ICC T20 World Cup 2024: Canada v Pakistan | Match 22 | New York | Jun 11 | Pre-Match Discussion

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After back-to-back defeats to the USA and India in the ICC T20 World Cup 2024, Pakistan finds themselves in a must-win situation as they prepare to face Canada in match 22 of the tournament at the Nassau County International Cricket Stadium on Tuesday afternoon. Pakistan is yet to earn a point in the competition and enters this match second-bottom in the Group A standings, while Canada, also known as the Maple Leafers, sits in third place with two points.

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Saim for usman
Azam for Ifti

I can’t stand chacha anymore .
 
Same ground. This is going to be interesting. Pakistani batting will struggle to reach 120 again.

While I'd give Pakistan a chance to win against Canada. I'm not sure if mentally they are there to even win it.
 
Fans should greet this team with rotten shoes tomorrow..at least the 90s team use to fix & lose, the tomatoes eggs will be wasted on this bunch.
 
Same ground. This is going to be interesting. Pakistani batting will struggle to reach 120 again.

While I'd give Pakistan a chance to win against Canada. I'm not sure if mentally they are there to even win it.
The thing is, Canada bats best at this ground, they already know conditions.

India was at a disadvantage at every stage of the game because they had no clue how the pitch was going to play, overs 15-20 wickets galore was a shock to them.

Pakistan knew what was going to happen at every stage but still failed to adjust. This happened last game as well where naseem your best bowler for that game isn't given super over and you sent the weakest performing batters in a super over against USA.

These boys have no understanding of the game. Compared to this, India bowled Bumrah in the 2nd last over because arshdeep was te weak link, had they done what Bobby usually does they might have lost because Pakistan managed to somewhat get their.
 
Fans should greet this team with rotten shoes tomorrow..at least the 90s team use to fix & lose, the tomatoes eggs will be wasted on this bunch.
Should Babar and Rizwan also suffer rotten tomatoes?
 
Should Babar and Rizwan also suffer rotten tomatoes?
Tbf bro, in the case of Babar, I've learned he can't handle tournament pressure. He played okay with a Jan NZ team. 2022 and 2024 is pressure.

It's clear he's double minded, dude did not do himself any favours taking captaincy back. This dude is a mental midget.

As for rizwan, his keeping has also regressed which was the one thing justifying his place. But as a batter he lost the game yesterday. He needed to make 15 more and play at a run a ball innings yesterday.
 
I think they will axe Usman (which will probably be the end of the road for him sadly) and bring in Saim or go unchanged.
 
Should Babar and Rizwan also suffer rotten tomatoes?
48 of 48 with 8 wickets in hand so called middle order

Baba & rizwan still looking like bradman & Richard’s they’ll get you 40 odd runs at the top at least
 
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I think they will axe Usman (which will probably be the end of the road for him sadly) and bring in Saim or go unchanged.
Tbh UK does not deserve an axe.

He's made a couple 35+ scores. Theirs no reason why their having an inexperienced newbie at no 3 which is traditionally a historic and vital position.

It's not like cohorts babar, Rizwan, Shadab, chacha aka the golden boys are performing
 
48 of 48 with 8 wickets in hand so called middle order

Baba & rizwan still looking like bradman & Richard’s they’ll get you 40 odd runs at the top at least
Openers usually get more runs then mo in t20 lol, They open and have the PP advantage, that's not really called being Bradman or Richards but okay.
 
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Openers usually get more runs then mo in t20 lol, They open and have the PP advantage, that's not really called being Bradman or Richards but okay.
By paks batting standards they are they can hold a bat 1 can hit a pretty cover drive the other leg side 6s.

What’s Ifty & co got to offer
 
Don't know how will Pakistan make in to next round but for the sake of it we will have to play remaining games.

Fakhar
Saim
Babar
Rizwan
Naseem
Abbas
Shadab
Ifitikhar
SSA
Amir
Abrar
 
This game is academic.

The Florida games will be washed out, so USA is progressing and they deserve to based on the intent with which they have played this tournament.
 
