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Wasim Akram quotes from the interview:
"Both (Misbah and Imran) are different captains. I have worked with Misbah during PSL"

"Imran was my captain and my mentor; Imran was very positive and very aggressive but Misbah was the opposite of that"

"In terms of records, Misbah has a better one than Imran"

"They are different personalities and there is no point in comparing them"

"Imran to me is the best Cricket Captain which world Cricket has ever seen"

"Sarfraz is the only candidate after Misbah's departure as captain for Tests but he needs to improve his fitness"

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as a player there is none, Imran is an ATG by any standard



If we are talking about test captaincy results purely, then there may be more of a comparison
 
Great words by the legend for the legend.
 
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Fantastic reply from WA..

Imran just got better and better, in his last 10 years of international cricket he played 51 Tests, averaging 50 with the bat and 19 with the ball. He gave no quarter during some memorable battles with West Indies - Pakistan drew three series with them at a time when everybody else was being bounced out of sight - and he led Pakistan to their first series victory in England in 1987, taking 10 for 77... Source: Cricinfo
 
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Not a good day for misbah fan boys here and imran haters. But well they know cricket more than legends like wasim viv miandad etc
 
A very needless comment by Wasim Akram. You dont need to stress the greatness of the great Khan to put someone else down. You need to use positive words to pull the morale of your team.

I am no Pakistani, but I take offence to that, Misbah has been a great servant to Pakistan cricket. I am sure he never asked to be compared to Imran Khan.
 
A very needless comment by Wasim Akram. You dont need to stress the greatness of the great Khan to put someone else down. You need to use positive words to pull the morale of your team.

I am no Pakistani, but I take offence to that, Misbah has been a great servant to Pakistan cricket. I am sure he never asked to be compared to Imran Khan.

This comparison was actually started by our current PCB head Shehryar Khan a few days ago so now all others are trying to jump in with their own statements.
 
Imran Khan is the GOAT but to suggest there is no comparison at all is a severe exaggeration of giga proportions.
 
Misbah is the 2nd greatest Pakistan Test captain, and yes, Imran is quite ahead.

But Wasim is just bitter here, because he isn't regarded as highly as Misbah in the world when it comes to captaincy.
 
This comparison was actually started by our current PCB head Shehryar Khan a few days ago so now all others are trying to jump in with their own statements.

Then its time you get rid of Shehryar! He has lost it. You dont publicly put down your own players. The least they deserve is respect!
 
A good captain. No different to Dhoni or whoever. How many ICC trophies did IK win?
Do you not know the time difference? 70s/80s to now?

They only played 1 ICC tournament every 4 year years. Currently, they have U19, WC, T20WC, Champions trophy rotating as ICC tournament (for men). Dhoni is a great captain, no doubt about it. Asking that question shows your limitation in cricket knowledge.
 
Ab thora zayda hogaya... IK was the best ever Pakistani captain. Not the best ever captain across all nations.


Maybe Waz is eyeing a position as head of PCB when IK comes into power in 2018 :srt
 
Imran drew against the Windies in their home

Misbah drew against England in their home.

Both sides are invincible in their home turf...
 
Miandad had a better record than Imran Khan in Test Matches, so Imran is 3rd on the list of most victories by a Pakistani captain...

'The world has ever seen' - guy wins 1/3rd of the test matches he has played, surely there are better captains out there in the test arena
 
Imran drew against the Windies in their home

Misbah drew against England in their home.

Both sides are invincible in their home turf...

LMAO Immy beat England in England


#game over
 
Lol, WI in the 80's was the greatest side ever to play the game. England of the 80's is also far superior to this current WI team.

What about the current England side? They have been undefeated at home for how long? Can someone tell me this please?
 
England lost to Sri Lanka at home in 2014.

I would take that result with a pinch of salt considering Senanayke was reported for a suspect action after the series where he was found to be throwing with 40-70 degree bend
 
Posting one my of my old post on same topic here again:

  • First Pakistani Captain to win a Test series in India.

  • Imran played 15 yes 15 Test matches against India (home and away) but India wasn't able to win a single Test against Pakistan when Imran was captain.

  • First Pakistani Captain to win a Test series in England.

  • First Captain to win a Test match in West Indies after 10 Years. West Indies only lost 1 Test match at home from 1978 to 1988 and that was against Pakistan.

  • From 1976 to 1995 not a single team was able to Draw a Test series in West Indies in 15 years except Pakistan under Imran's captaincy.
  • Under Imran captaincy Pakistan played 3 Test series against great windies but never lost even 1 series against them.
  • A 3-0 whitewash against Australia early in his career as captain.


And there are more facts let's not even go into details how many man of the series and man of the matches Imran won as captain leading from the front... But if you still want to take a look here is the thread http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?187124-Imran-Khan-Leading-From-The-Front
 
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Imran was a great captain ... no doubts at all. GOAT ??... seriously doubt. Imran had the service of bowlers like
Akram,Waqar,Qadir,Qasim,Sarfraz etc during his playing days. PAK team of 80s was only 2nd to WI in over all strength.Bowling line up of PAK in those days rivalled even that of WI in variety.

WI team against which Imran secured 3 drawn series was going thru a transition period with all their great bowlers retired baring Marshal.Batsmen like Lloyd,Richards,Greenidge etc didn't play in all matches of these test series .All in all these 2 teams didn't differ by much in over all strength.

So Imran's captaincy w.r.t WI series is blown a lot out of proportion.Yet Imran was certainly one of the GOAT
captains for sure.
 
Posting one my of my old post on same topic here again:

  • First Pakistani Captain to win a Test series in India.

  • Imran played 15 yes 15 Test matches against India (home and away) but India wasn't able to win a single Test against Pakistan when Imran was captain.

  • First Pakistani Captain to win a Test series in England.

  • First Captain to win a Test match in West Indies after 10 Years. West Indies only lost 1 Test match at home from 1978 to 1988 and that was against Pakistan.

  • From 1976 to 1995 not a single team was able to Draw a Test series in West Indies in 15 years except Pakistan under Imran's captaincy.
  • Under Imran captaincy Pakistan played 3 Test series against great windies but never lost even 1 series against them.
  • A 3-0 whitewash against Australia early in his career as captain.


