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How long will the ban duration be on sarfaraz?
According to ICC, it will be 12 odi matches. So sarfaraz might not be able to be selected for the WC squad
right?
 
A god sent really. Sarfaraz has been not worth a spot in the team for a while.
 
Yes. Probably 3-5 games due to mitigating circumstances and the fact that the racial slur wasn't actually used as an insult but was just a poor choice of language.
 
regardless of ban, he needs to be stripped of his captaincy, the pcb shouldn't sanction and condone such behaviour.
 
Really depends on how the ICC views the intent, was the sentence occurred deliberately with malicious intent to hurt the other person or was it just an ignorant lighthearted expression of frustration.
 
Being sacked as captain is the minimum punishment. Players need to know you can't speak like that.
 
Andew Gale captaining Yorkshire abused Ashwell Prince and recieved a two match ban. If found guilty a similar sentence would suffice.
 
Have the South African authorities even made a serious protest or note of this episode? To me it appears that our media has shown more outrage over this episode
 
However many games pakistan are scheduled to play between now and end of group stages of WC thats how long he should be banned for and stripped of captaincy.
 
Even though I think he shouldn't receive any sort of ban as one can use poor choice of words on heat of the moment maybe a fine will suffice however considering hos poor batting form and considering world cup around the corner I hope he gets a 1 year ban so rizwan can take over the duties and plus rizwan is in good form
 
No ban, if they do they should start banning anyone who uses the word white (hindi).
 
KingKhanWC said:
Andew Gale captaining Yorkshire abused Ashwell Prince and recieved a two match ban. If found guilty a similar sentence would suffice.
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You must be aware there is a big difference between county cricket and international.
 
iPakistani said:
You must be aware there is a big difference between county cricket and international.
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Sure but you must be aware of Harbhajan was initially banned for 3 matches before being aquitted after the BCCI threatened to pull out of the tour.

If Sarfraz is found guilty, there will be no long term ban.
 
Personal apology and no ban. Some sort of sensitivity training. PCB should be proactive here
 
Temporary ban and loss of Captaincy ........... till the PAK-BD ICC Test Championship Series. Sarfraz MUST lead Pakistan against us.
 
I think people are confusing Sarfraz the player with Sarfraz’s remarks.

He didn’t deserve to be captain after his recent failures which are painfully visible for all to see.

But to use the remark made today as a springboard to discard him, is not correct either.

It would just be another case of the PCB submitting to public opinion like YK in 2015.
 
PCB should ban him for life.

This is far more shameful than Amir, Asif and Butt. It portrays Pakistanis as ignorant, racist bigots, and it needs a very strong PCB response.

And I say this as someone who likes Sarfraz and wrote in 2016 that he was Pakistan’s only world class player.
 
Junaids said:
PCB should ban him for life.

This is far more shameful than Amir, Asif and Butt. It portrays Pakistanis as ignorant, racist bigots, and it needs a very strong PCB response.

And I say this as someone who likes Sarfraz and wrote in 2016 that he was Pakistan’s only world class player.
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Only for those living under a rock. Aussie fans recently were evicted after racially abusing Indians players in the recent test series. Racism exists in all cultures and imo more in the western world. Sarfraz's case shouldn't be used as some sort of world example. He should be treated fairly and justly.
 
MMHS said:
Temporary ban and loss of Captaincy ........... till the PAK-BD ICC Test Championship Series. Sarfraz MUST lead Pakistan against us.
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Haha good one. Hopefully he's long gone for the test championship. Otherwise we will get a good example of so called tactics .......
 
Hasan123 said:
Haha good one. Hopefully he's long gone for the test championship. Otherwise we will get a good example of so called tactics .......
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He should have been sacked as captain after the inevitable 3-0 drubbing.
 
ManFan said:
He should have been sacked as captain after the inevitable 3-0 drubbing.
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No. He should have been sacked after the Asia Cup. I said it months ago he was a rubbish captain even when he was going through a good patch. Now everyone jumping on the bandwagon.
 
