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India needs to invite Pakistan for some real competition

JibranAnsari

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No disrespect to any of Australia , SA , WI , England , NZ and SL but I think if there is any team which can really give some competition to Indian team in india , Its Pakistan. India have been invincible in India and they have played some excellent cricket and most teams playing in india go into the match thinking that they are going to lose anyway. All the respect to team India for their achievements but inside they know that they need to be tested at home! :misbah3
 
Isn't pakistan refused play in india since its their turn to host?
 
Unfortunately Indian government is more interested in politics than sport.

So while you want it, it will never happen.
 
Personally would love a 3 test match series in UAE, I am sure we will get very good crowds too. Will be a cracker of a series if pitches are not flat we will edge it 2-1.

PAK touring India is not going to happen so no hopes on that :(
 
This team should beat India in India:

Cook
Azhar
Amla
Younis
Smith/ABDV
Shakib
Sarfaraz( wk)
Herath
Yasir
Rabada
Starc
 
Personally would love a 3 test match series in UAE, I am sure we will get very good crowds too. Will be a cracker of a series if pitches are not flat we will edge it 2-1.

PAK touring India is not going to happen so no hopes on that :(

Err no Steyn ?

On his last leg.. Has been injured thrice on first day of a big series in an year i.e.vs India, England and Australia.
 
On a fair note, Pakistan with Yasir Shah, Azhar Ali and Younis Khan would give a stiff competition and has the best chance to beat India in India.
 
Man to man, india are much better. The best pakistan can manage is a draw. India are a far fitter and more skillful team in their home conditions. Indian batsmen will be Yasir Shah's hardest challenge and Indian spinners will be the hardest Pakistan will face
 
We'll win against Pakistan in both India and the UAE.

They'll give us the maximum amount of fight though, and even walk away with a test or so.
 
It should be a 5 match test series named "the clashes"
 
We'll win against Pakistan in both India and the UAE.

They'll give us the maximum amount of fight though, and even walk away with a test or so.

Indians dont play quality spin well. Also UAE is another beast altogether. For first three day you have to play slow cricket which Indians arent known for. The team which makes the mistake of trying to score 500 in 1.5 days perishes. from 4th day onwards the test picks up pace itself. It isnt very simple. Pakistan have mastered playing there now. But i still feel they need one bowler which turns the ball a decent amount. Yasir doesnt turn much.
 
Indians dont play quality spin well. Also UAE is another beast altogether. For first three day you have to play slow cricket which Indians arent known for. The team which makes the mistake of trying to score 500 in 1.5 days perishes. from 4th day onwards the test picks up pace itself. It isnt very simple. Pakistan have mastered playing there now. But i still feel they need one bowler which turns the ball a decent amount. Yasir doesnt turn much.

We actually have struggled against off spinners , cant think of any leg spinner who has troubled us much . Also dont forget two weaklinks against spin Dhawan and Rohit are out of the team and are replaced by Rahul and Nair who are very good against spin ( Nair is the best player of spin in the country imo ) , which changes things quite a bit .
 
Without getting in to the politics of it and total understandable why it wont happen, it would definitely be a well fought series. Prefer to play in India rather than UAE
 
We actually have struggled against off spinners , cant think of any leg spinner who has troubled us much . Also dont forget two weaklinks against spin Dhawan and Rohit are out of the team and are replaced by Rahul and Nair who are very good against spin ( Nair is the best player of spin in the country imo ) , which changes things quite a bit .

There are a few one-offs. On of the matches involving Afridi, i think
 
We actually have struggled against off spinners , cant think of any leg spinner who has troubled us much . Also dont forget two weaklinks against spin Dhawan and Rohit are out of the team and are replaced by Rahul and Nair who are very good against spin ( Nair is the best player of spin in the country imo ) , which changes things quite a bit .

Suddenly we went from being a dodgy side against spin to a gun side.

Our tail (Ash and Jayant) are very good against spin too. Jaddu will score at times.

Its nice to see useless dead weights like Dhawan, Gambo, Rohit thrown out. In fact, Rahane (who is a gun player outside Asia) is woeful against spin and his injury meant our team got even more stronger against spin. Kohli's transformation from potential to performance (in tests) has helped us too.

Don't know how Rahul is against spin. I mean quality spin.
 
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Without getting in to the politics of it and total understandable why it wont happen, it would definitely be a well fought series. Prefer to play in India rather than UAE

India vs Pakistan in SL pitches would be the best.

They know how to prepare true sporting tracks.

Mumbai 2016 track would be gun too.
 
