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"I'm comfortable we have a dressing room of players that can stand up to India" : Mickey Arthur

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"I'm comfortable we have a dressing room of players that can stand up to India" : Mickey Arthur

Mickey Arthur at a presser after India battered Pakistan in the Asia Cup:

"Everything (went wrong) really. It was a poor day, we were below par which was very disappointing"

"We're certainly not worried about Sarfaraz Ahmed's position in the batting lineup, he's playing well. It was just about taking responsibility today. We sort of batted outside our roles today which was disappointing. Imam's role is not to be running down at B Kumar in the 3rd over, it's not Saifi's role to be hitting over the top and getting caught out there. We've got X factor guys whose role it is to do that, if Fakhar or Asif get out that way, it's OK because that's what they need to do. But the other four batsmen need to take responsibility, I just thought we were soft, 158 dots out of 258 balls faced is not good enough"

"We've played some pretty good cricket, first time we've lost here in 17 games. We're coming off the back off 7 ODI wins, even though it was against different opposition, but still, we've played well. We didn't play well tonight and there's no excuses for that"

"Of course Amir's lack of wickets is concerning, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't. I had a long chat with him last night and I thought he came out and bowled well today. He hit the crease hard, he ran in well. He's been decelerating to the crease but he didn't do that today, he seemed more fluent and there was a bit more pace but of course there's more pressure on him"

"We were poor in both departments. On a wicket like that, you need to strike early but we didn't do that. We went away from our plans too quickly, the batters played outside our roles and the bowlers went away from the plans too quickly. We wanted to bowl hard lengths and make it tough to score. It was tough to score in the first 6 overs but then Shinwari decided to come around the wicket and bowl a bouncer with fine-leg up. We're gonna sit down and talk about that, it's not good enough"

"The Indian pacers bowled well, as you'd expect them to. They assessed the conditions well and hit back of a length and made it difficult for us to score. We were soft in our top order which wasn't good enough, we gifted a couple of early wickets and once we've done that and we're two down, it's going to take something special. We thought we could've defended 250-260 and that's what we set ourselves but it never materialised. I thought the Babar and Malik partnership was good, I thought they ran well between the wickets and that was probably the only highlight of the day"

"In terms of intent, I thought we were right up there in the field and our bowlers ran in early, there's no lack of intent or fight"

"India are a very good cricket team and so are we. They played better than us today and put us under pressure for longer periods"

"Whenever we go head to head with India, I'm comfortable that we have a dressing room of players that can stand up to them. On any given day, they can win. I still think it's 50/50, luckily this game is inconsequential"

"Shadab has a tight groin, he fell badly in the field. In West Indies, he got a couple of back spasms which just sort of reared their head tonight. Nothing serious though, nothing that should keep him out of a game"

"I think the pressure told on Imam, he had 2 off 8 balls and Fakhar had just faced a maiden, so he tried to get it going and tried to hit a ball that's not in his area. If he comes down, he needs to be going extra cover, not midwicket. In terms of Asif Ali, he called the run quickly but I think Shoaib was at fault, I think there was a bit of lazy running on the back end there by Shoaib, he didn't think the ball was coming to his end. I don't think it was Asif Ali's fault, I think Asif Ali will score runs for us and I'm comfortable that he's going to be a very good player"
 
This is a fairly honest assessment of today's cricket. Pakistan were soft.
 
Mickey Arthur, will you take responsibility?

"We're certainly not worried about Sarfaraz Ahmed's position in the batting lineup, he's playing well."

See the issue here?

Arthur's leading us nowhere. He loves Sarfraz and is not ready to drop Malik. He believes in the same old 'fill the lineup with accumulators' logic.
 
Mickey Arthur, will you take responsibility?

"We're certainly not worried about Sarfaraz Ahmed's position in the batting lineup, he's playing well."

See the issue here?

