India grants visas to Pakistan team for World Junior Squash Championship [Update #109]

[ahsan17]

Statements by Pervez Mussharaff.

I am talking about 2018, not what happened in the 90s.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am talking about 2018, not what happened in the 90s.

You expect a statement admitting to terror activities annually?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian occupied kashmir is terrorized by the people in uniform.

How is J and K Pakistans concern?

 

[slipcatch]

How is J and K Pakistans concern?

Indian Occupied is Pakistan's concern, which is self explanatory.

 

[ahsan17]

You expect a statement admitting to terror activities annually?

By that logic, we should accept that US is supporting Taliban today. Musharraf said that Pakistan supported separatists in the the 80s. He hasn't even been the leader for 10 years, so how is that admission of support for separatists today?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian Occupied is Pakistan's concern, which is self explanatory.

So every territory of Pakistan should be India's concern?

Pakistan has no legal standing in Kashmir. Its a illegal occupier squatting on foreign territory in PoK. No wonder its Kashmir statements are treated with utter disdain by international community.

 

[davethebrave]

So every territory of Pakistan should be India's concern?

Pakistan has no legal standing in Kashmir. Its a illegal occupier squatting on foreign territory in PoK. No wonder its Kashmir statements are treated with utter disdain by international community.

What you mean is that you wish they were treated with disdain. Whilst I don't have a dog in the fight, your comments do seem motivated by patriotism rather than fact.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan’s authorities and majority of Pakistani believe otherwise for an Indian occupied Kashmir.

The government of Pakistan and the military establishment couldn't care less for the sufferings of the Kashmiris. Our obsession is opportunistic - we look at Kashmir with dollar signs in our eyes, because getting the region under control will be a massive economic boost for us.

However, it is nothing but a pipe dream because Pakistan will never get a foot in Kashmir. It is an Indian state, and whether or not India grants Kashmir freedom (which they won't, and for good reason) is absolutely not our concern.

Pakistan doesn't care about the freedom of Kashmir. It cares about using the conflict between the Kashmiris and the Indians to gain leverage. If push comes to shove, and if a situation arises in the future where Pakistan might gain something by oppressing Kashmiris, it will not hesitate in doing so.

Our crimes in East Pakistan and the inhumane atrocities cannot be whitewashed. What we did to the people of Bangladesh is far worse than what India is doing to Kashmiris. We are fully capable of genocide and we have shown that in the past.

East Pakistan was alienated because of our racism, and the seeds were sown by Jinnah (the man who never wanted Pakistan in the first place and was forced into it) who went to East Pakistan and declared Urdu as the official language, in spite of the overwhelming majority of Bengalis. Furthermore, we gave them no political rights which made the subsequent uprising inevitable, and the humiliation that we suffered was well-deserved.

I do not blame Pakistan for smelling blood in Kashmir because of the friction between the two parties. However, I do blame the people of Pakistan for not understanding and acknowledging the reality behind Pakistan's so-called "concern" for Kashmir.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What you mean is that you wish they were treated with disdain. Whilst I don't have a dog in the fight, your comments do seem motivated by patriotism rather than fact.

Can you tell me how much international support the Pakistani has on its narrative on J and K ?

 

[the Great Khan]

If Burhan Wani is a freedom fighter supported by Pakistan then there is no need for India to engage in any kind of process with Pakistan except the bare minimum diplomatic ones.

If Pakistan wants peace then accept the status quo. Stop supporting armed terrorists in India. Do not interfere in a dispute between India and Kashmiris.We will not be armed twisted into anything that much must be pretty clear now.

But if Pakistan doesnot want peace and wants to continue to support terrorists in India then No we do not need to talk with anyone who thinks terrorists like Burhan Wani are freedom fighters. Time is to further raise costs for Pakistan at the LoC. We have enough economic might to continue this for a 1000 years if need be. Pakistan has no means to change the status, if it believes that its proxy warfare will be a low cost one then that delusion needs to be broken

Then it will continue. Pakistan will never give up supporting the kashmiris. Peace is not made from absolute positions. India has the upperhand right now but History moves quickly and things can change very quickly. Now is a good time to make moves towards peace. Accepting the status quo is a non starter because the status quo is war (be it low level or a level above). India can think it will be an economic powerhouse for a thousand years but history tells us otherwise. I suggest making moves now while you are in a strong position. You may be able to get some concessions from Pakistan. The longer you elave it the worse the situation will become..