By paks batting standards they are they can hold a bat 1 can hit a pretty cover drive the other leg side 6s.

What’s Ifty & co got to offer
This is Babar's team. Hafeez during the World cup 2023 told Babar to take imad and Abrar over nawaz and Shadab, they even told him to take haris as a batter and to recall tayyab tahir into the squad as a bat but babar rejected all of it.

No one is telling Babar to play shadab, Chacha, Azam and these lulllei baaz who aren't genuine proper cricketing bats over established batters like agha, Tayyab, Haris, Saud shakeel, Abdullah shafiq

Yes these guys aren't the 2nd coming of gilchrist and their no Tim David either, but their batsmen, they all have either test class experience, acc emerging cup experience and have won games for Pakistan. Even if some of then are unsuited for t20 like saud, they ain't doing worse then azam, shadab, chacha.

Azam is a league marketing ploy to show that anyone can play league and fitness isn't an issue, you gotta be entertaining.

Chacha and shadab were never allrounders. Their extremly extremely poor batters and bowlers pretending to be bats.
 
Selectors really.messed it up on the basis of useless league,

In reality Muhammad Haris, Muhammad Nawaz, Salman Agha, AB Shafiq, WasimJr., are better players than Shadab Iftikhar Usman Azam and Imad.
 
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Tbh UK does not deserve an axe.

He's made a couple 35+ scores. Theirs no reason why their having an inexperienced newbie at no 3 which is traditionally a historic and vital position.

It's not like cohorts babar, Rizwan, Shadab, chacha aka the golden boys are performing
Surely doesn't but he is the easiest to scapegoat. Don't see Shadab or Ifti being axed. Ideally, Shadab should be replaced by Saim and one of the pacers with Abrar. But knowing Babar and the think tank, with their collective IQ less than Chris Martin's batting average, we will likely see the same team or Usman getting axed. I won't be surprised if they even bring in Azam.
 
This game is academic.

The Florida games will be washed out, so USA is progressing and they deserve to based on the intent with which they have played this tournament.
Is the forecast for Florida bad? It will be a shame if rain determines outcomes yet again.
 
48 of 48 with 8 wickets in hand so called middle order

Baba & rizwan still looking like bradman & Richard’s they’ll get you 40 odd runs at the top at least
There you go,

You’ve found an excuse to defend your two favourites
 
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Selectors really.messed it up on the basis of useless league,

In reality Muhammad Haris, Muhammad Nawaz, Salman Agha, AB Shafiq, WasimJr., are better players than Shadab Iftikhar Usman Azam and Imad.
Not really. Its always a case of those out of the team being better than those who have failed. Abdullah is definitely worth the investment, the rest don't offer radical upgrades over what we have. Yes, you can argue on the basis of form and fitness, Shadab and Azam definitely, and Iftikhar and Imad probably, didn't merit selection. But then none of Nawaz, Salman or Haris have been setting the world alight either.
 
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Don't know how will Pakistan make in to next round but for the sake of it we will have to play remaining games.

Fakhar
Saim
Babar
Rizwan
Naseem
Abbas
Shadab
Ifitikhar
SSA
Amir
Abrar
I would also look to give chances to players like Saim and Abrar who haven't played a game so far. Saim and Abrar are you future. At the very least give them exposure of a World Cup.
 
No Pakistani fan should be hoping for a win vs Canada, an early exit out of the tournament will potentially be the end for the likes of Babar, Rizwan, Ifthikar, Shadab and Azam Khan.

If we some how fluke our way into the Super 8 stage, then our cricket team will essentially be finished by 2026.
 
There you go,

You’ve found an excuse to defend your two favourites
Be honest when the target was 120 who were your hopes on which batsmen will get Pak near the target?? Ifty shadab?
 