Hasan123 said:
No. He should have been sacked after the Asia Cup. I said it months ago he was a rubbish captain even when he was going through a good patch. Now everyone jumping on the bandwagon.
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Everyone can jump on the bandwagon but not everyone has admitted they were wrong.

What really broke his back was the “in-between”. The NZ series.

Asia Cup came as a shock and the 3-0 headline as an afterthought but the 2-1 loss at home was when all heads should have been raised.
 
ManFan said:
He should have been sacked as captain after the inevitable 3-0 drubbing.
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He should have been sacked after 2-0 against SRL, at least as Captain. If not, then after NZL 5-0, there was absolutely no reason ....... PCB dragged it till Asia Cup, then AUS Series (That draw was more like a loss), then 1-2 against Kiwis and finally 3-0. Not sure, if they'll ban him now or not, but if not, then I can guarantee a 3-12 (1-4, 2-3 & 0-5) in these 3 remaining Series isn't enough for PCB to sack him, particularly after today's "FIGHTING" 41.

Now, things might go out of control, therefore PCB might be forced to take some actions, otherwise I doubt they would have done anything proactively (for this indecent).
 
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ManFan said:
Everyone can jump on the bandwagon but not everyone has admitted they were wrong.

What really broke his back was the “in-between”. The NZ series.

Asia Cup came as a shock and the 3-0 headline as an afterthought but the 2-1 loss at home was when all heads should have been raised.
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Well unfortunately people have egos. Some even chose to stay away from negative Sarfraz threads:)) .

Even losing to Sri Lanka at home was embarssing. Australia will beat Sri Lanka black and blue without Smith ,Warner ,and Hazelwood.
 
Junaids said:
PCB should ban him for life.

This is far more shameful than Amir, Asif and Butt. It portrays Pakistanis as ignorant, racist bigots, and it needs a very strong PCB response.

And I say this as someone who likes Sarfraz and wrote in 2016 that he was Pakistan’s only world class player.
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Wow abit too strong! You need to see the world...
 
junoon said:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/srilanka/content/story/95739.html

Are you aware that Roshan Mahanama mentioned in his book that McGrath called Jayasuriya a "black monkey"

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/740441.html

Darren Lehmann once referred to the Sri lankans as "black cu*ts" in the dressing room.

These are the antics of the pious australians
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QuickCrick said:
Wow abit too strong! You need to see the world...
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Yes and it made me puke that Lehmann was allowed to coach the country after that.

The spotfixers were viewed as lone rogue crooks.

But for the captain of the country to express such outrageous racist language, I’m sorry but that has to be disqualifying for life.

It was absolutely terrible when Ahmed Shehzad used the language he used. But any company in Australia, England or New Zealand would instantly sack any employee recorded on film as making such comments while on duty representing his employer.

But for the captain to do it? It’s outrageous!
 
Junaids said:
PCB should ban him for life.

This is far more shameful than Amir, Asif and Butt. It portrays Pakistanis as ignorant, racist bigots, and it needs a very strong PCB response.

And I say this as someone who likes Sarfraz and wrote in 2016 that he was Pakistan’s only world class player.
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You and Mamoon come up with the most ridiculous sensationalist rubbish I've ever had the misfortune of reading. The unfortunate part is that you're not even trolling.

Have you ever made a post where your boy-crush Butt doesn't come into the conversation? Are you able to have conversations in your life outside the internet without needing to discuss Salman Butt?

Being racist and using a racial slur out of ignorance (without using it to actually insult anyone) are two very different things. I have no problem with taking the captaincy from Sarfraz due to this but to suggest that he should be banned for life was quite honestly the stupidest suggestion I've read in 2019 on this forum. That was until you topped it by suggesting that this incident was more shameful than the spot-fixing scandal orchestrated by the captain of your national team.

I'm almost certain in your next post you will out-do yourself once more.
 
QuickCrick said:
Wow abit too strong! You need to see the world...
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Sorry, no.

He was representing his country and at work when he spouted this racist poison.

