"If I was a player in this squad, I would have refused to play with this team": Aaqib Javed

[MenInG]

"If I was a player in this squad, I would have refused to play with this team": Aaqib Javed

Aaqib Javed asked about Pakistan's performances against Afghanistan

"I am not sure what sort of experiment this was; It's clear to me that no consideration was taken when selecting the squad for this series about what standards of skill and fitness levels are needed for representing Pakistan"

"If I was a player in this squad, I would have refused to play with this team; First attain some level of fitness before playing, hopefully they will learn from this"

 

[Energy]

So this is the same Aqib that has been getting praises in the other thread. Lol.

I've been quite consistent with my stance, that Aqib is not the right coaching material, hence he wasn't considered good enough while coaching UAE. His comment here is in very poor taste an undermines the effort that the PCB is putting in to groom younger players. Best PSL performers were selected.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Aaqib Javed asked about Pakistan's performances against Afghanistan

"I am not sure what sort of experiment this was; It's clear to me that no consideration was taken when selecting the squad for this series about what standards of skill and fitness levels are needed for representing Pakistan"

"If I was a player in this squad, I would have refused to play with this team; First attain some level of fitness before playing, hopefully they will learn from this"

It was about developing options and bench strength. If people went purely on results, than Aaquib himself would probably be out of a job after the first four banter years of LQ.

 

[shujaatraza]

Not sure why he is complaining now. He was against Babar and Rizwan for a while now and they both didn’t play this series. His own boy Abdullah got 2 ducks in the series. The only person I could think he is indicating is would be Azam Khan.

 

[Rana]

So this is the same Aqib that has been getting praises in the other thread. Lol.

I've been quite consistent with my stance, that Aqib is not the right coaching material, hence he wasn't considered good enough while coaching UAE. His comment here is in very poor taste an undermines the effort that the PCB is putting in to groom younger players. Best PSL performers were selected.

Who cares about your stance? Sameen Rana? Or the two PSL titles care?

 

[Energy]

Who cares about your stance? Sameen Rana? Or the two PSL titles care?

You care enough to quote, lol. Aqib has knocked out your heavenly praises for him last week. He's made you look like a tool to be honest.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Who cares about your stance? Sameen Rana? Or the two PSL titles care?

So he doesn’t want Babar or Rizwan. And given this statement, he doesn’t want any new players in the squad because of the skill and fitness levels (including his own player Abdullah Shafique).

Does sound like he wants to draw attention to himself without providing any reasonable solutions.

But two PSL titles, having drafted exceptional talents like Shaheen and Rashid Khan suddenly makes him a visionary.

 

[PakEngFan]

Talking rubbish as usual.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Read between the lines.

Its a dig at Azam Khan and only Azam Khan.

 

[Rana]

You care enough to quote, lol. Aqib has knocked out your heavenly praises for him last week. He's made you look like a tool to be honest.

I don’t get it, what exactly has he said that’s wrong?

He knows the game better than you do. So what’s your issue with him?

 

[moghul]

Yor're giving the most important job of keeping the wicktet to a very unfit guy just because he cannot field in outfield while you have a far better keeper in the side. For God sake, you'r eplaying international cricket and not the mohallah cricket, Aqib is right here.

 

[gazza619]

A day of shame for Moin, Azam & Sethi.

 

[Rana]

Yor're giving the most important job of keeping the wicktet to a very unfit guy just because he cannot field in outfield while you have a far better keeper in the side. For God sake, you'r eplaying international cricket and not the mohallah cricket, Aqib is right here.

What do you expect from Pakistan? They are giving the most important batting position (number 3) to everyone in the country but to the person who should be batting at that number

 

[gazza619]

What do you expect from Pakistan? They are giving the most important batting position (number 3) to everyone in the country but to the person who should be batting at that number

Who is your number 3?

 

[Rana]

Who is your number 3?

Babar Azam

Babar Azam

And Babar Azam

 

[gazza619]

Babar Azam

Babar Azam

And Babar Azam

I agree, makes sense. But he himself doesnt want to give up the opening spot it seems.

 

[Rana]

I agree, makes sense. But he himself doesnt want to give up the opening spot it seems.

