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There is a theory that many world leaders like Bush even Musharraf are satanists making way for the anti-christ to come into power within the next few years.Such people are known as part of the illuminati,there are many interesting video's on youtube.com where those in the know attempt to enlighten people of the coming times.

I partly believe that they're on to something but dismiss the claim's of David Icke that many are reptiles in human flesh.Is the world being controlled by satanists...the illuminati??
 
Nakhuda said:
There is a theory that many world leaders like Bush even Musharraf are satanists making way for the anti-christ to come into power within the next few years.Such people are known as part of the illuminati,there are many interesting video's on youtube.com where those in the know attempt to enlighten people of the coming times.

I partly believe that they're on to something but dismiss the claim's of David Icke that many are reptiles in human flesh.Is the world being controlled by satanists...the illuminati??
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No.
 
Doubt it mate. People like David Icke (who once claimed he was sent down by God himself) are just attention seeking loonies.
 
i wouldn't be surprised if there a few politicians out there are working for such a thing, but i doubt they have full control. There a lot of lobbies and organizations working with similar ideologies. Neo-Cons, Zionists, Evangelicals.

but i dont think its safe to say they have 100% influence on the world scene
 
The idea of governments collaborating in a worldwide conspiracy to dominate the Earth is not a new one. Numerous theories are abound about such things almost from the beginning of time, and I expect that they will continue to evolve so that they are relevant. Personally, I do not dismiss them as nonsense, wielded by lunatics, as easily as some might. It's very dangerous to cast aspersions over things you are completely ignorant of. I simply ask myself a few questions, such as 'Do I believe that the government truly serves my interests?' and begin to realise that such theories are not quite as mad as they might at first seem.

I don't think that there's a conspiracy going on, but there might be, and even if there isn't I'm sure that the respective governments of the world would like there to be.
 
Augustus said:
The idea of governments collaborating in a worldwide conspiracy to dominate the Earth is not a new one. Numerous theories are abound about such things almost from the beginning of time, and I expect that they will continue to evolve so that they are relevant. Personally, I do not dismiss them as nonsense, wielded by lunatics, as easily as some might. It's very dangerous to cast aspersions over things you are completely ignorant of. I simply ask myself a few questions, such as 'Do I believe that the government truly serves my interests?' and begin to realise that such theories are not quite as mad as they might at first seem.

I don't think that there's a conspiracy going on, but there might be, and even if there isn't I'm sure that the respective governments of the world would like there to be.
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Exactly.

One can not conclusively and definetly state that this is not something that might arise in the future or has already begun, just as one can not definitely state that it is happening.

The best thing to do is become independent, grow minds of our own, and do our best to keep our eyes and ears open to potential catastrophe. Remember, as the quote states, ".. people should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people."
 
The Bavarian Illuminati existed, but they went out of action centuries ago.

Of course there are conspiracies. Just as ordinary people create social networks to forward their ambitions, so do the super-rich and super-powerful It's the way human society works.
 
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If you can get hold of the film Zeitgest, then watch it, it's quite eye-opening.

I dont think there are 'satan controlled' elites running the world but there are definitely elites 'trying' to control the world.
 
Mercenary said:
If you can get hold of the film Zeitgest, then watch it, it's quite eye-opening.

I dont think there are 'satan controlled' elites running the world but there are definitely elites 'trying' to control the world.
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I watched it, its absolutely fantastic. Just watch the first part about God and religion with a pinch of salt because lots of the supposed facts are made up and have been proven wrong.

The rest of the movie is indeed eye-opening, and is basically a must watch. Religion, an elite group attempting total world power, 9/11, World War I and II were devised, etc etc. You can YouTube it, 14 parts though :D
 
Yes it does.

You sir need a dose of Sir Alex Jones.
 
I'mstarting to become a conspiracy theorist, but I'm still young so don't understand that much
 
No. Paranoid nonsense, just look at the comments under the video.
 
Chapter (58) sūrat l-mujādilah (She That Disputeth)

Verse (58:10) - English Translation

Sahih International: Private conversation is only from Satan that he may grieve those who have believed, but he will not harm them at all except by permission of Allah. And upon Allah let the believers rely.

Pickthall: Lo! Conspiracy is only of the devil, that he may vex those who believe; but he can harm them not at all unless by Allah's leave. In Allah let believers put their trust.

Yusuf Ali: Secret counsels are only (inspired) by the Evil One, in order that he may cause grief to the Believers; but he cannot harm them in the least, except as Allah permits; and on Allah let the Believers put their trust.