 

[slipcatch]

The government of Pakistan and the military establishment couldn't care less for the sufferings of the Kashmiris. Our obsession is opportunistic - we look at Kashmir with dollar signs in our eyes, because getting the region under control will be a massive economic boost for us.

However, it is nothing but a pipe dream because Pakistan will never get a foot in Kashmir. It is an Indian state, and whether or not India grants Kashmir freedom (which they won't, and for good reason) is absolutely not our concern.

Pakistan doesn't care about the freedom of Kashmir. It cares about using the conflict between the Kashmiris and the Indians to gain leverage. If push comes to shove, and if a situation arises in the future where Pakistan might gain something by oppressing Kashmiris, it will not hesitate in doing so.

Our crimes in East Pakistan and the inhumane atrocities cannot be whitewashed. What we did to the people of Bangladesh is far worse than what India is doing to Kashmiris. We are fully capable of genocide and we have shown that in the past.

East Pakistan was alienated because of our racism, and the seeds were sown by Jinnah (the man who never wanted Pakistan in the first place and was forced into it) who went to East Pakistan and declared Urdu as the official language, in spite of the overwhelming majority of Bengalis. Furthermore, we gave them no political rights which made the subsequent uprising inevitable, and the humiliation that we suffered was well-deserved.

I do not blame Pakistan for smelling blood in Kashmir because of the friction between the two parties. However, I do blame the people of Pakistan for not understanding and acknowledging the reality behind Pakistan's so-called "concern" for Kashmir.

Pakistani care about Kashmiri.
Pakistani care about freedom of Kashmiri.

I read your 'opinion' and it is false narrative design to make oneself look relevant in their own head.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistani care about Kashmiri.
Pakistani care about freedom of Kashmiri.

I read your 'opinion' and it is false narrative design to make oneself look relevant in their own head.

You can believe what you want to believe, but the crimes of our government in East Pakistan and the control of the military on our policies are not "opinions". These are facts that you are not willing to entertain, because it goes against the utopian picture that you have painted for yourself.

 

[slipcatch]

You can believe what you want to believe, but the crimes of our government in East Pakistan and the control of the military on our policies are not "opinions". These are facts that you are not willing to entertain, because it goes against the utopian picture that you have painted for yourself.

You can believe what you want to believe about my belief just because I am not going to entertain your narrative and your obvious point raised for an obvious reason, to seem relevant, when it has nothing to do with this topic. Evidence and history exist about Bangladesh and everyone on this forum is well aware of it. You haven't told anything new. But i am sure it made you feel little bigger and smarter

Utopian dream? if everything was perfect in Pakistan then you would have not left Pakistan. Every Pakistani knows the current situation of Pakistan. You aren't the genius one.

Pakistani care about Kashmiri
Pakistani care about freedom of Kashmir.

 

[Mamoon]

You can believe what you want to believe about my belief just because I am not going to entertain your narrative and your obvious point raised for an obvious reason, to seem relevant, when it has nothing to do with this topic. Evidence and history exist about Bangladesh and everyone on this forum is well aware of it. You haven't told anything new. But i am sure it made you feel little bigger and smarter

Utopian dream? if everything was perfect in Pakistan then you would have not left Pakistan. Every Pakistani knows the current situation of Pakistan. You aren't the genius one.

Pakistani care about Kashmiri
Pakistani care about freedom of Kashmir.

Going for 2-3 years is not leaving Pakistan. I will be back for good, and it has nothing to do with whether everything in Pakistan is perfect or not. My family situation is such that I cannot afford to settle abroad.

You do not have to entertain my narrative, and if you want to live in a world of lies then fair enough, it is your call. I just felt it was necessary to inform you about the reasons behind Pakistan's "concerns" for Kashmir.

 

[shaaik]

Our people need to realize that we have nothing to do with J&K. It is India's internal matter and we should not be poking our noses in it. Unfortunately, it is something that we will never come to terms with. The obsession with Kashmir must end.

Do u even reread what you write.. I as a Kashmiri from Indian occupied Kashmiri take a very strong offense to your comments though I’m not surprised as its very much expected from you. Everybody here knows that you hv a knack of making sweeping statements. It’s deplorable to say the least.

 

[Mamoon]

Do u even reread what you write.. I as a Kashmiri from Indian occupied Kashmiri take a very strong offense to your comments though I’m not surprised as its very much expected from you. Everybody here knows that you hv a knack of making sweeping statements. It’s deplorable to say the least.

