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India is behind its neighbours Nepal, Pakistan and Bangladesh in a list of 117 countries that tracks hunger and malnutrition, according to a report released by two international non-profits that work for humanitarian aid.
The Global Hunger Index or GHI scores countries on a 100-point "severity scale", where zero is the best score (no hunger) and 100 is the worst. "With a score of 30.3, India suffers from a level of hunger that is serious," the report says.

India fell from 55 in 2014 to 102 in 2019 in the GHI. However, the number of countries has differed from year to year. India ranked 55 out of 76 nations in 2014, 100 out of 119 countries in 2017, and 103 out of 119 countries in 2018. This year's report calculated the index from a sample of 117 nations and India came on 102.

The GHI is a peer-reviewed annual report, jointly published by Ireland's Concern Worldwide and Germany's Welthungerhilfe.

Pakistan is at 94, Bangladesh 88 and Nepal 73 in this year's GHI report that the authors say is designed to comprehensively measure and track hunger at the global, regional, and national levels.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...in-global-hunger-index-of-117-nations-2117522
 
It has not been India's year has it.

From GDP numbers being fabricated, to highest levels of unemployment, to rise of fascism and religious intolerance, to the global embarrassment caused by India's inept military, to Indians ranked poorly in the happiness index, now the global hunger index.

But here is my favourite part from the above:

India fell from 55 in 2014 to 102 in 2019

Now it might just be me, but these dates pretty much coincide with Modi coming into power.

Ahhhhh bless.
 
It has not been India's year has it.

From GDP numbers being fabricated, to highest levels of unemployment, to rise of fascism and religious intolerance, to the global embarrassment caused by India's inept military, to Indians ranked poorly in the happiness index, now the global hunger index.

But here is my favourite part from the above:



Now it might just be me, but these dates pretty much coincide with Modi coming into power.

Ahhhhh bless.

it's pretty much the same. The number of countries that are taken into consideration has been changing over the years.

The presence of millions of illegal immigrants from bangladesh is bound to make an impact.
 
it's pretty much the same. The number of countries that are taken into consideration has been changing over the years.

The presence of millions of illegal immigrants from bangladesh is bound to make an impact.
So these so called millions of illegal Bangladeshis have mostly come within last 5 years? :))

Heck, even Amit shah said they have been there for decades. Or is there usually a 20 year lag after which these illegals affect this ranking?
 
The presence of millions of illegal immigrants from bangladesh is bound to make an impact.

In the last 5 years? Anyway, even if we grant your notion, it would not make a dent let alone impact to a country where 700M are already living below the breadline.

But that's ok, lets blame illegal immigration and not the BJP leadership.
 
it's pretty much the same. The number of countries that are taken into consideration has been changing over the years.

The presence of millions of illegal immigrants from bangladesh is bound to make an impact.

You’re like a broken record
 
So these so called millions of illegal Bangladeshis have mostly come within last 5 years? :))

Heck, even Amit shah said they have been there for decades. Or is there usually a 20 year lag after which these illegals affect this ranking?

i don't understand the 5 years reference here. Can you explain it?
 
You’re like a broken record

you can always ignore posts from any particular poster if you want to. Or at least you may stop quoting if it irritates you that much.

Come with some arguments instead of a rant. A poor quality post above is.
 
i don't understand the 5 years reference here. Can you explain it?

Read the article. India fell from 55 in 2014 to 102 in 2019.

There's your 5 year reference.

In other words, since BJP came into power, Indian people have suffered. But we already knew this.
 
Don't worry guys it is 16th Oct already.... just 2.5 more months to superpower 2020 and then poor and hungry Bangladeshis, Nepalese, Sri Lankans and Pakistanis will be lining up at the India border to seek a better quality of life.
 
Millions of illegal immigrants into the North East is one of the prime reasons for India's drop. Assam and Bengal are filled with those who are not in a position to feed themselves even twice a day.
 
Pouring a few million on 600M who are already impoverished is just white noise. Blaming immigrants is the first phase of denial.
 
i don't understand the 5 years reference here. Can you explain it?

Read the article. India fell from 55 in 2014 to 102 in 2019.

There's your 5 year reference.

In other words, since BJP came into power, Indian people have suffered. But we already knew this.

Yea this.

Are you saying almost all the illegal Bangladeshis came in this 5 year period to have such a negative impact?
 
Yea this.

Are you saying almost all the illegal Bangladeshis came in this 5 year period to have such a negative impact?

the total number of countries also has been increased from 76 to 117.

56/76 could well be same as 102/117.

you would have had a point had india was down from 56/117 to 102/117.
 
BUT... don't miss this.
India was ahead of BOTH pakistan and Bangladesh in 2014.
Now it's 8 spots below pakistan and 14 below Bangladesh

Isn't quite the same as 2014 is it?

the gap will further increase as it will flow in a geometric progression. Pakistan and Bangladesh, both doesn't have illegal immigration issue and hence, in terms of hunger index, they are privileged (latter being a culprit).
 
