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India will likely remain number 1 for another 10 years!

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The number of good players coming through their ranks is unbelievable , their batting is superb and they have an incredible bowling lineup as well. The backup is as good as the main team , they will easily surpass the great west indian team of 80s and australian team of 2000s. There will be rare failures but most often than not they will come on top of their opposition.
 
Lol.

Posters like Tyron woodsomething has gotten to you? He's gotten to me as well.
 
India has all things going for them big population which is interested in cricket a lot of money being invested and finally edfficent use of those resources in infrastructure and great role models to look up to I for one think it took them to long to get where they are to be honest Pakistan should be Argentina to India's Brazil but our system is too corrupt for that to happen maybe Bangladesh will be that Argentina in future.
 
Lol.

Posters like Tyron woodsomething has gotten to you? He's gotten to me as well.

tyron Woodley. right here. I am not trying to get to you. Just stating facts. I am a realist.

india have the potential to dominate for another 3 years in test cricket and that's more than enough to be fair. They have already been number 1 for almost 5 years. Let's see how it pans out.

We cant predict the future.

pakistan are getting stronger. England are much better noe. Aussies are dominant at home again. south africa are in a developing phase but their bowling is still top quality.
 
We'll never be in the league of the great West Indian team of the 80's or the great Australian team of 2000's unless we consistently win Test series away like they did. But we can definitely become the third best team ever if we continue like this for another 10 years.
 
India has all things going for them big population which is interested in cricket a lot of money being invested and finally edfficent use of those resources in infrastructure and great role models to look up to I for one think it took them to long to get where they are to be honest Pakistan should be Argentina to India's Brazil but our system is too corrupt for that to happen maybe Bangladesh will be that Argentina in future.

pakistan will only get better. PSL has laid the foundation and now they have a strong domestic circuit as well.

india dint have the money and infrsturucre till ipl started. so around 2008 things changed. So they are already reaping the rewards now.

if india and Pakistan had the financial power and resources that australia and England possess then the former 2 teams would have dominated pre 2000 as well.
 
We'll never be in the league of the great West Indian team of the 80's or the great Australian team of 2000's unless we consistently win Test series away like they did. But we can definitely become the third best team ever if we continue like this for another 10 years.

? one series win vs englsnd away and n.z away would put india as number 2 already.
 
For this to happen, India should at least tick the overseas win boxes in SA, AUS, Eng at least once in each country. That will also secure their place in history books with better and deserving respect too.

Ofcourse in test matches.
 
For this to happen, India should at least tick the overseas win boxes in SA, AUS, Eng at least once in each country. That will also secure their place in history books with better and deserving respect too.

Ofcourse in test matches.

they have already won in australia.
England and n.z win away is important to etch their name as the greatest team ever. otherwise its number 3 or 4.
 
they have already won in australia.
England and n.z win away is important to etch their name as the greatest team ever. otherwise its number 3 or 4.

I meant in the next 10 years.
Yes, in the last 19 years, India have held the #1 ranking for nearly 10 years in two blocks if I am not wrong.
 
I am happy for you and im gonna let you finish but your opinion is so wrong LOL

who won the last two WCs? Australia and England.

Which team has the best ODI team right now? England

Which team has the best t20I team right now? Pakistan
 
It is a privilege to watch this GOAT Asian team.

Truly the best Test team in the world, and the best ODI/T20I side as well along with England.

India was always destined to be the strongest Asian side, and also stronger than all other teams and on par with the likes of Australia and England.

They have the largest cricket population in the world, the most prosperous Asian country among the cricket playing countries, a huge cricket crazy market etc.

It took a very long time for them to assert their dominance because of in the incompetence of BCCI, but once they got their act together around the late 90’s/early 2000’s, there is no stopping them now.

The gap between them and other sides (excluding the other big 2) will continue to widen.
 
This Indian side still cannot be called one of the greatest because they have not won in RSA and England first they need to beat them in tests away then you could say this Indian side is one of the greatest other than that labeling this side greatest is just like saying Pakistan is one of the greatest T20 team because it is number 1 in ICC rankings
 
I am happy for you and im gonna let you finish but your opinion is so wrong LOL

who won the last two WCs? Australia and England.