Be honest when the target was 120 who were your hopes on which batsmen will get Pak near the target?? Ifty shadab?
Babar and Rizwan should have. If they can’t, they should get lost! I’ve been saying your openers should be Fakhar and Sharjeel. They wouldn’t have the mindset of chasing this target in the 20th over…they will look to get the job done by the 14th over
 
Babar and Rizwan should have. If they can’t, they should get lost! I’ve been saying your openers should be Fakhar and Sharjeel. They wouldn’t have the mindset of chasing this target in the 20th over…they will look to get the job done by the 14th over
They will get lost or booted out but not for walking wickets like Haris Ayub.. any youngsters who are slugging it out in 4 day cricket & are half decent should replace them.
 
No Pakistani fan should be hoping for a win vs Canada, an early exit out of the tournament will potentially be the end for the likes of Babar, Rizwan, Ifthikar, Shadab and Azam Khan.

If we some how fluke our way into the Super 8 stage, then our cricket team will essentially be finished by 2026.
Tbf bro, despite the guilty party attacking me because I knew full well 120 was a very very tough score on that pitch and India was 10 runs above par( no pun intended).

I wanted Pakistan to win, I always want Pakistan and some minnow to win because icc always puts pak and India in the same group with minnows usually

Reason being is, Australia will dogwalk Pakistan while against India, Australia has an advantage but India can pull an upset. Pakistan has no shot against them in pressure stages. They've never(Not talking about the 70's 80's) beaten Australia in any pressure stage, only non pressure stages such as group stage.
 
They will get lost or booted out but not for walking wickets like Haris Ayub.. any youngsters who are slugging it out in 4 day cricket & are half decent should replace them.
Then let it go. If they can’t be booted out because no one is better according to you…then you have no right to demand others to be booted out.

This mentality is the problem
 
They will get lost or booted out but not for walking wickets like Haris Ayub.. any youngsters who are slugging it out in 4 day cricket & are half decent should replace them.
Brother with all due respect. The Indian innings made one thing clear. As soon as overs 15 came it was a wickets galore, it was kinda impossible to score.

Pant is the guy who made the difference, he won the game for India despite arshdeep trying his level best to make Pakistan win.

That 48 of 48 was in reality 48 of 18, the last 5 overs were a no shot and could only be used for 4 rr at best or a wickets galore at worst.

One of Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar or Usman needed to pull a Pant and neither of them did, but fakhar gets credit for trying amd failing and usman will always get respite in the same way Abdullah shafiq got respites. Pakistan needs to stop choosing newbies like haris, usman and Abdullah and them bench them for eons, and call them up for like 1 game and then suddenly hope they can be the superstars of the tournament. It worked with fakhar in 2017, but it won't work 24/7.

Babar also gets respite cause he was trying to be aggressive but failed.

Rizwan gets no respite sorry. That's a cold hard fact that he lost the game. He spent the longest time to get accustomed to the conditions. He needed to play a Pant like innings.
 
Then let it go. If they can’t be booted out because no one is better according to you…then you have no right to demand others to be booted out.

This mentality is the problem
Offtopic, what do you think of Canada's chances? I think the real question that shpuld be asked if whatll happen if USA loses to Ireland and Canada beats pak.

Unlike Pakistan, Canada has the RR cause they also scored high against USA and frankly they have the best score on NY pitch
 
Selectors really.messed it up on the basis of fraud league,

In reality Muhammad Haris, Muhammad Nawaz, Salman Agha, AB Shafiq, WasimJr., are better players than Shadab Iftikhar Usman Azam and Imad.
Nawaz who bottled it against India and Zimbabwe in 2022 WC and against South Africa in 2023 WC?
 
Offtopic, what do you think of Canada's chances? I think the real question that shpuld be asked if whatll happen if USA loses to Ireland and Canada beats pak.

Unlike Pakistan, Canada has the RR cause they also scored high against USA and frankly they have the best score on NY pitch
Bro they wouldn’t mind being put in to bat first at NY

They have decent lower order players that will try pushing their total to 130..

That should be enough runs with the spinners they have. Their captain Saad is a good left arm spinner, and they have a decent Shahid Afridi type spinner who will be trouble for Pakistan on this track too.
 