I want to be clear here, the feeling of hunger is not a joke. It's perhaps the most painful and weird, in the sense, hunger makes you do things, such as commit crime to put food in your belly.

However, the index in the OP is a poor reflection of the self proclaimed superpower of the SC. I mean since BJP was voted into power, India has steadily decline in every index, including economic indexes. Investors are now scratching their heads and asking themselves what the real story of India is - hence the outflows. India's economy is no longer booming, and BJP are to blame.

Alas, all is fair in the name of promoting Hindutva. Why would a chai wala care about 600M people dying of hunger when all he cares about is his Saffron cloak and dagger.
 
I want to be clear here, the feeling of hunger is not a joke. It's perhaps the most painful and weird, in the sense, hunger makes you do things, such as commit crime to put food in your belly.

However, the index in the OP is a poor reflection of the self proclaimed superpower of the SC. I mean since BJP was voted into power, India has steadily decline in every index, including economic indexes. Investors are now scratching their heads and asking themselves what the real story of India is - hence the outflows. India's economy is no longer booming, and BJP are to blame.

Alas, all is fair in the name of promoting Hindutva. Why would a chai wala care about 600M people dying of hunger when all he cares about is his Saffron cloak and dagger.

2014: 56/76

2019: 102/117

How one can conclude whether the concerned subject was deteriorated or not? When the size of the sample changes, comparison between past and current is meaningless.

We can measure weight because 1 g or 1kg is a constant. If the sample of 1g or 1 kg changes over time, then any weight comparision between years ago and now will be invalid. Since it has been constant, thats how we can compare.

That's not the case here.
 
To be ahead of a poor and starving country like India is no achievement. Being 94 on the list is shameful, absolutely shameful.
 
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Not sure how much credibility "Ireland's Concern Worldwide and Germany's Welthungerhilfe" have. Peer reviewed by whom? Germany's Concern Universewide?

Hard to believe the problem of hunger is worse in India given that Pakistan had the world's highest infant mortality rate as reported by UNICEF (a more reliable and well known organization compared to some unknown Ireland's Concern Worldwide and Germany's Welthungerhilfe).

https://www.trtworld.com/life/unicef-pakistan-has-the-worst-infant-mortality-rate-in-the-world-23539

Both India and Pakistan need to do better, but publishing rankings from unknown organizations is rather meaningless.
 
Not sure how much credibility "Ireland's Concern Worldwide and Germany's Welthungerhilfe" have. Peer reviewed by whom? Germany's Concern Universewide?

Hard to believe the problem of hunger is worse in India given that Pakistan had the world's highest infant mortality rate as reported by UNICEF (a more reliable and well known organization compared to some unknown Ireland's Concern Worldwide and Germany's Welthungerhilfe).

https://www.trtworld.com/life/unicef-pakistan-has-the-worst-infant-mortality-rate-in-the-world-23539

Both India and Pakistan need to do better, but publishing rankings from unknown organizations is rather meaningless.

Not that I want to get into an argument about who’s people are more hungry but if you do not know about Welthungerhilfe it is down more to your ignorance than to the credibility of the organization. The organization has a lot of credibility in its field and has been around for over half a century.

In addition the Global hunger Index (GHI) is a tool used often and I am quite surprised that you haven’t heard of it. It’s been quoted in many publications.

Also very convenient that you missed out on the US based International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI) which is one of the founding members of this metric.

I do not want to engage in pointscoring (from your end or mine) on a topic such as hunger but to dismiss GHI as meaningless shows either ignorance or disingenuousness.
 
Not sure what the fuss is all about.

These hungry people should eat Jai Shri Ram for breakfast, Bharat Mata Ki Jai for lunch and say Thank You Modiji as they drift into sweet nightly sleep.

The presence of millions of illegal immigrants from bangladesh is bound to make an impact.

2014: 56/76

2019: 102/117

How one can conclude whether the concerned subject was deteriorated or not? When the size of the sample changes, comparison between past and current is meaningless.

From immigrants to mathematics...

I prostrate before your :cobra

We went below Pakistan. Let that sink in...

Anyway, I'm just coming off a 7 hour drinking session banging my head against a brick wall because it included a Modi fan. At the end of it all, I shook his hand and wished him on his way because this is his current situation:

His decade-plus business that he began soon after engineering, which bought him an upper-middle class life has shut down. At the age of 35, he's job-hunting and trying to enter the IT industry for the first time ever.

And still believes and fights for Modi.

He deserves his fate.
 
Not sure what the fuss is all about.

These hungry people should eat Jai Shri Ram for breakfast, Bharat Mata Ki Jai for lunch and say Thank You Modiji as they drift into sweet nightly sleep.





