If Pakistan accepts hybrid model for Champions trophy 2025, will India's stance on Pak sponsored terrorism will be vindicated?

[Rajdeep]

Just today Home Minister Amit Shah said there is no question of any diplomacy with Pakistan unless the terrorism stops.

It is for this very reason, BCCI wants India matches for upcoming CT in neutral venues as they don't want its team to visit the country that sends insurgents to kill Indians. I am not going into BCCIs hypocrisy because I know it exists. However, roughly this is the stance due to which India don't want to play in Pakistan.

So if PCB agree with BCCIs demands and accepts the hybrid model, will it be an admission of India's claim that Pak is a terrorist state?

I know PCB need to look into their pockets as well but they must be careful on the actual message it will send out by accepting Hybrid model.

 

[Rajdeep]

@FearlessRoar @The Bald Eagle - if this thread belongs to cricket section, pls feel free to move.

Also, if possible pls add a poll. Thank you.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

BCCI wants India matches for upcoming CT in neutral venues as they don't want its team to visit the country that sends insurgents to kill Indians.

BCCI doesn’t want or the Indian Government?

 

[Major]

terrorism, no terrorism it doesnt matter.

Indian nationalism depends upon hating Pakistan, this hate is further fuelled by such gimmicks of deciding to not tour or trying to force a hybrid venue.

BJP's stance against Pakistan is well known, and 2008 mumbai attacks dont really change that.

The fact that they still play Pakistan, just shows that they dont have issue with playing against us, because by not sending a team they are able to milk enough propoganda to spread in their country.

Thus, the whole topic dies down.

 

[Rajdeep]

BCCI doesn’t want or the Indian Government?

Same thing brother, Home Minister Amit Shah and his son Jay Shah is BCCI head

 

[Cricket Warrior]

@FearlessRoar @The Bald Eagle - if this thread belongs to cricket section, pls feel free to move.

Also, if possible pls add a poll. Thank you.

poll added and thread moved to CF

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Just today Home Minister Amit Shah said there is no question of any diplomacy with Pakistan unless the terrorism stops.

It is for this very reason, BCCI wants India matches for upcoming CT in neutral venues as they don't want its team to visit the country that sends insurgents to kill Indians. I am not going into BCCIs hypocrisy because I know it exists. However, roughly this is the stance due to which India don't want to play in Pakistan.

So if PCB agree with BCCIs demands and accepts the hybrid model, will it be an admission of India's claim that Pak is a terrorist state?

I know PCB need to look into their pockets as well but they must be careful on the actual message it will send out by accepting Hybrid model.

PCB has no self respect or spine. It will be a surprise if they show one now and get India out of CT and host the tournament. In reality like Asia cup they will roll over for some Dollary Doos.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

BCCI doesn’t want or the Indian Government?

Same same but different..
For PCB, no money no honey

 

[Rajdeep]

ICC is sitting on a massive loss after the USA T20 WC. So not having India in Champions Trophy meaning another loss incurring tournament. India on the other hand don't want to play in Pakistan citing terrorism charges.

Hmmm...this is very tricky situation for PCB. Should they host a non-profitable ICC event by ousting India from it or accept India's stance of terrorism and host a money making tournament in neutral venue.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

If the Indian government doesn’t want to send their cricketers to a country that sends terrorists into their country then they shouldn’t have sent their tennis players and athletes from other sports to play in Pakistan.

 

[Mohraheem]

They should restore relationship in between! Misbah sold his country in t20 2007 I think… so what’s the matter now

 

[Major]

If the Indian government doesn’t want to send their cricketers to a country that sends terrorists into their country then they shouldn’t have sent their tennis players and athletes from other sports to play in Pakistan.

Tennis players from india go to pakistan, their olympic athele stands to the Pakistani anthem(thank god pakistan didnt had to), but no, if the cricket team doesnt go to pakistan than that means pakistan is a terrorist state


The logic just dies

 

[BouncerGuy]

If the Indian government doesn’t want to send their cricketers to a country that sends terrorists into their country then they shouldn’t have sent their tennis players and athletes from other sports to play in Pakistan.

exactly. Or maybe they think that only cricketers are human beings and rest are just nothing.

 

[NishanKonar]

exactly. Or maybe they think that only cricketers are human beings and rest are just nothing.