Tried to put an 11 together but have come to the conclusion that its just an awful awful squad.

I desperately want us to win. Not just win bit win in the moment and show some character...not just turn up and go through the motions.

Qualification is pretty much out of the window - we didn't deserve it. Dont get me wrong id love it if somehow it did happen but ill accept that It won't.

As a fan I just want to see my team do well.
 
Selectors really.messed it up on the basis of useless league,

In reality Muhammad Haris, Muhammad Nawaz, Salman Agha, AB Shafiq, WasimJr., are better players than Shadab Iftikhar Usman Azam and Imad.
Agree with all except Nawaz, he was even worse then shadab during the tournament in 2023.

They needed someone like qasim akram aka a young blood and a proper allrounder in the lower order with salman agha replacing shadab
 
Tried to put an 11 together but have come to the conclusion that its just an awful awful squad.

I desperately want us to win. Not just win bit win in the moment and show some character...not just turn up and go through the motions.

Qualification is pretty much out of the window - we didn't deserve it. Dont get me wrong id love it if somehow it did happen but ill accept that It won't.

As a fan I just want to see my team do well.
I'm thinking of this XI.

1. Saim
2. Rizwan
3. Babar
4. Fakhar
5. Usman / Azam (Toss up)
6. Shadab
7. Imad
8. Shaheen
9. Naseem
10. Abrar
11. Amir / Haris
 
saim
fakhar
babar
rizwan
usman
azam khan
imad wasim
nasim
amir
shaheen
haris
 
I'm thinking of this XI.

1. Saim
2. Rizwan
3. Babar
4. Fakhar
5. Usman / Azam (Toss up)
6. Shadab
7. Imad
8. Shaheen
9. Naseem
10. Abrar
11. Amir / Haris

Saim shouldn't open. Way too much pressure for this kid especially given his career and the hype he's had this far.

Fakhar is always my opener with Rizwan who is able to clear the field. Babar at 3 is non negotiable.
Usman needs to learn how to guide an innings and I genuinely think he does have that ability and is just very inexperienced.
Saim comes in at 5. He is able to play a Fakhar style innings but with more freedom lower down the order.


Fakhar
Rizwan
Babar
Usman
Saim
Imad
Shadab
Naseem
Shaheen
Abrar
Amir

That's the best I could come up with and I still think it's weak.
 
Saim shouldn't open. Way too much pressure for this kid especially given his career and the hype he's had this far.

Fakhar is always my opener with Rizwan who is able to clear the field. Babar at 3 is non negotiable.
Usman needs to learn how to guide an innings and I genuinely think he does have that ability and is just very inexperienced.
Saim comes in at 5. He is able to play a Fakhar style innings but with more freedom lower down the order.


Fakhar
Rizwan
Babar
Usman
Saim
Imad
Shadab
Naseem
Shaheen
Abrar
Amir

That's the best I could come up with and I still think it's weak.
Saim was selected as opener. He should play as opener. No point trying to turn him into middle order batter. If he's not good enough right now. He should be dropped.
 
They need to forget about the previous two games and carry on. This is still a World Cup and technically, there is still a good chance that Pakistan can qualify for the Super 8s. Canada is the weakest team in this group and Pakistan should try to beat them by as big a margin as possible for their NRR. Promote Chacha up the order, he loves to bash minnows.
 
They need to forget about the previous two games and carry on. This is still a World Cup and technically, there is still a good chance that Pakistan can qualify for the Super 8s. Canada is the weakest team in this group and Pakistan should try to beat them by as big a margin as possible for their NRR. Promote Chacha up the order, he loves to bash minnows.
Big margin as possible in NY?

It’s the one venue that makes both teams compete equally
 
Fakhar 24
Rizwan 40
Babar 40
Saim Ayub 15
Iftikhar Ahmed 24
Usman Khan 16
Naseem
Shaheen
Amir
Abrar
Haris Rauf

Based on a moneyball approach. Top six batsmen score 159 if they score their average. Average strike rate for the top 6 is 123, which means we would score 148 runs in an innings.

