India at the forefront of a fast bowling renaissance: Ian Bishop

[Abdullah719]

NEW DELHI: Commentator and former West Indies fast bowler Ian Bishop said that world cricket is currently going through a golden period of fast bowling and India are at the forefront of what he called a "fast bowling renaissance." He also said that the best fast bowlers in the world who can play all three formats need to be preserved somewhat like how India have done with Jasprit Bumrah.

"I think we are in a golden period of fast bowling. You look at what the West Indies are bringing, then there is (Mitchell) Starc and (Josh) Hazlewood for Australia along with the number one ranked Test bowler in the world as well (Pat Cummins). England have Jofra Archer and Mark Wood to supplement the experience of (Stuart) Broad and (James) Anderson. Jofra I think has the best action in world cricket," Bishop said on Sony Ten Pit Stop that was aired on the network's Facebook page.

"Pakistan have found at least three young bowlers that are really good. Sri Lanka have one that I can think of, Lahiru Kumara. New Zealand have good quick bowlers as well.

"India are at the forefront of this fast bowling renaissance. They recognised years ago that if you are to be the number one team in the world, you cannot rely on your spinners all the time."

According to Bishop, Bumrah is one of the few fast bowlers in the world who is equally lethal regardless of the format of the game. India have regulated Bumrah's game time, preserving him for Test matches and big ODI matches and using him sparingly for T20Is. Even then, he had sustained a stress fracture in late 2019.

"Jasprit is one of a small group of bowlers, who transcend the various formats of the game. But you can't expect him to last if he is playing every game in every format. The human body cannot do that. India have done a smart thing by limiting him and as fit as he is, he still sustained an injury. He is really serious about his stuff. He said that he had one milkshake during the tour of South Africa. You have to manage these precious resources because he is a generational talent," he said.

Bishop said that the evolution of pitches and a rising call to use the Dukes ball for Test matches has also helped the cause.

"The pitches have also evolved. We see more and more pitches encouraging fast bowling and there is a clarion call to use the Dukes ball instead of the Kookaburra. All of those things combined I think is helping a fast bowling renaissance," he said.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...naissance-ian-bishop/articleshow/76753101.cms

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Pakistan have found at least three young bowlers that are really good

Shaheen, Naseem, and?

 

[hitthestump]

Shaheen, Naseem, and?

The fact that he couldn't name them means he was just being generous. People would be burning effigies if an ex-pro talked about fast bowling developing in India but not Pakistan.

 

[Bewal Express]

Shaheen, Naseem, and?

He was talking Hasnain

 

[Saj]

Shaheen, Naseem, and?

Young.

So Hasnain I reckon.

 

[TeymurBlake]

I agree, they have some really impressive pacers and some coming through there development system.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistan too.

Actually Pakistan seem.to have suddenly j earthed better young fast bowlers.

India currently has the best pace like up in the world though (since 2 years), also the greatest fast bowler from this generation - Mohammad Shami, so it's something to be proud of.

Also, Indian pace trio is at par with West Indian pace trio statistically speaking.

I have huge hopes from Naseem, Shaheen they can be superstars and be the best duo for the next decade actually. Good luck Pakistan, my brothers.

 

[Rana]

Hasnain can be our Harmison if he works hard!

 

[Ab Fan]

I think apart from Stuart Broad, the best fast bowlers are playing for India. So, definitely, Ian Bishop is spot on for that.

 

[Hasan123]

Australian attack is well ahead of India and Pakistan. Don't agree with Bishop that India are at the forefront of a fast bowling revolution.

 

[sweep_shot]

Australian attack is well ahead of India and Pakistan. Don't agree with Bishop that India are at the forefront of a fast bowling revolution.

Agreed.

Australia has Starc, Cummins, and Hazlewood. That's the best pace attack in the world currently. But, India and Pakistan aren't far behind.

 

[Third Man]

Australian attack is well ahead of India and Pakistan. Don't agree with Bishop that India are at the forefront of a fast bowling revolution.