From immigrants to mathematics...

I prostrate before your :cobra

We went below Pakistan. Let that sink in...

Anyway, I'm just coming off a 7 hour drinking session banging my head against a brick wall because it included a Modi fan. At the end of it all, I shook his hand and wished him on his way because this is his current situation:

His decade-plus business that he began soon after engineering, which bought him an upper-middle class life has shut down. At the age of 35, he's job-hunting and trying to enter the IT industry for the first time ever.

And still believes and fights for Modi.

He deserves his fate.
Well said....

These creatures are someone else, have their heads buried firmly in sand.
 
Not that I want to get into an argument about who’s people are more hungry but if you do not know about Welthungerhilfe it is down more to your ignorance than to the credibility of the organization. The organization has a lot of credibility in its field and has been around for over half a century.

In addition the Global hunger Index (GHI) is a tool used often and I am quite surprised that you haven’t heard of it. It’s been quoted in many publications.

Also very convenient that you missed out on the US based International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI) which is one of the founding members of this metric.

I do not want to engage in pointscoring (from your end or mine) on a topic such as hunger but to dismiss GHI as meaningless shows either ignorance or disingenuousness.
Never engage these creatures. They'll discredit even best agencies if it has dared to discredit event manager.

Now see them call this agency anti national...Oh, wait....
 
India is huge country. These smaller countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh should have been much ahead.

If you take out these 4-5 states such as bihar, jharkhand, madhya pradesh, UP etc . Surely india would be far ahead. These states need to be developed.
Rest there should be other data as well. India surely has more millionaires than all these smaller neighbouring countries rich people combined.
 
India is huge country. These smaller countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh should have been much ahead.

If you take out these 4-5 states such as bihar, jharkhand, madhya pradesh, UP etc . Surely india would be far ahead. These states need to be developed.
Rest there should be other data as well. India surely has more millionaires than all these smaller neighbouring countries rich people combined.
Lol
How is having more millionaires related to the number of people who are starving in your country?

Your comment is just so... LOL

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To be ahead of a poor and starving country like India is no achievement. Being 94 on the list is shameful, absolutely shameful.

Its shameful but Pakistan's ranking has improved by more than 10 (106 to 94) so at least Pakistan is on the right track.
 
India is huge country. These smaller countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh should have been much ahead.

If you take out these 4-5 states such as bihar, jharkhand, madhya pradesh, UP etc . Surely india would be far ahead. These states need to be developed.
Rest there should be other data as well. India surely has more millionaires than all these smaller neighbouring countries rich people combined.

Your argument just exposed India even more, you are claiming India has a larger gap between rich and poor. A country isn't judged by it's rich, it is judged by it's poor and lower middle class.
 
India is huge country. These smaller countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh should have been much ahead.

If you take out these 4-5 states such as bihar, jharkhand, madhya pradesh, UP etc . Surely india would be far ahead. These states need to be developed.
Rest there should be other data as well. India surely has more millionaires than all these smaller neighbouring countries rich people combined.

I don't get this obsession of many Indians showing off how many millionaires and billionaires a country has. Having a ton of billionaires and millionaires is not something to be proud of if there are hundreds of millions in poverty, if unemployment is at 40+ year high, etc.
 
2014: 56/76

2019: 102/117

How one can conclude whether the concerned subject was deteriorated or not? When the size of the sample changes, comparison between past and current is meaningless.

We can measure weight because 1 g or 1kg is a constant. If the sample of 1g or 1 kg changes over time, then any weight comparision between years ago and now will be invalid. Since it has been constant, thats how we can compare.

That's not the case here.

As it has been pointed out, the fact India has fallen behind Pakistan, Nepal, and Bangladesh is the point, not the ranking itself!
 
If you take out these 4-5 states such as bihar, jharkhand, madhya pradesh, UP etc . Surely india would be far ahead.
Why would anyone take these states out of India? lol, are you planning to donate these states to some other country?
 
India surely has more millionaires than all these smaller neighbouring countries rich people combined.
This is forum gold.

How could anyone beat his chest over the number of millionaires' a country has?

Oh I forgot, the event manager has created all those millionaires and billionaires with his tireless (and endless) visits to foreign shores during last 5-odd years....
 
I don't get this obsession of many Indians showing off how many millionaires and billionaires a country has. Having a ton of billionaires and millionaires is not something to be proud of if there are hundreds of millions in poverty, if unemployment is at 40+ year high, etc.
True.

As I said on the other thread, these guys have their heads firmly buried under hundreds of feet of sand, don't expect anything better from them than to shield the event manager from these minor glitches.
 
As it has been pointed out, the fact India has fallen behind Pakistan, Nepal, and Bangladesh is the point, not the ranking itself!

As I've said in many different posts, its easier to stabilize the economy of a small country compared to a country with more than a billion people.

