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The title says it all.

If the central contract base on performance why Bismah Maroof awarded B category but Sarfraz Ahmed got A category?

Your opinion please.
 
Mens team probably generates 100 times the revenue that the women's team does. In fact it is very likely that the women's teams contracts are being partially funded by money generated from the mens game. This happens in every sport. It's not sexism, it's simple business.
 
White knight here doesnt understand economics..

Womens cricket in pakistan most likely doesnt even generate a profit, and is being subsidized by the revenue made by the mens team...

Simple business..

Hardly anyone watches womens cricket.
 
Mens team probably generates 100 times the revenue that the women's team does. In fact it is very likely that the women's teams contracts are being partially funded by money generated from the mens game. This happens in every sport. It's not sexism, it's simple business.

White knight here doesnt understand economics..

Womens cricket in pakistan most likely doesnt even generate a profit, and is being subsidized by the revenue made by the mens team...

Simple business..

Hardly anyone watches womens cricket.

That's not what he is saying.

Basically his point is if Bismah gets a B contract even though she is captain, why is Sarfraz given an A contract?

Sarfraz doesn't deserve an A contract based on performance.
 
That's not what he is saying.

Basically his point is if Bismah gets a B contract even though she is captain, why is Sarfraz given an A contract?

Sarfraz doesn't deserve an A contract based on performance.

Hes still the mens team captain and hasnt been dropped.

What has pakistans womens team done?

Nothing.. infact they lose every game that i scroll through on cricinfo.

He plays all 3 formats as of now.

Like i said how many people actually watch the pakistan womens team play?
 
Women don't deserve same payments as men in sports. It is because women sports generate less revenues.

It has nothing to do with sexism or misogyny.
 
Who cares about female sports anyway?

The quality is way below par when compared to men's sports. Why would anyone watch it?

Interestingly, women know it themselves. That's why they won't push for inclusion in the same leagues/tournaments/competitions as men. They know they can't compete.

When it comes to business leadership, government or any other social leadership role they want to be in the same room as men. But when it comes to sports, they are happy to have their little side competition alongside the men's competition so they can piggy back off of the interest generated by men's sports.

Women want privilege, not equality.
 
Hes still the mens team captain and hasnt been dropped.

What has pakistans womens team done?

Nothing.. infact they lose every game that i scroll through on cricinfo.

He plays all 3 formats as of now.

Like i said how many people actually watch the pakistan womens team play?

Another thing is how hard is it to be men cricket captain in Pakistan? How hard one has to work? I would give an A grade contract just for that? How much abuse Sarfaraz has to take compare to women team captain in Pakistan?
 
People misunderstanding the question and rushing to justify low paychecks for females.
OPs question is that if a non performing captain can occupy an A contract in male cricket purely because he is the captain then why should a non performing female captain not he awarded the same.OP is not talking about the money that an A contract has for males and females.It is the status/privilege that is in question.

Well i guess Bisma Maroof does not have the support of a media lobby that Sarfaraz Ahmad probably has.I have no idea other than that as to why Sarfaraz was awarded an A contract when he doesnt even deserve a C contract based on performance.
 
Feminists and men who deliberately put down other men to get into the good books of the opposite sex are out in full force again. Not everything on the planet is a conspiracy against women
 
OP is a Real Man, all the others opposing him are insecure incels who are afraid of Women.

We need more and more men like OP raising their voice against the rampant partiachy in Pakistan.
 
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Another thing is how hard is it to be men cricket captain in Pakistan? How hard one has to work? I would give an A grade contract just for that? How much abuse Sarfaraz has to take compare to women team captain in Pakistan?

Lmao.So now PCB is also granting contracts based on the amount of abuse given by the people?No wonder Sarfaraz was removed from the contract list after the 2017 Champions Trophy.
Oh wait..

Also abuse comes in many forms.It is also abuse to tell someone that what they do for a living sucks,is below par,is something nobody gives a **** about and they are better off in the kitchen.And i can assure you that this sort of abuse is faced by the women cricketers everyday as is apparent by this very thread and if it does not convince you,you can go to their social media profiles and read the comments below.
 