If they ever get worried about that they will do what Cricket Australia did and start preparing wickets to make it easier for touring teams
 
Yeah india will win vs a team which has just made 450 in Oz, talk about over confidence, india are good side and may even vs pak, but easy is the last word to say that, i would say just bring it on even in your own den, we have best record in india i guess as foreign team and we play even better in india them in our home, so hold your courses, it's one thing to smash rashid and other to smash yasir on a turner. And if india think they have got better players of spin than yk, misbah and sarfraz, then it's useless to even argue with such a deluded lot.
 
I feel that of the current international teams, Pakistan is the only one who could really challenge India in a Test series in India.
 
We'll win against Pakistan in both India and the UAE.

They'll give us the maximum amount of fight though, and even walk away with a test or so.

How You are sure we will win, Cricket is unpredictable game
 
India vs Pakistan in SL pitches would be the best.

They know how to prepare true sporting tracks.

Mumbai 2016 track would be gun too.

Aww man those SL pitches would be a real lottery.
Also, the short leg fielders are gonna take a pounding due to the sweeps and the dancing down the wicket.
 
On a fair note, Pakistan with Yasir Shah, Azhar Ali and Younis Khan would give a stiff competition and has the best chance to beat India in India.

Misbah and Sarfraz are also excellent against spin.
 
I don't see the likes of Azhar and YK scoring big against Ashwin and Jaddu.

On the other hand, India plays leg spin very well. Yasir will not be effective against us.

Pacers from both sides will not do much.

The biggest difference between both sides is that Pak batting can collapse anytime. Indian batting does not collapse on Indian wickets.
 
There are a few one-offs. On of the matches involving Afridi, i think

Could be a ODI ? Am sure leg spinners have taken wickets against us .Generally though even the worst players of spin in India play leg spinners well , but against offies we actually struggled .
 
I don't see the likes of Azhar and YK scoring big against Ashwin and Jaddu.

On the other hand, India plays leg spin very well. Yasir will not be effective against us.

Pacers from both sides will not do much.

The biggest difference between both sides is that Pak batting can collapse anytime. Indian batting does not collapse on Indian wickets.

Pakistan's batting will be more reliable on Indian tracks as it is on UAE pitches.
 
Don't expect us to win a single test against India anywhere we play them, their transformation over the course of an year or so from an average Test team to a gun side has been remarkable. There is a such a huge contrast between the skill and fitness levels of both teams with India ahead of us by a mile in both aspects. There is no way we can compete with them with the resources at our disposal, doesn't matter where we play be it India or UAE, the result will be in India's favor. At best we can manage to salvage some pride by coming out with a draw and it'll be some achievement.
 
Could be a ODI ? Am sure leg spinners have taken wickets against us .Generally though even the worst players of spin in India play leg spinners well , but against offies we actually struggled .

No disagreements there. What I would say yasir has going for him is that he is more a kumble type bowler in terms of his line and pitch map. More over-spin and less side spin.
 
Pakistan may compete better than ENG/OZ/NZ/SA but i don't see any other result other than india beating pakistan if series is played in India or UAE.
 
Suddenly we went from being a dodgy side against spin to a gun side.

Our tail (Ash and Jayant) are very good against spin too. Jaddu will score at times.

Its nice to see useless dead weights like Dhawan, Gambo, Rohit thrown out. In fact, Rahane (who is a gun player outside Asia) is woeful against spin and his injury meant our team got even more stronger against spin. Kohli's transformation from potential to performance (in tests) has helped us too.

Don't know how Rahul is against spin. I mean quality spin.

I can see him demolishing any spinner in the shorter format , but I feel his defence against offspinners is a little awkward . I think thats one of the reasons why he attacks them early on in his innings , the flip side though there will be days it will not work and make him look stupid .
 
Man i am fed up with this hypothetical chest beating by indian fans because deep down they know there is more chance of comet attacking planet earth than india playing pak out of ICC tournaments atleast till 2020, so carry on your "we are undisputed best team in tests" rant till then. Because as they say make the hey while sun is shining. But in my views they shall never be rightful best test without beating pak, i will take even a test series win from india in india to settle the argument for once and all.
 
Pakistan's batting will be more reliable on Indian tracks as it is on UAE pitches.

On flat tracks, both batting lineups will score big. It will be a boring draw.

On turners, I see Indian batsmen playing Yasir much better than how Pak batsmen play against Ashwin/Jadeja.

Problem for Pak is that they only have one quality spinner. India has 2 spinners who can attack from both ends.

Indian batsmen struggle against quality off spin. They never seem to be troubled by leggies. Sure the leggies grab some wickets. But they come at a great price.