More about imposing economic costs. Tennis events between 2 nations brings no money. Cricket brings lot of money. India current policy is to bully Pakistan by squeezing their economy. Like banning trade, asking USA to create hurdles at IMF, ask Saudis & UAE to stop giving free lunches, using FATF grey listing to restrict access to financial markets. Banning cricket tours / events fall in the same ambit - everyone knows an India tour is a financial windfall

 

[dravidthewall]

Can anybody from pak tell me what's the current situation of terrorism in pak?.Is it neutralized or still some left.

 

[NishanKonar]

Can anybody from pak tell me what's the current situation of terrorism in pak?.Is it neutralized or still some left.

There is a raging insurgency in Baluchistan & Waziristan but the cricket venues are in areas which are relatively less affected till now - except for stray incidents

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan will continue to support the resistance in Kashmir . India can come & play ludo or not , it makes no difference.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If the Indian government doesn’t want to send their cricketers to a country that sends terrorists into their country then they shouldn’t have sent their tennis players and athletes from other sports to play in Pakistan.

There is no national tennis players team.

And the baseball team and its association's recognition as a National Sports Federation is in doubt.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan will continue to support the resistance in Kashmir . India can come & play ludo or not , it makes no difference.

Pakistan has become bankrupt supporting terrorists in Kashmir.

Btw when will pakistanis show resistance to their rights being trampled upon in Pakistan by the establishment?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan has become bankrupt supporting terrorists in Kashmir.

Btw when will pakistanis show resistance to their rights being trampled upon in Pakistan by the establishment?

It’s morally obliged to help people under brutal occupation.

India thinks Pakistan will stop supporting freedom if Hardish Pandya comes to play cricket lol

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Just today Home Minister Amit Shah said there is no question of any diplomacy with Pakistan unless the terrorism stops.

It is for this very reason, BCCI wants India matches for upcoming CT in neutral venues as they don't want its team to visit the country that sends insurgents to kill Indians. I am not going into BCCIs hypocrisy because I know it exists. However, roughly this is the stance due to which India don't want to play in Pakistan.

So if PCB agree with BCCIs demands and accepts the hybrid model, will it be an admission of India's claim that Pak is a terrorist state?

I know PCB need to look into their pockets as well but they must be careful on the actual message it will send out by accepting Hybrid model.

Some crazy logic at work here.

When Russian athletes participate in the Olympics under a neutral flag does it mean they accept Russia is commiting war crimes?

After accepting being booted out of the Asian Football Federation does Israel accept it doesn't have a right to exist?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It’s simple.

We cannot have a diplomatic relationship with a country which trains and uses Islamic terrorists to destabilise Bharat and by that same rule we cannot send our cricket team there.

I love the regular Pakistani people but they must stand up against their leaders who will never allow peace between them and us.

 

[RexRex]

Pakistan will continue to support the resistance in Kashmir .

That's okay .. you can keep them in your prayers but don't funnel them any money and arms.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It’s simple.

We cannot have a diplomatic relationship with a country which trains and uses Islamic terrorists to destabilise Bharat and by that same rule we cannot send our cricket team there.

I love the regular Pakistani people but they must stand up against their leaders who will never allow peace between them and us.

But you don’t mind Pakistani team coming to India for icc trophy , while showing them hospitality . Pls explain the difference?

 

[FearlessRoar]

Just today Home Minister Amit Shah said there is no question of any diplomacy with Pakistan unless the terrorism stops.

It is for this very reason, BCCI wants India matches for upcoming CT in neutral venues as they don't want its team to visit the country that sends insurgents to kill Indians. I am not going into BCCIs hypocrisy because I know it exists. However, roughly this is the stance due to which India don't want to play in Pakistan.

So if PCB agree with BCCIs demands and accepts the hybrid model, will it be an admission of India's claim that Pak is a terrorist state?

I know PCB need to look into their pockets as well but they must be careful on the actual message it will send out by accepting Hybrid model.

Oh yes, you've raised a very good point here. If Pakistan accepts the hybrid model, it means Pakistan is acknowledging that it's not safe for sports. Meanwhile, I think this will also be a diplomatic failure for the ICC to propagate cricket globally and keep politics away from cricket affairs.

 

[Bhaijaan]

But you don’t mind Pakistani team coming to India for icc trophy , while showing them hospitality . Pls explain the difference?

I was not in favour of it.

Ideally Pakistan team should have refused to come. But if they sent their team, they are our guests and we have history of being welcoming people. Sanatan’s legacy cannot be compromised.

 

[NishanKonar]

It’s morally obliged to help people under brutal occupation.