OP is a Real Man, all the others opposing him are insecure incels who are afraid of Women.

We need more and more men like OP raising their voice against the rampant partiachy in Pakistan.

White knight spotted!
 
People misunderstanding the question and rushing to justify low paychecks for females.
OPs question is that if a non performing captain can occupy an A contract in male cricket purely because he is the captain then why should a non performing female captain not he awarded the same.OP is not talking about the money that an A contract has for males and females.It is the status/privilege that is in question.

Well i guess Bisma Maroof does not have the support of a media lobby that Sarfaraz Ahmad probably has.I have no idea other than that as to why Sarfaraz was awarded an A contract when he doesnt even deserve a C contract based on performance.

The reason is still the same. It is not feasible to pay a women's cricketer as much as a men's because they don't generate the same amount of money.

On a side note, I don't know why Sarfraz was given an A contract.
 
The reason is still the same. It is not feasible to pay a women's cricketer as much as a men's because they don't generate the same amount of money.

On a side note, I don't know why Sarfraz was given an A contract.

So where did the OP say that Bismah Maroof should be paid the equal amount of salary as Sarfaraz Ahmed.The category(A) of the central contract is the OP's question.Equal pay is not the topic of the thread.Equal category is,as far as my understanding goes.
 
Mens team probably generates 100 times the revenue that the women's team does. In fact it is very likely that the women's teams contracts are being partially funded by money generated from the mens game. This happens in every sport. It's not sexism, it's simple business.

You do realise men's and women's contract structures are completely different? Category A contract for the women's team isn't the same as the men's team.
 
Lmao.So now PCB is also granting contracts based on the amount of abuse given by the people?No wonder Sarfaraz was removed from the contract list after the 2017 Champions Trophy.
Oh wait..

Also abuse comes in many forms.It is also abuse to tell someone that what they do for a living sucks,is below par,is something nobody gives a **** about and they are better off in the kitchen.And i can assure you that this sort of abuse is faced by the women cricketers everyday as is apparent by this very thread and if it does not convince you,you can go to their social media profiles and read the comments below.

Mate you are getting it all wrong, I am only talking about the abuse you get if you lose! other forms of abuse is not relevant and should just not happen or should be reported. The abuse you get for losing determines how pressurized your job is and I dont know how much life experience you have but more you explore the corporate world the more you will realize all highly paid jobs are pressurized.
 
I think, OP's question is not about the discrimination of Male or Female in terms of money/payment; rather it's about the policy of awarding a central contract. If Sarfraz is credited a category A for being PAK Captain (of men's team), then the lady should have received a category A contract as well, for being Captain of the women's team. I actually agree with OP - absolutely no way Sarfraz should receive a Cat-A contract based on performance and he is purely there (in that category) for his status of Specialist Captain. On merit, I doubt if he deserves even a central contract on not, specially with that sort of fitness, when they have reduced the quota number significantly.

Regrading the amount (monthly fixed payment for a Category), I am sure there is a massive difference between male and female cricketers and rightly so for obvious reasons. Apart from Tennis and Badminton, I doubt if in any spectator sports, female game/tournament can remotely match the economy size of the men's game (May be Volleyball closely, I don't know). For example, Olympique Lyon is the equivalent of Braca 2010-2014 in women soccer and their top player Alex Morgan is highest paid women in Soccer world - a hooping $650,000/year ……. and she has some endorsement contract as well, which earns her annually total around $2.3mn before tax. CR07 and LM10 roughly earns around that $2.3mn/week, while Gareth Bale & Alexis Sanches has earned over $450K/week, AFTER Tax, playing less than 450 minutes of competitive soccer in total for almost a year now!!!!!

I completely agree here that it's an "extra khatir" for Sarfraz and Karachi lobby has worked perfectly for him. Karachi being PAK's financial HQ, almost all major media houses are based in there and he is the poster boy of Karachi - deserves this privilege, otherwise media will make life difficult for PCB leadership. Worst part is that this contract is for 2019-2020 period, means he is most likely to remain Captain for at least 2, even 3 formats, while they have wiped out the entire backroom staff as an aftermath of WC "success". This should end the "controversy" regarding "who was the king maker" for PCT among 3 stooges - Head Coach, Captain & Chief Selector. Two have been sacrificed, while the third one is rewarded...….