You can be a bigot in your own time in private.

But if you say this filth AT WORK when leading your country, you’re gone. For ever.

Consider why Mike Gatting and Steve Smith were sacked. For what they didn’t do!
 
RickyG said:
You and Mamoon come up with the most ridiculous sensationalist rubbish I've ever had the misfortune of reading. The unfortunate part is that you're not even trolling.

Have you ever made a post where your boy-crush Butt doesn't come into the conversation? Are you able to have conversations in your life outside the internet without needing to discuss Salman Butt?

Being racist and using a racial slur out of ignorance (without using it to actually insult anyone) are two very different things. I have no problem with taking the captaincy from Sarfraz due to this but to suggest that he should be banned for life was quite honestly the stupidest suggestion I've read in 2019 on this forum. That was until you topped it by suggesting that this incident was more shameful than the spot-fixing scandal orchestrated by the captain of your national team.

I'm almost certain in your next post you will out-do yourself once more.
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1. From the start I supported sacking Butt from the captaincy, and serving his ICC ban. I just agreed with the ICC that after his ban he should be eligible to play.

2. Sarfraz used racist insults in public, at his workplace, on active duty as not just a PCB employee but also as the captain. Any person in any western country who did that in his workplace would be immediately dismissed and never employed again.

3. The offences of the spotfixers were appropriately punished but were minor - like stealing pens from your workplace or leaving work early without permission. The offence of Sarfraz was equivalent to the CEO of Ford being caught on video racially denigrating a client of the company.

It is gigantic. I can’t believe that some Pakistanis don’t see that this is worse than the sandpaper incident...and will attract a longer ICC ban than the sandpaper incident.

Especially in South Africa for goodness sake.

You lead your country to the land which endured Apartheid and then you racially denigrate a black man.

And you have the gall to defend that?
 
Junaids said:
PCB should ban him for life.

This is far more shameful than Amir, Asif and Butt. It portrays Pakistanis as ignorant, racist bigots, and it needs a very strong PCB response.

And I say this as someone who likes Sarfraz and wrote in 2016 that he was Pakistan’s only world class player.
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Lol is this for real? Oh Lord
Bro you need to chill.

In Pakistan we refer to dark skin people as kaalay (black) and the opposite as gooray (white). Doesnt mean we are racist. When someone goes abroad to study their friends and relatives tease him that are you planning to marry a "gori" (white girl) or another example that if some black African family shifts in the neighborhood they are referred to as "kaalay" (black). Doesn't mean we are racist and never intend to too!

Even in Pakistan we have light skinned, dark skinned people and they are called 'gooray' / 'kaalay' in daily conversations. Doesnt mean racist!

And what do you mean by "It portrays Pakistanis as ignorant, racist bigots".
Care to explain why?

Sarfraz used Urdu to adress the player and doesnt mean to insult rather the comment was more directed towards his teammates. If he wanted to insult him he could have used English or the N word.

Sarfraz's was on TV and not in his personal friends' circle and his comments were distasteful and personally for me pathetic as i dont like to use this kind of language in my daily life but its not racist, lmao yar.
 
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Junaids said:
Sorry, no.

He was representing his country and at work when he spouted this racist poison.

You can be a bigot in your own time in private.

But if you say this filth AT WORK when leading your country, you’re gone. For ever.

Consider why Mike Gatting and Steve Smith were sacked. For what they didn’t do!
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I think you are offended more people by saying the word black is filthy.. Seriously get out of your box and stop blowing this out of proportion! Smith cheated which is malicious, what has he said that is malicious?
 
Junaids said:
1. From the start I supported sacking Butt from the captaincy, and serving his ICC ban. I just agreed with the ICC that after his ban he should be eligible to play.

2. Sarfraz used racist insults in public, at his workplace, on active duty as not just a PCB employee but also as the captain. Any person in any western country who did that in his workplace would be immediately dismissed and never employed again.

3. The offences of the spotfixers were appropriately punished but were minor - like stealing pens from your workplace or leaving work early without permission. The offence of Sarfraz was equivalent to the CEO of Ford being caught on video racially denigrating a client of the company.

