shami Kuldeep Chahal Umran Siraj Or even young one like Yashasvi Ruturaj Tilak Rinku Dube DDP etc and watch some tournament in Pakistan where no Indian is playing?

Indians pay to watch Indian stars. Doesn't matter where they are playing.
 
You are absolutely wrecking him man, he is not stable enough to respond to logic like this :))

Feel Pakistan will eventually visit India for the World Cup, if Sethi is making claims about deciding the venue.

The only wreck is [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] .

He dreams of destruction of India and here BCCI alone is making PCB and pakistan cricket run in circles.
 
What difference does it make that whether its a law or policy ? India isnt visiting Pak anyway. Its upto to the people that how they take it. India wont visit Pak for CT 2025 and the tournament would get shifted. It only suggests that Indian Government's stance is like a law or policy with regards to Pakistan.

umm there is a hell of a difference. Laws is passed by the parliament, and to get such a law passed means alot.
 
Do all 150 players play all matches in IPL? Do you know their names?

There are Indian internationals and some domestic players that play all matches for a team.

The international players hardly play many SMA matches, even A team players skip matches.

When IPL teams with all their Indian stars play they will get far more eyeballs in India then any tournament anywhere in the world.

Why will Indians stop watching Kohli Rohit Gill Pant Dhoni SKY Bumrah Ashwin Jadeja Hardik Shami Kuldeep Chahal Umran Siraj Or even young one like Yashasvi Ruturaj Tilak Rinku Dube DDP etc and watch some tournament in Pakistan where no Indian is playing?

Indians pay to watch Indian stars. Doesn't matter where they are playing.

Tou bhaijan, why your domestic games not get that much attention, sponsor and broadcasting.

You claim INdia can pull of an IPL with only Indians but when it comes to SMA, Ranjis, you start coming up with the lame Star excuse
 
He says alot of absurd things. He once mentioned about a law that exists where India cant go to Pakistan or something, or other away around. Anyways, asked him to show us this law because every law passes through the parliament. He than kept making excuse that its a policy etc. Till this day, hasnt been able to show anything

What joke!!!!

The union government is empowered by the parliament and constitution under the seventh schedule, list 1, item 10 to make all decisions regarding foreign policy.

So once the government said, No visiting pakistan, its the law.

Now go back to your dreams of destruction of India.
 
Tou bhaijan, why your domestic games not get that much attention, sponsor and broadcasting.

You claim INdia can pull of an IPL with only Indians but when it comes to SMA, Ranjis, you start coming up with the lame Star excuse

Because these players do not play the SMA. If they do, its hardly a few matches.

When was the last time all the stars i mentioned played the Ranji or any domestic tournament? All Indian stars come to play only the IPL.

As i said, if India skips the CT 2025, i hope they arrange a All Indian IPL and we will see where the fans go and where the money goes.
 
Because these players do not play the SMA. If they do, its hardly a few matches.

When was the last time all the stars i mentioned played the Ranji or any domestic tournament? All Indian stars come to play only the IPL.

As i said, if India skips the CT 2025, i hope they arrange a All Indian IPL and we will see where the fans go and where the money goes.

An all Indian IPL is a fantasy and is unlikely going to happen. Broadcasters and sponsors will not pay any way near the current amounts without international players.

If India can earn the amounts of money without playing anyone, why don’t they organise regular series against Ireland, Nepal or Netherlands? The fact is that it does not make economic sense.

You talk about cricket and the Indian market as if it’s an Indian made product with exclusive rights. The fact is the contrary.

Your domestic cricket doesn’t generate anything noteworthy unless it has international stars or teams. That’s how it is sold and packaged as to broadcasters. Why are IPL owners hell bent on securing lucrative contracts with foreign players to play exclusively for their franchise?

You’re over playing your hand. Indian cricket is not the sole reason for generating 90 percent of the revenue.
 
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