India expresses concern on Hafiz Saeed’s activities

[FastBowler]

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...ives+in+pak+to+attend+saarc+conference--bi-01

ISLAMABAD: Indian Home Minister P. Chidambaram on Friday expressed his reservations on the activities of Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed Ahmed.

Ministry of Interior and Foreign affairs sources told DawnNews that Chidambaram told the Pakistani officials that India had very credible and solid proofs about Saeed’s negative activates in Punjab.

On the other hand, the interior ministers of Pakistan and India agreed to hold further discussion on security issues after their meeting, which the Pakistani minister described as a “good beginning”.

The meeting between Rehman Malik and P. Chidambaram took place a day after the nations' top diplomats expressed optimism that relations between the two nuclear rivals would improve.

“Talks were held in a very good atmosphere and good topics were discussed. I can only say that there is a good message for the people of Pakistan and India, that there has been a very good beginning,” Malik said after the meeting.

India made no immediate comments after the meeting, which was due to continue on Saturday.

Speaking to reporters before the meeting, Malik said he would share with his Indian counterpart “credible evidence” Pakistan had collected against suspects under trial for involvement in the Mumbai attacks.

“I said that it should be a change of heart rather than dossiers,” he told a questioner, referring to the information India had provided Pakistan about its own investigation into the Mumbai attack.—DawnNews/Reuters

 

[Dhirajmes]

Does Nawaz Sharif's family have any ties with Hafiz Saeed?

 

[FastBowler]

not sure. none that i know of.

 

[Dhirajmes]

How many people now attend the khutbas of this appalling cleric in Lahore?

Does he still draw huge crowds of Pakistanis?

India ought to go the Mossad route and extirpate him and his ilk.

 

[FastBowler]

How many people now attend the khutbas of this appalling cleric in Lahore?

Does he still draw huge crowds of Pakistanis?

India ought to go the Mossad route and extirpate him and his ilk.

You mean RAW should murder him? Remember India are not Israel and Pakistan is not Syria, Lebanon or Palestine.

 

[ozymandias]

How many people now attend the khutbas of this appalling cleric in Lahore?

Does he still draw huge crowds of Pakistanis?

India ought to go the Mossad route and extirpate him and his ilk.

RAW is incompetent even in that regard. It is better to outsource it to Mossad itself.

 

[FastBowler]

Unlike Israel and Syria Lebanon Palestine or any other Arab country, India is dealing with an equal in Pakistan, not some inferior.

 

[ozymandias]

Unlike Israel and Syria Lebanon Palestine or any other Arab country, India is dealing with an equal in Pakistan, not some inferior.

He wasn't talking abt war, Mossad doesn't wage war. How so ever superior Pakistan maybe, assassinations can occur if planned correctly...

 

[FastBowler]

He wasn't talking abt war, Mossad doesn't wage war. How so ever superior Pakistan maybe, assassinations can occur if planned correctly...

Yeah I don't mean war. I mean that ISI is superior to anything Syria etc churn out (to suppress and murder their own people). So it would be a much greater challenge.

 

[Xoib]

whether RAW can eliminate him or not is immaterial Pakistan and ISI should cut off their ties with these lunatics as they are no different to the Talibans against whom we face this dreaded war.

 

[googly]

Unlike Israel and Syria Lebanon Palestine or any other Arab country, India is dealing with an equal in Pakistan, not some inferior.

) ) )

Oh the delusions of grandeur!! A country which has already been split in half is talking about equality with India!!

 

[Oxy]

How many people now attend the khutbas of this appalling cleric in Lahore?

Does he still draw huge crowds of Pakistanis?

India ought to go the Mossad route and extirpate him and his ilk.

Did you really post that? Not sure what 'extirpate' means though....

 

[Down2Earth]

yeah well it's his charity that feeds the poor including many hindus so I don't know who to believe. Until there is concrete evidence, no action should be taken.

 

[Dhirajmes]

yeah well it's his charity that feeds the poor including many hindus so I don't know who to believe. Until there is concrete evidence, no action should be taken.