And there are more facts let's not even go into details how many man of the series and man of the matches Imran won as captain leading from the front... But if you still want to take a look here is the thread http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?187124-Imran-Khan-Leading-From-The-Front
One correction: it's 1974-1995, a period of 21 years when only Pak drew in the Caribbean.
 
imran is all time great captain for pakistan...i think the pp guys doesn,t know how great he was...this current wi team would have been defeated by pakistan A under imran captaincy.....junaids who does watch cricket from 80s may clear it well....misbah as a yess man is good but he is extremely limited batting and leadership wise and lack imagination ..do you pople know how great that team was when imran left and now see ur team which MISBAH IS LEAVING,,so misbah fans should not feel insecure ....give credit when due... misbah even comes after miandad and wasim in captaincy though wasim has some dirty things related to his name..
 
Ab thora zayda hogaya... IK was the best ever Pakistani captain. Not the best ever captain across all nations.


Maybe Waz is eyeing a position as head of PCB when IK comes into power in 2018 :srt

Imran certainly has a strong claim. It is not possible to name one captain as the undisputed best of all time, simply because every captain has different strengths and weaknesses and operate in different circumstances. However, he belongs in the elite league of captains. It is understandable that Wasim is biased towards him because he had a big influence on his early career.

Wasim's insight on his captaincy is mostly refreshing, unlike Shoaib who can't stop reminding everyone how he would have cured cancer and taken 5,000 wickets at an average of 5 under Imran.
 
Imran drew against the Windies in their home

Misbah drew against England in their home.

Both sides are invincible in their home turf...

Comparing the WI team of the 80s to the current Eng team show how limited your knowledge of cricket is.
 
His contemporary Lloyd was better.. WI were a good team before but Lloyd turned them into invincibles
 
Only in Pakistan would we bash on one player to make the other look better.

We should be happy that we had two great Test Captains
 
Ab thora zayda hogaya... IK was the best ever Pakistani captain. Not the best ever captain across all nations.


Maybe Waz is eyeing a position as head of PCB when IK comes into power in 2018 :srt

There is certainly a case for him being the greatest captain of all time.
 
Misbah's captaincy is vastly overrated on PP. He doesn't know when or how to go for the kill . Don't go by just results of matches captained under him. Imran/Wasim were better captains from memory. Misbah is a better test captain than Waqar was but that's about it.
 
Misbah's captaincy is vastly overrated on PP. He doesn't know when or how to go for the kill . Don't go by just results of matches captained under him. Imran/Wasim were better captains from memory. Misbah is a better test captain than Waqar was but that's about it.
Doesn't say much about Misbah, as Waqar is one of the worst captains produced by Pak.
 
Comparing the WI team of the 80s to the current Eng team show how limited your knowledge of cricket is.

Hey, a draw is a draw against an invincible home side. Did Imran win a test series in WI? No he didn't. Teams come and go, time moves on, captains change and times change. However what Misbah has done in this era is unparalleled. Maybe now its not appreciated, but in 5 years time you will appreciate and truly admire Misbah's acheivements on the cricketing pitch. Sometimes it takes a while to put things in perspective
 
Imran certainly has a strong claim. It is not possible to name one captain as the undisputed best of all time, simply because every captain has different strengths and weaknesses and operate in different circumstances. However, he belongs in the elite league of captains. It is understandable that Wasim is biased towards him because he had a big influence on his early career.

Wasim's insight on his captaincy is mostly refreshing, unlike Shoaib who can't stop reminding everyone how he would have cured cancer and taken 5,000 wickets at an average of 5 under Imran.

That was funny :)))
 
Posting one my of my old post on same topic here again:

  • First Pakistani Captain to win a Test series in India.

  • Imran played 15 yes 15 Test matches against India (home and away) but India wasn't able to win a single Test against Pakistan when Imran was captain.

  • First Pakistani Captain to win a Test series in England.

  • First Captain to win a Test match in West Indies after 10 Years. West Indies only lost 1 Test match at home from 1978 to 1988 and that was against Pakistan.

  • From 1976 to 1995 not a single team was able to Draw a Test series in West Indies in 15 years except Pakistan under Imran's captaincy.
  • Under Imran captaincy Pakistan played 3 Test series against great windies but never lost even 1 series against them.
  • A 3-0 whitewash against Australia early in his career as captain.


And there are more facts let's not even go into details how many man of the series and man of the matches Imran won as captain leading from the front... But if you still want to take a look here is the thread http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?187124-Imran-Khan-Leading-From-The-Front

Misbah fan boy conveniently ignoring this post :D [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]
 
Hey, a draw is a draw against an invincible home side. Did Imran win a test series in WI? No he didn't. Teams come and go, time moves on, captains change and times change. However what Misbah has done in this era is unparalleled. Maybe now its not appreciated, but in 5 years time you will appreciate and truly admire Misbah's acheivements on the cricketing pitch. Sometimes it takes a while to put things in perspective

You do realise that it's possible to admire Misbah's achievements without the hyperbole?

Almost all cricketing experts including former players and analysts rate Imran very highly as a cricketer and as a captain.

They also respect Misbah but I have never heard him being compared to any great batsmen, or great captains. He garners respect but is rarely rated amongst the best.
 
Did a little statistical run on the captaincy numbers of IK, Javed, and Misbah and here are some interesting things that I found out.

1. Popular to contrary opinion, Imran never really had a great team with him. Only Javed had, the team that Imran left in the tour of England in 92. Imran himself was actually half the team and more than half the bowling. The first test that he captained had with him Tahir Naqash, and Sikander Bakht as lead seam bowlers.

2. Despite the fact that he lost his first series away to England in 82, which was a closely fought 2-1 win to England, Khan was named the player of the series.

3. Then came the dominant period in his cricketing career where he just blew Australia and India away at home. On pitches where Thompson struggled, Khan stood tall. He was good against Australia but what happened against India was almost unimaginable. In 5 tests, India lost 3 - 2 by an innings and one by ten wickets and all mostly due to Khan. 30 wickets against a star studded Indian batting line in 3 tests that Pakistan won - 11 wickets twice and 8 wickets once. Not even talking about the three that ended in draws. If anyone thinks that India wasn't a batting power house back then - you are mistaken. Gavaskar, Srikanth, Vishwanath, M. Amarnath, Vengasarkar, and Kapil are a daunting batting line-up even by today's standard.