With an over the hill YK/Misbah forming Pak's middle order, it will be hard for Pak to score big. Outside of Azhar Ali and to some extent Babar Azam(newwbie), I do not see any quality batsmen in Pak's side who can score big.

Another big difference is the fitness levels. Indian players have much better fitness and hence better fielding unit. It will be huge when the match is played over 5 days. Everyone will be tested and there is no hiding in a pressure match.
 
Real competition ????? Hmmmmm ...... Let me see ..... The Indians are ranked # 1 ..... and we are ?????
 
Pakistan is a very unpredictable side..

When you expect them to get whitewashed in England they draw series. When you expect them to comfortably win in nz they get muled by de Grandhamm out of all people. When you expect them to get smashed in Australia they make Steve smith almost cry on a 5th day

They perform best when they play as an underdog rather than clear favorites. It's difficult to rate them overall as they are so inconsistent

I would have gone with Pakistan when they drew series in England but at this moment it has to be India. Under Kohli they are annoyingly ruthless. I don't see them loosing a match against Windies on a home deck
 
Yeah india will win vs a team which has just made 450 in Oz, talk about over confidence, india are good side and may even vs pak, but easy is the last word to say that, i would say just bring it on even in your own den, we have best record in india i guess as foreign team and we play even better in india them in our home, so hold your courses, it's one thing to smash rashid and other to smash yasir on a turner. And if india think they have got better players of spin than yk, misbah and sarfraz, then it's useless to even argue with such a deluded lot.

Your words are giving me smell of overconfidence mate.... India has many times made 450 in their last tour of OZ so lets leave that into consideration for now.

And believe it or not, you may give us competition but we will surely win against you. Be it in UAE or in India...
 
Man i am fed up with this hypothetical chest beating by indian fans because deep down they know there is more chance of comet attacking planet earth than india playing pak out of ICC tournaments atleast till 2020, so carry on your "we are undisputed best team in tests" rant till then. Because as they say make the hey while sun is shining. But in my views they shall never be rightful best test without beating pak, i will take even a test series win from india in india to settle the argument for once and all.

This will never happen. Because then you will ask for a series in UAE.... :))
 
This will never happen. Because then you will ask for a series in UAE.... :))

And what is wrong with having a series in UAE?

Didn't you lot arrange an IPL season there a couple of years ago.


Ab UAE mein khelnay se dar lagta hai, woh alag baat hai..
 
And what is wrong with having a series in UAE?

Didn't you lot arrange an IPL season there a couple of years ago.


Ab UAE mein khelnay se dar lagta hai, woh alag baat hai..

Fear a team who has lost against us in every game in recent years? LOL....
 
no i never will, and if i do so than you won't ever have to take me seriously ever and can happily label me as a troll if i do so.

I hope we get a series bro. Be it in UAE or in India. Even I want to see the game. :)

I agree with you debate cant be settled till we compete with each other. Till then everything is a troll
 
It will be down to Pakistan batting vs Indian bowling. Indian batting will dominate this pakistan line up. India's bench strength is awesome too. Pakistan is still stuck with guys who made debut 16 years back.
 
Its always tough to predict Ind vs Pak. On Subcontinent conditions, i give edge to India, 3 Spin A/R gives Indian lineup a good advantage on subcontinent conditions. Outside its Pakistan.
 
India is battle hardened. The amount of Cricket they have played compared to Pakistan in the last 10 years, the IPL exposure, they have had way more foreign tours to Australia, England, South Africa compared to Pakistan and the riches of the BCCI has meant the Indian players turn up to the field with their head held ten times higher compared to the Pakistani players who enter with an inferiority complex, with 10 different things to worry about in their cricketing and personal lives and ofcourse soaking in more pressure of the Pak India series.

The only for the Pakistani players to compete with the Indians if they actually play with some anger and that they have something to prove. I believe the Pakistani team will only do well and end up punching above their weight when there is absolutely no expectation on them at all to beat or compete with India.
 
Wow you know all that . How ever I am pretty sure the highly paid consultant and coach of indian team may know that too
 
Tough one to call. It depends on if the pitches are like the current ones vs England or rank turners.

If they were similar to the England series all the games would be bore draws. If England can consistently make 400+ on these pitches (and they are poor at playing spin) we would easily make over 500 and ensure an India win is out of the equation.

If they were rank turners I would say India have a slight edge but dont forget in low scoring games it can come down to the tail, and ours is probably better at the moment.

Also we have a better fast bowling attack which pretty much puts the sides as even and makes it impossible to call.
 