And Hamas and Hezbollah run charities that benefit Palestinian and
Lebanese Christians. Bal Thackeray has helped a few poor Muslims
who live in Mumbai's slums. What is your point? Does running a
charity excuse mass murder? The man was the head of the Lashkar
-e-Taiba. Do the terms Jaish-e-Muhammad, United Jihad Council and
the like mean anything to you? Let's not feign ignorance of the truth.

Pakistani jihad has had two objectives: to secede Kashmir from 'Hindu
India' in an act of exacting revenge for East Pakistan's secession, and
to periodically carry out acts of mass murder in India's cities to 'bleed
India with a thousand cuts' and attempt to weaken India's economy.

The first objective was partly shelved by Musharraf around 2003-04.

The second continues, and vermin like Hafiz Saeed must face justice.

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

) ) )

Oh the delusions of grandeur!! A country which has already been split in half is talking about equality with India!!

pakistan has more nukes then india ..if pakistan was really that weak india would have destroyed it many years ago ..thats why now india is funding the BLA and TTP to weaken pakistan more ..u should be more worried about the moists taking over india then pakistan

 

[Dhirajmes]

pakistan has more nukes then india ..if pakistan was really that weak india would have destroyed it many years ago ..thats why now india is funding the BLA and TTP to weaken pakistan more ..u should be more worried about the moists taking over india then pakistan

Why is that relevant? There will never be nuclear war between India
and Pakistan. Therefore there will never be any limited or conventional
war between them either. But external covert operations are possible.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

How many people now attend the khutbas of this appalling cleric in Lahore?

Does he still draw huge crowds of Pakistanis?

India ought to go the Mossad route and extirpate him and his ilk.

Maybe they should go for dawood ibrahim first.

I have to commend mr saeed and his charity organistaion J-u-D on their amazing work in pakistan helping to build and run hospitals and schools amongst other things.

 

[Dhirajmes]

Maybe they should go for dawood ibrahim first.

I have to commend mr saeed and his charity organistaion J-u-D on their amazing work in pakistan helping to build and run hospitals and schools amongst other things.

And while you're at it, make sure you let Bal Thackeray know how
much you appreciate his slum relocation work in Mumbai and Pune.

And Narendra Modi deserves your commendation for his investment-pulling.

Consistency is good, even in idiocy.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

And while you're at it, make sure you let Bal Thackeray know how
much you appreciate his slum relocation work in Mumbai and Pune.

Consistency is good, even in idiocy.

whose he?

and are pakistan looking to extirpate him?

 

[Dhirajmes]

whose he?

and are pakistan looking to extirpate him?

Don't change the subject. You choose to eulogize a mass murderer
like Hafiz Saeed for "charity", while turning a blind eye to his crimes.

Why is this?

Is it because his victims are largely Hindu?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Don't change the subject. You choose to eulogize a mass murderer
like Hafiz Saeed for "charity", while turning a blind eye to his crimes.

Why is this?

Is it because his victims are largely Hindu?

You can't answer a question with a question or even 2 in this case- it's not good etiquette.

 

[Dhirajmes]

You can't answer a question with a question or even 2 in this case- it's not good etiquette.

Instead of hiding behind juvenile responses, why don't you explain just why you said this:

I have to commend mr saeed and his charity organistaion J-u-D on their amazing work in pakistan helping to build and run hospitals and schools amongst other things.

Are you wholly ignorant of who Hafiz Saeed was and is?

Or do you actually support terrorism and mass murderers?

Which is it?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Instead of hiding behind juvenile responses, why don't you explain just why you said this:




Are you wholly ignorant of who Hafiz Saeed was and is?

Or do you actually support terrorism and mass murderers?

Which is it?

We can do this all night if you want.

You can't answer a question with a question or even 2 in this case- it's not good etiquette.

 

[Dhirajmes]

We can do this all night if you want.

People like you, who laud mass murderers and terrorist kingpins for
their 'charitable' work and turn a blind eye to their killings, which any
sane, civilized person would regard as more important than 'charity',
are no different from the neo-Nazis who tout Hitler's autobahn work.

My last post to you in this thread. Don't worry; no more 'questions'.