India thinks Pakistan will stop supporting freedom if Hardish Pandya comes to play cricket lol

Pakistan has mostly stopped supporting Kashmir movement. Their leaders will make some noise once in while at the UN or OIC conferences but for all practical purposes the movement gets no logistical support. Sensible thing to do , given Pakistan's economic wores. No way Pakistan will risk FATF grey listing & IMF bailout by supporting terror groups while its economic troubles mount

 

[NishanKonar]

I was not in favour of it.

Ideally Pakistan team should have refused to come. But if they sent their team, they are our guests and we have history of being welcoming people. Sanatan’s legacy cannot be compromised.

Ideally Pakistan should reciprocate & refuse to play in India unless India plays in Pakistan. That's the honorable thing to do. But that's not happening bcoz as Ramiz Raja said Indian money keeps Pakistan cricket afloat !

 

[Bhaijaan]

Ideally Pakistan should reciprocate & refuse to play in India unless India plays in Pakistan. That's the honorable thing to do. But that's not happening bcoz as Ramiz Raja said Indian money keeps Pakistan cricket afloat !

Pakistanis generally lack honour because of a lack of a clear national identity and hence a non existent national pride.

 

[RexRex]

Tennis players from india go to pakistan, their olympic athele stands to the Pakistani anthem(thank god pakistan didnt had to), but no, if the cricket team doesnt go to pakistan than that means pakistan is a terrorist state


The logic just dies

There is logic in it. Tennis and javelin doesn't have the same popularity as cricket does in both countries, so India can only use the latter as a means of enforcing behavior control.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

There is no national tennis players team.

And the baseball team and its association's recognition as a National Sports Federation is in doubt.

What team came to Pakistan for the Davis Cup?

The point is, if you’re going to say that we’re not sending our team to a country that kills our people then don’t send your tennis players as well. It’s just hypocrisy and nothing else.

 

[dubeTheGoat]

What team came to Pakistan for the Davis Cup?

The point is, if you’re going to say that we’re not sending our team to a country that kills our people then don’t send your tennis players as well. It’s just hypocrisy and nothing else.

To be fair, the Davis Cup team was a second string squad with our mainstay - Sumit Nagal not being included. It's also in World Group II so low stakes due to which the government permitted as it is barely popular.

 

[HalBass9]

Honestly, why are we even discussing this? Any sane person with a grip on reality wouldn’t waste a nanosecond entertaining such nonsense.

Modi doesn’t want to send cricketers to Pakistan, not because of some strategic genius plan, but because he's playing to his local fan club, a.k.a. the Muslim hating Hindutva Cult. This crowd needs their leader to look like he's "reclaiming India from Muslim invaders" (yes, I know how absurd that sounds). And what better way to flex that tough guy image than by not playing cricket in Pakistan? Genius move! It's the political equivalent of putting on sunglasses and pretending you're cool. Oh, and get this, it's selective, Other sports? Yeah, they can hop on over to Pakistan no problem. But cricket? Absolutely not. That’s where the line is drawn.

And let's not forget the cult members who see the hypocrisy but are so brainwashed they won’t dare question the grand overlord. Instead, they invent creative excuses, and boy, do they get creative. The mental gymnastics are Olympic level.

It’s like Modi’s standing at the border, cricket bat in hand, single handedly defending India from the horror of Pakistani bowlers. The cult cheers, they applaud, and they'll buy this act faster than you can say “propaganda.” But please don’t expect the rest of the world to fall for this charade.

And then we’ve got the folks here who seem to think that if India plays a single match in Pakistan, poof, all of Pakistan’s debt will magically vanish overnight, like some kind of cricket based economic miracle. Calm down, self importance squad. You're not that important.

 

[RexRex]

And then we’ve got the folks here who seem to think that if India plays a single match in Pakistan, poof, all of Pakistan’s debt will magically vanish overnight, like some kind of cricket based economic miracle. Calm down, self importance squad. You're not that important.

It isn't indian posters here who said it. It was your former PCB president Ramiz Raja. To quote him -

"In a way India's business houses are running Pakistan cricket and if tomorrow the Indian PM decides he will not allow any funding to Pakistan, this cricket board can collapse."

 

[Rajdeep]

Honestly, why are we even discussing this? Any sane person with a grip on reality wouldn’t waste a nanosecond entertaining such nonsense.