Being at the "forefront of the renaissance" doesn't necessarily mean the best bowling attack. India are certainly leading the charge when it comes to changing their bowling culture, and they're succeeding at it. An Indian bowling attack like the one they have was unthinkable, even a decade ago.

 

[Saj]

I wouldn't say it's a golden generation as many of these guys have a lot to prove yet.

 

[Hasan123]

Being at the "forefront of the renaissance" doesn't necessarily mean the best bowling attack. India are certainly leading the charge when it comes to changing their bowling culture, and they're succeeding at it. An Indian bowling attack like the one they have was unthinkable, even a decade ago.

India aren't leading a change in the world. In their own country they are changing the attitude and mentality towards fast bowling. But as I said Australia have a better attack.

 

[Majid Khan]

I must be getting old and losing my appreciation of top class fast bowling , but having grown up watching the great Fast bowling era of 80s/90s somehow I’ve never quite felt the same ‘wow’ factor or thought to myself now this guy is lethal, watching any Indian pacer - although I’m sure the likes of Nehra and Buneshwar are good bowlers by Indian fast bowling tradition.

Miss the old days when you would see a fast bowler ripping one through to target the rib cage, or a vicious bouncer aimed for the head, or indeed a late swinging yorker that would make you shake your head in disbelief (“did that really happen?”) until you watched it again on replay.

Somehow I’ve never quite got that feeling watching an Indian pacer in any era - anyone else feel the same way?

 

[Slim]

Not really, their only good bowler Bumrah has fallen off rails. Pakistan has the best up and coming bowling talent.

 

[Mamoon]

I must be getting old and losing my appreciation of top class fast bowling , but having grown up watching the great Fast bowling era of 80s/90s somehow I’ve never quite felt the same ‘wow’ factor or thought to myself now this guy is lethal, watching any Indian pacer - although I’m sure the likes of Nehra and Buneshwar are good bowlers by Indian fast bowling tradition.

Miss the old days when you would see a fast bowler ripping one through to target the rib cage, or a vicious bouncer aimed for the head, or indeed a late swinging yorker that would make you shake your head in disbelief (“did that really happen?”) until you watched it again on replay.

Somehow I’ve never quite got that feeling watching an Indian pacer in any era - anyone else feel the same way?

The only Indian bowler who fits your description was a young Ishant who made Ponting, one of the all time great players of short pitched bowling, hop around the crease.

Indian bowlers of this era do not make you jump out of excitement but they are very efficient, very fit and get the job done. The pace that the likes of Bumrah and Shami maintain in their third spells is certainly very impressive.

They don’t target your ribs or hit your head, but they bowl quick and know how to take wickets which is ultimately all that matters. We like to big up our current fast bowlers but they are inconsistent, unfit and run out of steam after their first spell. Shaheen seems to be the only exception.

Having a fast bowler who is not good at taking wickets but can target the rib cage and the skull is obviously more entertaining to watch, and that is why in my opinion, Archer is the most spectacular fast bowler to watch at the moment.

 

[Saj]

Shaheen, Naseem and Hasnain is a mouth-watering prospect, but only if they continue to improve. What worries me about all 3 are injuries, as of late, Pakistani bowlers have become very injury-prone.

 

[pratapj5]

I think if we look at the bigger picture and see the back ups as well and upcoming talents then Australia has the best pace Dept. I would say england next. Pakistan is not far behind but the Frontline pace attack has to start performing consistently as they are still young , raw , inexperienced.
India has got a very good Frontline pace attack but it stops there itself. They don't have talented quality bowlers to back them. if we see whenever bumrah has not played they have struggled. So they depend on them too much. All the Frontline Indian pacers are in their 30s now except for bumrah so iam not really sure as to how long can they keep performing this way. With injuries , dip in pace , bad form , i think the longevity of the attack as a group is doubtful. May be 3-4 yrs Max. Then who is the next best they have got. Probably navdeep saini. But I doubt they will be a good pace attack after this group fades away bcos I don't see any young talented bowler in domestic cricket at the moment. Plus if we look closely the world has started to appreciate Indian attack after just 1 and half good season as a group.