For shame.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

People like you, who laud mass murderers and terrorist kingpins for
their 'charitable' work and turn a blind eye to their killings, which any
sane, civilized person would regard as more important than 'charity',
are no different from the neo-Nazis who tout Hitler's autobahn work.

My last post to you in this thread. Don't worry; no more 'questions'.

For shame.

and ppl like u are the ones who call organisations like hamas and the muslim brotherhood as well as J-u-D terrorists when ppl in the organisations devote their lifes to the welfare of others.



I'm not sure why it so hard for you to answer my 2 questions, maybe you didn't like you own answers, who knows.

 

[FastBowler]

We can do this all night if you want.

thats what she said

 

[FastBowler]

) ) )

Oh the delusions of grandeur!! A country which has already been split in half is talking about equality with India!!

you mean how india was split in half in 1947?

 

[FastBowler]

il and
the like mean anything to you? Let's not feign ignorance of the truth.

Pakistani jihad has had two objectives: to secede Kashmir from 'Hindu
India' in an act of exacting revenge for East Pakistan's secession, and
to periodically carry out acts of mass murder in India's cities to 'bleed
India with a thousand cuts' and attempt to weaken India's economy.

The first objective was partly shelved by Musharraf around 2003-04.

Kashmir was always an issue. India exacted revenge through interfering in Pakistani politics in 1970 and 1971.
It was never shelved by Musharraf, he always said that without a solution on Kashmir, no other solutions can be considered permanent.

You're blaming Pakistan for internal dissatisfaction in India. We can blame you for Lahore and countless other problems.

 

[Dhirajmes]

Kashmir was always an issue. India exacted revenge through interfering in Pakistani politics in 1970 and 1971.
It was never shelved by Musharraf, he always said that without a solution on Kashmir, no other solutions can be considered permanent.

You're blaming Pakistan for internal dissatisfaction in India. We can blame you for Lahore and countless other problems.

All that is debatable, and I believe there is merit in the points you make.

What is NOT debatable is either support for, or indifference to,
acts of mass murder or terrorism, as evinced by the previous
poster's nonchalant lauding of the 'charitable' work of a man
like Hafiz Saeed. It is especially repugnant to me, as someone
who lost relatives in the attacks on the CST terminus on 26/11.

I cannot partake of any discussion in which the
following is apparently a seriously held opinion:

and ppl like u are the ones who call organisations like hamas and the muslim brotherhood as well as J-u-D terrorists when ppl in the organisations devote their lifes to the welfare of others.

Such opinions stem from either ignorance of the big picture, or from utter inhumanity.

A veneer of 'charity' cannot conceal the stain of terror and mass murder.

This will be my last post on PakPassion -- thanks.

 

[FastBowler]

I cannot partake of any discussion in which the
following is apparently a seriously held opinion:



Such opinions stem from either ignorance of the big picture, or from utter inhumanity.

A veneer of 'charity' cannot conceal the stain of terror and mass murder.

This will be my last post on PakPassion -- thanks.

That really was a stupid tihng to say chacha kashmiri.

 

[FastBowler]

and ppl like u are the ones who call organisations like hamas and the muslim brotherhood as well as J-u-D terrorists when ppl in the organisations devote their lifes to the welfare of others.

At the very least, the first two parties you have mentioned are not innocent at all.

 

[Black Zero]

Indian's tried to create a SAARC police (like international police) but it was not approved in recent Saarc conf held in Pak.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

At the very least, the first two parties you have mentioned are not innocent at all.

in that case neither were the french resistance fighters against the nazis, nelson mandela or bhagat singh

What is NOT debatable is either support for, or indifference to,
acts of mass murder or terrorism, as evinced by the previous
poster's nonchalant lauding

You'l have to point out to me any 'lauding' of mass murder as i must be short sighted

This will be my last post on PakPassion -- thanks.

cry me a river

 

[Fallen King]

This will be my last post on PakPassion -- thanks.

Why do i feel you will come back with new ID?

I don't know nothing about Saeed. Can't comment on this.

 

[Mohsin]

Oh no they're concerned over Hafiz Saeed's activities....jeez!