In case of a small country (population wise), Pakistan or Nepal the effort could yield results in 4-5 years. When you have a billion people, you will need 40-50 years to make a difference. It took almost 50 years to eradicate polio in India even though extensive health care projects are taken which had efficient penetration even in remote villages. That's how complicated the system is, in a country such as India. Hence, its not surprising that India fall behind Pakistan or Nepal.
 
As I've said in many different posts, its easier to stabilize the economy of a small country compared to a country with more than a billion people.

In case of a small country (population wise), Pakistan or Nepal the effort could yield results in 4-5 years. When you have a billion people, you will need 40-50 years to make a difference. It took almost 50 years to eradicate polio in India even though extensive health care projects are taken which had efficient penetration even in remote villages. That's how complicated the system is, in a country such as India. Hence, its not surprising that India fall behind Pakistan or Nepal.

You missed the second point. With all the money in India, booming economy, more Billionaires, Hindu pro government, why is hunger increasing?
 
You missed the second point. With all the money in India, booming economy, more Billionaires, Hindu pro government, why is hunger increasing?

If you could state how you calculated the increase in hunger, probably I'll be able to give a more specific answer to your question.
 
True.

As I said on the other thread, these guys have their heads firmly buried under hundreds of feet of sand, don't expect anything better from them than to shield the event manager from these minor glitches.
Who are these guys? Like all those who support BJP? Be specific.
 
Why would anyone take these states out of India? lol, are you planning to donate these states to some other country?
Because there are 29 states and 7 union territories. Like I am from Punjab so i have not seen hunger much.
4 -5 states, if we could develop them then we would improve drastically.
 
If you could state how you calculated the increase in hunger, probably I'll be able to give a more specific answer to your question.

You are stalling.

Funny how you claim it will take 40 to 50 years to make changes in India, but are swift to claim poverty is on the decline in the past 5 years in India.

Hmmm.
 
I do not want to engage in pointscoring (from your end or mine) on a topic such as hunger

What do you think the OP and the dozen replies that followed were about?

Hunger and infant mortality are both tragic, and only economic progress makes it possible that both can reduced/ended. Most of my posts to this forum are about how the countries can progress economically.
 
Welthungerhilfe it is down more to your ignorance than to the credibility of the organization. The organization has a lot of credibility in its field and has been around for over half a century.

Do you have any objective basis for making that claim? Welthungerhilfe yields only 0.5 M Google matches (even Google.de yields only 0.6 M matches) compared to, say, UNICEF 125 M.

The well known NGOs fighting hunger that I have heard about are FAO, Meals on Wheels and Bread for the World, and they have 72 M, 13 M and 4.2 M matches respectively.

You can find FAO's list here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_malnutrition#By_country
 
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Because there are 29 states and 7 union territories. Like I am from Punjab so i have not seen hunger much.
4 -5 states, if we could develop them then we would improve drastically.

Likewise, Punjab accounts for more than 50% of Pakistan Populaton which is a fertile agricultural region with indicators similar to Indian Punjab.
 
You are stalling.

Funny how you claim it will take 40 to 50 years to make changes in India, but are swift to claim poverty is on the decline in the past 5 years in India.

Hmmm.

Neither I claimed poverty was declined nor i claimed poverty was increasing. I asked how one can measure the hunger from the index if the benchmark has been changed over the years.

Coming back to your question, you stated that poverty was increasing. What i am asking here is, how you deduced the increase in hunger and poverty from above benchmark.
 
Neither I claimed poverty was declined nor i claimed poverty was increasing. I asked how one can measure the hunger from the index if the benchmark has been changed over the years.

Coming back to your question, you stated that poverty was increasing. What i am asking here is, how you deduced the increase in hunger and poverty from above benchmark.

No I did not state poverty was increasing. Where did you read this?

What you are asking for is irrelevant.

I will ask the question in another way. With so much money in India, booming economy, a pro Hindu government, why is India falling behind its neighbours when it comes to basic human necessities, like food?

The position of the ranking is neither here nor there because all 4 countries, Pakistan, India, Nepal, and Bangladesh, are on the same index via the same calculation. So if you want the calculation and how its calculated, check the index site, otherwise, I am all ears to how India has fallen behind its neighbours when it comes to hunger.
 
Lazy people here, check the details, don't just react on the headline. They have foolishly added a new category of "climate change", and then the numbers are flawed, India like eg. morality of India are based decade ago, whereas Pakistan is latest.

If anything, India & Pakistan should be on the same page on this. Such ratings are prone to manipulation to bias, and various old data numbers. It doesn't truely reflect developing nations like India and Pakistan....
 
Lazy people here, check the details, don't just react on the headline. They have foolishly added a new category of "climate change", and then the numbers are flawed, India like eg. morality of India are based decade ago, whereas Pakistan is latest.