Shakir: Secret counsels are only (the work) of the Shaitan that he may cause to grieve those who believe, and he cannot hurt them in the least except with Allah's permission, and on Allah let the believers rely.

Muhammad Sarwar: Holding secret counsels for (evil purposes) is a work of satan to cause grief to the believers, but he can do no harm to them except by the will of God. Let the believers trust in God.

Mohsin Khan: Secret counsels (conspiracies) are only from Shaitan (Satan), in order that he may cause grief to the believers. But he cannot harm them in the least, except as Allah permits, and in Allah let the believers put their trust .

Arberry: Conspiring secretly together is of Satan, that the believers may sorrow; but he will not hurt them anything, except by the leave of God. And in God let the believers put all their trust.


http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=58&verse=10
 
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Do you believe in the illuminati?

I only know one person in real life who actually believes in the Illuminati/ freemason global conspiracy controlling the world.. but the internet is full of them..how many of you guys actually believe in this? Would you be kind enough to share the details? There is a lot of contradictory information going around.... I won't mind joining them actually..
 
Haha, it's PakPassion, what do you expect? :p

We aren't short of conspiracy theorists, that's for sure.
 
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I would love to talk about it but the first rule of Project Illuminati is that you don't talk about Project Illuminati. And the second rule, as you have guessed, is quite similar too.
 
endymion248 said:
I would love to talk about it but the first rule of Project Illuminati is that you don't talk about Project Illuminati. And the second rule, as you have guessed, is quite similar too.
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Lol its illuminati not fight club .
 
i believe the world is controlled by the elite..and at the top, most are connected to each other. but i dont believe that they are part of an organized group called illuminati.
 
vandokkum said:
I only know one person in real life who actually believes in the Illuminati/ freemason global conspiracy controlling the world.. but the internet is full of them..how many of you guys actually believe in this?
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No, but my daughters do, particularly within hip-hop.

I know a few Freemasons including members of my own family and some work colleagues. Their influence amounts to getting together for beers at the lodge and making business deals on the golf course.

The older I get, the less I believe in conspiracy theory. These days I'm more likely to believe that bad things happen not because some shadowy elite is in control, but because of a lack of control by ordinary types: people phone in sick, people make mistakes through overwork or lack of motivation, messages don't get carried or become distorted and so on.
 
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Robert said:
No, but my daughters do, particularly within hip-hop.

The older I get, the less I believe in conspiracy theory. These days I'm more likely to believe that bad things happen not because some shadowy elite is in control, but because of a lack of control by ordinary types: people phone in sick, people make mistakes through overwork or lack of motivation, messages don't get carried or become distorted and so on.
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Have you tried to break their delusions? It's always easier to blame others for your current situation than to actually have to fix them yourself
 
vandokkum said:
Have you tried to break their delusions?
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Yes, but without success because I'm seen to be out of date!

Curiously though, certain hip-hop artists use occult symbolism in their videos.
 
It is just like belief in a higher power or a god, the irrational fear that there is a big ominous cloud over the world, wreaking havoc on a daily basis and subtly controlling everything. Cheer up fellas and enjoy your lives - the New World Order does not exist!
 
In my opionion the illuminati is something made up to take the attention off the elite that actually control the world.
 
James said:
It is just like belief in a higher power or a god, the irrational fear that there is a big ominous cloud over the world, wreaking havoc on a daily basis and subtly controlling everything.
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This. I've noticed that religious people are more likely to believe in this alleged elite.
 
Robert said:
No, but my daughters do, particularly within hip-hop.

I know a few Freemasons including members of my own family .
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I suppose daughters also know these people so, their opinion also matters....

But I believe that people who are controlling banking/financial sector are making their impact at Global level more than any one else except mat be God.

BTW, few conspiracy videos on youtube are quite entraining and thrilling to watch ...some of these are

Bush's contradictory statement about 9/11 or 9/11 an inside job ...

Videos about skull & bones...

Why illuminate killed Michael Jackson ...

The Men Who killed Kennedy (my personal favourite)...
 
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Exactly, it can feel more exciting to think this stuff could be real.
 
I don't believe in it.

BUT i have noticed music artists do go out of their way to make the '666' hand sign and the covering up of one eye and also references to things in their lyrics at times but i believe that is more to do with just making people think that there is something going on rather than there actually being something going on. It gets people talking when you do these kind of things and any publicity is good publicity
 
Well it may not be Illuminati but someone is controlling the world, there are so many theories out there (Illuminati, Bankers, Knight of Templar, Skull and Bones, Freemasons, Builder berg Group, Georgia Guide-stones), sometimes its hard to tell them apart. Plus there are things in history and current events which make these theories plausible. But I personally think we have a population problem in this world and the fight to control resources is where these theories are getting generated.
 