It is gigantic. I can’t believe that some Pakistanis don’t see that this is worse than the sandpaper incident...and will attract a longer ICC ban than the sandpaper incident.

Especially in South Africa for goodness sake.

You lead your country to the land which endured Apartheid and then you racially denigrate a black man.

And you have the gall to defend that?
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Point 2 is you being delusional. I have worked in the West with diverse groups were racial banter is a daily event and everyone still has a job.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Lol is this for real? Oh Lord
Bro you need to chill.

In Pakistan we refer to dark skin people as kaalay (black) and the opposite as gooray (white). Doesnt mean we are racist. When someone goes abroad to study their friends and relatives tease him that are you planning to marry a "gori" (white girl) or another example that if some black African family shifts in the neighborhood they are referred to as "kaalay" (black). Doesn't mean we are racist and never intend to too!

Even in Pakistan we have light skinned, dark skinned people and they are called 'gooray' / 'kaalay' in daily conversations. Doesnt mean racist!

And what do you mean by "It portrays Pakistanis as ignorant, racist bigots".
Care to explain why?

Sarfraz used Urdu to adress the player and doesnt mean to insult rather the comment was more directed towards his teammates. If he wanted to insult him he could have used English or the N word.

Sarfraz's was on TV and not in his personal friends' circle and his comments were distasteful and personally for me pathetic as i dont like to use this kind of language in my daily life but its not racist, lmao yar.
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With respect, I couldn't care less what Pakistanis say about black people in Pakistan.

South Africa is a country in which its entire identity is mutilated by the awful hstory of Apartheid, by which until 1994 black people could not:

1. Vote
2. Live in the same towns as people of other colours.
3. Attend the same schools or hospitals as people of other colours.
4. Be present in towns after 6 pm at night.
5. Marry or socialize with people of other colours.

Yet you go there as guests, and the person in charge of your team says to a black South African "Hey black guy, where's your mother sitting today? What [prayer] have you got her to say for you today?"

I marched in London and risked arrest in the 1980's for the liberation of South Africa from racist rule.

And I have to say, I have never, ever in my life been more disgusted by events on a cricket field than what Sarfraz Ahmed said today. And it's even worse that he did it in Durban, where for generations Indians were the second most privileged racial group and were perceived as racist towards black people - even Mahatma Gandhi made outrageous racial slurs there against black Africans.

I don't care whether Pakistanis talk that way in Pakistan. To do so in South Africa of all places is just appalling.
 
Junaids said:
With respect, I couldn't care less what Pakistanis say about black people in Pakistan.

South Africa is a country in which its entire identity is mutilated by the awful hstory of Apartheid, by which until 1994 black people could not:

1. Vote
2. Live in the same towns as people of other colours.
3. Attend the same schools or hospitals as people of other colours.
4. Be present in towns after 6 pm at night.
5. Marry or socialize with people of other colours.

Yet you go there as guests, and the person in charge of your team says to a black South African "Hey black guy, where's your mother sitting today? What [prayer] have you got her to say for you today?"

I marched in London and risked arrest in the 1980's for the liberation of South Africa from racist rule.

And I have to say, I have never, ever in my life been more disgusted by events on a cricket field than what Sarfraz Ahmed said today. And it's even worse that he did it in Durban, where for generations Indians were the second most privileged racial group and were perceived as racist towards black people - even Mahatma Gandhi made outrageous racial slurs there against black Africans.

I don't care whether Pakistanis talk that way in Pakistan. To do so in South Africa of all places is just appalling.
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The comment was in Urdu and more directed towards his teammates lol. Didnt mean to insult or as a racist comment.

I think the batsman Phulekayo didnt even understand this before you guys blew this out of proportion.

He never called him a 'black guy' or 'N' word.

Stop making stuff and just chill lol.
 
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Ohh and i forgot to add the great West Indies team in Pakistan is referred as "Kaali Aandhi" roughly translated as Black Wind-flaw even to this day. In news, gossips and newspapers, everywhere.