5. In the series against India he felt shin problems and skipped the first three tests of the Australian series. His comeback as a batsman against Australia saw him play as a batting captain. A stubborn and probably wrong move because he remained unfit for the next two years. The fourth test of the series and Khan's first as a captain in Australia ended in a draw. The 5th one saw Australia beat Pakistan where Pakistan fielded an attack in which Mudassar Nazar was the third bowler. Yes, Mudassar Nazr the dibbly dobbly English seam friendly condition 5th bowler was our third seam bowling option. A case against Khan for being stubborn.

6. After that, Khan didn't play cricket for two years and came back against Sri Lanka only to have a drawn away series where we lost a test. This however was the time when Akram had started to play cricket and Khan had one reliable bowler after Qadir.

7. Next comes a patch where we went against the West Indies and didn't lose a series to them. Beat India in India, and England in England for the first time in our history.

8. From 24 Oct 1986 to 9 Dec 1989 - we played against England in England, West Indies in West Indies, and India in India, New Zealand in New Zealand and only lost 2 tests to West Indies - One home and One away and we had an even record against them where we beat them in two tests too.

9. Khan didn't win in Australia again and lost the Melbourne test in 1990 - and hence the checklist of winning a test against Australia as a captain goes unchecked.

a) Even his last series against WI in the 90's ended as a drawn series, while a win against Sri Lanka ended his test captaincy. Stalwarts like Wasim and Waqar - prepared, trained, and handed forward to the next captain. With baggage of course, but no wonder Wasim and Waqar still stand up for their captain even after 26 years.

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Annexure: Khan refused to play against New Zealand in a series when Hadlee pulled out. Miandad led Pakistan and duly thrashed the kiwis 3-0.

Key Findings: Khan may not have won a lot of away matches, and was stubborn, backed players like Manzoor Akhtar, discarded Qasim Umar, and called Younus Ahmed for one test in India and then discarded him again but during all his tenure, we had one somewhat of a bad loss to Sri Lanka away. 15 draws out of 26 away tests are super creditable. He didn't win a test as a captain in Australia - but as a player Sydney Test is a testament that he could win matches over there too.

Khan also left almost on his own terms with a world cup. He could have gone to England high on the world cup success but whatever reason that didn't really mature and Miandad led the team to a glorious summer of test cricket.


Javed Miandad Captaincy Career

1. Javed had 35% of his matches as away matches. The same ratio is 56% for Misbah and 54% for Imran. That said, Misbah has never captained a test on home soil but that is another debate.

2. As a captain, he has won a test in Australia. A series where Pakistan lost 2-1 but eventually won a test in Sydney - thanks to the good batting for once. Needless to say, Khan as a bowler in the series of three test matches took almost 16 wickets and was a major nuisance for Australia.

3. Khan and Miandad over home and away have a better cumulative record against Australia. No mean feat how the aussies have continued to dominate us over the last 18 years starting from 99 and world cup.

4. New Zealand and Sri Lanka suffered major defeats from Javed's hands. None of the teams were power houses and NZL without Hadlee wasn't something that Khan wanted to face.

5. Even though West Indies had the better over him, Miandad had the better of Australia, England, NZL, And SRL. That's like having 80% domination - 4/5 teams dominated on a home and away basis.


Miandad.jpg

Annexure: Miandad's reputation as a solid player who got underneath the skin of opposition has won him plaudits all over the world. It's almost a pity that his tenure coincided with Khan and there was almost a little invisible friction for captaincy in a way. That said, they two have moved from it and so should we. We won more than we lost during their time so not a big problem.

Player development at the end of Miandad's career was a difficult thing. The lobbies in the team were strong and he did lose his dressing room completely. The mutinies ultimately led to a not so graceful ouster of one of our greatest cricketers ever.



Misbah's Captaincy

1. True, when he got a team, we were in shambles. Possibly the worst position that we have ever been. So he gets bonus marks for that even before we do the analysis.

2. Started with two stodgy draws in South Africa. Never played a home test.

3. Won the first series abroad in New Zealand at the back of a manic away session in which Pakistan bowling tore Nzl apart like the glorious 90's.

4. Had a great opportunity to win a test series in west indies but couldn't. Lost a match.

5. A 12 match unbeaten run saw a dominating and crushing win over England. Created great anticipation for the away tour to South Africa. Saw losing 5 tests in the next 7. 4 to South Africa and one to Zimbabwe.

6. Loads of cricket against Sri Lanka - a good win in Sharjah was equaled by Sri Lanka when Mathews won the game in dying light. Dominated Australia like old times in UAE and England again. Had the highlight of his career at Lords - a century to go by winning a match but the number one bubble didn't even stay for a few months.

7. Bad away results - 3 zip in Australia and 1-0 in Nzl and one more loss against West Indies both home and away.

Misbah.jpg

Statistical analysis on Misbah's numbers shows that he has totally dominated England and Bangladesh. Has lost plenty of series and a couple of them have been pretty embarrassing. Misbah's biggest strength has been the resilience -- came back stronger once Ajmal was banned in test cricket and unleashed Yasir Shah. That said, the soft losses that we have had in his tenure are almost unforgivable.

Kinda quoting Warne - Misbah has played the same test 55* times. Bat first, build 450, choke the other opposition to 250-300, score another 300 in the second innings and win it in the 4th innings through Yasir or Ajmal. Tried doing the same in Australia in Melbourne, shouldn't have lost the Port Elizabeth test in RSA, and the losses against WI are almost criminal (both home and away).


Khan played 15 matches against India - home and away - and never even lost a single test. Won against England in England (a series), India in India (the first and only time in our history - and maintained a mental dominance over India that took years to full wear off, stood up to West Indies and made a team full of very average individuals very difficult to beat even in difficult tours.

Misbah's team has a losing percentage of 34%, Miandad 17%, and Khan 16%. Yes Misbah has won more test, but he also loses more and loses more often.
 
No credit because it is idiotic to mix his cricketing career with his political career. They are two completely separate entities.