We know our batting is trash, the question is can our bowlers defend 148 runs?
 
Fakhar 24
Rizwan 40
Babar 40
Saim Ayub 15
Iftikhar Ahmed 24
Usman Khan 16
Naseem
Shaheen
Amir
Abrar
Haris Rauf

Based on a moneyball approach. Top six batsmen score 159 if they score their average. Average strike rate for the top 6 is 123, which means we would score 148 runs in an innings.

We know our batting is trash, the question is can our bowlers defend 148 runs?
U selected Ifthikhar why ? What did he do to please u in this tournament?
 
Don't know how will Pakistan make in to next round but for the sake of it we will have to play remaining games.

Fakhar
Saim
Babar
Rizwan
Naseem
Abbas
Shadab
Ifitikhar
SSA
Amir
Abrar
U selected Ifthikhar why ? What did he do to please u in this tournament?
 
To the people who selected Ifthikhar! U guys don’t watch cricket! Thats for sure! You’re the people who are also ruining this team by making Chacha over hype!
 
I would cut some slcak for batsmen who never played on this pitch before so they didn't know how tacky the surface was. Ofcourse pak fans judge them based on theier performances against NZ C team, Ireland, USA, England etc. But strictly speaking any match at New york will be forgotten as a bad dream by batsmen. WHen an inform Kohli toe ends a ball that he would dispatch for 4 even in sleep you know it is not an easy gig batting out there. But being it is second match Pakistan should be well prepared by now. No room for complacency here.
 
Fans should greet this team with rotten shoes tomorrow..at least the 90s team use to fix & lose, the tomatoes eggs will be wasted on this bunch.
It is just a game bhai. Let’s not get carried away. Sure we should criticize them for poor game performance but then let’s leave it there. I am sure they are hurting too.
 
Serious question if this Pak team played Aus woman’s team would it go to the last over
 
I’ll be attending this game in person - let’s see what happens and I do not waste my time and money :)
 
Fakhar 24
Rizwan 40
Babar 40
Saim Ayub 15
Iftikhar Ahmed 24
Usman Khan 16
Naseem
Shaheen
Amir
Abrar
Haris Rauf

Based on a moneyball approach. Top six batsmen score 159 if they score their average. Average strike rate for the top 6 is 123, which means we would score 148 runs in an innings.

We know our batting is trash, the question is can our bowlers defend 148 runs?
The avg is 163 for 6 if you look at everyone's avg and sr and calcualte them per innings. Every top team has it higher then this.

Don't look at this metric, has nothing to do with NY pitch
 
Australian Woman's team would smash them in current circumstances.
:lol

AUS or Saffer women's team played a random U17 boys assembled by Tamil Nadu cricket Association during the WC in India and got thrashed.
 
Let's think about this logically. Firstly define a big margin win and next assess whether you think our current team can achieve this..

Big margin...100+ run win.

Can we realistically score 160 and bowl Can out for 60?

Maybe. But that involves us batting first... Another issue.

On the flip side Can we bowl them out for 60 and chase that within 5 overs? That seems a bit trickier.

Let's not forget, less than 2 months ago or team were talking about targeting 200 in T20s. If our players spent a much time working on their skills instead of talking about them we might have a better chance!
 
Let's think about this logically. Firstly define a big margin win and next assess whether you think our current team can achieve this..

Big margin...100+ run win.

Can we realistically score 160 and bowl Can out for 60?

Maybe. But that involves us batting first... Another issue.

On the flip side Can we bowl them out for 60 and chase that within 5 overs? That seems a bit trickier.

Let's not forget, less than 2 months ago or team were talking about targeting 200 in T20s. If our players spent a much time working on their skills instead of talking about them we might have a better chance!
The pitch is NY, so a 100 run victory won't happen at all.

Their won't be any 160 scores here.
 
Should be very competitive.