 

[Mesozoic]

Not really, their only good bowler Bumrahhas fallen off rails. Pakistan has the best up and coming bowling talent.

Since 2018....Ishant, Bumrah, Umesh and Shami have averaged 19, 20, 21 and 23 respectively in Test cricket among bowlers who've picked more than 50 wickets. I don't know how you feel about those stats but I think they're pretty good. Bumrah and Shami are world class in ODIs too.

Pakistan had the best "up and coming talent" around 2017-18 too with the likes of Abbas, Hassan, Shinwari etc bursting on to the scene but they sadly couldn't go onto justify their hype in the next couple of years. Shaheen and co have the potential but it's too early to say they're the best thing out there.

 

[Majid Khan]

The only Indian bowler who fits your description was a young Ishant who made Ponting, one of the all time great players of short pitched bowling, hop around the crease.

Indian bowlers of this era do not make you jump out of excitement but they are very efficient, very fit and get the job done. The pace that the likes of Bumrah and Shami maintain in their third spells is certainly very impressive.

They don’t target your ribs or hit your head, but they bowl quick and know how to take wickets which is ultimately all that matters. We like to big up our current fast bowlers but they are inconsistent, unfit and run out of steam after their first spell. Shaheen seems to be the only exception.

Having a fast bowler who is not good at taking wickets but can target the rib cage and the skull is obviously more entertaining to watch, and that is why in my opinion, Archer is the most spectacular fast bowler to watch at the moment.

Agree with you on the whole , and yes it’s true taking wickets and effectiveness is what matters most regardless of pace, aesthetics or excitement factor - but I consider myself privileged to have watched some the greatest fast bowlers at their peaks who ticked both items - they were exciting, had extreme pace and produced the most artistic, beautiful and devastating displays of fast bowling , and guess what ? They were damn well effective too, the averages and stats of the likes of Marshall, Holding, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Donald, to name a few , are actually right up there. These were bowlers who would leave you in awe watching them in full flow.

But I accept those are fast bowling legends who are born once in a while - and probably to see so many in the same era has spoiled some of us fans.

Being effective, efficient and consistent as a sportsman is clearly the most important thing - but the best of the best are those who deliver on that front combined with producing displays of spectacular performances that show their full repertoire of skills and talent - which we as fans then realise is what separate them from the rest.

 

[pratapj5]

Let's just look at all the resources each team has got.
1. AUSTRALIA :-
Main - STARC , Cummins , Hazelwood.
Back up - jhy Richardson , stanlake ,
pattinson , Aaron summers ,
Brendon dogget and the list goes
on.
So AUS has got a battery of fast bowlers as future and back ups.

2. ENGLAND :-
Main - Anderson , broad , Archer , Stokes ,
wokes
Back up - wood , saqib Mahmood , Craig
overton , Jamie overton , Tom
barber , George garton and the list
goes on.

Again even ENG has got plenty of resources for future.

3. PAKISTAN :-
Main - Shaheen , Naseem , Abbas , Faheem
Back up - Hasnain , Haris rauf , Dilbar
hussain , Musa , Akif Javed ,
Mohammad ilyas , Mir Hamza

So PAK has got a strong back up for future
As well.

4 . NEW ZEALAND :-
Main - Boult , southee , Wagner ,ferguson
Back up - Henry , Jamieson , Milne

New Zealand has got decent stock but they also always tend to surprise the world with another young talent.

Here is my point about India now.

5. INDIA :-
Main - Shami , Ishant , Bumrah ,
Bhuwneshwar , Umesh.

Back up - Navdeep saini , Shivam mavi ( may
be only to a certain extent).