Politics has nothing to do with IK's achievements as a cricketer. Can't agree time and time again with IK the politician but his cricketing achievements are set in stone.

Strange that some people don't see that and only focus on his politics.
 
Did a little statistical run on the captaincy numbers of IK, Javed, and Misbah and here are some interesting things that I found out.

1. Popular to contrary opinion, Imran never really had a great team with him. Only Javed had, the team that Imran left in the tour of England in 92. Imran himself was actually half the team and more than half the bowling. The first test that he captained had with him Tahir Naqash, and Sikander Bakht as lead seam bowlers.

2. Despite the fact that he lost his first series away to England in 82, which was a closely fought 2-1 win to England, Khan was named the player of the series.

3. Then came the dominant period in his cricketing career where he just blew Australia and India away at home. On pitches where Thompson struggled, Khan stood tall. He was good against Australia but what happened against India was almost unimaginable. In 5 tests, India lost 3 - 2 by an innings and one by ten wickets and all mostly due to Khan. 30 wickets against a star studded Indian batting line in 3 tests that Pakistan won - 11 wickets twice and 8 wickets once. Not even talking about the three that ended in draws. If anyone thinks that India wasn't a batting power house back then - you are mistaken. Gavaskar, Srikanth, Vishwanath, M. Amarnath, Vengasarkar, and Kapil are a daunting batting line-up even by today's standard.


5. In the series against India he felt shin problems and skipped the first three tests of the Australian series. His comeback as a batsman against Australia saw him play as a batting captain. A stubborn and probably wrong move because he remained unfit for the next two years. The fourth test of the series and Khan's first as a captain in Australia ended in a draw. The 5th one saw Australia beat Pakistan where Pakistan fielded an attack in which Mudassar Nazar was the third bowler. Yes, Mudassar Nazr the dibbly dobbly English seam friendly condition 5th bowler was our third seam bowling option. A case against Khan for being stubborn.

6. After that, Khan didn't play cricket for two years and came back against Sri Lanka only to have a drawn away series where we lost a test. This however was the time when Akram had started to play cricket and Khan had one reliable bowler after Qadir.

7. Next comes a patch where we went against the West Indies and didn't lose a series to them. Beat India in India, and England in England for the first time in our history.

8. From 24 Oct 1986 to 9 Dec 1989 - we played against England in England, West Indies in West Indies, and India in India, New Zealand in New Zealand and only lost 2 tests to West Indies - One home and One away and we had an even record against them where we beat them in two tests too.

9. Khan didn't win in Australia again and lost the Melbourne test in 1990 - and hence the checklist of winning a test against Australia as a captain goes unchecked.

a) Even his last series against WI in the 90's ended as a drawn series, while a win against Sri Lanka ended his test captaincy. Stalwarts like Wasim and Waqar - prepared, trained, and handed forward to the next captain. With baggage of course, but no wonder Wasim and Waqar still stand up for their captain even after 26 years.

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Annexure: Khan refused to play against New Zealand in a series when Hadlee pulled out. Miandad led Pakistan and duly thrashed the kiwis 3-0.

Key Findings: Khan may not have won a lot of away matches, and was stubborn, backed players like Manzoor Akhtar, discarded Qasim Umar, and called Younus Ahmed for one test in India and then discarded him again but during all his tenure, we had one somewhat of a bad loss to Sri Lanka away. 15 draws out of 26 away tests are super creditable. He didn't win a test as a captain in Australia - but as a player Sydney Test is a testament that he could win matches over there too.

Khan also left almost on his own terms with a world cup. He could have gone to England high on the world cup success but whatever reason that didn't really mature and Miandad led the team to a glorious summer of test cricket.


Javed Miandad Captaincy Career

1. Javed had 35% of his matches as away matches. The same ratio is 56% for Misbah and 54% for Imran. That said, Misbah has never captained a test on home soil but that is another debate.

2. As a captain, he has won a test in Australia. A series where Pakistan lost 2-1 but eventually won a test in Sydney - thanks to the good batting for once. Needless to say, Khan as a bowler in the series of three test matches took almost 16 wickets and was a major nuisance for Australia.

3. Khan and Miandad over home and away have a better cumulative record against Australia. No mean feat how the aussies have continued to dominate us over the last 18 years starting from 99 and world cup.

4. New Zealand and Sri Lanka suffered major defeats from Javed's hands. None of the teams were power houses and NZL without Hadlee wasn't something that Khan wanted to face.

5. Even though West Indies had the better over him, Miandad had the better of Australia, England, NZL, And SRL. That's like having 80% domination - 4/5 teams dominated on a home and away basis.


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Annexure: Miandad's reputation as a solid player who got underneath the skin of opposition has won him plaudits all over the world. It's almost a pity that his tenure coincided with Khan and there was almost a little invisible friction for captaincy in a way. That said, they two have moved from it and so should we. We won more than we lost during their time so not a big problem.

Player development at the end of Miandad's career was a difficult thing. The lobbies in the team were strong and he did lose his dressing room completely. The mutinies ultimately led to a not so graceful ouster of one of our greatest cricketers ever.



Misbah's Captaincy

1. True, when he got a team, we were in shambles. Possibly the worst position that we have ever been. So he gets bonus marks for that even before we do the analysis.

2. Started with two stodgy draws in South Africa. Never played a home test.

3. Won the first series abroad in New Zealand at the back of a manic away session in which Pakistan bowling tore Nzl apart like the glorious 90's.

4. Had a great opportunity to win a test series in west indies but couldn't. Lost a match.

5. A 12 match unbeaten run saw a dominating and crushing win over England. Created great anticipation for the away tour to South Africa. Saw losing 5 tests in the next 7. 4 to South Africa and one to Zimbabwe.

6. Loads of cricket against Sri Lanka - a good win in Sharjah was equaled by Sri Lanka when Mathews won the game in dying light. Dominated Australia like old times in UAE and England again. Had the highlight of his career at Lords - a century to go by winning a match but the number one bubble didn't even stay for a few months.

7. Bad away results - 3 zip in Australia and 1-0 in Nzl and one more loss against West Indies both home and away.

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Statistical analysis on Misbah's numbers shows that he has totally dominated England and Bangladesh. Has lost plenty of series and a couple of them have been pretty embarrassing. Misbah's biggest strength has been the resilience -- came back stronger once Ajmal was banned in test cricket and unleashed Yasir Shah. That said, the soft losses that we have had in his tenure are almost unforgivable.