Doesnt mean we are insulting them or as a racist comment.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
The comment was in Urdu and more directed towards his teammates lol. Didnt mean to insult or as a racist comment.

I think the batsman Phulekayo didnt even understand this before you guys blew this out of proportion.

He never called him a 'black guy' or 'N' word.

Stop making stuff and just chill lol.
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Oh know i why he feels so offended. He was a part of the liberation of racism from RSA.
Imagine what South africans must be thinking.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Ohh and i forgot to add the great West Indies team in Pakistan is referred as "Kaali Aandhi" roughly translated as Black Wind-flaw even to this day. In news, gossips and newspapers, everywhere.

Doesnt mean we are insulting them or as a racist comment.
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Also, Allan Donald is called white lightening
 
Junaids said:
With respect, I couldn't care less what Pakistanis say about black people in Pakistan.

South Africa is a country in which its entire identity is mutilated by the awful hstory of Apartheid, by which until 1994 black people could not:

1. Vote
2. Live in the same towns as people of other colours.
3. Attend the same schools or hospitals as people of other colours.
4. Be present in towns after 6 pm at night.
5. Marry or socialize with people of other colours.

Yet you go there as guests, and the person in charge of your team says to a black South African "Hey black guy, where's your mother sitting today? What [prayer] have you got her to say for you today?"

I marched in London and risked arrest in the 1980's for the liberation of South Africa from racist rule.

And I have to say, I have never, ever in my life been more disgusted by events on a cricket field than what Sarfraz Ahmed said today. And it's even worse that he did it in Durban, where for generations Indians were the second most privileged racial group and were perceived as racist towards black people - even Mahatma Gandhi made outrageous racial slurs there against black Africans.

I don't care whether Pakistanis talk that way in Pakistan. To do so in South Africa of all places is just appalling.
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The aparthied in South Africa wasn't the fault of Pakistanis. Pakistan captain cannot face extra retribution because of what colonists did in the past. Everything has to be judged with context, intent and past precident.
 
a_tahir said:
Oh know i why he feels so offended. He was a part of the liberation of racism from RSA.
Imagine what South africans must be thinking.
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Nothing racist was said, he not anyone else should be offended. This guy thinks black is a filthy word, don’t take him too seriously...
 
QuickCrick said:
Nothing racist was said, he not anyone else should be offended. This guy thinks black is a filthy word, don’t take him too seriously...
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Try calling someone a "black" at work in Britain. You will be sacked before you finish the sentence.

It is not okay in South Africa at work to say to an African man "Hey black guy, where's your mother sitting today? What [prayer] have you got her to say for you today?"

If you think that that is acceptable, you need to travel more.

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This is the recent history of the place. This isn't the ancient era of black and white pictures - it is the South Africa that FAF du Plessis went to school in.

And as captain, Sarfraz Ahmed needs to have the book thrown at him.
 
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Nothing racist was said, he not anyone else should be offended. This guy thinks black is a filthy word, don’t take him too seriously...
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Yeah but South Africans are assuming it is racist. It's all over twitter. They want sarfaraz to be banned
 
Obviously this subject is close to your heart so don’t want to say anything that may offend you but I think you have misunderstood. Black is not a malicious word, if it was followed by abuse obviously it is different.

Also I don’t know where in Britain you are referring to but having worked all over and currently working in Central London I can assure that no one would get sacked for describing someone as black.
 
PCB forgiving Sarfraz would set an extremely dangerous precedent. Racism should not be tolerated on any level. Sarfraz is not a comedian, he should have known what is appropriate. He is not a teenager, he is a role model to many Pakistani youth.

PCB should immediately strip Sarfraz of captaincy and ban him for at least 2 matches. Such ignorant individual should not captain any team on any level.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Your outrage is based on the assumption that someone like Sarfraz is aware of the history of racism in South Africa.

If an educated, knowledgeable individual who is well-versed with the history of South Africa does what he did, it will be unforgivable.