Arthur's leading us nowhere. He loves Sarfraz and is not ready to drop Malik. He believes in the same old 'fill the lineup with accumulators' logic.

He won’t do thah right now. He can’t.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] nothing said about 1.4 spinners.
Pakistan doesn’t have any outstanding spinners in domestic cricket for it to be an issue. Nawaz is bang average and will contribute nothing against either India or Bangladesh.
 
Candid as usual. Mickey has put everything in this job and knows exactly where we stand and why, but unfortunately he simply does not have enough quality at his disposal, and the problem stems from having a captain who is an absolute dud of a player.

I wish to see Mickey coach a team with a professional setup and environment where their is enough talent and quality for his team to be among the top teams in all formats. He would be a wonderful coach for India and perhaps England as well.

He has learned his lesson from Australia and for his sake I hope he gets out of the Pakistan job as soon as possible. Unfortunately I don't see that happening and he is likely to waste another few years here.
 
Mickey is right when he says everything went wrong. Pakistani batsmen threw away four of the first five wickets to fall. Kedar Jadhav picked up three wickets, something which I don’t see happening ever again to be honest. This was a really bad game, and thankfully it came in a dead rubber. These boys need a kick up the backside to bring their A game, similar to how we were finished, we were humiliated, we were decimated etc against Australia in the first game of the tri-series in July. That was worse with Stanlake ripping through our batsmen and Finch absolutely murdering our bowlers. Pakistan came back from that to win back to back games against Australia and win the trophy. Today’s loss was more Pakistan self-imploding than India doing anything special. Mickey knows this and hopefully this is the last bad game for Pakistan in this tournament.
 
Mickey is right when he says everything went wrong. Pakistani batsmen threw away four of the first five wickets to fall. Kedar Jadhav picked up three wickets, something which I don’t see happening ever again to be honest. This was a really bad game, and thankfully it came in a dead rubber. These boys need a kick up the backside to bring their A game, similar to how we were finished, we were humiliated, we were decimated etc against Australia in the first game of the tri-series in July. That was worse with Stanlake ripping through our batsmen and Finch absolutely murdering our bowlers. Pakistan came back from that to win back to back games against Australia and win the trophy. Today’s loss was more Pakistan self-imploding than India doing anything special. Mickey knows this and hopefully this is the last bad game for Pakistan in this tournament.

This. I fully trust the team to come back strong!
 
Pakistan has lost just a casual league match...not the tourney finals
 
2 spinners are a must ere Mickey. Plus please play haris in all matches till world cup. he is our best batsman along with Babar. Criminal to drop him after a good tour of NZ.
 
Candid as usual. Mickey has put everything in this job and knows exactly where we stand and why, but unfortunately he simply does not have enough quality at his disposal, and the problem stems from having a captain who is an absolute dud of a player.

I wish to see Mickey coach a team with a professional setup and environment where their is enough talent and quality for his team to be among the top teams in all formats. He would be a wonderful coach for India and perhaps England as well.

He has learned his lesson from Australia and for his sake I hope he gets out of the Pakistan job as soon as possible. Unfortunately I don't see that happening and he is likely to waste another few years here.

Everything cannot be handed to Micky Arthur on a platter. If the current crop of players aren't good enough, go and find replacements. He has backed these players which means he has momentarily believed that he is selecting the best available players and that is on him.
 
Everything cannot be handed to Micky Arthur on a platter. If the current crop of players aren't good enough, go and find replacements. He has backed these players which means he has momentarily believed that he is selecting the best available players and that is on him.

He cannot find quality if it does not exist. Which world class players are rotting in domestic cricket right now? Everyone is on the Sahibzada Farhan bandwagon these days, but let's face it - there is a 99% chance that he too will be out of his depth against top flight teams in international cricket.

He has tried everything over the last two years. The players are being made to work harder than ever before, the roles have been clearly defined and tactics have been established. However, apart from the 4 match streak in the Champions Trophy, we continue to come up short against quality sides.
 