Pakistan will definitely be the only team that will mount the biggest challenge for India at home. The batting will probably cancel each other out while the lack of a quality 2nd and 3rd spinner for Pakistan might be the telling difference on the bowling front. Anyway all these are hypothetical scenarios and we can argue all day long but it isn't going to happen anyway.

On an another note, if India wins against Australia next, it will hold the trophies against all the test nations. Yes, India hold the trophy against Pakistan as it last beat Pakistan at home in 2007.:afridi
 
india bats till jayant yadav......our alrounders like ashwin or jadeja can regularly bat in their top 5.......and yeah even if pakistan comes and get beaten in india then they will say come to uae and even if we beat them there then they will say let us win the all tosses first.....pakistan were not able to beat west indies ,new zealand,south africa at home....and look what we have done to them......they are living in paradise dreams after all
 
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And what is wrong with having a series in UAE?

Didn't you lot arrange an IPL season there a couple of years ago.


Ab UAE mein khelnay se dar lagta hai, woh alag baat hai..

Playing in UAE is safe so I don't know what's the issue. We can play at neutral venues atleast if we are not ready to play in each other's countries.
 
Yeah I think Pakistan is the only team that can truly compete against India in India. The rest (SA, England, NZ, Asutralia) are all garbage away. Australia will surely get a 4-0 thrashing next. Teams like SA can do well in Australia because pitches are similar to their own pitches, but it's remarkable how poor they all are in Asia. Could never have expected Australia to be whitewashed by one of the worst Sri Lankan teams of all-time.

If Pakistan and India play in UAE, I think Pakistan can even beat them in a series.
 
Yeah I think Pakistan is the only team that can truly compete against India in India. The rest (SA, England, NZ, Asutralia) are all garbage away. Australia will surely get a 4-0 thrashing next. Teams like SA can do well in Australia because pitches are similar to their own pitches, but it's remarkable how poor they all are in Asia. Could never have expected Australia to be whitewashed by one of the worst Sri Lankan teams of all-time.

If Pakistan and India play in UAE, I think Pakistan can even beat them in a series.

but south africa ,new zealand and west india drew series in uae ......so i dnt think they are garbage teams at all....
 
but south africa ,new zealand and west india drew series in uae ......so i dnt think they are garbage teams at all....

South Africa are arguably the best among them. But they were beaten badly against India and they haven't toured UAE since Pakistan's resurgence in Tests. They drew against Pakistan in 10' and 13' when Pakistan was pretty average and they were the best test team in the world.
New Zealand did well in one test, otherwise Pakistan dominated the first two Test matches.
And West Indies did not draw the series. They lost. What are you talking about?
 
i would be confident of our 2017 team against india. may even replace same with hafeez.
once ykband misbah retire it would swing it indias way
 
i would be confident of our 2017 team against india. may even replace same with hafeez.
once ykband misbah retire it would swing it indias way

YK just needs to get one century in the rest of the 4 innings and he should be good till half-way of 2017.

With an easy-ish tour of Windies coming along I'm sure YK will plunder on those flat tracks as well. So YK will stick around for a bit, all he needs to do is perform in the ongoing series.


Misbah is playing his last series, but we won't miss him as much since he has been a passenger in the side for a few months now.

If Sarfaraz is given the captaincy and someone like Usman Salahuddin is added to the middle order then our 2017 side may even be stronger than our 2016 side.
 
Your words are giving me smell of overconfidence mate.... India has many times made 450 in their last tour of OZ so lets leave that into consideration for now.

And believe it or not, you may give us competition but we will surely win against you. Be it in UAE or in India...

On dead pitches.
 
India is The Best team. But india Will loss in Uae. Because of The Ball change and The Bowl does NOT spin AS Much AS in uae. In india Bowl spin a alot. Indian Leader and bcci are idiots. India vs Pak in a 4 match test series World be great. Please someone Tweet this to kholi AS He is a lovely guyz that The fans one pak vs india india fans should do this
 
I hope India play Pakistan next year, anywhere be it. They are scheduled for 3 tests. really hope it pushes through. Looks unlikely right now though. Plain honest to oneself, expect to see a spanking of Pakistan
 
Ok. Indians getting too big. Perform away first.

Claiming to beat Pakistan isn't something too big. It is expected, specially in Asia. Honestly speaking, the only place where this Pakistani team stands a chance against India is England. So a series there should be quite exciting.
 
Man i am fed up with this hypothetical chest beating by indian fans because deep down they know there is more chance of comet attacking planet earth than india playing pak out of ICC tournaments atleast till 2020, so carry on your "we are undisputed best team in tests" rant till then. Because as they say make the hey while sun is shining. But in my views they shall never be rightful best test without beating pak, i will take even a test series win from india in india to settle the argument for once and all.