*I wrote in few months back, which that time I wrote more from a hunch than conviction, now my belief is stronger - PM Imran is the Patron of PCB and he is PM of PAK today for the surprise election results in Metro Karachi ….. Ehsan Mani won't do something that irritates Karachi voters for PTI. What I have seen/read in PP is just a reflection of the society there - even former Karachi cricketers don't bother about PAK's result much, as long as their local boys are pampered, should give an idea about the mass.

* [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], you didn't agree that time, what do you think now? What could be the "cricketing" reason of this guy being awarded a Category A and effectively guaranteed a Captaincy arm band for 2/3 formats for one more year, which eliminates the chances of two younger WK in form now?
 
Mate you are getting it all wrong, I am only talking about the abuse you get if you lose! other forms of abuse is not relevant and should just not happen or should be reported. The abuse you get for losing determines how pressurized your job is and I dont know how much life experience you have but more you explore the corporate world the more you will realize all highly paid jobs are pressurized.

And thats what i am saying,that pressure comes in all forms and is not restricted to one sort of abuse.

Besides my point is that its plain weird to hand over contracts weighing this particular factor.You cant just hand the A category to the captain even if he is insipid,unfit and uninspiring only because the people abuse him.Which albeit,completely unjustified, will be drastically reduced if he starts doing his job i.e performing and leading from the front.
 
Feminists and men who deliberately put down other men to get into the good books of the opposite sex are out in full force again. Not everything on the planet is a conspiracy against women

It helps if you understand the question being asked. But I love how insecure some men are, start ranting and whining about feminism and white knights. Pathetic weak mentality . No one said anything was a conspiracy but so many so called men started crying and whining without even understanding the points raised
 
The reason is still the same. It is not feasible to pay a women's cricketer as much as a men's because they don't generate the same amount of money.

On a side note, I don't know why Sarfraz was given an A contract.

Do you even understand the question here? Do you and everyone whining and crying understand that there is a woman category A contract which is different from men category A contract?
 
Mens team probably generates 100 times the revenue that the women's team does. In fact it is very likely that the women's teams contracts are being partially funded by money generated from the mens game. This happens in every sport. It's not sexism, it's simple business.

White knight here doesnt understand economics..

Womens cricket in pakistan most likely doesnt even generate a profit, and is being subsidized by the revenue made by the mens team...

Simple business..

Hardly anyone watches womens cricket.

Women don't deserve same payments as men in sports. It is because women sports generate less revenues.

It has nothing to do with sexism or misogyny.

Who cares about female sports anyway?

The quality is way below par when compared to men's sports. Why would anyone watch it?

Interestingly, women know it themselves. That's why they won't push for inclusion in the same leagues/tournaments/competitions as men. They know they can't compete.

When it comes to business leadership, government or any other social leadership role they want to be in the same room as men. But when it comes to sports, they are happy to have their little side competition alongside the men's competition so they can piggy back off of the interest generated by men's sports.

Women want privilege, not equality.

If you ever want to see examples of small, insecure men whining, this thread is the biggest example. I think a lot of this happens when some men dont interact with women and develop an incel mentality

The question asked was - why is the woman captain not given a category A contract

Now instead of whining and crying if these insecure people had thought normally, they would understand the OP obviously meant the category A contract for WOMEN which is different from that of men

But they had to cry and show their insecurity. Well done. We are laughing at you. I never thought there were so many small minded insecure men here but this has exposed them big time
 
You do realise men's and women's contract structures are completely different? Category A contract for the women's team isn't the same as the men's team.

This thread has exposed a lot of petty, insecure so called men. They didnt even understand what was being discussed and came whining and crying. Have to laugh at these people. The funniest thing was the rant about feminism, equality and what not. Clearly shows what these guys are losing their sleep over
 
Do you even understand the question here? Do you and everyone whining and crying understand that there is a woman category A contract which is different from men category A contract?