Which team has the best ODI team right now? England

Which team has the best t20I team right now? Pakistan


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The team that were whitewashed by Sri Lanka D at home?

You know very well what the outcome will be if we play India in a T20I series today. It will be as ugly as the 2018 Asia Cup.

Anyway, carry on calling Pakistan the best T20I team in the world. You deserve to be proud and happy.
 
It is a privilege to watch this GOAT Asian team.

Truly the best Test team in the world, and the best ODI/T20I side as well along with England.

India was always destined to be the strongest Asian side, and also stronger than all other teams and on par with the likes of Australia and England.

They have the largest cricket population in the world, the most prosperous Asian country among the cricket playing countries, a huge cricket crazy market etc.

It took a very long time for them to assert their dominance because of in the incompetence of BCCI, but once they got their act together around the late 90’s/early 2000’s, there is no stopping them now.

The gap between them and other sides (excluding the other big 2) will continue to widen.

Totally agree with the incompetence part of BCCI till late 1990s and 2000s.
 
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The team that were whitewashed by Sri Lanka D at home?

You know very well what the outcome will be if we play India in a T20I series today. It will be as ugly as the 2018 Asia Cup.

Anyway, carry on calling Pakistan the best T20I team in the world. You deserve to be proud and happy.

In counter to that the same bangla team that got blanked beat India in their recent t20I series.

You cannot make comparisons like that. The SRL win was an anamoly considering Pakistan has been number 1 since the past two years.
 
To be number 1, you don't need to be great. You just need to be better than the rest. And I think India has the potential to do it for a few years.
 
I am happy for you and im gonna let you finish but your opinion is so wrong LOL

who won the last two WCs? Australia and England.

Which team has the best ODI team right now? England

Which team has the best t20I team right now? Pakistan

How come Pakistan has the best T20 team when it itself isn't the T20 world champion?
 
In counter to that the same bangla team that got blanked beat India in their recent t20I series.

You cannot make comparisons like that. The SRL win was an anamoly considering Pakistan has been number 1 since the past two years.

LOL, Bangladesh beat India in the recent T20 series? :))
 
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India beat Bangladesh 2-1.

Bangladesh won a match because of a brilliant 60 not out by Mushfiq who you think is not even good enough to play against Pakistan.

I know this will fall on deaf years, but let me explain something:

In today’s era, there is no such thing as a good T20I team and a mediocre ODI team. You are either good at white ball cricket or you are not.

This isn’t 2007 anymore. The concept of having a separate set of players for ODIs and T20Is doesn’t exist anymore.

The reason is that ODI cricket has evolved to the point where it is almost an extended version of T20I cricket.

If a player is not good enough to play ODI cricket, he is most likely not good enough to play T20I cricket either and vice-versa.

If a team is ranked 1 in T20Is and 6 in ODIs, it is very clear that there is something wrong.

In today’s era, you can be a low ranked LOI team and a high ranked Test team, but you cannot be a low ranked ODI team and a high ranked T20I team.

Either Pakistan’s T20I ranking is misleading or Pakistan’s ODI ranking is misleading.

Unfortunately, when you look at the composition of our team and the caliber of our players, it is obvious that our 6th ranking in ODIs is largely the true reflection of where we stand in Limited Overs cricket.

Apart from Babar, there is no player in Pakistan who can genuinely make a claim for a place in a world T20I or world ODI XI, or a world Limited Overs XI.

If Pakistan were to play three 5 match T20I series against India, England and Australia, it will lose around 11-12 matches and will find itself 5th or 6th in the ranking, which is an accurate assessment of where we stand in Limited Overs cricket.
 
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In counter to that the same bangla team that got blanked beat India in their recent t20I series.

You cannot make comparisons like that. The SRL win was an anamoly considering Pakistan has been number 1 since the past two years.

BD did not beat India in the series...they just won 1 game. Infact, its the first and only match BD beaten India in last 5 years (since june 2015) across all formats.
 