Modi doesn’t want to send cricketers to Pakistan, not because of some strategic genius plan, but because he's playing to his local fan club, a.k.a. the Muslim hating Hindutva Cult. This crowd needs their leader to look like he's "reclaiming India from Muslim invaders" (yes, I know how absurd that sounds). And what better way to flex that tough guy image than by not playing cricket in Pakistan? Genius move! It's the political equivalent of putting on sunglasses and pretending you're cool. Oh, and get this, it's selective, Other sports? Yeah, they can hop on over to Pakistan no problem. But cricket? Absolutely not. That’s where the line is drawn.

And let's not forget the cult members who see the hypocrisy but are so brainwashed they won’t dare question the grand overlord. Instead, they invent creative excuses, and boy, do they get creative. The mental gymnastics are Olympic level.

It’s like Modi’s standing at the border, cricket bat in hand, single handedly defending India from the horror of Pakistani bowlers. The cult cheers, they applaud, and they'll buy this act faster than you can say “propaganda.” But please don’t expect the rest of the world to fall for this charade.

And then we’ve got the folks here who seem to think that if India plays a single match in Pakistan, poof, all of Pakistan’s debt will magically vanish overnight, like some kind of cricket based economic miracle. Calm down, self importance squad. You're not that important.

It was Manmohan Singh govt that banned cricket ties after Pakistan decided to send terrorists to Mumbai and kill 120 innocent people.

If anything, it was BJP govt under Atal Vihari Bajpayee that resumed cricket ties with Pakistan back in 2004 even after Pakistan did Kargil and Kandahar plane hijacking few years ago.

It was Modi that went to Pakistan in 2016 to resume diplomatic ties, only for Pakistan to reciprocate with Uri terrorist attacks.

India regularly plays cricket with Bangladesh, Afghanistan plays all its home cricket in Noida, IPL picks Muslim players from all countries bar anyone holding Pakistani passport. So the issue is the country Pakistan and not Muslim's per se. What more Muslim proof you want after Javed Akhtar went in a Pak tv show and schooled Pakistan for sending terrorists to kill Indians. Just like how Asaduddin Owaisi schooled few Pakistani maulana's before.

Indian cricket team always have fair representation of Muslim players, however not a single minority players play for Pakistan. The ones that do, either forced to get converted or face mis treatment. So don't dare to make it a muslim-hindu issue, it is an issue only with Pakistan. Now before you say it is a discrimination against a particular country, of course it is just like how in Pakistani passport it is written it is applicable to all countries except Israel. Similarly India's stance is diplomatic relationship with all countries except Pakistan.

Modi got the highest civilian award from UAE govt and Seoul peace prize. If world take the claims of Pakistani's seriously, they would term Modi as Islamophobe by now. However we all know the reputation of Pakistani's around the world.

Pakistan may not be able to clear all its debts but PCB will make big profit with India series. If anything, it is BCCI that indirectly funds PCB & Pak cricket. It is not my words but said by your ex PCB chairman Ramiz Raja.

The only valid point you guys can raise is the hypocrisy of BCCI i.e why we play against Pakistan in ICC events but forget about jawans come bilateral. This is something I agree with and I genuinely hope either we play Pakistan everywhere or don't play at all. These picking and choosing makes us look bad.

So as a Pakistani, you should be raising your voice on this point more and more.

However if you divert this to Hindutva-Muslims issue or Modi propaganda etc, Rajdeep will become professor and take you to old school.

 

[RidiculousMan]

There's no message to send out. PCB is poor while BCCI is rich. They need the ICC's money to survive. They'll bend whichever way it's possible to continue receiving the share of the money pool.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I was not in favour of it.

Ideally Pakistan team should have refused to come. But if they sent their team, they are our guests and we have history of being welcoming people. Sanatan’s legacy cannot be compromised.

They have big hearts and are not narrow-minded.

 

[HalBass9]

It isn't indian posters here who said it. It was your former PCB president Ramiz Raja. To quote him -

"In a way India's business houses are running Pakistan cricket and if tomorrow the Indian PM decides he will not allow any funding to Pakistan, this cricket board can collapse."

You just reinforced my point. It is for only domestic consumption.

 

[RexRex]

You just reinforced my point. It is for only domestic consumption.

Or maybe there is truth to it. The truth is unpalatable for some people.

 

[RidiculousMan]

There is no national tennis players team.

And the baseball team and its association's recognition as a National Sports Federation is in doubt.

Yousuf made a valid point though. You'd have to agree with it. For a country. Every citizen's life should be equally as important as a Cricketer. Be it Tennis player or Basketball.