However, we are talking about Sarfraz here. A person who can barely string two sentences together.

His conduct and the way he carries himself clearly suggests that he has very little awareness (and has had very little exposure) outside the society and culture he grew up in.

He probably doesn’t have a clue about South Africa other than the fact that they play cricket.

He deserves to be punished for what he said, but he cannot be punished for saying it in South Africa simply because he is ignorant of the Apartheid.

I am sure the ICC and CSA will recognize this and will not link what he said with the Apartheid.

The ICC should punish Sarfraz according to the standard penalty for racism, and not impose an extended ban because he made a racist comment in South Africa.

As far as the PCB are concerned, they need to act professionally for a change and sack him as captain with immediate effect.

Regardless of the causal racism in Pakistan and the common usage of the black word, it is simply unacceptable for the captain to use such language that too on air.
 
Junaids said:
PCB should ban him for life.

This is far more shameful than Amir, Asif and Butt. It portrays Pakistanis as ignorant, racist bigots, and it needs a very strong PCB response.

And I say this as someone who likes Sarfraz and wrote in 2016 that he was Pakistan’s only world class player.
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Come on, you can’t be serious.

I am a critic of Sarfraz because he doesn’t deserve to be captain, neither performing as player & his Bhakhts are the most irritating bunch, but you are being too harsh here. Sarfraz doesn’t represent Pakistan or Pakistani people in general - racist, bigots, hooligans are in every society.

Sarfraz is a good at heart and honest guy - there is absolutely no intention of racism here. I am disturbed here because being PAK Captain, he has been so naive (& his employers being stupid enough not to prepare him), but guy would never sell his country, never insult any person. This is because of his upbringing and guy still can’t differentiate between his club Cricket & international cricket, but he should never be compared with the tinted trio,

Our Shakib was similar to him - extremely competitive, but his emotions got better of him in the heat of the moment. For his advantage, Shakib is married to an US educated software engineer and that lady has brought lots of sanity in him. Sarfraz should serve punishment as per ICC ruling and he should be sacked from Captaincy for his incompetences, after that if he can keep his spot, no issues.
 
Lol at the people saying sack him or ban him for life. Are you guys for real? Maybe ban him for one or two Odis but that's sit.

It was a lighthearted comment. He didn't know how to pronounce his name and therefore called him *****. Let's be honest, we use that word to describe most guys with colour without having the intention to offend them.

Whenever I go to Pakistan my cousins say "Australia ***** logon ka mulk hai"
 
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I'm almost certain in your next post you will out-do yourself once more.
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Junaids said:
1. From the start I supported sacking Butt from the captaincy, and serving his ICC ban. I just agreed with the ICC that after his ban he should be eligible to play.

2. Sarfraz used racist insults in public, at his workplace, on active duty as not just a PCB employee but also as the captain. Any person in any western country who did that in his workplace would be immediately dismissed and never employed again.

3. The offences of the spotfixers were appropriately punished but were minor - like stealing pens from your workplace or leaving work early without permission. The offence of Sarfraz was equivalent to the CEO of Ford being caught on video racially denigrating a client of the company.

It is gigantic. I can’t believe that some Pakistanis don’t see that this is worse than the sandpaper incident...and will attract a longer ICC ban than the sandpaper incident.

Especially in South Africa for goodness sake.

You lead your country to the land which endured Apartheid and then you racially denigrate a black man.

And you have the gall to defend that?
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Congratulations, you certainly did not disappoint.

1. How remarkably objective of you to have see that Butt was worthy of a punishment. That's truly outstanding and you should be very proud.

2. You can read it into it however you want to but the slur he used was not to insult Andile. That does not change the fact that he used a slur and deserves to be punished for it nonetheless. You are intent on adding context that is actually not there.

3. Spot-fixing offenses are not minor. This is honestly the most delusional thing I have ever read. Like stealing pens? Pens that are worth $50k? No, this is like embezzling funds from your branch as a bank manager.

