If Hasan Ali can improve then why can't the other pace bowlers?

[Saj]

We are seeing Hasan Ali grow in stature as a bowler and showing steady signs of progress and improvement.

If he can do it, then why can't the likes of Wahab, Amir and Junaid Khan?

We complain about the coaches, isnt Hasan Ali being coached and mentored by the same people?

 

[godzilla]

the question has to be asked as to why they were selected. the reason I suspect t we will be given is that there just isnt any more hasan's in the circuit. but I don't know what performances junked was selected on the back of, and its obvious amir is either crap, or tired - either way, he shouldn't be playing.

wahab is a nonsensical choice under any circumstance except perhaps t20.

 

[MRSN]

They will improve if you dump them and evaluate their performances before bringing them into the national team. Wahab has been living off that Watson spell and before that he was living off that Mohali spell. We have got some really overrated pacers in our line up no wonder they get tonked when half a decent batsman takes on them.

 

[Rayyman]

I hope Mohammad Amir's injury is okay. Sarfraz has to do a better job with him. He is the best new ball bowler in the team. Give him 5-6 overs at the start. Not 4.

 

[Syed1]

Hasan Ali is a good bowler, but lets not forget he was one of the major reasons we lost the first match.


Good bowling performance today, hope he does well in the last match too.

 

[MRSN]

This also kills this notion that we don't have any talent in our system. Shadab,Baber, Hasan have made sure that there are far better players in the system if one looks out rather than check batting and bowling charts.

 

[MRSN]

Hasan Ali is a good bowler, but lets not forget he was one of the major reasons we lost the first match.


Good bowling performance today, hope he does well in the last match too.

He has given more match winning performances in his little career than our senior bowlers in their entire career.

 

[Hawkeye]

Hasan Ali is a good bowler, but lets not forget he was one of the major reasons we lost the first match.


Good bowling performance today, hope he does well in the last match too.

LOOOL. This coming from a Junaid fan.

I can't believe someone who rates the worst bowler in Pakistan has the audacity to trash Hasan Ali.

 

[RehanG]

This also kills this notion that we don't have any talent in our system. Shadab,Baber, Hasan have made sure that there are far better players in the system if one looks out rather than check batting and bowling charts.

and add to that Sharjeel and Rumman ect

 

[Justcrazy]

Those will improve who are willing to improve . If you think you are already superstar , you will never improve.

Before even Amir came back , someone from PCB commented Amir is still the best bowler in the country !

How can you make such a comment before even watching how a bowler who is bowling after 5 years has played ? Asif loss was much bigger one than Aamir , I always maintained.

 

[Hamza_]

He has given more match winning performances in his little career than our senior bowlers in their entire career.

Hassan is a complete bowler which is evident by the fact that he already has two fifer which none of our bowlers managed, He can bowl up front, Bowl sharply in the middle and show variety at the end.

 

[LordJames]

We are seeing Hasan Ali grow in stature as a bowler and showing steady signs of progress and improvement.

If he can do it, then why can't the likes of Wahab, Amir and Junaid Khan?

We complain about the coaches, isnt Hasan Ali being coached and mentored by the same people?

Spot on! Can't argue with that

 

[Speedster777]

Hassan Ali is a match winner he has upped his pace which is great to see. At this level, coaches cannot make much difference if the players do not have the passion and hunger to perform.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sometimes it's just poor decision making from these senior bowlers. Today finally Amir managed to bowl yorkers along with Hasan and as a result there wasn't the flurry of sixes that we saw in the first game. It really annoys me when the bowlers keep pitching the ball in areas where you can get a good swing at it from a batsman's POV in the death overs.

 

[WC-Passion]

It's just the mentality of the players. Once you considered one of the senior bowlers you're "too good" and don't need to go the extra mile to improve your bowling. See it in batting too.

 

[New Yorker]

We are seeing Hasan Ali grow in stature as a bowler and showing steady signs of progress and improvement.

If he can do it, then why can't the likes of Wahab, Amir and Junaid Khan?

We complain about the coaches, isnt Hasan Ali being coached and mentored by the same people?

Isn't the bigger question, why can't we move on from players who fail to show signs of progress?

Select the best from your domestics, let them sink or swim, rinse and repeat.

Perhaps a few Hasan Alis will wash out every now and then.

100 % sure they won't if you don't even dare to try.

 

[Hasan123]

Amir is trying to make improvements tbf. He's probably trying too hard.

 

[New Yorker]

He has given more match winning performances in his little career than our senior bowlers in their entire career.

Wickets are so besides the points. Ephemeral really. What matters is pace and attitude. I will only be happy with Hasan if he makes Jason Holder jump about in fear.

 

[MenInG]

Different bowlers but Amir's experience puts him in a better position to know his mistakes and fix them

 

[Slog]

Hasan Ali is a limited bowler who won't ever reach world class standards

Ceiling for other bowlers, namely Amir, is on a different level to Hasan's

 

[Markhor]

Don't get the hate for Hasan Ali. Effective with the new ball, has seam and swing, his pace is good, has an intelligent bowling brain as you see him try to work batsmen out and a great mentality - like how he's willing to take responsibility in pressure situations. We saw it in the PSL and in the T20 series.