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If anyone knows how I can join the Illuminati then please contact me
 
No. I don't believe in an all powerful group that consists of Lady Gaga and Jay Z pushing a satanic agenda :))

I do however believe that there is a global elite consisting of a handful of powerful men from all nations who control the media,finance,medicinal industry and seek to manipulate global events to fit their agendas.

I also believe that intelligence agencies such as the CIA/ISI/RAW and MI5 are at fault for a lot of what is wrong with the world. I honestly believe that guys like Anjem Chowdrey are on the payroll of the intelligence agencies of this country to further a nefarious agenda in relation to the Middle East and Muslim World.

Finally - I believe that there exists a Judeo-Christian zionist alliance that seeks to bring the Middle East to its knees through the existence of Israel. Israel being on the map is an example of Judiac fundamentalism and its supported by a deeply christian American leadership who seeks to hasten the second coming of Christ.

Call me mad if you want.
 
Something like the Patriots is slightly more believable.
 
lol this reminds of this awesome thread where the OP claimed that IPL was part of the Illuminati agenda and whatnot and proved it through something to do with their logo
 
Lol...No.

But I won't deny it is pretty interesting to read about them...especially in Dan Brown books.
 
How are you guys so sure this thread is not an illuminati propaganda to mislead people into believing the illuminati doesn't exist?
 
vandokkum said:
How are you guys so sure this thread is not an illuminati propaganda to mislead people into believing the illuminati doesn't exist?
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dude what are you talking about?

PP itself, is a propaganda by Illuminati to mislead people and make sure they waste their time rather than solve the puzzles of the world and expose the elite running the world
 
the people who usually deny the illuminati are the white guys, the burger kids and the indians (who will say anything the white guy says).
 
PakPrince said:
PP itself, is a propaganda by Illuminati to mislead people and make sure they waste their time rather than solve the puzzles of the world and expose the elite running the world
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are you Zaid Hamid in disguise by any means? :yk
 
GentleMan said:
the people who usually deny the illuminati are the white guys, the burger kids and the indians (who will say anything the white guy says).
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You seem to be so butthurt about "white" .. did a white girl/ guy break your heart or something?
 
vandokkum said:
You seem to be so butthurt about "white" .. did a white girl/ guy break your heart or something?
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cant help it if everytime i mention the word white, you sense some racial connotations. i have white friends, so i am not a rascist. just making an observation that it is usually these three kinds of people who deny the illuminati..what is the reason for that is open to interpretation.
 
Oh plz, cut the crap some people...

Illuminati = Bunch of human scum spreading evil on Satan's command! They are a bunch of misguided lot. In the end their 'master' Satan will abandon them and they will rot in hell



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GentleMan said:
the people who usually deny the illuminati are the white guys, the burger kids and the indians (who will say anything the white guy says).
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Oh, I think that very rich people network in order to sustain their profits, and that corporations lobby politicians to influence their voting behaviour, but I find the idea that there is some secret Satanic council a bit risible.

Money corrupts nearly everything - always has and always will.

FWIW, Bilderberg are meeting in England in a couple of weeks: http://bilderberg2013.co.uk/bilderberg-group/
 
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I really dont care..have personal existential issues to attend..the rest of the world can go and ^^&^ themselves
 
Easa said:
I watched it, its absolutely fantastic. Just watch the first part about God and religion with a pinch of salt because lots of the supposed facts are made up and have been proven wrong.

The rest of the movie is indeed eye-opening, and is basically a must watch. Religion, an elite group attempting total world power, 9/11, World War I and II were devised, etc etc. You can YouTube it, 14 parts though :D
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Put a sock in it, Eas.
 
Re: Illuminati.

Lol Eas. One of those moments where you read your posts when you were younger and cringe a little?
 
Quite bluntly speaking, people who construct and believe elaborately constructed conspiracy theories are mugs. A bit of scepticism is one thing, believing there is a worldwide conspiracy at play culminating in the second coming of Christ is something else. People love conspiracy theories that paint them as the victims of worldwide plotting because it gives them an alternate way of dealing with the failures or threats they are facing. Who needs navel-gazing when Zionists and Illuminati are there...
 
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The Illuminati- Real?

A powerful cabal of wealthy men ruling the world, true?
 