I am sorry if you were offended, but I personally do not sympathize with your cause because I feel more strongly about the plight of my fellow Pakistanis, who are suffering because they are not Muslims. If we are able to give rights to our fellow Pakistanis, perhaps like me would be more open to see what is happening to the people of a state that belongs to India.

 

[shaaik]

I am sorry if you were offended, but I personally do not sympathize with your cause because I feel more strongly about the plight of my fellow Pakistanis, who are suffering because they are not Muslims. If we are able to give rights to our fellow Pakistanis, perhaps like me would be more open to see what is happening to the people of a state that belongs to India.

I thought we were talking about Pakistan’s stance on kashmir , now u hv brought another irrelevant angle into it about non Muslims of Pakistan. I wish though I don’t really wish u would get to live a day in kashmir under the Indian occupation then you would know how is it to live under an occupation....

On a side note, I really don’t like how you generalise things ..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then it will continue. Pakistan will never give up supporting the kashmiris. Peace is not made from absolute positions. India has the upperhand right now but History moves quickly and things can change very quickly. Now is a good time to make moves towards peace. Accepting the status quo is a non starter because the status quo is war (be it low level or a level above). India can think it will be an economic powerhouse for a thousand years but history tells us otherwise. I suggest making moves now while you are in a strong position. You may be able to get some concessions from Pakistan. The longer you elave it the worse the situation will become..

If Pakistan will not give up supporting terrorists and armed separatists in J and K then thats the end of it. Talking about everything else is moot. As i said India has the might to continue fighting Pakistan for a long time.

Accepting the status quo means accepting the fact that India controls J and K and that status cannot be changed forcibly by Pakistan.That supporting armed terrorists and separatists is not going to achieve anything.

Pakistan can think it will get J and K from India by force, well it cannot. You are mistaken if you think India is sweating on getting any concessions from Pakistan. Pakistan is by no means in a condition to dictate terms. It has no means to get J and K from India. Its best chance was in 60s since then the gap has been increasing.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I thought we were talking about Pakistan’s stance on kashmir , now u hv brought another irrelevant angle into it about non Muslims of Pakistan. I wish though I don’t really wish u would get to live a day in kashmir under the Indian occupation then you would know how is it to live under an occupation....

On a side note, I really don’t like how you generalise things ..

May be for him the condition of people of Pakistan is more important than of a foreign land thats not part of his country.

 

[slipcatch]

Going for 2-3 years is not leaving Pakistan. I will be back for good, and it has nothing to do with whether everything in Pakistan is perfect or not. My family situation is such that I cannot afford to settle abroad.

You do not have to entertain my narrative, and if you want to live in a world of lies then fair enough, it is your call. I just felt it was necessary to inform you about the reasons behind Pakistan's "concerns" for Kashmir.

World of lies? I am not but if you want to then you can continue or create your own universe on a forum where you find relevancy.

Pakistani care about Kashmiri
Pakistani care about freedom of Kashmir.

Just because you do not doesn't mean there aren't people who do. And just because those people thinking and beliefs aligned with the Army or political party does not make it world of lies.

Kashmiri daily suffer violence and oppression in India because they are Muslim and want freedom from an oppressive forces. And that isn't a lie. I am sure in your universe you would try to turn into one. Entertain please.

 

[slipcatch]

May be for him the condition of people of Pakistan is more important than of a foreign land thats not part of his country.

You can do both.

 

[shaaik]

May be for him the condition of people of Pakistan is more important than of a foreign land thats not part of his country.

Well that’s absolutely ok with me .. he can feel whatever way he wants to feel for the people of Pakistan. I really don’t personally expect anything from people like Mamoon.

 

[hamzi]

Not surprised by this....its happening in almost every sport now regularly. The worst thing is that no action will be taken on this and the tournament will go ahead as scheduled without the defending champions, which is pathetic to be honest.

Asian individual Squash championship
World Junior Hockey Championship
World Kabaddi Championship

These are just 3 of numerous events that Pakistans athletes have missed because of these dirty tactics of the indians. Cricket,Judo, Karate, Snooker, Wrestling, Weightlifting etc have also suffered because of this in the past. The surprising this is that no one from the Pakistan hierarchy is doing anything about it, None of the World Federations are doing bothered about it, instead India is getting to host more and more International Tournaments without Pakistan's participation. When a single Israeli athlete is denied a visa for an event the whole world screams of injustice (Tennis, Wrestling), when Pakistan even thinks about refusing indian athletes visas the events are shifted elsewhere (Cricket). Our athletes are suffering a lot because of this and i think its about time someone from our corrupt organizations steps up and does something about this for once.