On a Dallas pitch , Canada might have been favourites .

But on this Nassau County pitch , the gap between weaker sides and stronger sides is bridged so Pakistan should be able to compete with these Mother Canuckers and maybe even win.
 
Might be one token change, perhaps Saim for Iftikhar, but nothing more.

Fully expecting Abrar to continue sitting on the bench while Babar's dinner table buddy Shadab continues to get a free ride.
 
Might be one token change, perhaps Saim for Iftikhar, but nothing more.

Fully expecting Abrar to continue sitting on the bench while Babar's dinner table buddy Shadab continues to get a free ride.
Why is abrar even sitting? What was the point? To take him for sight seeing.

They did this with tayyab tahir last year as well.
 
U could’ve just dropped everyone’s position down by 1 and remove Ifthikhar and bring in Saim Ayub? Why didn’t u do this?
Read carefully Saim already there, that's the scam by Riaz and Naqvi selected so many rellukattas that you have to pick either one of them
 
Hope we smash them and kick start our world cup.

Every game is a knock out.

USA v Ireland will have 200 million Pakistanis watching too.

The next few days are going to be interesting.
 
Fully expect Rizwan and Babar to bash Canadians because the World Cup is over.

@heddie19 will reappear after that, exulting at world class Babar as he hits 70 off 50 balls vs Canada.

Pakistan will manhandle Canada because the pressure is off.

The real game will be vs Ireland BUT only IF Ireland defeats USA.

If Pakistan get knocked out before they play Ireland than I expect more of Babar and Rizwans greatness to be on show.
 
going to the match tomorrow to watch a upset in person .. ie pak defeating canada
 
Fully expect Rizwan and Babar to bash Canadians because the World Cup is over.

@heddie19 will reappear after that, exulting at world class Babar as he hits 70 off 50 balls vs Canada.

Pakistan will manhandle Canada because the pressure is off.

The real game will be vs Ireland BUT only IF Ireland defeats USA.

If Pakistan get knocked out before they play Ireland than I expect more of Babar and Rizwans greatness to be on show.
70 off 50 in NY is like scoring 120 off 50 balls on a flat deck.

That’s well out of Babar’s depth if you ask me.

I could be wrong, but there is more chance of Pakistan being shot out for 70 here regardless of opposition
 
Fully expect Rizwan and Babar to bash Canadians because the World Cup is over.

@heddie19 will reappear after that, exulting at world class Babar as he hits 70 off 50 balls vs Canada.

Pakistan will manhandle Canada because the pressure is off.

The real game will be vs Ireland BUT only IF Ireland defeats USA.

If Pakistan get knocked out before they play Ireland than I expect more of Babar and Rizwans greatness to be on show.
Won't happen. Quinton is struggling in NY with minnows, Kohli and rohit as well. 70 of 50 is beyond anyone unless your ab de villers or A fully switched on Butler.
 
Hope we smash them and kick start our world cup.

Every game is a knock out.

USA v Ireland will have 200 million Pakistanis watching too.

The next few days are going to be interesting.
In 2046 Pakistan will surpass USA in population, and then we can proudly say, we are above USA as a nation.

^^ Jokes aside, 200M pakistani fans are loyal bit hope they don't get demotivated
 
1. Saim
2. Babar
3. Usman
4. Fakhar
5. Rizwan
6. Shadab
7. Imad
8. Shaheen
9. Naseem
10. Amir
11. Abrar

Enough of Rizwan opening.

No more Iftikhar and Azam, Shadab doesn't need to bowl and he contribute with bat more than Iftikhar and Azam.
 
Hope we smash them and kick start our world cup.

Every game is a knock out.

USA v Ireland will have 200 million Pakistanis watching too.

The next few days are going to be interesting.
USA v Ireland is a certain washout.

Ireland v Pakistan is also going to be a washout.

There is a flood warning issued for both days.

We are going home.
 
key is to score as much as possible in the first 5 overs, real test for babar and rizwan tomorrow the pakistan best opening pair :cool:
 
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