He used a term that he should not have used. There was no actual denigrating of Andile. This is not a defense, this is calling things as they are and not blowing them out of context. On a separate note, Gibbs once racially abused Pakistani supporters and received a two man ban. Or is that different because Pakistan doesn't have an apartheid history so therefore should be less offended by racism?

Where have I defended him? In various posts (including the one you've quoted), I've said that the offense is seriousness enough for him to be stripped off the captaincy.

I just refuse to entertain your attention-seeking drama-queen like cynicism and delusions of grandeur.
 
Mamoon said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Your outrage is based on the assumption that someone like Sarfraz is aware of the history of racism in South Africa.

If an educated, knowledgeable individual who is well-versed with the history of South Africa does what he did, it will be unforgivable.

However, we are talking about Sarfraz here. A person who can barely string two sentences together.

His conduct and the way he carries himself clearly suggests that he has very little awareness (and has had very little exposure) outside the society and culture he grew up in.

He probably doesn’t have a clue about South Africa other than the fact that they play cricket.

He deserves to be punished for what he said, but he cannot be punished for saying it in South Africa simply because he is ignorant of the Apartheid.

I am sure the ICC and CSA will recognize this and will not link what he said with the Apartheid.

The ICC should punish Sarfraz according to the standard penalty for racism, and not impose an extended ban because he made a racist comment in South Africa.

As far as the PCB are concerned, they need to act professionally for a change and sack him as captain with immediate effect.

Regardless of the causal racism in Pakistan and the common usage of the black word, it is simply unacceptable for the captain to use such language that too on air.
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On the contrary I think it was pretty deliberate, Sarfraz knows exactly what he's saying in the heat of the moment. This is not him speaking in English. Sarfraz likes to act naiive on a tv show, when talking to an interview and tries to laugh it off. He is smarter than we give him credit for. If you remember what he said to Guptill, it was broadcasted on TV. Sarf later said in an interview laughing it off but it was clear by his impression that he liked what he said and he meant it everytime, as did his fans.

In another instance he was shouting 'oye pad hai bishooo' in the 2016 test match against WI. Now thats a cheeky dig and all keepers like to be in the ears of the keeper.

This is an instance where all his casualness got exposed and he took it further than we like him too.
A bit of fun and games, not naiveity mind you he was saying that to crackle a joke with his fellow teammates. But as a captain you are not entitled to make fun of others. I don't take it without a doubt sarfraz meant to say what he did.

Read another tweet casual racism is pretty common in our culture amongst the players as well. So for alot of people this was not a surprise.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Ohh and i forgot to add the great West Indies team in Pakistan is referred as "Kaali Aandhi" roughly translated as Black Wind-flaw even to this day. In news, gossips and newspapers, everywhere.

Doesnt mean we are insulting them or as a racist comment.
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Stop trying to justify Sarfraz by the racist attitude most people have within Pak. It's like saying Sarfraz is not wrong because everyone in his home country is a born racist.

Don't act so innocent, Kaala is used as a derogatory term locally to mock someone no matter how commonly it is used.

We're a racist society and your post just proves that.

Blacks have been discriminated against especially in a country like SA , gorraaas have not, both are different.

But Sarfaraz is not educated, an illiterate ignorant guy unable to understand that with his little intellectual ability.
 
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A ban of 3 matches is more than enough.

He didn't do it deliberately as an intention to mock a race. He's illiterate enough to not know it's racist.
 
Golden opportunity for PCB to rip him off captaincy. There is a reason due to his comments so certain media lobby will not be as effective as if he was removed on performance.
 
Hawkeye said:
Stop trying to justify Sarfraz by the racist attitude most people have within Pak. It's like saying Sarfraz is not wrong because everyone in his home country is a born racist.

Don't act so innocent, Kaala is used as a derogatory term locally to mock someone no matter how commonly it is used.

We're a racist society and your post just proves that.

Blacks have been discriminated against especially in a country like SA , gorraaas have not, both are different.