LOL, Bangladesh beat India in the recent T20 series? :))

They only won 1 match thanks to Mushfiq, who is one of the two top players in Bangladesh and as important to Bangladesh as Babar is to Pakistan.

Well you can expect alternate facts from people who want to prove that Pakistan is the best T20I side in the world at the moment.
 
I think for India to remain no.1 for 10 years, we need to beat major teams overseas. We had a good chance of beating South Africa in South Africa but a fresh de Villiers and that bowling attack made sure we still have to wait for more time.

We also had a very poor record in England in our previous three tours and this needs to be figured out if we have to raise the standard of our test team. I feel India have everything to remain a no. 1 team for next 10 years but the Indian team management and Shashtri Ji have to work on their team selections and prioritize the overseas tests because down the years, those victories will be valued and remembered the most.

Australia are also emerging as a force now and can give us competition with a team that has Smith, Warner, Labuschangne, Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood and Lyon but they still have some mediocrity in their batting lineup yet to be washed up. England will continue to remain a team who will play well against Australians, Saffers and Indians but lose matches to Kiwis, Pakistan, Lanka and even Windies. So, let's see what we have in store for the next few years. A test championship win will definitely uplift this Indian team's legacy.
 
Plain stupidity, they never will be a patch on the great west Indian, Australian or the England side under Strauss who also were dominant
 
I think we are getting over excited by the NZ mental block. India is good and shall remain a force but to claim they will be number 1 in any format is over the top.
 
You're being harsh on Pakistan. Pakistan is currently the second best team in Asia and has probably the best bowling attacks in the world. If only Babar can get the batting sorted, Pakistan will easily be in top 3, and that is something to be proud of. I believe that India has been in top 3 during 2010-20 for the most part.

Pakistan is very much similar to Argentina if India is like Brazil. It has a large population of cricket-loving fans, a legacy of fantastic players and world champions, a charismatic ex-captain as the prime minister who will happily provide financial support to growing cricket in the country, a growing economy, decent (still improving) cricketing infrastructure and like India and not many lucrative/interesting alternatives for entertainment (movies and cricket rule in India, I guess it's the same in Pakistan) and similarities in people (temperamentally Indians and Pakistanis are the same competitive, hard-working, emotionally sensitive(jazba junoon), street-smart people who find a way to do well in sports as well as in life).



India has all things going for them big population which is interested in cricket a lot of money being invested and finally edfficent use of those resources in infrastructure and great role models to look up to I for one think it took them to long to get where they are to be honest Pakistan should be Argentina to India's Brazil but our system is too corrupt for that to happen maybe Bangladesh will be that Argentina in future.
 
They are already a great team and for the next 10 years will be the most dominant one in ODIs and maybe Tests due to their massive selection pool, infrastructure and regular series against top teams.

However it won't appear like that because Australia will be right next to them in terms of quality. Not like how it was for Australia in the early 2000s.
 
In Tests, yes.

In white ball Cricket , we have to win some silverware to claim that. But I think we should be winning atleast 2 out of the next 3 ICC events. Anything less is a failure.
 
It is a privilege to watch this GOAT Asian team.

Truly the best Test team in the world, and the best ODI/T20I side as well along with England.

India was always destined to be the strongest Asian side, and also stronger than all other teams and on par with the likes of Australia and England.

They have the largest cricket population in the world, the most prosperous Asian country among the cricket playing countries, a huge cricket crazy market etc.

It took a very long time for them to assert their dominance because of in the incompetence of BCCI, but once they got their act together around the late 90’s/early 2000’s, there is no stopping them now.

The gap between them and other sides (excluding the other big 2) will continue to widen.

What will you write if this indian team do win 50 over and t20 worldcup 😂😂😂
 
In test cricket, we are No.1 for last 3 years and safe to say we will be No.1 for two more years and play the first test championship final. So, that's 5 years at No.1.

The next 5 years depends on various factors...if the next gen batsman like Gill and Shaw kicks off and bowlers like Bumrah and Saini take the good work forward then you can never know.