Are they gonna invade us...or maybe do some 'strategic strikes'

 

[amar1212]

Arnt they concerned about anything pak does these days...lol they are concerned about the iran-pak deal, usa giving aid to pak, china-pak deal, f-16 from the US,and now this...how hard is it to mind ur own buisness??

 

[s2k]

Arnt they concerned about anything pak does these days...lol they are concerned about the iran-pak deal, usa giving aid to pak, china-pak deal, f-16 from the US,and now this...how hard is it to mind ur own buisness??

well why is Pakistan concerned when we buy arms from Israel?why it is concerned that USA gave us a civilian nuclear deal?why it is concerned that Russia and India are developing a 5th gen fighter aircraft?

Yes we will mind our business,keep the likes of Kasab to your country,we will mind our business then.

 

[Pakistan_Zindabaad]

well why is Pakistan concerned when we buy arms from Israel?why it is concerned that USA gave us a civilian nuclear deal?why it is concerned that Russia and India are developing a 5th gen fighter aircraft?

Yes we will mind our business,keep the likes of Kasab to your country,we will mind our business then.

india always wet in its pants whenever Pakistan get any sort of military help from any country.... indians act so innocent and always play the victim card.....stop promoting terrorism in kasmir for past 60 years....stop RAW acts against Pakistan and supporting talibans in afghanistan and stop sending militants to attacks international teams in Pakistan......

 

[s2k]

india always wet in its pants whenever Pakistan get any sort of military help from any country.... indians act so innocent and always play the victim card.....stop promoting terrorism in kasmir for past 60 years....stop RAW acts against Pakistan and supporting talibans in afghanistan and stop sending militants to attacks international teams in Pakistan......

Any proof of all that rubbish you just said???

Kasab was from pakistan and the 26/11 attacks were planned in Pakistan.A fact that has been accepted by the international community and by Pakistan itself.

Pakistan had alleged India supported Baluchis.hasnt provided the proof,and no one has ever accepted it,not even Pakistan's own allies.

Hasnt seen Pakistani Army taking even an inch of India's land ever.India's border with PAkistan has remained what it was since 1947.so much for wetting our pants.

 

[Mohsin]

Any proof of all that rubbish you just said???

Kasab was from pakistan and the 26/11 attacks were planned in Pakistan.A fact that has been accepted by the international community and by Pakistan itself.

Yeah just like Samjhota Express terrorism...india was convinced it was done by Pakistan right?

Pakistan had alleged India supported Baluchis.hasnt provided the proof,and no one has ever accepted it,not even Pakistan's own allies.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...alochistan-unrest-Pak/articleshow/5676962.cms

Or perhaps US General Mullens own talks in regards to indian involvement in Balochistan...Mike Mullen

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?222148

Hasnt seen Pakistani Army taking even an inch of India's land ever.India's border with PAkistan has remained what it was since 1947.so much for wetting our pants.


Yeah because you really invaded us didnt you...you really conducted those strategix strikes didnt you...just like you did after you conducted your nuclear tests and Mr 'we will send indian 'army' into Azad Kashmir' LK Advani before the 'talks table' was suddenly remebered after we conducted those 6 slaps...nuclear tests. Or perhaps just like the 'threats' (as usual) after the Parliament incidents of 2001?
Oh and 1948...freeing half of Kashmir

Or perhaps Kargil?

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.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

''Pakistan floods: Islamic fundamentalists fill state aid void''


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/03/islamist-groups-pakistan-aid-void

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: The Punjab government has detained Naib Emir of the banned Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) organisation, Abdul Rehman Makki, along with another senior leader Mohammad Shahbaz after the police believed their activities posed a threat to peace and tranquillity in the country.

The action was taken after the JuD senior leaders in their speeches criticised the government’s action against outfits to comply with the requirement of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF).

An official privy to the information told Dawn that the detention order of Makki and Shahbaz were issued by Lahore Deputy Commissioner Saleha Saeed under Section 3 of the Maintenance of Public Order (MPO) ordinance.

The police detained them for 90 days and sent them to the Camp Jail, he said.

The official said Makki is the brother-in-law of Hafiz Saeed and he was detained from Lahore along with his senior fellow.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1482587/hafiz-saeeds-brother-in-law-among-two-jud-men-detained