He cannot find quality if it does not exist. Which world class players are rotting in domestic cricket right now? Everyone is on the Sahibzada Farhan bandwagon these days, but let's face it - there is a 99% chance that he too will be out of his depth against top flight teams in international cricket.

He has tried everything over the last two years. The players are being made to work harder than ever before, the roles have been clearly defined and tactics have been established. However, apart from the 4 match streak in the Champions Trophy, we continue to come up short against quality sides.
If Pakistan beats India in the upcoming games, will you count India as a quality side or change your narrative?
 
If Pakistan beats India in the upcoming games, will you count India as a quality side or change your narrative?

Pakistan should not be losing 3 out of 3 games to an Indian team without Kohli. They are still a quality side without him, but certainly beatable.
 
Mickey Arthur at a presser after India battered Pakistan in the Asia Cup:

"Everything (went wrong) really. It was a poor day, we were below par which was very disappointing"

"We're certainly not worried about Sarfaraz Ahmed's position in the batting lineup, he's playing well. It was just about taking responsibility today. We sort of batted outside our roles today which was disappointing. Imam's role is not to be running down at B Kumar in the 3rd over, it's not Saifi's role to be hitting over the top and getting caught out there. We've got X factor guys whose role it is to do that, if Fakhar or Asif get out that way, it's OK because that's what they need to do. But the other four batsmen need to take responsibility, I just thought we were soft, 158 dots out of 258 balls faced is not good enough"

"We've played some pretty good cricket, first time we've lost here in 17 games. We're coming off the back off 7 ODI wins, even though it was against different opposition, but still, we've played well. We didn't play well tonight and there's no excuses for that"

"Of course Amir's lack of wickets is concerning, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't. I had a long chat with him last night and I thought he came out and bowled well today. He hit the crease hard, he ran in well. He's been decelerating to the crease but he didn't do that today, he seemed more fluent and there was a bit more pace but of course there's more pressure on him"

"We were poor in both departments. On a wicket like that, you need to strike early but we didn't do that. We went away from our plans too quickly, the batters played outside our roles and the bowlers went away from the plans too quickly. We wanted to bowl hard lengths and make it tough to score. It was tough to score in the first 6 overs but then Shinwari decided to come around the wicket and bowl a bouncer with fine-leg up. We're gonna sit down and talk about that, it's not good enough"

"The Indian pacers bowled well, as you'd expect them to. They assessed the conditions well and hit back of a length and made it difficult for us to score. We were soft in our top order which wasn't good enough, we gifted a couple of early wickets and once we've done that and we're two down, it's going to take something special. We thought we could've defended 250-260 and that's what we set ourselves but it never materialised. I thought the Babar and Malik partnership was good, I thought they ran well between the wickets and that was probably the only highlight of the day"

"In terms of intent, I thought we were right up there in the field and our bowlers ran in early, there's no lack of intent or fight"

"India are a very good cricket team and so are we. They played better than us today and put us under pressure for longer periods"

"Whenever we go head to head with India, I'm comfortable that we have a dressing room of players that can stand up to them. On any given day, they can win. I still think it's 50/50, luckily this game is inconsequential"

"Shadab has a tight groin, he fell badly in the field. In West Indies, he got a couple of back spasms which just sort of reared their head tonight. Nothing serious though, nothing that should keep him out of a game"

"I think the pressure told on Imam, he had 2 off 8 balls and Fakhar had just faced a maiden, so he tried to get it going and tried to hit a ball that's not in his area. If he comes down, he needs to be going extra cover, not midwicket. In terms of Asif Ali, he called the run quickly but I think Shoaib was at fault, I think there was a bit of lazy running on the back end there by Shoaib, he didn't think the ball was coming to his end. I don't think it was Asif Ali's fault, I think Asif Ali will score runs for us and I'm comfortable that he's going to be a very good player"

Great Analysis....
but he didn't talk about any change in XI...
Harris Sohail should get a chance in the place of Imam..
 