But for me, 5 years at No.1 and hopefully capped with test championship title would be unreal and amazing.

In ODIs and T20 we are not No.1 in any sense but in top 3 comfortably and will stay thereafter and maybe No.1 too sometime.
 
A champion No. 1 like Australia had 3 back to back World Cups during their supreme domination.

India has the WC 2011 (highly unconvincing but deserved winners) and a CT2013 (Decent 4 match run)

Besides this they seem to fall short at the world stage.
 
A champion No. 1 like Australia had 3 back to back World Cups during their supreme domination.

India has the WC 2011 (highly unconvincing but deserved winners) and a CT2013 (Decent 4 match run)

Besides this they seem to fall short at the world stage.

India is playing very good cricket in ICC tournaments as well and perhaps the most consistent team of the last decade. But somehow not able to pass the semi/final hurdle since 2013 CT.

2014 T20WC - Sanga robbed us in finals.
2015 WC - Played exceptional cricket throughout but couldnt pass the semi hurdle.
2016 T20 WC - Andre Russel stopped us in semi's.
2017 CT - Unbeaten finalists, Fakhar Zaman no ball and rest is history.
2019 WC - Unbeaten semi finalists but 30 mins of poor cricket and all over.

Somehow we are not able to pass this barrier. Hopefully we will address this issue in future events.
 
I meant in the next 10 years.
Yes, in the last 19 years, India have held the #1 Test ranking for nearly 10 years in two blocks if I am not wrong.

No, they have been ranked #1 for about 5 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship#Historical_rankings

India's current streak is 40 months, and it ranks 5th in all time streaks. The longest streak is for the Australian team at 95 months, and the WI team at 89 months.

If India does remain #1 for 5 more years, then its streak would be 100 months.
 
What is the OP trying to do?

Is he gassing over a T20i series win where NZ should have won 3 of the 5 matches but lost coz they're chokers?
 
What is the OP trying to do?

Is he gassing over a T20i series win where NZ should have won 3 of the 5 matches but lost coz they're chokers?

:))) Good one. New Zealand, like Pakistan, should take a moral victory from this defeat.
 
Would be good if others teams too learn the art of enjoying moral victories from Pakistan.
Don’t understand why you’re bringing Pakistan in this for no reason.

Enjoy your victory and stop obsessing over Pakistan
 
Don’t understand why you’re bringing Pakistan in this for no reason.

Enjoy your victory and stop obsessing over Pakistan

You're the one saying how New Zealand should have won they series, not India. And I'm the one obsessing about Pakistan?
 
Don’t understand why you’re bringing Pakistan in this for no reason.

Enjoy your victory and stop obsessing over Pakistan

It's you who's over-obsessed with Indian cricket and their performance. Thanks for your support. True fans like you are an asset to world cricket... I mean Indian cricket.
 
I see this with a lot of Indians.
They win against a XYZ team and start talking about as if they just won to impress Pakistan.

Obsession
 
You're the one saying how New Zealand should have won they series, not India. And I'm the one obsessing about Pakistan?

What wrong did i say?
Should they not have won the last three T20is?

Accept the truth. They should have but didn’t.
 
Firstly, what’re you on about?

Secondly, i wasn’t talking to you. It’s not good manners to butt into other people’s conversations

Thirdly, that was a proper corny comment. I actually cringed while reading it
 
What wrong did i say?
Should they not have won the last three T20is?

Accept the truth. They should have but didn’t.

No, Indian bowlers snatched victory from their batsmen. That's how the game is played, either your batsmen win it for you or your bowlers.
 
No, Indian bowlers snatched victory from their batsmen. That's how the game is played, either your batsmen win it for you or your bowlers.

Lol.

Would you not expect a team to win if they’re RRR was just above 6 and had 6-7 wickets in hand?
 
It's not good manners to undermine a champion team's success either just cause it's not Pakistan. I'm talking to you. Yes, to you!

Didn’t undermine anything.
Just said to the OP that there’s no point of using a T20i series win to say that India will be no.1 for the next ten years. It’s not a sensible claim.
 