If anything, India & Pakistan should be on the same page on this. <b>Such ratings are prone to manipulation to bias, and various old data numbers.</b> It doesn't truely reflect developing nations like India and Pakistan....

NGOs are notorious for making lists to get attention. Which is why I don't take their subjective lists seriously. Bit of a waste of time to dive into the methodology of lists of dubious credibility.
 
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Lazy people here, check the details, don't just react on the headline. They have foolishly added a new category of "climate change", and then the numbers are flawed, India like eg. morality of India are based decade ago, whereas Pakistan is latest.

If anything, India & Pakistan should be on the same page on this. Such ratings are prone to manipulation to bias, and various old data numbers. It doesn't truely reflect developing nations like India and Pakistan....

You don't need to read articles or pore over statistics to get a true reflection of developing nations like India and Pakistan, a few recent photos and videos of these developing and shining superpowers will do the job much more emphatically.
 
You don't need to read articles or pore over statistics to get a true reflection of developing nations like India and Pakistan, a few recent photos and videos of these developing and shining superpowers will do the job much more emphatically.

Exactly, the only lazy people here are the RSS apologists who are trying to defending the indefensible.
 
No I did not state poverty was increasing. Where did you read this?

What you are asking for is irrelevant.

I will ask the question in another way. With so much money in India, booming economy, a pro Hindu government, why is India falling behind its neighbours when it comes to basic human necessities, like food?

The position of the ranking is neither here nor there because all 4 countries, Pakistan, India, Nepal, and Bangladesh, are on the same index via the same calculation. So if you want the calculation and how its calculated, check the index site, otherwise, I am all ears to how India has fallen behind its neighbours when it comes to hunger.

I already explained the reason for this.

Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal all are small countries in terms of population. Due to small sample size, even slight deviation will cause greater spike in short term. But in a larger group of people, this strategy doesn't work because temporary measures doesn't yield greater spikes in any aspect.

I already gave an example. To eradicate polio, India had to put a system which even its efficiency at its best, took 50 years to eradicate it. For the same eradication, Nepal or Bangladesh won't have to wait such a long term.

The basic reason is simple. Slight changes to a small sample size brings greater change. But slight change into a larger sample size is negligible.

Even with booming economy, India will need decades before it can eliminate poverty because we host 1/7 of earths population excluding the millions of illegal immigrants.

Govt, rich or poor people and poverty all are part of s system. And the system will take its own time.
 
You don't need to read articles or pore over statistics to get a true reflection of developing nations like India and Pakistan, a few recent photos and videos of these developing and shining superpowers will do the job much more emphatically.

Photos or videos can be deceiving.
 
Imagine how small and insecure a person has to be that they are demolishing this report and questioning its criteria rather than acknowledging the fact that all is not mahaan in their bharat and millions of Indians go to bed hungry everyday.
 
I already explained the reason for this.

Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal all are small countries in terms of population. Due to small sample size, even slight deviation will cause greater spike in short term. But in a larger group of people, this strategy doesn't work because temporary measures doesn't yield greater spikes in any aspect.

I already gave an example. To eradicate polio, India had to put a system which even its efficiency at its best, took 50 years to eradicate it. For the same eradication, Nepal or Bangladesh won't have to wait such a long term.

The basic reason is simple. Slight changes to a small sample size brings greater change. But slight change into a larger sample size is negligible.

Even with booming economy, India will need decades before it can eliminate poverty because we host 1/7 of earths population excluding the millions of illegal immigrants.

Govt, rich or poor people and poverty all are part of s system. And the system will take its own time.

India's rapid economic growth is one of the main reasons for a record decline in poverty, I bet you will not argue with this or pullout the population excuse against a 5 year back-graph. Now it begs to reason, if poverty is in record decline in India, then why isn't hunger on a record decline instead of a steady climb?

I know you will come out with some other excuse, but you and I know deep down, that not only is India's economy a smokescreen, India's Nationalist government is causing more harm to India than good.
 
Photos or videos can be deceiving.

Very true, which is why India hides reality through plausible deniability, and masquerades behind propaganda. I give you an example, most of my friends who have traveled to India said it was fantastic. When asked where they visited, the typical tourist destinations were mentioned. Goa, Mumbai, yada yada yada. Not one has actually traversed the vasts lands and realities of India and they call themselves travelers.

To be fair, India has a well oiled propaganda machine, it's called Bollywood.
 
Millions of illegal immigrants into the North East is one of the prime reasons for India's drop. Assam and Bengal are filled with those who are not in a position to feed themselves even twice a day.

Assam and West Bengal is about 10% of India's population. I dont think that's the only explanation. Child mortality rates are pretty high in places like MP and UP which makes up about a quarter of India's population. I dont think "illegal immigrants" is the answer.
Either way its nothing for any of the south asian countries to be proud about to be on this list.
 