Yes he can have a bad day where he leaks runs, like any bowler. Definitely better than Junaid who half of PP was crying for because of his performance in a mickey mouse league. He predictably got battered in the Departmental One Day Cup, was hit and miss in Australia and got bashed yesterday.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Hasan Ali is a good bowler, but lets not forget he was one of the major reasons we lost the first match.


Good bowling performance today, hope he does well in the last match too.

Hafeez was the main reason we lost the first match. You can't just pin it on one bowler. Hafeez sucked the life out of the innings and didn't even stick till the end on a 350 run pitch.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Don't get the hate for Hasan Ali. Effective with the new ball, has seam and swing, his pace is good, has an intelligent bowling brain as you see him try to work batsmen out and a great mentality - like how he's willing to take responsibility in pressure situations. We saw it in the PSL and in the T20 series.

Yes he can have a bad day where he leaks runs, like any bowler. Definitely better than Junaid who half of PP was crying for because of his performance in a mickey mouse league. He predictably got battered in the Departmental One Day Cup, was hit and miss in Australia and got bashed yesterday.

Not to forget he works on his limitations. I like this about these younger players we've got. We saw Sharjeel working on his game vs spin and his game on the off side. Similarly, we saw a Babar Azam who can pace the innings well by going for the big shots. Same is the case with Hasan. He was 130 kph bowler when he came through and now bowls in the 140's.

 

[Abdullah]

They will improve if you dump them and evaluate their performances before bringing them into the national team. Wahab has been living off that Watson spell and before that he was living off that Mohali spell. We have got some really overrated pacers in our line up no wonder they get tonked when half a decent batsman takes on them.

Sometimes it's just poor decision making from these senior bowlers. Today finally Amir managed to bowl yorkers along with Hasan and as a result there wasn't the flurry of sixes that we saw in the first game. It really annoys me when the bowlers keep pitching the ball in areas where you can get a good swing at it from a batsman's POV in the death overs.

it gets me too. amir can bowl those yorkers. just keep putting it there!!
tries to mix the length n pace when he dont need too!!

 

[MMHS]

For a change, may be because he was picked at the right age. I mean, learning curve has a peak - PCB can't expect to pick bowlers rotting in domestics for 10 years & then 10 days coaching will convert them.

Of course Individual skills are at different level for different players, other wise any 22 years old can be trained in to anyone, but picking at actual 29 years youngsta buti won't help much through coaching.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

amir junaid khan and hasan ali need to persist with this 3-man pace attack for another 6 months to 1 year to see the difference in impact... newball bowlers hunt in pairs... we can see Amir and Junaid bowling well in the PP Hasan adds up as a very good first change bowler , good in the middle overs with fielders spread out and with more variety at the end. this pace attack if continued, will be good to watch in the CT2017

 

[mojohnson]

I would give an opportunity to ruman raees or Shinwari - at least they have the potential to improve further ( as they both have in recent years). I can't see that potential in junaid.

 

[godzilla]

I would give an opportunity to ruman raees or Shinwari - at least they have the potential to improve further ( as they both have in recent years). I can't see that potential in junaid.

I agree mostly, only thing where I differ is that I think junked might have potential, but he still hasn't hit his strides since his injury, I don't understand why he was picked simply on the back of a BBL league performance when he hasn't been outstanding anywhere else.

on a different topic, there has been some criticism around of azhar Mahmood for the massive regression of wahab and amir, but in the same vein, you have to give him credit for the remarkable development of Hasan.

 

[phoenix363]

Its almost completely down to the player. Yes the support staff, coaches, captain etc all play a part but ultimately it is the player who dictates his career.

This thread is almost like asking the question, if Virat Kohli can improve, why are the other indian not as good as him...

 

[AamirWarraich]

Hassan is a kid who is willing to learn and improve.Not someone like Wahab who gets overhyped due to his pace. Wahab is effective only with the old ball and that too once every 10 matches. Wahab simply cannot bowl in limited overs games. He should be kept as a backup for Test matches.

Hassan Ali should make his Test debut soon. I love how he has aggressiveness backed up with actually getting wickets. And he will rarely bowl the same bad ball twice in a row. This is an extremely annoying trait of Wahab who will bowl the same crap delivery 3 times in a row, and get hit for a boundary each time.

Hassan has an excellent cricketing brain and good mental toughness. Any other weak minded bowler would've been totally devastated after the hammering he got in Australia. His improvement is excellent. From a guy who occasionally touched 140kph just a year ago, he has upped his pace to 147kph. He bowls well with the new and the old ball. And has excellent variations which make him a great death bowler.

I think in the next 12-18 months, if he continues improving the way he has, and adds on a bit of muscle, he could become a genuinely world class player. I can pretty much guarantee he will also be hitting 150kph as well by then. Not to mention he can bat a bit too. And is a good fielder. A truly excellent find. Hopefully we can find a few more rough diamonds like him in the next couple of years. Guys who aren't arrogant and are hungry to perform for the country. Insha-Allah.

 

[Saj]

Hasan Ali is a limited bowler who won't ever reach world class standards

Ceiling for other bowlers, namely Amir, is on a different level to Hasan's

Limited or not. At the moment he looks the best of the bunch while the so-called superstars get smashed to all parts.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Yes he is a great selection.

Need 2 more to replace Amir and Junaid.

 

[Ellipsism]

Hasan Ali is a limited bowler who won't ever reach world class standards

Ceiling for other bowlers, namely Amir, is on a different level to Hasan's

Limited in what sense?