But Sarfaraz is not educated, an illiterate ignorant guy unable to understand that with his little intellectual ability.
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He went to university he is not that uneducated.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Only for those living under a rock. Aussie fans recently were evicted after racially abusing Indians players in the recent test series. Racism exists in all cultures and imo more in the western world. Sarfraz's case shouldn't be used as some sort of world example. He should be treated fairly and justly.
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How does random fans being racist equate to same as the captain representing the country, playing in national colours, being caught saying racist things? Racism occurs everywhere. So does sexism. Doesn't mean millionaire role models are allowed to be. Pandya and Rahul are suspended just for some remarks on TV for the same reason, a millionaire, cultural icon and celebrity are held to more standards as they influence a whole generation of youngsters
 
People defending him do not realise the damage they are doing to the image of Pakistan cricket.
 
Will be interesting to see if PCB is pro active on this and takes control , or will they sit back and hope it’s all forgotten after a few days and swept under the carpet, or wait for ICC sanctions and then plea for leniency..

You don’t need ICC or a special PCB committee to investigate this matter , the offence which has been committed was loud and clear , and there should be an immediate statement and response from PCB to save any dignity.

Yet again, these players are not content enough with their humiliation and embarrassment of their performances on the field , they keep finding new ways to cause further damage to the image of Pakistan cricket from biting and tampering with cricket balls, spot fixing and match fixing, and now add racism to the list of things that make headlines around the world associated to Pakistan cricket.
 
Sher Khan said:
He went to university he is not that uneducated.
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Very strange.

What university did he go to and how did he get the degree? If it was Urdu university majoring in Urdu, i i s understandable.

Even then, education should have had some effect on him?
 
waleed88 said:
On the contrary I think it was pretty deliberate, Sarfraz knows exactly what he's saying in the heat of the moment. This is not him speaking in English. Sarfraz likes to act naiive on a tv show, when talking to an interview and tries to laugh it off. He is smarter than we give him credit for. If you remember what he said to Guptill, it was broadcasted on TV. Sarf later said in an interview laughing it off but it was clear by his impression that he liked what he said and he meant it everytime, as did his fans.

In another instance he was shouting 'oye pad hai bishooo' in the 2016 test match against WI. Now thats a cheeky dig and all keepers like to be in the ears of the keeper.

This is an instance where all his casualness got exposed and he took it further than we like him too.
A bit of fun and games, not naiveity mind you he was saying that to crackle a joke with his fellow teammates. But as a captain you are not entitled to make fun of others. I don't take it without a doubt sarfraz meant to say what he did.

Read another tweet casual racism is pretty common in our culture amongst the players as well. So for alot of people this was not a surprise.
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I agree that Sarfraz was clearly mocking him for his skin color. However, you cannot punish him for the history of racism in South Africa when he has absolutely no clue.
 
that was not intentional comment though..

He has this habit of saying anything to his team players. Its just the flow of his thoughts which he could not
stop
 
Should be banned for a few matches
Max 5-6 matches

Those suggesting a year ban are overreacting
 
iniqbal223 said:
that was not intentional comment though..

He has this habit of saying anything to his team players. Its just the flow of his thoughts which he could not
stop
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And he needs to be taught a lesson for this.

However, not an extended ban. 3-5 matches is enough. His intention was not to be racist towards him, it's simply street language in the subcontinent.

A very bad one though.
 
A ban should be sufficient enough. A 10 game ban would surely be a statement across the whole team. Question is if he is banned for a length of games, and pak does much better under a new leader, would that mean he's gone for good. The way i see it, he has shot himself in the foot without him even realising it.
 
If that happens it will be blessing in disguise for Pakistan to get rid of him. Need to b baned at least 1 year.
 
Mamoon said:
I agree that Sarfraz was clearly mocking him for his skin color. However, you cannot punish him for the history of racism in South Africa when he has absolutely no clue.
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ICC has been giving paying spectators life bans for racist comments. Would be a poor look for them if a player himself uses racist words on a cricket field in South Africa and they are not strict about it. I think a 5-6 matches ban might happen
 
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