India's rapid economic growth is one of the main reasons for a record decline in poverty, I bet you will not argue with this or pullout the population excuse against a 5 year back-graph. Now it begs to reason, if poverty is in record decline in India, then why isn't hunger on a record decline instead of a steady climb?

I know you will come out with some other excuse, but you and I know deep down, that not only is India's economy a smokescreen, India's Nationalist government is causing more harm to India than good.

to understand why poverty is declining yet, hunger is increasing in india, you will need to look at the section called BPL (below poverty line). The BPL families gets subsidized goods in various aspects. while the APL (above pverty line) will get some benefits, but BPL benefits will always be on top.

Hence, there's a reward if you could claim for BPL. When anyone realizes it, why he or she will stay in APL but not go to the extent of declaring himself BPL in order to get more subsidy? And once you get a BPL card, you can also use this to other aspects such as education in order to get more scholarships etc.

The criteria of declaring BPL hence, has been changed from time to time so that misuse doesn't occur but desi people are too clever to exploit it.

There are hunger issues in india. But there is misuse of BPL cards which itself marks as a benchmark in hunger. And BPL families get ration each month for their daily needs. So it is futile to think that they remain hungry though they will be counted in hunger benchmak.
 
to understand why poverty is declining yet, hunger is increasing in india, you will need to look at the section called BPL (below poverty line). The BPL families gets subsidized goods in various aspects. while the APL (above pverty line) will get some benefits, but BPL benefits will always be on top.

Hence, there's a reward if you could claim for BPL. When anyone realizes it, why he or she will stay in APL but not go to the extent of declaring himself BPL in order to get more subsidy? And once you get a BPL card, you can also use this to other aspects such as education in order to get more scholarships etc.

The criteria of declaring BPL hence, has been changed from time to time so that misuse doesn't occur but desi people are too clever to exploit it.

There are hunger issues in india. But there is misuse of BPL cards which itself marks as a benchmark in hunger. And BPL families get ration each month for their daily needs. So it is futile to think that they remain hungry though they will be counted in hunger benchmak.

Right, what about the illegal immigrants from Bangladesh whom you blamed in the thread?
 
Right, what about the illegal immigrants from Bangladesh whom you blamed in the thread?

before NRC, there's no way to distinguish whether a household was legally entitled or not. After NRC, now we have concrete numbers. Previously the households from illegal immigrants would also have been counted but after NRC, they will be left out. Hence, it is bound to decrease the number that are living in poor condition.
 
Literally no one gives two hoots about these kind of lists. These are not these real issues.
 
Not sure what the fuss is all about.

These hungry people should eat Jai Shri Ram for breakfast, Bharat Mata Ki Jai for lunch and say Thank You Modiji as they drift into sweet nightly sleep.





From immigrants to mathematics...

I prostrate before your :cobra

We went below Pakistan. Let that sink in...

Anyway, I'm just coming off a 7 hour drinking session banging my head against a brick wall because it included a Modi fan. At the end of it all, I shook his hand and wished him on his way because this is his current situation:

His decade-plus business that he began soon after engineering, which bought him an upper-middle class life has shut down. At the age of 35, he's job-hunting and trying to enter the IT industry for the first time ever.

And still believes and fights for Modi.

He deserves his fate.

My friends who went into business after college having so many issues with continuous changing tax rules are still big fans , its absolute blind love, so dont worry abt it, no arguing with them..
 
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India's billionaires will never share their food with the poor of the country. These Ambani's and Mittal's don't care about other Indians and never will. Pak being much smaller in size has a good chance of become much better in future years. We have the correct man at the helm too.
 
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Literally no one gives two hoots about these kind of lists. These are not these real issues.
They already trashed this report and rightly so. How dare anyone say anything negative about event manager's shining and mahaan India...
 
They already trashed this report and rightly so. How dare anyone say anything negative about event manager's shining and mahaan India...

The only good thing about Congress was their media cell was not as strong. BJP, on the other hand spends crores on INR on their media cell every year. So, if anyone criticizes BJP, they get lambasted on social media, and popular people get lambasted on news channels.

No political party should be above criticism, however, in current environment BJP is above criticism. Also, a lot of Indians have a sheep-herd mentality, so these days many people are supporting BJP because they feel they are saviors of religion/nation.

Lot of my friends support BJP because they genuinely believe there is a conspiracy by Muslims to have more kids so that they can overtake Hindu population in next few decades. They think BJP is the only party which can help the "Hindus". In northern parts of India, this kind of mentality is pretty common. Even the most educated of people differentiate based on religion (from both sides). Some come out and say it openly, others don't say it openly but agree silently with BJP on their points.