That is it . So the point here is India will need new fast bowlers after 3 yrs. as the main fast bowlers apart from bumrah are all in their 30s.
Some of them even have started to have injury concerns. But when they look at their back up pool they have nobody to look at apart from a Navdeep saini .
India doesn't has a strong back up pool for future like the above mentioned countries have. So I think India still has problems in that pace attack.
And as i said lets not forget that everyone is talking about India only after 1 & half years of good season. They still depend a lot on bumrah in death overs.

Australia is the best attack Currently and lets be honest they have been the best for quite some time now.

The next cycle of overseas tours will determine a lot for the so called best in the world Indian attack.

 

[Kingpin786]

Let's just look at all the resources each team has got.
1. AUSTRALIA :-
Main - STARC , Cummins , Hazelwood.
Back up - jhy Richardson , stanlake ,
pattinson , Aaron summers ,
Brendon dogget and the list goes
on.
So AUS has got a battery of fast bowlers as future and back ups.

2. ENGLAND :-
Main - Anderson , broad , Archer , Stokes ,
wokes
Back up - wood , saqib Mahmood , Craig
overton , Jamie overton , Tom
barber , George garton and the list
goes on.

Again even ENG has got plenty of resources for future.

3. PAKISTAN :-
Main - Shaheen , Naseem , Abbas , Faheem
Back up - Hasnain , Haris rauf , Dilbar
hussain , Musa , Akif Javed ,
Mohammad ilyas , Mir Hamza

So PAK has got a strong back up for future
As well.

4 . NEW ZEALAND :-
Main - Boult , southee , Wagner ,ferguson
Back up - Henry , Jamieson , Milne

New Zealand has got decent stock but they also always tend to surprise the world with another young talent.

Here is my point about India now.

5. INDIA :-
Main - Shami , Ishant , Bumrah ,
Bhuwneshwar , Umesh.

Back up - Navdeep saini , Shivam mavi ( may
be only to a certain extent).

That is it . So the point here is India will need new fast bowlers after 3 yrs. as the main fast bowlers apart from bumrah are all in their 30s.
Some of them even have started to have injury concerns. But when they look at their back up pool they have nobody to look at apart from a Navdeep saini .
India doesn't has a strong back up pool for future like the above mentioned countries have. So I think India still has problems in that pace attack.
And as i said lets not forget that everyone is talking about India only after 1 & half years of good season. They still depend a lot on bumrah in death overs.

Australia is the best attack Currently and lets be honest they have been the best for quite some time now.

The next cycle of overseas tours will determine a lot for the so called best in the world Indian attack.

brilliant analysis

 

[Third Man]

Let's just look at all the resources each team has got.
1. AUSTRALIA :-
Main - STARC , Cummins , Hazelwood.
Back up - jhy Richardson , stanlake ,
pattinson , Aaron summers ,
Brendon dogget and the list goes
on.
So AUS has got a battery of fast bowlers as future and back ups.

2. ENGLAND :-
Main - Anderson , broad , Archer , Stokes ,
wokes
Back up - wood , saqib Mahmood , Craig
overton , Jamie overton , Tom
barber , George garton and the list
goes on.

Again even ENG has got plenty of resources for future.

3. PAKISTAN :-
Main - Shaheen , Naseem , Abbas , Faheem
Back up - Hasnain , Haris rauf , Dilbar
hussain , Musa , Akif Javed ,
Mohammad ilyas , Mir Hamza

So PAK has got a strong back up for future
As well.

4 . NEW ZEALAND :-
Main - Boult , southee , Wagner ,ferguson
Back up - Henry , Jamieson , Milne

New Zealand has got decent stock but they also always tend to surprise the world with another young talent.

Here is my point about India now.

5. INDIA :-
Main - Shami , Ishant , Bumrah ,
Bhuwneshwar , Umesh.

Back up - Navdeep saini , Shivam mavi ( may
be only to a certain extent).