Kinda quoting Warne - Misbah has played the same test 55* times. Bat first, build 450, choke the other opposition to 250-300, score another 300 in the second innings and win it in the 4th innings through Yasir or Ajmal. Tried doing the same in Australia in Melbourne, shouldn't have lost the Port Elizabeth test in RSA, and the losses against WI are almost criminal (both home and away).


Khan played 15 matches against India - home and away - and never even lost a single test. Won against England in England (a series), India in India (the first and only time in our history - and maintained a mental dominance over India that took years to full wear off, stood up to West Indies and made a team full of very average individuals very difficult to beat even in difficult tours.

Misbah's team has a losing percentage of 34%, Miandad 17%, and Khan 16%. Yes Misbah has won more test, but he also loses more and loses more often.

This top post is calling [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]
 
It's unfair to compare the achiements of Imran and Misbah.

Imran had a strong team while Misbah captained a side with mainly mediocre players
 
It's unfair to compare the achiements of Imran and Misbah.

Imran had a strong team while Misbah captained a side with mainly mediocre players

Imran had a strong team is a myth.
 
Comparing the WI team of the 80s to the current Eng team show how limited your knowledge of cricket is.

Hahah exactly.. :))) [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION] seriously???
England and Great windies ????
 
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I would take that result with a pinch of salt considering Senanayke was reported for a suspect action after the series where he was found to be throwing with 40-70 degree bend
That 40/70 degree bend gave simply gave him divine cricketing abilities. It makes complete sense to me now how he won the series for Sri Lanka at the comfort of his Sri Lankan home and not having to play a single game in England, I legit thought I was going crazy. :(

These undisputable points by Sir Waleed is why I rate the stubborn but logical analyst as the bonafide best poster on PP. I just wish I had his knowledge too :(
 
Imran drew against the Windies in their home

Misbah drew against England in their home.

Both sides are invincible in their home turf...

Eng has lost 2 series in the last 5 years at home. Eng also failed to win against NZ and Pakistan at home.
 
Obviously Wasim has tried to downplay Misbah. Just because he got a different mindset doesn't mean that he cant be effective. He was, more than anyone I know.

Imran had a strong team is a myth.

Waqar, Safraz, Aqib, Mushtaq, Qadir, Amir, Saeed, Miandad, not strong?
 
Eng has lost 2 series in the last 5 years at home. Eng also failed to win against NZ and Pakistan at home.

To add, Eng is 5th best in W/L in home in the last 5 years. So not even the top 4 teams at home. Comparing them to great WI side is ridiculous.
 
A very needless comment by Wasim Akram. You dont need to stress the greatness of the great Khan to put someone else down. You need to use positive words to pull the morale of your team.

I am no Pakistani, but I take offence to that, Misbah has been a great servant to Pakistan cricket. I am sure he never asked to be compared to Imran Khan.

Misbah served the country but then he became greedy and selfish and lost whatever he gained by not retiring a year ago. Wasim, like every other cricketer probably did not like people start comparing Misbah with no one else but great IK.
 
Waqar, Safraz, Aqib, Mushtaq, Qadir, Amir, Saeed, Miandad, not strong?

Imran had already achieved everything in Test cricket as captain before 1989. Waqar and Aqib debut was in 1989. Mushtaq and Anwar in 1990. Sarfraz Nawaz was on his last legs and only played 9 matches under Imran and even in 1992 WorldCup Anwar or Waqar were not playing.

Wasim was still learning his tricks under Imran only Miandad was the Great batsman in that batting line up. Misbah also had the services of an ATG batsman in Younis Khan. 2 really good spinners Ajmal & Yasir and a very good batting line up for Test cricket.
 
That 40/70 degree bend gave simply gave him divine cricketing abilities. It makes complete sense to me now how he won the series for Sri Lanka at the comfort of his Sri Lankan home and not having to play a single game in England, I legit thought I was going crazy. :(

These undisputable points by Sir Waleed is why I rate the stubborn but logical analyst as the bonafide best poster on PP. I just wish I had his knowledge too :(

Please check the damage that was done by Senanyke the bowler in that series.
 
You do realise that it's possible to admire Misbah's achievements without the hyperbole?

Almost all cricketing experts including former players and analysts rate Imran very highly as a cricketer and as a captain.

They also respect Misbah but I have never heard him being compared to any great batsmen, or great captains. He garners respect but is rarely rated amongst the best.

Was rated the best test captain of the year of 2016 if I'm not wrong.... the article was published in the Guardian.


People rate his captaincy very highly, the fact that he played away from home all his life and still manage to knock up more wins than our most successful test captain previously i.e Javed Miandad
 
Did a little statistical run on the captaincy numbers of IK, Javed, and Misbah and here are some interesting things that I found out.

1. Popular to contrary opinion, Imran never really had a great team with him. Only Javed had, the team that Imran left in the tour of England in 92. Imran himself was actually half the team and more than half the bowling. The first test that he captained had with him Tahir Naqash, and Sikander Bakht as lead seam bowlers.

2. Despite the fact that he lost his first series away to England in 82, which was a closely fought 2-1 win to England, Khan was named the player of the series.

3. Then came the dominant period in his cricketing career where he just blew Australia and India away at home. On pitches where Thompson struggled, Khan stood tall. He was good against Australia but what happened against India was almost unimaginable. In 5 tests, India lost 3 - 2 by an innings and one by ten wickets and all mostly due to Khan. 30 wickets against a star studded Indian batting line in 3 tests that Pakistan won - 11 wickets twice and 8 wickets once. Not even talking about the three that ended in draws. If anyone thinks that India wasn't a batting power house back then - you are mistaken. Gavaskar, Srikanth, Vishwanath, M. Amarnath, Vengasarkar, and Kapil are a daunting batting line-up even by today's standard.