Please! Mickey is only fooling himself if he really believes what he is saying. Look at how well and effortlessly India batted getting their runs so easily. By comparison we got off to a terrible start as always struggling to even get singles. Whose gonna score the runs for us Mickey? Against India we need to score at least 300 runs to stand any chance.
 
Detailed comments from Mickey but his faith in Imam and desire to bombard opposition with pace on slow UAE wickets is misplaced.

Sarfraz also cannot be a specialist captain. His batting contributions have been non-existent for some time against top sides.
 
Said it yesterday I hope the team doesn’t get complacent don’t get overconfident after seeing what was on display last night. And
That’s exactly what they did they saw what HK did yesterday and they taught they had it covered. No they didn’t!
Usual suspects taking their usual shots very common for them.
Nothing to worry about just a glitch nothing more .
Serves our team right for getting complacent.
Watch the difference next game.
 
We are FC Fakhar Zaman against good sides. If he fires on Sunday then we might even beat India.

Except Babar the rest of our batting is mediocre. Imam is the second coming of Azhar Ali.
 
Mickey Arthur has had enough time now to mould this team. Some of his selections in the form of Shadab, Faheem, Fakhar have worked but his persistence with 3-5 accumulators in the ODI squad in this modern era means his words are meaningless.
 
I’ll stick with the same assesment I made before the Asia Cup started.

Incorrect. Before Asia cup you said...Pak will beat India in all games without Kohli. But you just not lost but got absolute mauling in the 1st game. Man up and accept it bruv :))
 
Incorrect. Before Asia cup you said...Pak will beat India in all games without Kohli. But you just not lost but got absolute mauling in the 1st game. Man up and accept it bruv :))
Yes we got comprehensively beat by an ordinary Indian team. Where did I not accept that? I hope you are here if it goes pear-shaped for your boys in the next match.

Sood samed jawaab milega, soch samajh ke bolo :smith
 
Yes we got comprehensively beat by an ordinary Indian team. Where did I not accept that? I hope you are here if it goes pear-shaped for your boys in the next match.

Sood samed jawaab milega, soch samajh ke bolo :smith

Well, I am surprised we won today actually with this poor team which was getting beaten by Hongkong last night. So Pak beating Ind next time is not at all shocking...and I am all ready for that. But the way few posters (all hiding now mind you :yk) were acting here, its a fun day today for us to witness this mauling :uakmal
 
We had an absolute shocker, it happens and I’m over it. Next game I’m sure we’ll be more competitive but I am concerned with how bad we are at playing spin. The new crop are decent against pace bowling, a positive shift from a few years ago and it fits our short term goals in challenging for the World Cup but in the long term we need players that are good against both. Atm it doesn’t look like we have any, Babar is ok but doesn’t have it in him to bat a spinner out of the attack...
 
Pakistan doesn’t have any outstanding spinners in domestic cricket for it to be an issue. Nawaz is bang average and will contribute nothing against either India or Bangladesh.

That's absolutely not true - outstanding spinners don't drop from tree as as ripe coconut. One has to groom potential spinners and frankly speaking I don't back Arthur to do that, least said about Sarfraz is better. This is for one reason I have mentioned many times that Arthur being an excellent Coach would be last man in my order ever to coach BD side, a team heavily dependent on spinners.

First holding on to MoHa, denied at least 2/3 promising spinners for 3-4 years and now they are trying same with Nawaz & Imad apparently for their "ability to bat". And next is, they are going to extract few overs of darting from Fakhar, which previously was tried through Haris, when Gohar could have been an excellent prospect and guy can bat as well, not to mention RHasan who was excellent in 2012 T20 WC. And, there is this Irfan guy, who seems to be a genuine turner of Leg spin.
 