If Indian government is letting its people go to to Pakistan to participate in tournaments there. This either means that they don't value their lives as much as Cricketers, or they don't actually think they'll get hurt in Pakistan through terrorism.

 

[Hitman]

You just reinforced my point. It is for only domestic consumption.

Yea, what the then PCB Chief said was for domestic consumption. While what a random nobody from Pakistan like you says is a fact derived straight from an equation of physics.

 

[HalBass9]

Or maybe there is truth to it. The truth is unpalatable for some people.

Once again, you seem to be missing the point, whether intentionally or unintentionally.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India is suffering from semi civil war in Manipur, insurgents from Myanmar entering the country, border insecurity on Bangladeshi border and ongoing fighting with Naxals.

Add to this the ongoing Kashmir issue.

But there is never any introspection. They just accuse Pakistan of supporting terrorism and their population laps it up.

 

[deltexas]

Pakistan will continue to support the resistance in Kashmir . India can come & play ludo or not , it makes no difference.

What ludo lol? The ship has sailed. Article 370 done and dusted. But yeah let the pak establishment make merry lying to the pak public that they eill get back kashmir.. it's been 75 years now and they are still trying. Wake up and smell the coffee. An entire generation and the future of Pak has been destroyed becauee of this. But yeah go ahead..

 

[deltexas]

It’s morally obliged to help people under brutal occupation.

India thinks Pakistan will stop supporting freedom if Hardish Pandya comes to play cricket lol

Pak should first save their citizens and maybe free Uighurs first before all this lip service nonsense.. no moral ummah obligation here??

 

[deltexas]

But you don’t mind Pakistani team coming to India for icc trophy , while showing them hospitality . Pls explain the difference?

Difference is no one is forcing Pak to come. They can say no all day but no - they will shamelessly come every time every single time. And pcb will bend everytime before bcci. No offense but pcb is a puppet of bcci- they will simply do as the bcci says ..

 

[dravidthewall]

There is a raging insurgency in Baluchistan & Waziristan but the cricket venues are in areas which are relatively less affected till now - except for stray incidents

Thanks

 

[IMMY69]

There's no message to send out. PCB is poor while BCCI is rich. They need the ICC's money to survive. They'll bend whichever way it's possible to continue receiving the share of the money pool.

You were close.
BCCI is indeed rich but it's not the wealth (or lack of) of the PCB that is the issue.

The PCB, like its current government and the Establishment that runs it, couldn't give two hoots about anything other then filling it pockets and hanging onto power for as long as they can.

Meanwhile, India will never stop attacks from Pakistan because a hostile enemy keeps the establishment in situ.
If Kashmir wasn't an issue then trust me something else would be.

 

[HalBass9]

Yea, what the then PCB Chief said was for domestic consumption. While what a random nobody from Pakistan like you says is a fact derived straight from an equation of physics.

Many of the participants on this forum, yourself included, may not hold significant influence in the broader context.

However, the PCB Chief is right to call out India's selective approach and how cricket is being leveraged for domestic political gain, projecting a false sense of Hindutva bravado. After all, cricket is often seen as a second religion in India, right behind the reverence for Modi.

If Pakistan-sponsored terrorism were truly such a pressing concern, and if it genuinely impacted Pakistan’s economy, one would expect Modi Ji to take more substantive actions, such as cutting off financial channels. Instead, the focus has been limited to preventing the Indian cricket team from playing in Pakistan.

As I mentioned, it's all for domestic consumption.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That's okay .. you can keep them in your prayers but don't funnel them any money and a

I was not in favour of it.

Ideally Pakistan team should have refused to come. But if they sent their team, they are our guests and we have history of being welcoming people. Sanatan’s legacy cannot be compromised.

Difference is no one is forcing Pak to come. They can say no all day but no - they will shamelessly come every time every single time. And pcb will bend everytime before bcci. No offense but pcb is a puppet of bcci- they will simply do as the bcci says ..

Inviting someone to your home & then treating them with great hospitality who you claim are supporting killing your people is deranged .

Pakistan doesn’t care , they will play cricket with anyone , anywhere but continue its other policies.

The ball is always in Indian court .

Pakistan should say ok we’ll
Play you in Kashmir , your land isn’t it ?

 

[RidiculousMan]

You were close.
BCCI is indeed rich but it's not the wealth (or lack of) of the PCB that is the issue.

The PCB, like its current government and the Establishment that runs it, couldn't give two hoots about anything other then filling it pockets and hanging onto power for as long as they can.