So he shouldn’t be captain

Nor should it any one of Rizwan, Shadab or Shaheen who will not make him play at 3

The only one that will make him play at 3 or not play at all is Imad Wasim. He doesn’t care about upsetting Babar or his fanatics

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

So he shouldn’t be captain

Nor should it any one of Rizwan, Shadab or Shaheen who will not make him play at 3

The only one that will make him play at 3 or not play at all is Imad Wasim. He doesn’t care about upsetting Babar or his fanatics

Babar has been doing some interesting stuff in his time away from the team. He’s taken up golf and he’s started to do gym work. Maybe he’s taking on the Hafeez 3.0 recipe to better his power hitting.

If that actually brings a marked improvement, then he probably will bat at three.

In any case, I believe that Mickey will try him at 3, because he’s stated so in analyst interviews.

 

[Rana]

Babar has been doing some interesting stuff in his time away from the team. He’s taken up golf and he’s started to do gym work. Maybe he’s taking on the Hafeez 3.0 recipe to better his power hitting.

If that actually brings a marked improvement, then he probably will bat at three.

In any case, I believe that Mickey will try him at 3, because he’s stated so in analyst interviews.

Things have changed a lot since Mickey was out. Player power is at extreme levels now. It is near impossible, almost blasphemous to make certain players do things that their group of fans do not want to see them do.

Babar’s die hard fanatics do not want to see him not open. Same as Rizwan. They know that these could be career threatening changes to these two players. This isn’t the same, powerless Babar Azam who isn’t going to debate with Mickey. This is the Babar Azam who told Wasim Akram (the 2nd most iconic cricketer in our history) that he will not bat at 3.

Best of luck Mickey

 

[daytrader]

What do you expect from Pakistan? They are giving the most important batting position (number 3) to everyone in the country but to the person who should be batting at that number

Babar is the country's #1 batter. If he feels he can contribute more as an opener than at 3 then that's his decision. You certainly do not know the game better than he does so it doesn't matter where you think he should bat

 

[zarak]

Things have changed a lot since Mickey was out. Player power is at extreme levels now. It is near impossible, almost blasphemous to make certain players do things that their group of fans do not want to see them do.

Babar’s die hard fanatics do not want to see him not open. Same as Rizwan. They know that these could be career threatening changes to these two players. This isn’t the same, powerless Babar Azam who isn’t going to debate with Mickey. This is the Babar Azam who told Wasim Akram (the 2nd most iconic cricketer in our history) that he will not bat at 3.

Best of luck Mickey

I don't think he has the game for #3.

Its either open or out of the team. Doull calling him the best #3 is a joke, its only relevant to ODIs. The guy has a mediocre power game. I would rather see him open like he did in the PSL make 35 of 20 and get out.

 

[Rana]

Babar is the country's #1 batter. If he feels he can contribute more as an opener than at 3 then that's his decision. You certainly do not know the game better than he does so it doesn't matter where you think he should bat

Oh I know this game better than Babar does. I don’t bat better than him but I know this game better than he does for sure

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

I don't think he has the game for #3.

It’s either open or out of the team. Doull calling him the best #3 is a joke, it’s only relevant to ODIs. The guy has a mediocre power game. I would rather see him open like he did in the PSL make 35 of 20 and get out.

But do you not think the power game aspect can be improved? Hafeez was never a power hitter early in his career, but he completely redefined himself in his late 30s

 

[daytrader]

Oh I know this game better than Babar does. I don’t bat better than him but I know this game better than he does for sure

And that's God's honest truth lol bas kar de bro

 

[zarak]

But do you not think the power game aspect can be improved? Hafeez was never a power hitter early in his career, but he completely redefined himself in his late 30s

For sure. At his best, Babar is the type of guy that can go risk free at 160 in the powerplay, like he consistently did in the PSL. I would like to see the PSL Babar in internationals, and I do not mind him opening. But to put him at number 3 would waste his touch play.

 

[Rana]

And that's God's honest truth lol bas kar de bro

Like what are you trying to argue?

There are u19 captains in England who understand cricket better than Babar Azam does. It’s not very difficult. He doesn’t have a cricketing brain. I’m not saying that me knowing this game better than he does is a Nobel prize worthy credentials. It’s really not too difficult to know this game better than him. It really isn’t

 

[daytrader]

Like what are you trying to argue?