No I did not know about that in which case I was wrong, which I am willing to accept.
 
If you ever want to see examples of small, insecure men whining, this thread is the biggest example. I think a lot of this happens when some men dont interact with women and develop an incel mentality

The question asked was - why is the woman captain not given a category A contract

Now instead of whining and crying if these insecure people had thought normally, they would understand the OP obviously meant the category A contract for WOMEN which is different from that of men

But they had to cry and show their insecurity. Well done. We are laughing at you. I never thought there were so many small minded insecure men here but this has exposed them big time

Chill out bro there's no girl here for you to try and win over with your white knighting. It's not common knowledge that the contracts are different for men and women. It wasn't specified in OP so most people would assume they are the same.

Nobody is insecure here and nobody cares if you are laughing at them. If anything you're the insecure one because you keep repeating how small minded and insecure others are, maybe you're doing it to feel better about yourself?
 
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No I did not know about that in which case I was wrong, which I am willing to accept.

Well its common sense right? Since as you said, women dont generate as much revenue, their contracts cant be same as men

Currently in category A there are - Sana Mir and Nida Dar

The captain Bismah Maroof was demoted to B despite being captain. Hence the question from OP
 
Chill out bro there's no girl here for you to try and win over with your white knighting. It's not common knowledge that the contracts are different for men and women. It wasn't specified in OP so most people would assume they are the same.

Nobody is insecure here and nobody cares if you are laughing at them.

See you guys are so obsessed with women you think anyone who is talking about facts is white knighting. It's the opposite actually, YOU are the ones obsessed with women, So obsessed your brain shuts down when the topic even comes. Look at the example in this thread

I dont need to white knight or impress anyone as I am a secure male. i dont whine and cry about things or am obsessed with anything women. I dont care if they get more or less than me. But you obviously do. But of course you guys are also master of projection and think its everyone else obsessed.
 
Well its common sense right? Since as you said, women dont generate as much revenue, their contracts cant be same as men

Currently in category A there are - Sana Mir and Nida Dar

The captain Bismah Maroof was demoted to B despite being captain. Hence the question from OP

Yes it does make sense, but I didn't know about that, I don't follow women's cricket that much.

I agree, I said before in this thread too that Sarfraz shouldn't have the A contract, in my opinion he hardly deserves a C.
 
See you guys are so obsessed with women you think anyone who is talking about facts is white knighting. It's the opposite actually, YOU are the ones obsessed with women, So obsessed your brain shuts down when the topic even comes. Look at the example in this thread

I dont need to white knight or impress anyone as I am a secure male. i dont whine and cry about things or am obsessed with anything women. I dont care if they get more or less than me. But you obviously do. But of course you guys are also master of projection and think its everyone else obsessed.

How am I obsessed with women? I was talking sense, all be it in the wrong situation which I accept. Any normal person, like some others in this thread just replied to me and told me I was mistaken which is okay. But then came you who was like "Oh look at these small minded insecure men whining oh my god, we are laughing at you, damn incels". Clearly you really feel the need to prove you are superior by saying this kind of stuff.
 
The same reason why Sarfraz wasn't sacked as a captain and dropped from all 3 format a long time ago even though his own performances have been atrocious in all formats, and under him the team has only known defeat against good sides.
 
OP is right.

Both captains should be at the same level in terms of categories. If Sarfraz is category A for men then Bismah should be in category A for women.

If not a set position (i.e. captains always go into category A) then it should be based on performance.

If so, I believe Bismah's contract is correct relative to her performance while Sarfraz's seems like a gift. He should be sitting in category B on the men's side.
 
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If you ever want to see examples of small, insecure men whining, this thread is the biggest example. I think a lot of this happens when some men dont interact with women and develop an incel mentality

The question asked was - why is the woman captain not given a category A contract

Now instead of whining and crying if these insecure people had thought normally, they would understand the OP obviously meant the category A contract for WOMEN which is different from that of men

But they had to cry and show their insecurity. Well done. We are laughing at you. I never thought there were so many small minded insecure men here but this has exposed them big time

And if you read anything instead of white knighting, you would have seen that the answer is, we don't know.