It is not totally hypothetical ... the Past is replete with Pakistan fans/media making fun of Indian Cricket. The perception built up is such that India weren't worthy of even being taken seriously. Depending on the IQ of the fan the Reasons for such perceptions would vary from puerile jingo bravado such as "Rice eating buzdil/meek people afraid of the Sher-like Pakistan players" ..... to the slightly polished but underneath just as irrational and Biased opinion expressed with a smirk that went along the lines of "Tumharey pas phasth bowler hi nahi hain .... hamarey pas har galli mein milengey etc ". These voices reached a fever pitch around late 80s.

Truth is while all this was happening India quietly won the WC, followed that by B&H World Series, drew a Series IN Pakistan ... ( a 16 yr old kid spanked some of the battle hardened pro's )... repeated that again in the WC 1992 then a avg player like Ajay Jadeja and a whole bunch of pure rice eaters won us 96 WC Q/F against all odds , then we repeated it in 1999 and again in 2003. Now any other set of fans would learn their lesson by now but thats not how Pakistan operates. They had to Goad and do a Aa-bail-mujhe-maar before that memorable jeet lo dill series. Sure enough there were 2 inngs defeats Veeru spanking a triple and then going on to win the ODI series as well. Did that put an end to the usual chest thumping ? Absolutely not. And now it is back again due to Pakistans draw in Eng. But I hope you realize why Indian fans dont take Pakistan as a serious threat anymore. Times have changed. Move on.
 
Claiming to beat Pakistan isn't something too big. It is expected, specially in Asia. Honestly speaking, the only place where this Pakistani team stands a chance against India is England. So a series there should be quite exciting.

Pakistan stand a chance against India in Tests anywhere in the world.
 
If they ever get worried about that they will do what Cricket Australia did and start preparing wickets to make it easier for touring teams

In return we will prepare pitches that are far more difficult for you guys so we can feel much greater and falsely believe we are good.
 
Claiming to beat Pakistan isn't something too big. It is expected, specially in Asia. Honestly speaking, the only place where this Pakistani team stands a chance against India is England. So a series there should be quite exciting.

Recent test record is more of a draw i think.
 
Of course whats more amusing is that this thread comes after we lose a test (no matter how valiantly fought) against Australia.
 
We believe we can beat India all the time (even in worldcup lol) .
 
Pakistan is a superior version of India in tests. In a three match series played on rank turners, Pak would win 2:1. On dead tracks, Pak would win 1:0.

They have better batsman, better pacers, a better keeper and one on one, Shah is better than any of India's spinners. Once Younis and Misbah retire, then it will be much closer with India having a slight advantage.
 
It doesn't matter what the fans want.

The Indian government, the Indian gung ho media and even social media indicates they don't want to play Pakistan.

It's been 9 years and it will probably be another 10 years before a series happens.
 
After the launch of the IPL, the BCCI doesn't consider Pakistan as a worthy opponent.

BCCI would rather arrange a Mini IPL in the free period than some Test Series against Pakistan.

And the Current Indian team is leading the rankings table by some distance. They don't even need to play against Pakistan to prove a point.

It's the Number 1 Team against whom everyone wants to play.

BCCI will arrange series even against lullo teams to secure their Vote Block but continue to isolate Pakistan. Neither is Pakistan's Vote important to BCCI, nor is the revenue to be made playing against them too enticing.
 
Pakistan is a superior version of India in tests. In a three match series played on rank turners, Pak would win 2:1. On dead tracks, Pak would win 1:0.

They have better batsman, better pacers, a better keeper and one on one, Shah is better than any of India's spinners. Once Younis and Misbah retire, then it will be much closer with India having a slight advantage.

On dead tracks, India is the best team whereas Pak can collapse easily on any track
 
After the launch of the IPL, the BCCI doesn't consider Pakistan as a worthy opponent.

BCCI would rather arrange a Mini IPL in the free period than some Test Series against Pakistan.

And the Current Indian team is leading the rankings table by some distance. They don't even need to play against Pakistan to prove a point.

It's the Number 1 Team against whom everyone wants to play.

BCCI will arrange series even against lullo teams to secure their Vote Block but continue to isolate Pakistan. Neither is Pakistan's Vote important to BCCI, nor is the revenue to be made playing against them too enticing.

And neither do we care that you don't want to play.

Leave your chest thumping somewhere else and no one gives a toss about your corrupt mafia greedy out of control BCCI.
 
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