Lol.

Would you not expect a team to win if they’re RRR was just above 6 and had 6-7 wickets in hand?

What matters is whether the opposition bowlers can restrict them or not. In India's case, they did.
 
Stick to the topic,don't derail the thread, obviously debate but within limits :)
 
If Indian bowlers (Bumrah and Shami) remain healthy until Kohli and Sharma's decline then they will be up there in top ranks.

To be honest, they are only competing against Australia. Next series against Aussies gonna be a cracker!

England, NZ and SA are not consistent enough to challenge them.

Pak/SL are in a rebuilding phase. That said, I still believe Pakistan might be only ones who can properly own India in India (be it tests/odi or t20i series). Deep down Indians know that :yk

tldr: Only Aussies can challenge India.
 
What was bcci doing till early 2000's? Why were you not so important in cricketing world till then!
 
What was bcci doing till early 2000's? Why were you not so important in cricketing world till then!

The commercialization of the game started in the early 90's and within that decade the BCCI became the financial powerhouse of cricket. Ever since then they have been simply adding up to their account.
 
It was jagmohan dalmiya who was responsible for laying down the foundation to turn BCCI into the financial powerhouse that it is now - the man behind 1987, 96 WCs in the SC. The ego issues between him, bindra and dungarpur delayed many things which should've taken place long before than they did. Better late than never.
 
India has all things going for them big population which is interested in cricket a lot of money being invested and finally edfficent use of those resources in infrastructure and great role models to look up to I for one think it took them to long to get where they are to be honest Pakistan should be Argentina to India's Brazil but our system is too corrupt for that to happen maybe Bangladesh will be that Argentina in future.

its all about the economy and management.

Your economy will grow, who ever is in government. The question is whether PCB can become professional. If that happens, you will be one of the top teams again.
 
That said, I still believe Pakistan might be only ones who can properly own India in India (be it tests/odi or t20i series). Deep down Indians know that :yk


If fluking one off wins in a series is called "Owning" then definitely why not ? :yk
 
That said, I still believe Pakistan might be only ones who can properly own India in India (be it tests/odi or t20i series). Deep down Indians know that :yk

tldr: Only Aussies can challenge India.

No, we don't think of Pakistan as a challenge these days, rest aside fearing them. What to fear of a middling team..Our real challenge in this new decade will be again Australia and England.
 
What wrong did i say?
Should they not have won the last three T20is?

Accept the truth. They should have but didn’t.

... and some people complain that every Indian wants to undermine Pakistan (even dedicating a thread to rant) but when opposite happens, they are silent.

Shows hypocrisy but I am sure they won't even realise it.
 
One can never predict how the next generation will do at the international level irrespective of the hype they get before.
 
What wrong did i say?
Should they not have won the last three T20is?

Accept the truth. They should have but didn’t.

Even we should have won the Chennai Test in 99', except that we collapsed and lost by 12 runs. So?
 
... and some people complain that every Indian wants to undermine Pakistan (even dedicating a thread to rant) but when opposite happens, they are silent.

Shows hypocrisy but I am sure they won't even realise it.

Don't worry, their hypocrisy won't allow them to realize it.
 
What series have we "fluked" against you?

The only fluke i remember is that 3rd ODI win in 2012/13 by you.

Relax. Take a deep breath and read what I wrote again before getting all worked up.

All I meant was that Pakistan can only win one off games against a full strength Indian team right now. Like the champions trophy final which is sandwiched between 8 defeats to us on either side.

It's 2020. Not 2012. Move on. Things have changed whether you agree or not. :)
 
One can never predict how the next generation will do at the international level irrespective of the hype they get before.

indian batsman generally justifies the hype. Anything different than that is anomaly e.g. unmukt chand etc.
 
Even we should have won the Chennai Test in 99', except that we collapsed and lost by 12 runs. So?

You choked like NZ choked here which is what i've said.

So what are you trying to deny? That NZ choked?
 
indian batsman generally justifies the hype. Anything different than that is anomaly e.g. unmukt chand etc.