There are u19 captains in England who understand cricket better than Babar Azam does. It’s not very difficult. He doesn’t have a cricketing brain. I’m not saying that me knowing this game better than he does is a Nobel prize worthy credentials. It’s really not too difficult to know this game better than him. It really isn’t

I like your confidence. But your credentials are pale compared to the #1 batter in the country who's been playing since under 15. He's living and breathing cricket, makes his livelihood from it yet he doesn't have a cricketing brain. Mere bhai that's all he knows. His technique is referenced to when they teach cricket to those under 19 captains. It's like saying a BSC student knows the theory of relativity better than Einstein.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

For sure. At his best, Babar is the type of guy that can go risk free at 160 in the powerplay, like he consistently did in the PSL. I would like to see the PSL Babar in internationals, and I do not mind him opening. But to put him at number 3 would waste his touch play.

Perhaps. But if he does work on his power game and improves it, there’s no better time to experiment with him at 3 than the series against NZ B.

 

[MenInG]

This thread about Aaqib and his statement and whether he is consistent or just mouthing off.

Stick to it please.

 

[gazza619]

The only one that will make him play at 3 or not play at all is Imad Wasim. He doesn’t care about upsetting Babar or his fanatics

That is music to my ears

 

[Kianig89]

Aaqib is right the squad was an insult to not only Pakistan Cricket but International cricket with such heavy physique players what message is being sent to aspirants continue like couch potato and when you will be selected

 

[Saj]

Not everyone will like what he's said but he is right about some of the players and the fitness levels of some of the players for the series against Afghanistan.

 

[TeymurBlake]

In terms of fitness, yes he has a point. Fitness and fielding are to norms of cricket.

The point I don't get with Aaqib here is, this is the series and time to experiment with the Pakistan team. The next T20WC isn't until next year. Giving some younger, newer players the opportunity if fruitful for Pakistan.

 

[Kroll]

Of course Aaqib, of course we believe you.

 

[davethebrave]

Do you think the West Indians are worried about the ‘fitness’ of bowler Sheldon Cottrell? Rovman Powell or Odean Smith, I wonder why they can hit the ball a long way notwithstanding the lack of long levers. I see nobody is pointing to their weight of the decidedly chubby Rashid Khan who seems, as a bowler, to be able to hit the ball a fair way….hmmm…..I wonder why…. are the Afghanistan supporters going ballistic about his ‘fitness’? Are the Sri Lankans up in arms about Bhanuka Rajapaksa?

How did Andy Ruiz manage to beat Anthony Joshua? If hadn’t eaten 10,000 burritos between fights he would have beaten him again.

Let’s quit the virtue signalling, even with the new blood there’s no way a country like Afghanistan, recovering from decades of war and not even an established cricketing nation should be beating you. The issue is a blatant lack of skill, not a lack of fitness. You’ve taken a generation of cricketers, destroyed their natural game, wrecked their bowling actions, put them in the gym and told them that they must do what the laptop says and you wonder why you’re going the same way as you have with hockey/squash. You’ve taken all their natural strengths, destroyed them and made them obsess over something that not only has no meaningful impact on their game, it has destroyed it. They’re spending the time they could have on developing their bowling and batting skills and transferred it to largely useless gym work, making themselves more injury prone in the process. You are never going to be able to compete with the major teams on fitness, nor is it going to benefit you. They can lose weight and still retain power as they are, on average, taller than you.

 

[gazza619]

Why do u wanna pay $25k a month to online coach Mickey Arthur, when you can get a masterful Aquib Javed at $10k.

 

[zarak]

Do you think the West Indians are worried about the ‘fitness’ of bowler Sheldon Cottrell? Rovman Powell or Odean Smith, I wonder why they can hit the ball a long way notwithstanding the lack of long levers. I see nobody is pointing to their weight of the decidedly chubby Rashid Khan who seems, as a bowler, to be able to hit the ball a fair way….hmmm…..I wonder why…. are the Afghanistan supporters going ballistic about his ‘fitness’? Are the Sri Lankans up in arms about Bhanuka Rajapaksa?

How did Andy Ruiz manage to beat Anthony Joshua? If hadn’t eaten 10,000 burritos between fights he would have beaten him again.