No one watches women's cricket so we don't know Bisma has or hasn't done.
 
Oh wow.

The first few posts in this thread, how sick!

Just goes to show people's brought up. OP isn't even asking to pay them equally. Yet so much sickness.
 
Sarfraz doesn't even deserve maalish from physio forget central contract !

OP is absolutely right. This is nothing to do with feminist agenda. If Bismah Mahroof is women's captain and in Cat B, but the Asian Clive Lloyd is men's captain but in Cat A despite nonexistent performance for the last 2 years - this is clearly unjust.
 
Because Pakistan is not a feminist country, thankfully. The women don't get paid as much as the men for the same reasons that the blind cricketers and youth teams do not get paid as much as the men: They do not generate the same revenue and play a substandard version of the sport.
 
So where did the OP say that Bismah Maroof should be paid the equal amount of salary as Sarfaraz Ahmed.The category(A) of the central contract is the OP's question.Equal pay is not the topic of the thread.Equal category is,as far as my understanding goes.

Have tried changing the title multiple times, but it doesn't seem to help :(

Please try to understand the question before commenting!
 
Actually if the female player in question is not worthy of an A contract, then maybe she shouldn't be captain but if she is worthy of being the captain than give her the A contract
 
White knight here doesnt understand economics..

Womens cricket in pakistan most likely doesnt even generate a profit, and is being subsidized by the revenue made by the mens team...

Simple business..

Hardly anyone watches womens cricket.

It seems you can’t comprehend the English language. The problem ain’t pay amounts or monetary value of pay.

It’s the fact The captain of the women team is in the B contract for the women’s contract categories, while sarfraz is in the A contact of the women contract categories.
 
Because Pakistan is not a feminist country, thankfully. The women don't get paid as much as the men for the same reasons that the blind cricketers and youth teams do not get paid as much as the men: They do not generate the same revenue and play a substandard version of the sport.

OP is talking about categories, not the amount they're getting paid.

It has absolutely nothing to do with feminism.
 
OP is talking about categories, not the amount they're getting paid.

It has absolutely nothing to do with feminism.

Yes, the question is weirdly worded and I don't see what Sarfaraz has to do with any of this. He's won us the Champions Trophy, is a test captain as well as the limited overs captain and our first-choice wicket-keeper. He deserves the 'A' contract.

If OP thinks Bismah should or shouldn't be getting 'x' contract, he should make it about her personal performance as a player and as a captain and not drag Sarfaraz into this.
 
Have tried changing the title multiple times, but it doesn't seem to help :(

Please try to understand the question before commenting!

It is off-putting because of the "title says it all" line in the OP. If the poster cares so much, he could have put a little more effort into his post.
 
Sarfraz for all his faults has been playing and is likely to play going forward so deserves A contract.

Bismah deserves a "A" contract, its about potential not just about who generates revenue the most, the women's game needs to be supported properly otherwise other countries will leave the Pakistan Women's team behind.
 
Yes, the question is weirdly worded and I don't see what Sarfaraz has to do with any of this. He's won us the Champions Trophy, is a test captain as well as the limited overs captain and our first-choice wicket-keeper. He deserves the 'A' contract.

If OP thinks Bismah should or shouldn't be getting 'x' contract, he should make it about her personal performance as a player and as a captain and not drag Sarfaraz into this.

That would mean it's based on the amount of work a player is doing. I can accept that. If so, Bismah relative to her peers also deserves category A. She is captaining the side and is an all-rounder.

Unfortunately, PCB didn't use logic while handing out contracts. Even putting aside Bismah, this is seen by Yasir Shah getting an A contract when he only plays one format.
 
Do you even understand the question here? Do you and everyone whining and crying understand that there is a woman category A contract which is different from men category A contract?

Lead by example and answer the question then instead of airing insecurities.
 
That would mean it's based on the amount of work a player is doing. I can accept that. If so, Bismah relative to her peers also deserves category A. She is captaining the side and is an all-rounder.