Pakistan has plenty of leg spinners but the problemwith Leggies is that they are either boom or bust, not consistently economical and taking wickets at the same time
 
Pakistan has lost just a casual league match...not the tourney finals

Exactly, plus the victory will feel more special for us and much worse for the indian fans, CT repeat.
 
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I am sorry but that is very odd thinking from Mickey Arthur.

ODIs today are all about batsmen capable of doing everything. If you are set up 350 to chase, will you go out with the plan that only Fakhar and Asif will play positively while others bat around them? lol, good luck with that plan.

If anything he should back the intent shown, today it didn't come off. Other day Pak could've been 80/0 in first 10.
 
Anyone find these comments unusual? Like stand up to India.It feels like Mickey know how to give statements like these(even as a foreigner) which will be music to Pakistani supporters ears. Odd
 
Lack of spinners is costing Pakistan heavily. Since they don't have a genuine spinner in the squad they should settle with Nawaz in Usman's place. Hassan should bowl tight lengths and line and expect batsmen to make mistakes rather than trying too much in these unfriendly conditions and avoid trying those unnecessary short balls. Batsmen should just rotate strike and not look for glory every ball like how Malik and Babar batted. Barring Babar's wicket every other wicket was due to poor high risk shots.
 
guess Nawaz and Shaheen should come in for shinwari and Faheem vs Afghanistan to make them ready for India game its possible they might bowl well than others
 
I feel mickey arthur actually runs this team,moulds it to his liking.He keeps sarfaraz ahmed around because he wont object to his overbearing role as a weak captain.For good or for bad.
 
I am sorry but that is very odd thinking from Mickey Arthur.

ODIs today are all about batsmen capable of doing everything. If you are set up 350 to chase, will you go out with the plan that only Fakhar and Asif will play positively while others bat around them? lol, good luck with that plan.

If anything he should back the intent shown, today it didn't come off. Other day Pak could've been 80/0 in first 10.

But these aren't 350 pitches.
 
Very solid and candid comments from Mickey. Good to see that he knows where we went wrong especially the way he explained how batters forgot their roles and how bowlers forget their plans, you can see that the team was in panic mode.

I dont understand why the team took so much unnecessary pressure. It was almost as if each and every player felt like they had something to prove. I am backing the team to come back in the next matches. We cannot afford to be Pakistan of old that chokes in high pressure matches.
 
Wait...India is a poor team even w/o Kohli?

What :))

They still have Rohit/Dhawan/Rayadu/Karthik/Dhoni/Pandya/Bumrah/Bhuvi/Yadav and Chahal. :)))

Please stop this idiotic narrative because you've beating your rivals, it's very tiresome.
 
Wait...India is a poor team even w/o Kohli?

What :))

They still have Rohit/Dhawan/Rayadu/Karthik/Dhoni/Pandya/Bumrah/Bhuvi/Yadav and Chahal. :)))

Please stop this idiotic narrative because you've beating your rivals, it's very tiresome.

Rayudu and Dhoni are mediocre players now. Also it is a Pakistani supporter who thinks that India is a poor team without Kohli.
 
Yet that didn't stop Rohit from playing positive? Point is, you don't restrict batsman to a particular role, they should use their brain to decide what's best for the team and do that.

That is a strict no no in today's world. Planning has its place everywhere.
 
Anyone find these comments unusual? Like stand up to India.It feels like Mickey know how to give statements like these(even as a foreigner) which will be music to Pakistani supporters ears. Odd
Me too. I don't even understand what the title of this thread means. Stand up to India? What does that mean?
 
I am sorry but that is very odd thinking from Mickey Arthur.

ODIs today are all about batsmen capable of doing everything. If you are set up 350 to chase, will you go out with the plan that only Fakhar and Asif will play positively while others bat around them? lol, good luck with that plan.

If anything he should back the intent shown, today it didn't come off. Other day Pak could've been 80/0 in first 10.