That is it . So the point here is India will need new fast bowlers after 3 yrs. as the main fast bowlers apart from bumrah are all in their 30s.
Some of them even have started to have injury concerns. But when they look at their back up pool they have nobody to look at apart from a Navdeep saini .
India doesn't has a strong back up pool for future like the above mentioned countries have. So I think India still has problems in that pace attack.
And as i said lets not forget that everyone is talking about India only after 1 & half years of good season. They still depend a lot on bumrah in death overs.

Australia is the best attack Currently and lets be honest they have been the best for quite some time now.

The next cycle of overseas tours will determine a lot for the so called best in the world Indian attack.

I can name another two Indian youngsters: Akash Singh and Kamlesh Nagarkoti. I think India has good enough stocks and they have a good system in place now. Shouldn't have too many problems for the future.

 

[Third Man]

I can name another two Indian youngsters: Akash Singh and Kamlesh Nagarkoti. I think India has good enough stocks and they have a good system in place now. Shouldn't have too many problems for the future.

Add Kartik Tyagi to that. I'm not saying all of these guys will go on to have great careers, but if we're talking about potential, it's there.

 

[Kingpin786]

Add Kartik Tyagi to that. I'm not saying all of these guys will go on to have great careers, but if we're talking about potential, it's there.

Similarly Sameen gul from pakistan can be a good prospect

 

[Ab Fan]

In terms of potential, Pakistan is up there with the very best in business.

India have a better cricket setup and administration and hence we will continue to produce good to great fast bowlers. For ATG calibre, we will need someone with immense potential though.

 

[IAJ]

Pakistan too.

Actually Pakistan seem.to have suddenly j earthed better young fast bowlers.

India currently has the best pace like up in the world though (since 2 years), also the greatest fast bowler from this generation - Mohammad Shami, so it's something to be proud of.

Also, Indian pace trio is at par with West Indian pace trio statistically speaking.

I have huge hopes from Naseem, Shaheen they can be superstars and be the best duo for the next decade actually. Good luck Pakistan, my brothers.

It was only a matter of time before Pakistan produced lethal fast bowlers again considering their rich history of express bowlers.

But in the last 5 years or so India have started to produce very good bowlers.

 

[Indiafan]

The only Indian bowler who fits your description was a young Ishant who made Ponting, one of the all time great players of short pitched bowling, hop around the crease.

Indian bowlers of this era do not make you jump out of excitement but they are very efficient, very fit and get the job done. The pace that the likes of Bumrah and Shami maintain in their third spells is certainly very impressive.

They don’t target your ribs or hit your head, but they bowl quick and know how to take wickets which is ultimately all that matters. We like to big up our current fast bowlers but they are inconsistent, unfit and run out of steam after their first spell. Shaheen seems to be the only exception.

Having a fast bowler who is not good at taking wickets but can target the rib cage and the skull is obviously more entertaining to watch, and that is why in my opinion, Archer is the most spectacular fast bowler to watch at the moment.

I dont know if you have not been following indias test but bumrah, shami and Yadav bowl a lot of bouncers targeting batsmen. In fact there have been 6 concussion substitutes in international cricket so far and 4 of them were against India
. The teams include south Africa, west indies and Bangladesh. Bangladesh had to have two concussion substitutes in the same test against india

The reaosn the Indians bowlers Yorkers are so effective is because of their bouncers. In last 2 years there were 4 hat tricks by Indian bowlers, by 4 different bowlers in all 3 different formats and bouncers formed a big part of that

 

[Ab Fan]

The problem with Pakistan in the last 15 years has been that although they were producing very talented fast bowlers but they were not able to develop them and ensure they play the game as professionals which is why none of their bowlers were able to get past even 200 wickets.

The potential is still coming up and it will continue but PCT and their cricket administration need to nourish and develop them properly. A great bowler in current era is the one who stays at the top of his game for atleast 7-8 years and take 200+ test wickets.

For India, it's simple. We didn't had a good cricket setup which is why we weren't producing good fast bowlers but now the change is quite visible.