Unfortunately, PCB didn't use logic while handing out contracts. Even putting aside Bismah, this is seen by Yasir Shah getting an A contract when he only plays one format.

Yeah, the captain of all formats deserves the top contract even if their performance has been less than satisfactory given that they have a lot on their plates. This is not only to maintain team harmony but also to ward off corruption.
 
A PCB spokesman said that the contracts were offered purely on basis of performances and Bismah’s performance wasn’t up to par. “Since our women cricket structure sees captains not appointed for a long period and the captaincy changes series to series, every player has to perform to get a higher category contract,” said the spokesman.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1490395

I think it related to the structure of women national team but I personally think performance based criteria should be for men captain as well.
 
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Does Sarfaraz even deserve a place in squad anymore?
Forget contract
 
A PCB spokesman said that the contracts were offered purely on basis of performances and Bismah’s performance wasn’t up to par. “Since our women cricket structure sees captains not appointed for a long period and the captaincy changes series to series, every player has to perform to get a higher category contract,” said the spokesman.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1490395

I think it related to the structure of women national team but I personally think performance based criteria should be for men captain as well.

There you go being mens captain comes with added responsibility and added work and just for that you should be given A grade contract otherwise it would be unfair given how much is expected of men team captain.

Now if sarfraz should be captain or not is another discussion.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

I can’t seem to recall the discussion you are referring to. It would help if you tag me in the relevant thread.
 
This thread has exposed a lot of petty, insecure so called men. They didnt even understand what was being discussed and came whining and crying. Have to laugh at these people. The funniest thing was the rant about feminism, equality and what not. Clearly shows what these guys are losing their sleep over

Lmao couldn’t agree more
 
This thread is hilarious. Few geniuses here think that the men and women are on the same payscale and that a men's A-grade contract pays the same as a women's A-grade contract. This thread has exposed the petty insecurities and lack of basic comprehension skills of some posters.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

I can’t seem to recall the discussion you are referring to. It would help if you tag me in the relevant thread.

I’ll have to search as well😝

Forget it, it was related to continuous support for Sarfraz from PCB, even after the racial ban (so, should be sometimes in February- that time I used to post lot...) - my hunch was that Sarfraz is backed by PCB from a political cause (of keeping Karachi happy); your hunch was that Mani & PCB are too dumb & spineless to take tough call - I did accept that time, but now this guy Wasim Khan (his office) also has given him Cat-A central contract, which should allow Sarfraz keeping his spot in PAK XI with his armband, may be even for 3 formats, till next T20 WC !!!!!! Wasim can’t be that dumb - there has to be something behind screen.
 
Who cares about female sports anyway?

The quality is way below par when compared to men's sports. Why would anyone watch it?

Interestingly, women know it themselves. That's why they won't push for inclusion in the same leagues/tournaments/competitions as men. They know they can't compete.

When it comes to business leadership, government or any other social leadership role they want to be in the same room as men. But when it comes to sports, they are happy to have their little side competition alongside the men's competition so they can piggy back off of the interest generated by men's sports.

Women want privilege, not equality.

That last line is absolute truth.
 
I’ll have to search as well😝

Forget it, it was related to continuous support for Sarfraz from PCB, even after the racial ban (so, should be sometimes in February- that time I used to post lot...) - my hunch was that Sarfraz is backed by PCB from a political cause (of keeping Karachi happy); your hunch was that Mani & PCB are too dumb & spineless to take tough call - I did accept that time, but now this guy Wasim Khan (his office) also has given him Cat-A central contract, which should allow Sarfraz keeping his spot in PAK XI with his armband, may be even for 3 formats, till next T20 WC !!!!!! Wasim can’t be that dumb - there has to be something behind screen.

Surely Sarfraz will not continue as Pakistan in all three formats and it is time for Rizwan to play a bigger role. However, it appears that PCB has already forgotten his 2 hundreds in 5 games against Australia before the World Cup.

You have to question what is the point of paying Wasim Khan 40 lakh rupees per month when PCB is still paying dumb decisions (or political decisions or both) on his watch.
 
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