Meanwhile, India will never stop attacks from Pakistan because a hostile enemy keeps the establishment in situ.
If Kashmir wasn't an issue then trust me something else would be.

Without ICC's revenue sharing the bureaucracy in PCB would have no money to eat

 

[Bhaijaan]

They have big hearts and are not narrow-minded.

Inviting someone to your home & then treating them with great hospitality who you claim are supporting killing your people is deranged .

Pakistan doesn’t care , they will play cricket with anyone , anywhere but continue its other policies.

The ball is always in Indian court .

Pakistan should say ok we’ll
Play you in Kashmir , your land isn’t it ?

Babar Azam is not a terrorist himself.
Being welcoming to him is not a disgrace.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What team came to Pakistan for the Davis Cup?

The point is, if you’re going to say that we’re not sending our team to a country that kills our people then don’t send your tennis players as well. It’s just hypocrisy and nothing else.

A team is assembled for Davis Cup only. There are no regular national team matches in Tennis. Its an ad-hoc arrangement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India is suffering from semi civil war in Manipur, insurgents from Myanmar entering the country, border insecurity on Bangladeshi border and ongoing fighting with Naxals.

Add to this the ongoing Kashmir issue.

But there is never any introspection. They just accuse Pakistan of supporting terrorism and their population laps it up.

What border insecurity with BD?

Kashmir issue is largely under control.

Meitei vs Kuki is a centuries old problem. Centuries. Every now and then Kukis try something only to be beaten back.

Pakistan is on record supporting terrorists in Kashmir whom they cal freedom fighters.

 

[RexRex]

Once again, you seem to be missing the point, whether intentionally or unintentionally.

What is the point I am missing here ? Do tell.

 

[RexRex]

India is suffering from semi civil war in Manipur, insurgents from Myanmar entering the country, border insecurity on Bangladeshi border and ongoing fighting with Naxals.

Add to this the ongoing Kashmir issue.

But there is never any introspection. They just accuse Pakistan of supporting terrorism and their population laps it up.

What does what is happening in Manipur have to do with Pakistan's involvement with Kashmir ? The two are completely different topics so I don't see the relevance here. Atleast make it make sense.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What does what is happening in Manipur have to do with Pakistan's involvement with Kashmir ? The two are completely different topics so I don't see the relevance here. Atleast make it make sense.

It doesn't make sense to you.

But your country is suffering from terrorism and internal violence on multiple spheres.

Yet the focus of your politicians is solely on alleged terrorism from Pakistan not their own actions that are ripping apart the fabric of your country on multiple lines.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What border insecurity with BD?

Kashmir issue is largely under control.

Meitei vs Kuki is a centuries old problem. Centuries. Every now and then Kukis try something only to be beaten back.

Pakistan is on record supporting terrorists in Kashmir whom they cal freedom fighters.

Amit Shah said unless terrorism stops implying that the situation with Kashmir is not under control. He is not saying his stance is based on past terrorist activity but present.

Which one is it ? Has terrorism stopped or not.

 

[RexRex]

It doesn't make sense to you.

But your country is suffering from terrorism and internal violence on multiple spheres.

Yet the focus of your politicians is solely on alleged terrorism from Pakistan not their own actions that are ripping apart the fabric of your country on multiple lines.

But the topic is about Pakistan and why India refuses to play cricket with them - and the reason is terrorism emanating from Pak. That has nothing do with Manipur, a domestic matter. How are the two linked ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

But the topic is about Pakistan and why India refuses to play cricket with them - and the reason is terrorism emanating from Pak. That has nothing do with Manipur, a domestic matter. How are the two linked ?

The link is the fixation of Indian government on Pakistan only.

 

[RexRex]

The link is the fixation of Indian government on Pakistan only.

You are overthinking it. There is no fixation. The Indian govt ceased all Pak relations - trade and cricket - after which they've carried on with domestic matters. There might be the odd chirp here and there when an election comes around but apart from that Pakistan isn't on the TV news cycles in India anymore, from what friends tell me.

To be precise, it was Imran Khan who stopped trade relations in Aug 2019 so you should be blaming him.

 

[deltexas]

Inviting someone to your home & then treating them with great hospitality who you claim are supporting killing your people is deranged .

Pakistan doesn’t care , they will play cricket with anyone , anywhere but continue its other policies.

The ball is always in Indian court .

Pakistan should say ok we’ll
Play you in Kashmir , your land isn’t it ?