5. In the series against India he felt shin problems and skipped the first three tests of the Australian series. His comeback as a batsman against Australia saw him play as a batting captain. A stubborn and probably wrong move because he remained unfit for the next two years. The fourth test of the series and Khan's first as a captain in Australia ended in a draw. The 5th one saw Australia beat Pakistan where Pakistan fielded an attack in which Mudassar Nazar was the third bowler. Yes, Mudassar Nazr the dibbly dobbly English seam friendly condition 5th bowler was our third seam bowling option. A case against Khan for being stubborn.

6. After that, Khan didn't play cricket for two years and came back against Sri Lanka only to have a drawn away series where we lost a test. This however was the time when Akram had started to play cricket and Khan had one reliable bowler after Qadir.

7. Next comes a patch where we went against the West Indies and didn't lose a series to them. Beat India in India, and England in England for the first time in our history.

8. From 24 Oct 1986 to 9 Dec 1989 - we played against England in England, West Indies in West Indies, and India in India, New Zealand in New Zealand and only lost 2 tests to West Indies - One home and One away and we had an even record against them where we beat them in two tests too.

9. Khan didn't win in Australia again and lost the Melbourne test in 1990 - and hence the checklist of winning a test against Australia as a captain goes unchecked.

a) Even his last series against WI in the 90's ended as a drawn series, while a win against Sri Lanka ended his test captaincy. Stalwarts like Wasim and Waqar - prepared, trained, and handed forward to the next captain. With baggage of course, but no wonder Wasim and Waqar still stand up for their captain even after 26 years.

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Annexure: Khan refused to play against New Zealand in a series when Hadlee pulled out. Miandad led Pakistan and duly thrashed the kiwis 3-0.

Key Findings: Khan may not have won a lot of away matches, and was stubborn, backed players like Manzoor Akhtar, discarded Qasim Umar, and called Younus Ahmed for one test in India and then discarded him again but during all his tenure, we had one somewhat of a bad loss to Sri Lanka away. 15 draws out of 26 away tests are super creditable. He didn't win a test as a captain in Australia - but as a player Sydney Test is a testament that he could win matches over there too.

Khan also left almost on his own terms with a world cup. He could have gone to England high on the world cup success but whatever reason that didn't really mature and Miandad led the team to a glorious summer of test cricket.


Javed Miandad Captaincy Career

1. Javed had 35% of his matches as away matches. The same ratio is 56% for Misbah and 54% for Imran. That said, Misbah has never captained a test on home soil but that is another debate.

2. As a captain, he has won a test in Australia. A series where Pakistan lost 2-1 but eventually won a test in Sydney - thanks to the good batting for once. Needless to say, Khan as a bowler in the series of three test matches took almost 16 wickets and was a major nuisance for Australia.

3. Khan and Miandad over home and away have a better cumulative record against Australia. No mean feat how the aussies have continued to dominate us over the last 18 years starting from 99 and world cup.

4. New Zealand and Sri Lanka suffered major defeats from Javed's hands. None of the teams were power houses and NZL without Hadlee wasn't something that Khan wanted to face.

5. Even though West Indies had the better over him, Miandad had the better of Australia, England, NZL, And SRL. That's like having 80% domination - 4/5 teams dominated on a home and away basis.


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Annexure: Miandad's reputation as a solid player who got underneath the skin of opposition has won him plaudits all over the world. It's almost a pity that his tenure coincided with Khan and there was almost a little invisible friction for captaincy in a way. That said, they two have moved from it and so should we. We won more than we lost during their time so not a big problem.

Player development at the end of Miandad's career was a difficult thing. The lobbies in the team were strong and he did lose his dressing room completely. The mutinies ultimately led to a not so graceful ouster of one of our greatest cricketers ever.



Misbah's Captaincy

1. True, when he got a team, we were in shambles. Possibly the worst position that we have ever been. So he gets bonus marks for that even before we do the analysis.

2. Started with two stodgy draws in South Africa. Never played a home test.

3. Won the first series abroad in New Zealand at the back of a manic away session in which Pakistan bowling tore Nzl apart like the glorious 90's.

4. Had a great opportunity to win a test series in west indies but couldn't. Lost a match.

5. A 12 match unbeaten run saw a dominating and crushing win over England. Created great anticipation for the away tour to South Africa. Saw losing 5 tests in the next 7. 4 to South Africa and one to Zimbabwe.

6. Loads of cricket against Sri Lanka - a good win in Sharjah was equaled by Sri Lanka when Mathews won the game in dying light. Dominated Australia like old times in UAE and England again. Had the highlight of his career at Lords - a century to go by winning a match but the number one bubble didn't even stay for a few months.

7. Bad away results - 3 zip in Australia and 1-0 in Nzl and one more loss against West Indies both home and away.

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Statistical analysis on Misbah's numbers shows that he has totally dominated England and Bangladesh. Has lost plenty of series and a couple of them have been pretty embarrassing. Misbah's biggest strength has been the resilience -- came back stronger once Ajmal was banned in test cricket and unleashed Yasir Shah. That said, the soft losses that we have had in his tenure are almost unforgivable.

Kinda quoting Warne - Misbah has played the same test 55* times. Bat first, build 450, choke the other opposition to 250-300, score another 300 in the second innings and win it in the 4th innings through Yasir or Ajmal. Tried doing the same in Australia in Melbourne, shouldn't have lost the Port Elizabeth test in RSA, and the losses against WI are almost criminal (both home and away).


Khan played 15 matches against India - home and away - and never even lost a single test. Won against England in England (a series), India in India (the first and only time in our history - and maintained a mental dominance over India that took years to full wear off, stood up to West Indies and made a team full of very average individuals very difficult to beat even in difficult tours.

Misbah's team has a losing percentage of 34%, Miandad 17%, and Khan 16%. Yes Misbah has won more test, but he also loses more and loses more often.

Great post!! Misbah lost often, but he also won more.... at the end of the day, the captain is judged by his victories and not his draws, or defeats..

It also goes to show that in this era, test matches are more result oriented,whereas previously the draws were considered an acceptable result.

Even test match greats like Lara have asked to remove the draw result in Test Matches. There should only be victory or defeat after 5 days of a game.
 
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In this era you would see teams like Australia get defeated 4-0 away from home, or the likes of India get whitewashed in England. You would never see these results back in the day, the draws have decreased mainly because the spectators demand more result oriented test matches [MENTION=133726]GoUgandaCranes[/MENTION]
 
Misbah served the country but then he became greedy and selfish and lost whatever he gained by not retiring a year ago. Wasim, like every other cricketer probably did not like people start comparing Misbah with no one else but great IK.