Have to agree with this, a strike rate of 90 is the bare minimum now, even accumulators are expected to super accelerate at the end. Our team is still stuck in the 90's
 
Have to agree with this, a strike rate of 90 is the bare minimum now, even accumulators are expected to super accelerate at the end. Our team is still stuck in the 90's

These aren’t 300+ scoring wickets. Anything around 275 would’ve been a winning score. Could’ve got that by batting sensibly. It’s about playing according to the conditions, not just a gung ho approach.
 
Yet that didn't stop Rohit from playing positive? Point is, you don't restrict batsman to a particular role, they should use their brain to decide what's best for the team and do that.

Not about 'playing positive'.

Let's analyse what actually happened, which Mickey has alluded to in this very presser itself.

In the first 6 overs, India's run-rate was below 3. The pacers were trying to hit a good length in the off-stump channel in order to limit scoring opportunities, and it was working. It's the same thing that the Indian pacers did and they made our batsmen commit mistakes.

However, our pacers didn't have the patience to continue with it. Usman changed the angle of delivery and started trying to bowl at Rohit's body. He was on 6 off 17 balls at one point. After the strategy changed, he ended up making 52 off 39. He wouldn't have made those runs, certainly not at that strike-rate if the bowlers had stuck to their pre-innings plan.

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The likes of Imam and Babar haven't been restricted to a particular role. They've always played this way, they are naturally less aggressive than Fakhar and Asif. The problem is that while Babar does appear to have the game for ODIs as he's generally a fluent player and times the ball well, the same can't be said for Imam. He isn't good at rotating strike or piercing the gaps.

The bigger issue of contention here is that the point of having one 'solid' opener is outdated in modern day ODIs and it's something we need to move on from, but that's a discussion for another day.

As far as this tournament goes, it's one of the rare occasions where scores under 300 are still match-winning, and by good margins. If we're batting first, we need to assess conditions properly and the batsmen need to be calmer instead of losing their minds after the fall of a wicket or a couple of maidens. No suicidal boom or bust approach is required, pragmatism is the order of the day.
 
If Pak batsman cannot even rotate strike to Bhuvi and Bumrah, then at least score off guys like Jhadav and Pandya. Jadhav taking 3 wickets... :facepalm:
 
Only problem with the young team is that they loose patience if they can't get on top of the bowlers immediately. Pakistan was playing easy opponent. India is not Zim and India had tough opponent in England. Guys like Imam and Asif are going to be the weak link.
 
As far as this tournament goes, it's one of the rare occasions where scores under 300 are still match-winning, and by good margins. If we're batting first, we need to assess conditions properly and the batsmen need to be calmer instead of losing their minds after the fall of a wicket or a couple of maidens. No suicidal boom or bust approach is required, pragmatism is the order of the day.

I agree the bit about Pakistani bowlers losing their patience.

But when a bowling side sticks to plan for long periods, like Indian bowlers did, a batsman has to do something to put a bowler off his plans.

It is not about going at every ball. What imo Mickey should've focused on was, asking his batsman to choose the right ball to attack. Not tell couple of them to play conservative cricket. If he feels they don't have that game then imo that's a bigger issue as I don't see a point in investing in one dimensional players.
 
More than anything, it was the manner of the loss that was disappointing. I don't think India did anything spectacular and we played their specialist spinners pretty well, but losing the openers early really set us back and after the Babar/Malik partnership the rest of the batsmen decided to make Jadhav look like the second coming of Murali.

PCT played better yesterday vs Afghanistan but there's still a few things to work on.

Backing the boys to bounce back tomorrow.
 
India sets up Pakistani batsmen like how Australia used to set them up in the late 90’s. They bowl tight lines at a good length and wait for the batsmen to panic. Obviously, in the past India did not have the bowlers to pound that good length. Now they do. Pakistani openers need to get over the first 6 to 8 overs like they did at the ct. runs will come after
 
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