Pak says everything about kashmir but will visit anttime to Ind to play a cricket event. They could have said no to odi 2023 wc but no they came over. And now they will agree to a hybrid model as well for the CT. There is mo invitation hospitality nonsense here between any countries - it's all about the money and how the individual boards can make profit. Why will.pak play with Ind everytime all the time even though they keep saying Ind keeps kashmir unlawfully but have no qualms to visit Ind to play cricket. Ind will never vist pak anytime in ghe near future atleast for the next 10 years
.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pak says everything about kashmir but will visit anttime to Ind to play a cricket event. They could have said no to odi 2023 wc but no they came over. And now they will agree to a hybrid model as well for the CT. There is mo invitation hospitality nonsense here between any countries - it's all about the money and how the individual boards can make profit. Why will.pak play with Ind everytime all the time even though they keep saying Ind keeps kashmir unlawfully but have no qualms to visit Ind to play cricket. Ind will never vist pak anytime in ghe near future atleast for the next 10 years
.

Most don’t care if India comes to play some bat & ball sport . Pak will continue playing sport anywhere & continue its policies of supporting freedom fighters .

again it’s Indians who need to have some self respect. Pak is invited in icc tournaments, given hospitality, nice tea & food. Dead soldiers are nowhere to be heard of then lol

 

[guard]

If the Indian government doesn’t want to send their cricketers to a country that sends terrorists into their country then they shouldn’t have sent their tennis players and athletes from other sports to play in Pakistan.

No money no honey

 

[guard]

More about imposing economic costs. Tennis events between 2 nations brings no money. Cricket brings lot of money. India current policy is to bully Pakistan by squeezing their economy. Like banning trade, asking USA to create hurdles at IMF, ask Saudis & UAE to stop giving free lunches, using FATF grey listing to restrict access to financial markets. Banning cricket tours / events fall in the same ambit - everyone knows an India tour is a financial windfall

Basically the santani doctrine..?

 

[Rajdeep]

Basically the santani doctrine..?

Not Santani...it is Sanatani

Santani - person with kids

Sanatani - faith

 

[RexRex]

Pak will continue playing sport anywhere & continue its policies of supporting freedom fighters .

Okay then .... no more cricket for your country.

 

[Rajdeep]

Most don’t care if India comes to play some bat & ball sport . Pak will continue playing sport anywhere & continue its policies of supporting freedom fighters .

again it’s Indians who need to have some self respect. Pak is invited in icc tournaments, given hospitality, nice tea & food. Dead soldiers are nowhere to be heard of then lol

The ones whom you call freedom fighters like Lahskar & Jaish are banned terrorist organization as per law in Great Britain. It is the same country you reside and pay taxes, just saying.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The ones whom you call freedom fighters like Lahskar & Jaish are banned terrorist organization as per law in Great Britain. It is the same country you reside and pay taxes, just saying.

Under international law occupied people have a right to resist. Indians must accept this reality , every month many Indian occupying forces are eliminated, stopping playing cricket with Pakistan hasn’t made any difference.

Again if it’s so terrifying & serious ban Pakistan team from entering India, stop all trade , stop sending Indian athletes to Pakistan . Only not going to Pakistan to play cricket is weak & hillarious . Do it all or if not ensure Pakistan team are given a full massage after every match in the next icc tournament in India.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Champions Trophy 2025: 26/11 Mumbai attacks' terrorist mastermind spotted roaming freely on streets of Lahore and Rawalpindi, two places where PCB planned to host India​

According to David Headley, a former U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) agent of Pakistani descent who was captured by the FBI, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi was the chief military commander of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), which was responsible for the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attacks that killed 175 people. He now roams free on the streets of two of the three towns - Lahore and Rawalpindi, that will host the Indian cricket team after once being imprisoned by a Pakistani court. Since then, Lakhvi has taken on the moniker Abu Wasi after being placed on the UN Security Council's (UNSC) Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee's list.

Dr. Muhammad Saeed, an assistant professor in the Department of Islamic Thought and Culture at the National University of Modern Languages (NUML) in Islamabad, secretly supports the proscribed terrorist Lakhvi while working out. A bearded man was seen taking part in a supervised fitness test in a recent social media video, which some have claimed was Lakhvi himself. Using three facial recognition software, the India Today Open Source Investigation Team (OSINT) verified the identification of the man in the video, confirming that he was, in fact, the wanted terrorist.