I dont think Pakistan even has someone who can replace Misbah. I see nothing wrong there. Younis Khan is still playing,so did Shahid Afridi. So why would anyone want Misbah to go?
 
Imran Khan is Captain of Captains!

For me Misbah is not even the 2nd best captain in Pak history. That tag belongs to Javaid Miandad
 
Btw Imran's win count record would be signficantly better if he played all series and didn't sit out series which weren't 'challenging enough'

He missed out on a lot of weak team bashing by not playing easy home series'
 
Sanjay Manjrekar defn holds the same view, the second biggest culprit of victimization syndrome after Kambli.
 
Lots of criticism over Misbah in his tenure including ex cricketer too but don't remember anyone criticizing over Imran except sarfraz nawaz.
 
Please check the damage that was done by Senanyke the bowler in that series.
I did, dunno y u question my integrity :(

That version of Senanayke was blistering, won the series without having to play a single match!
 
The benchmark for the finest Asian team of all time was, as we all know, set by Imran Khan when he returned from long-term injury to resume the Pakistan Test captaincy in March 1985. In the next 7 years until his retirement Pakistan lost just 4 Test matches, 3 of which were in drawn series with the Number 1 ranked West Indies team (the other being in Australia).
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it is fun to drive you out of you own threads ... In those 7 yrs Imran could not even Win against his Arch rivals - India -- at home. A certain 16 yr old was a thorn in his side. Further there was no SAF and Eng/AUS were Crap by your own admission elsewhere. Further more Imran lost a Test match to the Minnows - SL in this time period and came close to losing another. Also could not win a Test against the might NZ.

Going by your own peurile virtue of having beaten SA in SA on the dangerous brute of a pitch at Jo'Burg where Faf was ready to chicken out from and most importantly having to face significantly faster and better fast bowlers that Imran ever played against this Indian team is miles better than that team and would own give a thorough beating down to that team.
 
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The benchmark for the finest Asian team of all time was, as we all know, set by Imran Khan when he returned from long-term injury to resume the Pakistan Test captaincy in March 1985. In the next 7 years until his retirement Pakistan lost just 4 Test matches, 3 of which were in drawn series with the Number 1 ranked West Indies team (the other being in Australia).

This is laughable stuff. Baring Pakistanis, no one really thinks that highly of Pakistan's team of 80s and to say it was the benchmark is ridiculous. Do you know how many test matches Pakistan won under Imran Khan captaincy? A grand total of 14 test matches of 50 he captained. And do you know how many of those 14 test victories were outside Pakistan - 4, which included one victory in Sri Lanka.

For a captain, who over 10 years won 2 test matches in England and one against a rookie team of windies (4-5 debutants in that series) in WI is hailed as some Clive Loyd or Steve Waugh. The hype around Imran on this forum is of comical level.

Ganguly captained the same number of matches as Imran, had 21 victories against 14 of Imran and if I am not wrong, he has around 8-9 victories outside Asia.
 
This is laughable stuff. Baring Pakistanis, no one really thinks that highly of Pakistan's team of 80s and to say it was the benchmark is ridiculous. Do you know how many test matches Pakistan won under Imran Khan captaincy? A grand total of 14 test matches of 50 he captained. And do you know how many of those 14 test victories were outside Pakistan - 4, which included one victory in Sri Lanka.

For a captain, who over 10 years won 2 test matches in England and one against a rookie team of windies (4-5 debutants in that series) in WI is hailed as some Clive Loyd or Steve Waugh. The hype around Imran on this forum is of comical level.

Ganguly captained the same number of matches as Imran, had 21 victories against 14 of Imran and if I am not wrong, he has around 8-9 victories outside Asia.

If its true, he is the most over-hyped captain on PP.
 
This is laughable stuff. Baring Pakistanis, no one really thinks that highly of Pakistan's team of 80s and to say it was the benchmark is ridiculous. Do you know how many test matches Pakistan won under Imran Khan captaincy? A grand total of 14 test matches of 50 he captained. And do you know how many of those 14 test victories were outside Pakistan - 4, which included one victory in Sri Lanka.

For a captain, who over 10 years won 2 test matches in England and one against a rookie team of windies (4-5 debutants in that series) in WI is hailed as some Clive Loyd or Steve Waugh. The hype around Imran on this forum is of comical level.

Ganguly captained the same number of matches as Imran, had 21 victories against 14 of Imran and if I am not wrong, he has around 8-9 victories outside Asia.

Imran Khan is not just hailed by PP as a great captain but also by the very best in the category, such as Ian Chappell.

He is regarded not for his tactics or cricketing nuance but for him changing the Pakistan cricket team mentality. Like Ganguly, Imran established a team-first mentality and challenged his players to adapt to the modern standard.

He took risks with a leg-spinner in an era of fast bowlers, introduced scouted unknowns and mounded them such as Wasim and Waqar, and than ultimately lead his team to World Cup glory.

Imran Khan is a much more acclaimed captain because of his exploits against the West Indies. The only captain to tie three consecutive Tests series against the best team in the world, the West Indies when no one else could barely even compete.

And who came to back and inspire Ganguly to return during the Greg Chappell era?

None other than Imran Khan himself because a great captain recognizes another great captain; regardless of nationality.
 
Imran Khan is not just hailed by PP as a great captain but also by the very best in the category, such as Ian Chappell.

He is regarded not for his tactics or cricketing nuance but for him changing the Pakistan cricket team mentality. Like Ganguly, Imran established a team-first mentality and challenged his players to adapt to the modern standard.

He took risks with a leg-spinner in an era of fast bowlers, introduced scouted unknowns and mounded them such as Wasim and Waqar, and than ultimately lead his team to World Cup glory.

Imran Khan is a much more acclaimed captain because of his exploits against the West Indies. The only captain to tie three consecutive Tests series against the best team in the world, the West Indies when no one else could barely even compete.

And who came to back and inspire Ganguly to return during the Greg Chappell era?

None other than Imran Khan himself because a great captain recognizes another great captain; regardless of nationality.