I think one thing that Modi/Shah have proven beyond any doubt is that, they are the smartest manipulators/strategists in India. Let's go back pre-2014:

1. Gujrat was portrayed as the most developed states. Images were shown of development in State. Gujrat earthquake was used in marketing of Gujrat, common perception (outside Gujrat) was created that after the massive destruction due to Gujrat earthquake, Modi has developed Ahmedabad at part with western cities.
2. The above perception was created, since Gujrati's voted Modi in power 3 times in a row that was also used to portray Modi as the champion of development. His only competitor was Nitish Kumar. Both Nitish Kumar and Modi were portrayed as the champions of development and competition was between them to be the next face. Modi won, no one knows what went in the background but he pulled if off and became the face.
3. Corruption cases against congress were rampant, Modi used the issue of corruption and built his entire campaign on 3 Agendas:
a) Corruption
b) Black money stashed abroad
c) Development
If you remember correctly, 2014 elections were one of the costliest ever in terms of campaign money. Video holograms were used for first time. Nationwide perception of Modi was built during the campaign phase.
4) At that time, religious polarization was not done by BJP, however, everyone knew or BJP is perceived to be Pro-Hindu/Anti-Muslim party. So the public which was already fed up by congress (rightfully so), voted for BJP as they promised development/no corruption/black money + they were perceived to be Pro-Hindu, which is always in the back of mind of Indian voters.
5) In 5 years, all the three major issues took backseat. And focus shifted to religious issues, and polarization begun. This is where I think BJP lost a voter like me, if Modi would have come out in open and made sure anyone creating polarization is dealt with severely, he would have been a much better leader. However, he kept quiet, as a PM he needed to change perception of the government of being anti-muslim, and mob lynchers should have been punished severely.
6) Shah and team strategized on which topics to fight 2019 elections. They could not fight on the old topics as they had failed on their promises, so they chose national security as the topic. They won convincingly, it was a masterstroke by Shah and team.
7) Voters have short memory and are generally brainwashed by media, BJP when in opposition blocked GST and couple other bills which congress wanted to bring (forgot all the names), but now they brought these bills themselves. If they actually cared for the nation, they would have had a proper debate with congress government, ironed out the 2-3 points in the GST bill and made sure it came in 2008/9 itself. However, they are selfish like every other party (congress was opposing GST when BJP was trying to bring it in LOL) and only cared to get the credit.

At the end I would say one thing, congress and regional parties have only themselves to blame for the rise of BJP. They have been polarizing vote banks for far too long and their appeasement politics for decades is the reason why BJP is so strong now. BJP grabbed the opportunity presented to them with both hands and their strategy worked because of the misdoings of Congress/Regional parties.

The main strength of India is also our weakness, population. Currently the major issues which our nation faces are: Population, unemployment, poverty. These are the toughest issues to control, hence, all political parties use the easy route and divert the attention to issues such as caste, religion, beef, mandir, strikes etc.

I don't blame BJP or any government, I think all of them are representative of majority of the population and if majority don't want to demand a better standard of living, free healthcare, free education for kids, unadulterated food, clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, etc etc then we don't deserve them.

I know my post is a bit off-topic but wanted to get it out :)

@MP101 [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION]
 
The only good thing about Congress was their media cell was not as strong. BJP, on the other hand spends crores on INR on their media cell every year. So, if anyone criticizes BJP, they get lambasted on social media, and popular people get lambasted on news channels.

No political party should be above criticism, however, in current environment BJP is above criticism. Also, a lot of Indians have a sheep-herd mentality, so these days many people are supporting BJP because they feel they are saviors of religion/nation.

Lot of my friends support BJP because they genuinely believe there is a conspiracy by Muslims to have more kids so that they can overtake Hindu population in next few decades. They think BJP is the only party which can help the "Hindus". In northern parts of India, this kind of mentality is pretty common. Even the most educated of people differentiate based on religion (from both sides). Some come out and say it openly, others don't say it openly but agree silently with BJP on their points.

I think one thing that Modi/Shah have proven beyond any doubt is that, they are the smartest manipulators/strategists in India. Let's go back pre-2014:

1. Gujrat was portrayed as the most developed states. Images were shown of development in State. Gujrat earthquake was used in marketing of Gujrat, common perception (outside Gujrat) was created that after the massive destruction due to Gujrat earthquake, Modi has developed Ahmedabad at part with western cities.
2. The above perception was created, since Gujrati's voted Modi in power 3 times in a row that was also used to portray Modi as the champion of development. His only competitor was Nitish Kumar. Both Nitish Kumar and Modi were portrayed as the champions of development and competition was between them to be the next face. Modi won, no one knows what went in the background but he pulled if off and became the face.
3. Corruption cases against congress were rampant, Modi used the issue of corruption and built his entire campaign on 3 Agendas:
a) Corruption
b) Black money stashed abroad
c) Development
If you remember correctly, 2014 elections were one of the costliest ever in terms of campaign money. Video holograms were used for first time. Nationwide perception of Modi was built during the campaign phase.
4) At that time, religious polarization was not done by BJP, however, everyone knew or BJP is perceived to be Pro-Hindu/Anti-Muslim party. So the public which was already fed up by congress (rightfully so), voted for BJP as they promised development/no corruption/black money + they were perceived to be Pro-Hindu, which is always in the back of mind of Indian voters.
5) In 5 years, all the three major issues took backseat. And focus shifted to religious issues, and polarization begun. This is where I think BJP lost a voter like me, if Modi would have come out in open and made sure anyone creating polarization is dealt with severely, he would have been a much better leader. However, he kept quiet, as a PM he needed to change perception of the government of being anti-muslim, and mob lynchers should have been punished severely.
6) Shah and team strategized on which topics to fight 2019 elections. They could not fight on the old topics as they had failed on their promises, so they chose national security as the topic. They won convincingly, it was a masterstroke by Shah and team.
7) Voters have short memory and are generally brainwashed by media, BJP when in opposition blocked GST and couple other bills which congress wanted to bring (forgot all the names), but now they brought these bills themselves. If they actually cared for the nation, they would have had a proper debate with congress government, ironed out the 2-3 points in the GST bill and made sure it came in 2008/9 itself. However, they are selfish like every other party (congress was opposing GST when BJP was trying to bring it in LOL) and only cared to get the credit.

At the end I would say one thing, congress and regional parties have only themselves to blame for the rise of BJP. They have been polarizing vote banks for far too long and their appeasement politics for decades is the reason why BJP is so strong now. BJP grabbed the opportunity presented to them with both hands and their strategy worked because of the misdoings of Congress/Regional parties.

The main strength of India is also our weakness, population. Currently the major issues which our nation faces are: Population, unemployment, poverty. These are the toughest issues to control, hence, all political parties use the easy route and divert the attention to issues such as caste, religion, beef, mandir, strikes etc.

I don't blame BJP or any government, I think all of them are representative of majority of the population and if majority don't want to demand a better standard of living, free healthcare, free education for kids, unadulterated food, clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, etc etc then we don't deserve them.

I know my post is a bit off-topic but wanted to get it out :)

@MP101 [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION]
Well said.

However I'd add, BJP is every bit to be blamed for India's current mess. There isn't as toxic (and lying) entity in the whole world other than them.
 
BJP is all about

False promises
Cows
Temples
Muslims
Pakistan
Changing names of states and cities
Mob lynching

They focus less on development and more on these things. Look at AAP for example in Delhi. Giving almost free electricity to delhities and improving the state of hospitals in the capital.

Have heard that Gautam Gambhir has taken a step to remove that Ghazipur mountain of garbage. It's already in process so this is a nice step. :inti
 
Have heard that Gautam Gambhir has taken a step to remove that Ghazipur mountain of garbage.
Until its done, I won't trust even a single word coming out of Sanghis. Have heard so many jumlas from them that as a standard practice, I have stopped believing them.
 
Look at AAP for example in Delhi. Giving almost free electricity to delhities and improving the state of hospitals in the capital.
Even though I don't like Kejriwal's habit of singing his own praise and hijacking multiple newspapers' pages for so many weeks now, I don't mind that one bit if that means stopping lying bigots from coming to power in Delhi. Delhi is so much better under AAP. I find it hard to imagine liars getting reins of my beloved city.
 
Photos or videos can be deceiving.

What is deceptive about it? You are either a developed nation or not. Do you really think when you are looking at videos of Switzerland it is all a big con, and in fact it is a country where people starve and they have problems with open sewers?
 
India needs to do more to improve the ranking in global hunger index. No doubt about that.

But as citizens of Pakistan or Bangladesh, if you think you are doing good by being higher in ranking, then you are deceiving your fellow citizens. It’s time to show solidarity to poor hungry people in all these countries
 
There is a striking difference between the attitudes of Indian and Pakistani posters towards negative news about their respective countries.

Majority of Pakistanis broadly accept that there is indeed something wrong.

However quite a few Indian posters simply refuse to believe that anything is askew in Indian growth story.

The apologists come out in full force to discredit the news outlets, people or any entity that has contradictory views.

And sadly this is not limited to just online forums.
 
There is a striking difference between the attitudes of Indian and Pakistani posters towards negative news about their respective countries.

Majority of Pakistanis broadly accept that there is indeed something wrong.

However quite a few Indian posters simply refuse to believe that anything is askew in Indian growth story.

The apologists come out in full force to discredit the news outlets, people or any entity that has contradictory views.

And sadly this is not limited to just online forums.

You know why ? Most Pakistanis here live abroad while most Indians live in India. Also Indians believes all we have to be a "Patriot" is to protect India at all cost during debates and attack everone else. You know how Chinese patriotsim look ? They pay taxes, they keep their road clean, they don't indulge in corruption behaviours and so on. This is why Indians will always be Jingoists and never Patriots.
 
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