Dr. Zaid Haris, who identifies as an Islamic expert and is regularly included in videos that address religious and humanitarian ideals, was also shown in the footage. The video, initially shared by pro-LeT accounts, showed Saeed and Haris supporting Lakhvi during the exercise. On social media, Syed Muhammad, a trainer who holds the title of former Mr. Pakistan, was revealed to be overseeing the event. Muhammad, who was contacted, described the fitness test as a "family event" from the early days of COVID-19 and stated that he did not know who was taking it. But this claim turned out to be untrue.

Muhammad is heard in the film stating, "To complete 210 repetitions in 18 to 19 minutes for a 63-year-old person, I haven’t seen in my professional experience anyone doing it." Official documents from the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) of the U.S. Department of Treasury show that Lakhvi was born on December 30, 1960, making him 63 in 2024, not during the early days of COVID as he stated. This runs counter to his assertions that the video is outdated.

Champions Trophy 2025: 26/11 Mumbai attacks' terrorist mastermind spotted roaming freely on streets of Lahore and Rawalpindi, two places where PCB planned to host India

26/11 Mumbai attacks' terrorist mastermind spotted roaming freely on streets of places where PCB plans to host India.

thesportstak.com

 

[FearlessRoar]

Tejashwi Yadav says cricket team should go to Pak: If PM can have biryani...​

The row over India's decision not to send the cricket team to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy echoed in the political sphere, with RJD leader Tejashwi Yadav asking the government to keep politics away from sports. Yadav, a former cricketer himself, asked if Prime Minister Narendra Modi could visit Pakistan, then why can't the team go across the border for the multi-nation tournament.

"There should be no politics in sports. They (Pakistan) should come to our country, and our players should also go there. What's the problem with sports? It's not like there's a war happening in sports. Why shouldn't India go to Pakistan? If PM Modi can go to Pakistan to eat biryani, that's considered a good thing, but if the Indian team goes to Pakistan to play, it's seen as wrong. This isn't the right way to think," Tejashwi, who has represented Jharkhand in state-level cricket, said.

The RJD leader's reference was to PM Modi's surprise visit to Lahore in 2015 to meet his then Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif on his birthday.

India's refusal to travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy has thrown the tournament's future into doubt. India has proposed a hybrid model for its matches, with Sri Lanka and the UAE being its preferred choice for a neutral venue. However, the Pakistan cricket board has dug in its heels. The ICC has called for an all-important board meeting on Friday to end the impasse.

However, Trinamool MP Kirti Azad said terror and dialogue cannot go together. "We will not play cricket with Pakistan... They will keep sending terrorists, and we will not play cricket with them," he said.

The Indian cricket team last toured Pakistan in 2008, when they participated in the Asia Cup. The arch rivals last played a bilateral series in 2012-13 in India. However, a deterioration of political ties since then has seen the two sides face each other in ICC tournaments only.

Tejashwi Yadav says cricket team should go to Pak: If PM can have biryani...

Tejashwi Yadav, a former cricketer himself, asked if PM Modi could visit Pakistan, then why can't the team go across the border for the Champions Trophy.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Vikram1989]

Tejashwi Yadav says cricket team should go to Pak: If PM can have biryani...​

"There should be no politics in sports.

The RJD leader's reference was to PM Modi's surprise visit to Lahore in 2015 to meet his then Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif on his birthday.

Tejashwi Yadav says cricket team should go to Pak: If PM can have biryani...

Tejashwi Yadav, a former cricketer himself, asked if PM Modi could visit Pakistan, then why can't the team go across the border for the Champions Trophy.

www.indiatoday.in

Perfectly idiotic and apt for congress aliance. Has the fool forgot pathankot attack which happened after 1 week of that ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just today Home Minister Amit Shah said there is no question of any diplomacy with Pakistan unless the terrorism stops.

It is for this very reason, BCCI wants India matches for upcoming CT in neutral venues as they don't want its team to visit the country that sends insurgents to kill Indians. I am not going into BCCIs hypocrisy because I know it exists. However, roughly this is the stance due to which India don't want to play in Pakistan.

So if PCB agree with BCCIs demands and accepts the hybrid model, will it be an admission of India's claim that Pak is a terrorist state?

I know PCB need to look into their pockets as well but they must be careful on the actual message it will send out by accepting Hybrid model.

India hasn't cited terrorism as the reason, only security issues. If terrorism was the worldwide accepted issue, then no other boards would agree to send teams to play cricket, which they have done very successfully and with no problems.