Let’s quit the virtue signalling, even with the new blood there’s no way a country like Afghanistan, recovering from decades of war and not even an established cricketing nation should be beating you. The issue is a blatant lack of skill, not a lack of fitness. You’ve taken a generation of cricketers, destroyed their natural game, wrecked their bowling actions, put them in the gym and told them that they must do what the laptop says and you wonder why you’re going the same way as you have with hockey/squash. You’ve taken all their natural strengths, destroyed them and made them obsess over something that not only has no meaningful impact on their game, it has destroyed it. They’re spending the time they could have on developing their bowling and batting skills and transferred it to largely useless gym work, making themselves more injury prone in the process. You are never going to be able to compete with the major teams on fitness, nor is it going to benefit you. They can lose weight and still retain power as they are, on average, taller than you.

Yes Okay. But can we expect our keeper to not leak 10-15 runs a game. There is a difference between looking fit and being functionally fit. All those players you mentioned are fit enough to perform their roles. They can move fast enough and are not liabilities in the field. We do not need Azam to emerge with six packs, but we need him to not leak runs and move fast enough to prevent byes.

Probably that would involve that he shed a few pounds. You mention Romvan Powerll. I think he ran 100 meters under 11 seconds in his college. Can hardly compare him to Azam.

 

[davethebrave]

Yes Okay. But can we expect our keeper to not leak 10-15 runs a game. There is a difference between looking fit and being functionally fit. All those players you mentioned are fit enough to perform their roles. They can move fast enough and are not liabilities in the field. We do not need Azam to emerge with six packs, but we need him to not leak runs and move fast enough to prevent byes.

Probably that would involve that he shed a few pounds. You mention Romvan Powerll. I think he ran 100 meters under 11 seconds in his college. Can hardly compare him to Azam.

You’re missing the point, I’m not disagreeing with you for the most part. I very much doubt Rovman Powell could get anywhere near 11 seconds now, by the way. I would prefer it if he lost a bit of the excess around his waist, so long as he maintained his overall body mass to maintain hitting power, but that is clearly not what the vast majority of insecure individuals slating him are getting at, they’re just bullying him for his weight, think he’s an easy target to pick on and want to virtue signal to the masses, particularly those outside Pakistan, about how fitness conscious they are and have no idea of the damage their suggestions would cause and have caused.

He’s a special case as is, to a certain extent, Umar Akmal in that regard. I am getting at why there is this destructive and extreme emphasis on so-called fitness all the time, play the game your own way and stop taking orders from those foreign coaches outside who don’t know how to operate within your domestic culture to get the best out of your players. All you’ve achieved with this apparent obsession with ‘fitness’ is to spend excess time in the gym, spend far less time actually bowling/batting and developing those core skills, hammering your adrenal glands on the useless treadmill, overtraining and losing your protective layer of fat, causing more oxidative stress/free radical production, increasing the likelihood of injury, losing your hitting power with ‘generation short and skinny’ and all for for no benefit; your national performances have nosedived since you decided to abandon your domestic greats such as Javed Miandad for coaching roles, those who actually know what works in the middle. I’ve seen very few Pakistani cricketers who were not ‘functionally fit’ in any era, even Ehteshamuddin could bowl adequately; in fact, I totally agree with your ‘functionally fit’ terminology and that is all it need be, it seems many on here use it as a mantra to gain credibility.

So please, don’t pretend I’m an advocate for big and chubby or patronise me with what you think is some great insight that I haven’t considered. He certainly is not leaking 10-15 runs per game, that’s a caricature.

 

[Zaz]

Who cares about your stance? Sameen Rana? Or the two PSL titles care?

You were all for unfit players like sharjeel and azam khan playing for pakistan because they are supposedly big hitters and now you are defending aaqib?

Make your mind up You stance shifts every few days on here

 

[Rana]

You were all for unfit players like sharjeel and azam khan playing for pakistan because they are supposedly big hitters and now you are defending aaqib?

Make your mind up You stance shifts every few days on here

All the coaches in PSL rate Sharjeel Khan. Lots of them like Azam too for what he offers

Aqib is allowed to say what he wants. He has 2 back to back PSL titles

Let that sink in

 

[MenInG]

All the coaches in PSL rate Sharjeel Khan. Lots of them like Azam too for what he offers

Aqib is allowed to say what he wants. He has 2 back to back PSL titles

Let that sink in

No the question is more about you own credibility.

No one is questioning Aaqib. What we are amazed by is that the person who you said knows everything is now expressing views you dont stand for.

 

[Rana]

No the question is more about you own credibility.