Fascist intellectual Julius Evola, Men Among the Ruins

Various causes have been adduced to explain the crisis that has affected and still affects the life of modern peoples: historical, social, socioeconomic, political, moral, and cultural causes, according to different perspectives. The part played by each of these causes should not be disputed. However, we need to ask a higher and essential question: are these always the first causes and do they have an inevitable character like those causes found in the material world? Do they supply an ultimate explanation or, occasionally, is it necessary to identify influences of a higher order, which may cause what has occurred in the West to appear very suspicious, and which, beyond the multiplicity of individual aspects, suggest there is the same logic at work?

The concept of occult war must be defined within the context of the dilemma. The occult war is a battle that is waged imperceptibly by the forces of global subversion, with means and in circumstances ignored by current historiography. The notion of occult war belongs to a three-dimensional view of history: this view does not regard as essential the two superficial dimensions of time and space (which include causes, facts, and visible leaders) but rather emphasizes the dimension of depth, or the “subterranean” dimension in which forces and influences often act in a decisive manner, and which, more often not than not, cannot be reduced to what is merely human, whether at an individual or a collective level.
Having said that, it is necessary to specify the meaning of the term subterranean. We should not think, in this regard, of a dark and irrational background that stands in relation to the known forces of history as the unconscious stands to consciousness, in the way the latter relationship is discussed in the recently developed “Depth Psychology” If anything, we can talk about the unconscious only in regard to those who, according to the three-dimensional view, appear to be history’s objects rather than its subjects, since in their thoughts and conduct they are scarcely aware of the influences they obey and the goals they contribute toward achieving. In these people, the center falls more in the unconscious and the preconscious than in the clear reflected consciousness, no matter what they—who are often men of action and ideologues—believe. Considering this relation, we can say the most decisive actions of the occult war take place in the human unconscious. However, if we consider the true agents of history in the special aspects we are now discussing, things are otherwise: here we cannot talk of the subconscious or the unconscious, for we are dealing with intelligent forces that know very well what they want and the means most suited to achieve their objectives.
The third dimension of history should not be diluted in the fog of abstract philosophical or sociological concepts, but rather should be thought of as a “backstage” dimension where specific “intelligences” are at work.

An investigation of the secret history that aspires to be positivist and scientific should not be too lofty or removed from reality. However, it is necessary to assume as the ultimate reference point a dualistic scheme not dissimilar from the one found in an older tradition. Catholic historiography used to regard history not only as a mechanism of natural, political, economic, and social causes, but also as the unfolding of divine Providence, to which hostile forces are opposed. These forces are sometimes referred to in a moralistic fashion as “forces of evil,” or in a theological fashion as the “forces of the Antichrist.” Such a view has a positive content, provided it is purified and emphasized by bringing it to a less religious and more metaphysical plane, as was done in Classical and Indo-European antiquity: forces of the cosmos against forces of chaos. To the former corresponds everything that is form, order, law, spiritual hierarchy, and tradition in the higher sense of the word; to the latter correspond every influence that disintegrates, subverts, degrades, and promotes the predominance of the inferior over the superior, matter over spirit, quantity over quality. This is what can be said in regard to the ultimate reference points of the various influences that act upon the realm of tangible causes behind known history. These must be kept into account, though with some prudence. Let me repeat: aside from this necessary metaphysical background, let us never lose sight of concrete history. Today more than ever it is necessary to refer to these perspectives, which should not be confused with mere speculations and which, besides having a value for knowledge, can supply weapons for the right course of action. In a document that I will soon discuss, it is written:

Because the mentality of Gentiles is of a purely animal nature, they are unable to foresee the consequences to which a cause may lead, if it is portrayed in a certain light. It is precisely in this difference between Jews and non Jews that we can easily recognize God’s election, as well as our super-human nature, in comparison with the instinctive and animalistic mentality of the Gentiles. The latter see the facts, but do not foresee them and are unable to invent anything other than material things.
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Apart from the reference to Jews, who this document purports are the only secret agents of world subversion (we shall see later if this is so), such considerations are true in general only for those whom I have called history’s “objects.” When measured against that of their disguised opponents, the mentality of the great majority of modern men of action appears to be quite primitive. The latter concentrate their energies on what is tangible and “concrete,” and are unable to perceive the interplay of concordant actions and reactions, causes and effects, beyond a very limited and almost always coarsely materialistic horizon.
The deeper causes of history—here we can refer to both those that act in a negative sense and those that may act in an equilibrating and positive sense—operate prevalently through what can be called “imponderable factors,” to use an image borrowed from natural science. These causes are responsible for almost undetectable ideological, social, and political changes, which eventually produce remarkable effects: they are like the first cracks in a layer of snow that eventually produce an avalanche. These causes almost never act in a direct manner, but instead bestow to some existing processes an adequate direction that leads to the designated goal. Thus, men and groups who believe they are pursuing something willed by themselves become the means through which something different is realized and made possible: it is precisely in this that a super-ordained influence and meaning are revealed. This was noticed by Wundt, who talked about the “heterogeneity of the effects,” and by Hegel as well, who introduced the notion of the List der Vernunft [Cunning of Reason] in his philosophy of history; however, neither of these thinkers was able to fruitfully develop his intuitions. Unlike what happens in the domain of physical phenomena, an insightful historian encounters several instances where the “causal” explanation (in the deterministic, physical sense) is unsatisfactory, because things do not add up and the total does not equal the sum of the apparent historical factors—almost as if someone adding five, three, and two ended up not with ten, but with fifteen or seven. This differential, especially when it appears as a differential between what is willed and what has really happened, or between ideas, principles, and programs on the one hand and their effective consequences in history on the other, offers the most valuable material for the investigation of the secret causes of history.

Methodologically speaking, we must be careful to prevent valid insights from degenerating into fantasies and superstition, and not develop the tendency to see an occult background everywhere and at all costs. In this regard, every assumption we make must have the character of what are called “working hypotheses” in scientific research—as when something is admitted provisionally, thus allowing the gathering and arranging of a group of apparently isolated facts, only to confer on them a character not of hypothesis but of truth when, at the end of a serious inductive effort, the data converge in validating the original assumption. Every time an effect outlasts and transcends its tangible causes, a suspicion should arise, and a positive or negative influence behind the stages should be perceived. A problem is posited, but in analyzing it and seeking its solution, prudence must be exercised. The fact that those who have ventured in this direction have not restrained their wild imaginations has discredited what could have been a science, the results of which could hardly be overestimated. This too meets the expectations of the hidden enemy.

This is all I have to say concerning the general premises proper to a new three-dimensional study of history. Now let us return to what I said earlier on. After considering the state of society and modern civilization, one should ask if this is not a specific case that requires the application of this method; in other words, one should ask whether some situations of real crisis and radical subversion in the modern world can be satisfactorily explained through “natural” and spontaneous processes, or whether we need to refer to something that has been concerted, a still unfolding plan devised by forces hiding in the shadows.
In this particular domain, many red flags have gone up: too many elements have concurred to alarm the less superficial observers. In the middle of the past century, Disraeli wrote these significant and often quoted words: “The world is governed by people entirely different from the ones imagined by those who are unable to see behind the scenes.” Malinsky and De Poncins, when considering the phenomenon of revolution, have remarked that in our age, where it is commonly acknowledged that every disease of the individual organism is caused by bacteria, people pretended that the diseases of the social body—revolutions and disorder—are spontaneous, self-generated phenomena rather than the effect of invisible agents, acting in society the way bacteria and pathogenic germs act in the organism of the individual. Disraeli, in the mid-nineteenth century, wrote:

The public does not realize that in all the conflicts within nations and in the conflicts between nations there are, besides the people apparently responsible for them, hidden agitators who with their selfish plans make these conflicts unavoidable.... Everything that happens in the confused evolution of peoples is secretly prepared in order to ensure the dominion of certain people: it is these people, known and unknown, that we must find behind every public event
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In this order of ideas, there is an interesting document known as The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I have discussed the nature and scope of this document in the introduction to its last Italian edition (Rome, 1937). Here I will only mention some fundamental points.
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Alex Jones, has got some very good videos on this topic on Youtube.....
 
This is just a name, and it doesn't matter because if this not name, then it will be other name. Yes, it is real, and there is history of dark magic which explains unexplainable events occurring remotely in isolated places. Thank to the media, this content is getting noticed slowly. Iblees, in other name, Lucifer has pledged to be full-sworn enemy to mankind, and he will always have followers; however, people with evil intentions will be drawn to him closer than anyone.
 
Yeah they killed 2pac .
Lol honestly I don't care if they do or don't exist . Its something I was big about a few years ago but not as much these days. My pot head friends talk about nothing else apart from the illuminati lol .

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attock said:
Alex Jones, has got some very good videos on this topic on Youtube.....
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I used to think his videos were good, but then he went a bit crazy and started talking about reptilians, black magic and all them crazy rituals, so i stopped watching his videos because i dont believe in crazy stuff like that.

But im not really sure wether they really exist or not any more but i stopped caring about it a long time ago.
 
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