Gill and Shaw obviously have bright futures. Problem isnt that they will perform or not problem is replicating the previous standards which made India a top team.

Lets take example of Aussies of 2000s vs now. Australia is still a good cricket team but obviously nowhere near the level of 2000s as its hard to replicate someone like Hayden, Ghilchrist, Warne, Mcgrath etc generation after generation. Other than Smith and in future maybe Cummins there isnt any such level of performer in tests.

Coming to India; Kohli and Rohit are already ATGs in ODI format, replicating average of almost 60 as 1 down batsman, over 50 or so as an opener respectively with so many match winning efforts isnt an easy task. There is a reason someone is called an ATG and every generation consistently cant be of the same level. There are a lot of things involved in becoming an ATG and its just not potential.
 
They are good no doubt but there is difference between being No1 and translating that into winning ICC tournaments.Ask South Africa. India are the new chokers believe it or not
 
They are good no doubt but there is difference between being No1 and translating that into winning ICC tournaments.Ask South Africa. India are the new chokers believe it or not

They have been chokers since 2011, haven't won a single ICC trophy except for one champions trophy in which they got very lucky
 
Gill and Shaw obviously have bright futures. Problem isnt that they will perform or not problem is replicating the previous standards which made India a top team.

Lets take example of Aussies of 2000s vs now. Australia is still a good cricket team but obviously nowhere near the level of 2000s as its hard to replicate someone like Hayden, Ghilchrist, Warne, Mcgrath etc generation after generation. Other than Smith and in future maybe Cummins there isnt any such level of performer in tests.

Coming to India; Kohli and Rohit are already ATGs in ODI format, replicating average of almost 60 as 1 down batsman, over 50 or so as an opener respectively with so many match winning efforts isnt an easy task. There is a reason someone is called an ATG and every generation consistently cant be of the same level. There are a lot of things involved in becoming an ATG and its just not potential.

Gill and Shaw don't have to replicate what Kohli and Rohit have achieved to keep India at top. They *only* have to be better than the second best. It's elementary.
 
There will be no shortage of talented players coming through but it's about how we handle them. We still have superstar and seniority culture rampant within the system, that may limit our on-field performance. But there's no doubt that India will remain at the top.
 
Gill and Shaw don't have to replicate what Kohli and Rohit have achieved to keep India at top. They *only* have to be better than the second best. It's elementary.

But there is no guarantee that second best or some other team wont be producing an ATG or two in next generation.
 
But there is no guarantee that second best or some other team wont be producing an ATG or two in next generation.

I didn't say *anything* was guaranteed. Read my post again.

To repeat, Whether India stays at the top ONLY requires that Gill/Shaw/Whoever are better than the next best. They could be better than Kohli/Rohit and still not keep India at the summit if they aren't also better than the next best. Like I said, elementary.
 
I didn't say *anything* was guaranteed. Read my post again.

To repeat, Whether India stays at the top ONLY requires that Gill/Shaw/Whoever are better than the next best. They could be better than Kohli/Rohit and still not keep India at the summit if they aren't also better than the next best. Like I said, elementary.

The opening post of this thread is giving an absolutely statement to which I said in my very first post that nothing can be predicted. We are pretty much on the same page by the looks of it.
 
So you agree that Pakistan were the undeserving winners of that Test?
Talk about whataboutery

Looks like i need to go to your level to answer this.

NZ choked. Choked. You understand what that means?
They should have won but didn’t.

India choked. They should have won but didn’t.

Pakistan in the end won that test so they were obviously the deserving winners, same with India in this case but that doesn’t change the fact that NZ choked.

I’ll ask you again:

Do you agree that NZ choked or not?
 
Talk about whataboutery

Looks like i need to go to your level to answer this.

NZ choked. Choked. You understand what that means?
They should have won but didn’t.

India choked. They should have won but didn’t.

Pakistan in the end won that test so they were obviously the deserving winners, same with India in this case but that doesn’t change the fact that NZ choked.

I’ll ask you again:

Do you agree that NZ choked or not?

So you agree that India were the deserving winners?
 
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