Boss if we go by what a great says about a particular player, then there is no point of having this forum in first place. There are 100s of great players in cricket and if one of them called Imran a great captain, it won't become the universal truth. Everyone have their own biases and favorites. I put the stats in front of you - Imran Khan over 10 years of captaincy won 14 test matches and just 3 of them were outside Asia. Now you or OP can say this is the benchmark of test captaincy and good luck to both of you.

All this talk about Imran bringing in spinners etc, let me tell you one thing. No one in world cricket made as many flat test wickets in 80s as Pakistan did and that's because Imran captaincy was all about drawing test matches. If he was as good a captain as you guys think then considering the influence he had on PCB, why didn't he get good cricket wickets? Why such flat pitches where Sanjay Manjrekar also managed to score double centuries. I am sorry mate, you can think whatever you want but imran Khan was a very ordinary test captain and stats reveal that.
 
Boss if we go by what a great says about a particular player, then there is no point of having this forum in first place. There are 100s of great players in cricket and if one of them called Imran a great captain, it won't become the universal truth. Everyone have their own biases and favorites. I put the stats in front of you - Imran Khan over 10 years of captaincy won 14 test matches and just 3 of them were outside Asia. Now you or OP can say this is the benchmark of test captaincy and good luck to both of you.

All this talk about Imran bringing in spinners etc, let me tell you one thing. No one in world cricket made as many flat test wickets in 80s as Pakistan did and that's because Imran captaincy was all about drawing test matches. If he was as good a captain as you guys think then considering the influence he had on PCB, why didn't he get good cricket wickets? Why such flat pitches where Sanjay Manjrekar also managed to score double centuries. I am sorry mate, you can think whatever you want but imran Khan was a very ordinary test captain and stats reveal that.
Imran Khan an ordinary Test captain?

Now I have heard it all.

Since you keep harping on about Imran only winning 14 Tests in 10 years...

Here’s a stat for you:

Imran’s W/L Ratio: 1.75

Ganguly’s W/L Ratio: 1.62
 
Imran Khan an ordinary Test captain?

Now I have heard it all.

Since you keep harping on about Imran only winning 14 Tests in 10 years...

Here’s a stat for you:

Imran’s W/L Ratio: 1.75

Ganguly’s W/L Ratio: 1.62

Dude you may have heard it the first time but it's a fact. I am sorry but your stat adds no value to the discussion and you know why -

Kohli's W/L after 37 test matches = 3.0
Javed Miadad W/L = 2.33

And I don't think anyone in right mind will call Kohli a great captain for now. The crux of this thread and the discussion was overseas performance and not in-home performance. OP thot Imran Khan is the benchmark of asian test captaincy, and my argument is fairly simple - a captain who has won 3 tests outside asia can be anything but benchmark for captaincy.

I am sorry to break the bubble but I don't think many people will disagree with the factual argument I have presented. Greatness of captaincy is what Clive Lloyd had and not Imran Khan. Don't get me wrong, I am not at all saying that imran wasn't a great cricketer, he was without a shadow of doubt. But this whole hype of captaincy on this forum is so devoid of facts.
 
Dude you may have heard it the first time but it's a fact. I am sorry but your stat adds no value to the discussion and you know why -

Kohli's W/L after 37 test matches = 3.0
Javed Miadad W/L = 2.33

And I don't think anyone in right mind will call Kohli a great captain for now. The crux of this thread and the discussion was overseas performance and not in-home performance. OP thot Imran Khan is the benchmark of asian test captaincy, and my argument is fairly simple - a captain who has won 3 tests outside asia can be anything but benchmark for captaincy.

I am sorry to break the bubble but I don't think many people will disagree with the factual argument I have presented. Greatness of captaincy is what Clive Lloyd had and not Imran Khan. Don't get me wrong, I am not at all saying that imran wasn't a great cricketer, he was without a shadow of doubt. But this whole hype of captaincy on this forum is so devoid of facts.

If everything was measured by pure statistics alone than Sangakarra is a better batsman than Tendulkar.

OP mentioned Imran’s Team as the Test Standard because it lost ONE series over seven years. (Only losing four Tests during that period). Your man Kohli with a W/L of 3.0 (beasting on a weakened SL side; yes they beat PAK at home) has already lost four Tests this year. By the way, the one series they did lose, to Australia in 1989-1990 would have been tied had bad weather not taken almost all of Day 1 away at Adelaide.

That is seven years and three consecutive Test series ties with the best team to ever play Test cricket, the Windies of the 80’s. The scorecard reads: 3-3-3.

To put into perspective, Ganguly had taken part in three consecutive Australian series and the scorecard read: 4-4-3.

They both won a series in the others’ nation-state but the difference lies in Imran captaining his side to a series win in England, something Ganguly was never able to do.
 
Wasim Akram has always been an IK puppet. Ian Chappell, Mike Brearley, Clive Lloyd. and MS Dhoni are/were all great captains as well. Imran was indeed a great captain but to suggest he was the best is a bit biased coming from Wasim.
 
Wasim Akram has always been an IK puppet. Ian Chappell, Mike Brearley, Clive Lloyd. and MS Dhoni are/were all great captains as well. Imran was indeed a great captain but to suggest he was the best is a bit biased coming from Wasim.

As a Test captain, Imran was inferior to...

Lloyd
Richards
Waugh
Taylor
Chappell
Brearley (The Greatest Cricketing Mind)
 
This is laughable stuff. Baring Pakistanis, no one really thinks that highly of Pakistan's team of 80s and to say it was the benchmark is ridiculous. Do you know how many test matches Pakistan won under Imran Khan captaincy? A grand total of 14 test matches of 50 he captained. And do you know how many of those 14 test victories were outside Pakistan - 4, which included one victory in Sri Lanka.

For a captain, who over 10 years won 2 test matches in England and one against a rookie team of windies (4-5 debutants in that series) in WI is hailed as some Clive Loyd or Steve Waugh. The hype around Imran on this forum is of comical level.

Ganguly captained the same number of matches as Imran, had 21 victories against 14 of Imran and if I am not wrong, he has around 8-9 victories outside Asia.

Imran didn't pick easy wins

He would skip matches against NZ, SL etc. That's also why Javed Miandad also has 14 victories or so
 
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