On India's part its really sad that they have to use these tactics to win in sports they know they theyl otherwise lose against Pakistan. Seeing the growth of sports in India makes me happy but these kinds of things should not be mixed with sport. And then they cry of foul play on our part. PATHETIC

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

How can you host a world tournament and then deny visas?

That's not fair at all.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Unacceptable, WSF must move the tournament out of India if there is any semblance of justice and fair play in that body. Also this needs more coverage in Indian media (at least the sane ones), not sure many are aware of the details of this tournament over here because as such squash isn't a popular sport in India. If journalists, celebs and sports stars can start talking about the blatant injustice maybe the government will be pressurized to do what is right, at least as a face saving measure. I am aghast at this development because this isn't the India I grew up in, there is something sinister going on.

 

[classic]

When you have honest educated and credible politicians running a country other world leaders take note and treat its citizens with higher respect and dignity. At the moment Indian government do not view the current Pakistani setup as anything but corrupt and dishonest and they are taking full advantage of the situation to malign Pakistan and gather public support . Its quite obvious.

 

[Greenstorm]

When you have honest educated and credible politicians running a country other world leaders take note and treat its citizens with higher respect and dignity. At the moment Indian government do not view the current Pakistani setup as anything but corrupt and dishonest and they are taking full advantage of the situation to malign Pakistan and gather public support . Its quite obvious.

I think our players are taking part now after the involvement of WSF. Thankfully, Indian pleasing PMLN government is gone now.

 

[ManFan]

Politics and Sports should be kept separate in an ideal world.

But this is another example of "the world's largest democracy" at work.

However, at least, India get to host world events unlike Pakistan.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Pak junior squash team gets Indian visas


Pak junior squash team gets Indian visas

ISLAMABAD: Following a hectic campaign from the Pakistan Squash Federation (PSF) that saw them knocking at the doors of World Squash Federation (WSF) and Asian Squash, the High Commission of India has finally budged to the pressure for issuing visas to all barring one member of the Pakistan contingent scheduled to compete in the Junior World meet starting in Chennai (India) from July 18-19.
On Monday, Indian High Commission refused visas to all the nine members of squad after retaining their travelling documents for over two months.

As the news spread through media with PSF also moving to the WSF and Asian body to intervene, the Indian High Commission Friday approached the PSF and issued visas to eight members of the touring party.

“We have been promised to issue visa to ninth member also on the completion of necessary documentation. Five playing members and three officials were issued visas on Friday,” said a source within the PSF.

The PSF first submitted all the required documents in April and after keeping them till last week, Indian High Commission in Islamabad returned back all the documents refusing entry to Pak contingent to figure in Chennai event.

The Islamabad media then highlighted the matter and the PSF approached WSF and even Indian Squash Federation.

“Our efforts and that of media finally helped the team get visa. We are thankful to the Indian High Commission, WSF and media for the help. Our players have been training hard and as such deserve to be part of the world event,” the PSF official, when contacted, said.

Pakistan in recent past has always tried to accommodate Indian athletes. Recently over 25 Indian tennis players were given visas to play Pakistan circuit. Even squash federation accommodated Indian athletes in recent past.

“PSF has always ensured that every foreign player wishing to participate in squash events must be given preference in visa process.

“Similarly, the Pakistan Squash Federation has always helped Indian players also, in getting the visas like Miss Sachika Ingale and her mother were not only given preference in visa process but were always given VIP treatment during their stay in Pakistan,” the official said.

He added the issuance of visa was encouraging news for the Indian and Pakistan

sports relations.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/335610-pak-junior-squash-team-gets-indian-visas

 

[classic]

I think our players are taking part now after the involvement of WSF. Thankfully, Indian pleasing PMLN government is gone now.

This could be a start of better things to come in terms of good sporting relations. Indians probably sense a new government coming and probably going to soften their stance. After all, InshaAllah, when Pti forms a government, they (Indian Government)will soon start to come to their senses and know that Imran Khan will give as good as it gets and the nation is behind him. You need educated rational people in government in order to have any long lasting impact with Indians .

 

[Greenstorm]

This could be a start of better things to come in terms of good sporting relations. Indians probably sense a new government coming and probably going to soften their stance. After all, InshaAllah, when Pti forms a government, they (Indian Government)will soon start to come to their senses and know that Imran Khan will give as good as it gets and the nation is behind him. You need educated rational people in government in order to have any long lasting impact with Indians .

Exactly, they were playing with us regularly and used to send their cricket and hockey teams to Pakistan when Musharraf was in charge.