No one is questioning Aaqib. What we are amazed by is that the person who you said knows everything is now expressing views you dont stand for.

If an ex pro has a strong stance against obese players, what can I say? I hate you because o think the obese player is useful?

If an ex pro has a strong stance against fixers who have done their time, what can I say? I hate you because you feel disrespected in their presence?

It’s their opinion on cricket. Azam should have scored runs and I’m sure he wouldn’t attract strong opposition

 

[MenInG]

If an ex pro has a strong stance against obese players, what can I say? I hate you because o think the obese player is useful?

If an ex pro has a strong stance against fixers who have done their time, what can I say? I hate you because you feel disrespected in their presence?

It’s their opinion on cricket. Azam should have scored runs and I’m sure he wouldn’t attract strong opposition

Bro

You know what we are all saying. You want people to spell out how silly you look now.

You were telling us that Aaqib knows what he is talking about when many of us told you otherwise. You then are now insisting that what he has just said about the squad - the one that you would see lose a million times because you like it - which is that it was selected on the wrong basis.

What does that say about you own judgement? This is the issue not Aaqib.

 

[gazza619]

If I was Pakistan PM, I would make Aquib Javed as Head Coach, and Simon Doull his assistant.

Honestly guys that would be one tasty prospect. It would be like judgement day.

 

[Zaz]

Bro

You know what we are all saying. You want people to spell out how silly you look now.

You were telling us that Aaqib knows what he is talking about when many of us told you otherwise. You then are now insisting that what he has just said about the squad - the one that you would see lose a million times because you like it - which is that it was selected on the wrong basis.

What does that say about you own judgement? This is the issue not Aaqib.

"All the coaches in PSL rate sharjeel" and so do you even though hes a convicted fixer and overweight and unfit

You want him playing for pakistan but he couldnt get a gig in PSL and was dropped by karachi kings

Rana also wants rizwan dropped from the t20 team and babar dropped as captain with asif ali made captain and opening?

 

[Rana]

Still respect Aqib Javed. When you win 2 back to back PSLs, you can say whatever you want

 

[Slim]

I feel like this could be a misquote as he was speaking with context to Azam Khan’s pathetic fitness and not a comment on the overall squad. I saw the interview live.

 

[MenInG]

I feel like this could be a misquote as he was speaking with context to Azam Khan’s pathetic fitness and not a comment on the overall squad. I saw the interview live.

He did not mention Azam, question did not have Azam name

 

[pakistani pride]

He is right. How was it possible they pick a player like Azam Khan. He does not deserve to play for Pak team.

 

[MenInG]

He did not mention Azam, question did not have Azam name

Here is the video

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[reversehook]

aqib bhai trying to sit on a high horse while he stands next to a spot fixing captain.... wow... jee o jawaana, chak k rakho... sabh k sabh cartoon hain... jo dil mein aata hai bol deitay hain...

 

[zarak]

Salman looks really uncomfortable and he is quite a confident guy.

 

[shariqnoor]

You were all for unfit players like sharjeel and azam khan playing for pakistan because they are supposedly big hitters and now you are defending aaqib?

Make your mind up You stance shifts every few days on here

It's because his stance depends on who he likes and who he dislikes.

Aqib Javed is allowed to say whatever he wants to say because he's won 2 PSL titles. But Misbah-ul-Haq is not allowed to say whatever he wants to say. Hasn't he won 2 PSL titles as captain?

There is no set stance for him. It's just based on likes/dislikes.

 

[Rana]

Aqib Bhai ne keh diya

Sau keh diya!

2 back to back PSL titles.

“We don’t try to get Babar out”.

Zindabad Aqib Javed

 

[ammar_merry]

Aqib Bhai ne keh diya

Sau keh diya!

2 back to back PSL titles.

“We don’t try to get Babar out”.

Zindabad Aqib Javed

Anderson: I’ll pay double for him [Babar Azam]. I’ll spend the whole budget on Babar Azam.

 

[MenInG]

Aqib Bhai ne keh diya

Sau keh diya!

2 back to back PSL titles.

“We don’t try to get Babar out”.

Zindabad Aqib Javed

Yes and the same Aaqib Bhai told us that the Pakistan squad for the Afghanistan series was a waste of time. Suggest you take Aaqib's pronouncements with a pinch of salt. Depends on who he's trying to please and when.