Indian Diplomat to Britain: You must accept more Indian immigrants if you wants a free trade deal

[Yossarian]

Britain must accept more immigrants if it wants a free trade deal, Indian diplomat warns

Britain must accept higher levels of immigration from India if it hopes to sign a free trade agreement after Brexit, a senior Indian diplomat has warned, as he predicted it could take up to a decade to secure the deal.

YK Sinha, India’s High Commissioner to the UK, said "freer movement of people and professionals" had to form part of any future deal to ensure it was “mutually beneficial.”

Speaking to Indian business leaders in London, Mr Sinha said he was “very confident” that a “winning partnership” between the two countries would emerge after Britain's departure from the EU.

However, he also warned that signing a free trade agreement was “obviously not going to be easy” and suggested that the deal may not be complete until 2030.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...mmigrants-wants-free-trade-deal-warns-senior/

The UK wants to leave the EU because Brexiteers don't like "Freedom of movement of people". Well India won't sign a free trade deal unless the UK agrees to a "Freedom of movement of Indian people!"

And the anti-immigrant Brexiteers still think that the likes of Indians will be queuing up to sign free trade deals with Britain the very next day after Britain ceases to be a member of the EU, forgetting that India, China and the rest know how to play hardball.

 

[big_gamer007]

The UK wants to leave the EU because Brexiteers don't like "Freedom of movement of people". Well India won't sign a free trade deal unless the UK agrees to a "Freedom of movement of Indian people!"

And the anti-immigrant Brexiteers still think that the likes of Indians will be queuing up to sign free trade deals with Britain the very next day after Britain ceases to be a member of the EU, forgetting that India, China and the rest know how to play hardball.

Correct me if I am wrong but the brexiteers are generally against immigration from EU who steal labour/physical jobs right? Indians will be mostly into IT field and won't take up enough physical jobs compared to EU immigrants?

 

[Yossarian]

This article in The Telegraph (a leading pro-Brexit newspaper aimed at professionals, businessmen, the educated and the elite of British society) has set off a heated debate in the comments section, with some very right-wing views being expressed.

Here is one example:

Britain MUST accept? MUST accept?

Who the hell does this guy think he is? Indeed, if this truly is the message from the Indian government just who the hell do they think they are?

And if the headline is misleading, and the message is solely about access for students and business people, then what the hell has happened to the Telegraph's journalism? If it is this then, Editor, get a grip.

Let's tell India that an impoverished, undeveloped, socially ********, filthy basket case such as it is, even if it is the largest so-called democracy in the world, really needs to learn that asking politely is much more effective than demanding with menaces.

If India wishes to threaten us with no trade, we should point out that Idi Amin wasn't the only one capable of repatriating Asians in huge numbers. Let's see how the New Delhi government likes that idea.

British MUST indeed!

 

[Yossarian]

Correct me if I am wrong but the brexiteers are generally against immigration from EU who steal labour/physical jobs right? Indians will be mostly into IT field and won't take up enough physical jobs compared to EU immigrants?

But they will have families with kids. They will want to bring over elderly parents. When you look at immigrants (as opposed to expat workers who are there on a short term basis), it is not just the "worker" but all those other family members he/she is entitled to bring with them.

The millions of Indians (and Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, West Indians, Chinese, Nigerians etc) all started off with a "few workers" coming over to work in Britain because Britain needed them and asked them to come. Then their families came and joined them. Often their parents too .... now there's millions of us.

 

[big_gamer007]

But they will have families with kids. They will want to bring over elderly parents. When you look at immigrants (as opposed to expat workers who are there on a short term basis), it is not just the "worker" but all those other family members he/she is entitled to bring with them.

The millions of Indians (and Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, West Indians, Chinese, Nigerians etc) all started off with a "few workers" coming over to work in Britain because Britain needed them and asked them to come. Then their families came and joined them. Often their parents too .... now there's millions of us.

Ahh alright got your point that's fair enough.. Lets see how it goes..

 

[Yossarian]

Ahh alright got your point that's fair enough.. Lets see how it goes..

And just to add (sorrry to push the point): All these additional family members that the "worker" will be entitled to bring will need to use services like the Health Service, schooling for kids etc.

In the case of the EU Eastern Europeans coming to the UK, it is these additional family members needing to use services such as the NHS and education facilties, and overloading the local GP's and schools, is the main reason for the Brexiteers resentment rather than the "workers stealing jobs that the Brits didn't want to do anyway"

 

[KingKhanWC]

The UK wants to leave the EU because Brexiteers don't like "Freedom of movement of people". Well India won't sign a free trade deal unless the UK agrees to a "Freedom of movement of Indian people!"

And the anti-immigrant Brexiteers still think that the likes of Indians will be queuing up to sign free trade deals with Britain the very next day after Britain ceases to be a member of the EU, forgetting that India, China and the rest know how to play hardball.

Freedom of movement? Is there a quota they want or an unlimited number?

 

[IMMY69]

A FREE trade deal and freedom of movement go hand in hand.
One cannot exist without the other..

 

[KingKhanWC]

A FREE trade deal and freedom of movement go hand in hand.
One cannot exist without the other..

You can when the traffic will only head one way. The UK cannot give total freedom of movement to India, it will cause riots here. A quota if anything will be put in place and even then the government could lose the next election on this fact alone.

 

[sjahmed23]

India believes it can outsource all IT/Engineering jobs to India much like how China took manufacturing from the western countries. It has the same policy in US and is infact pleading with the trump organization to increase the H1b visa cap to allow more indians to take American jobs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well FTA cannot be done if there is no freedom of movement.These two things go together.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This is valid and fair trade. You want your produce in India, then take our produce as well. Either way Britain should do more in taking in immigrants from its former colonies. The least they can do.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I understand that Britain gains from a deal, as they get free trade, but what does India gain by shipping out Indian citizens? Are Indian people generally just considered a burden, even at home?

 

[IMMY69]

You can when the traffic will only head one way. The UK cannot give total freedom of movement to India, it will cause riots here. A quota if anything will be put in place and even then the government could lose the next election on this fact alone.

No my friend my point was that complete free trade cannot happen without complete freedom of movement. That’s the point at which negotiations begin.

Anyway, the UK cannot live outside of the EU trade deal without gett By back to manufacturing. It will take a generation to train people with the requisite skills and that is where our investment will go.

In the interim we need overseas skills for manufacturing and there will be a decade of heartache before we finally get back to where we were in the 60’s and 70’s. I for one am not looking forward to it.

 

[Yossarian]

I understand that Britain gains from a deal, as they get free trade, but what does India gain by shipping out Indian citizens? Are Indian people generally just considered a burden, even at home?

Ouch!

 

[Yossarian]

Well FTA cannot be done if there is no freedom of movement.These two things go together.

This is valid and fair trade. You want your produce in India, then take our produce as well. Either way Britain should do more in taking in immigrants from its former colonies. The least they can do.

Whether anyone agrees or prefers to bury their hands in sand and fail to admit it, the fact of the matter is that the single biggest reason for Brexiteers voting to leave the EU was due to immigration.

Now while it's true that in some parts of the country this was due to immigration from Eastern Europe, lets be honest about admitting the fact in the Tory heartlands of England up and down the country, immigration is synonymous with brown and black faces.

A Tory/Brexit voting middle aged couple/ pensioners out for a stroll in suburbia will not recognise an Eastern European immigrant coming the other way unless they were carrying a great big placard saying "I'm Nicola, an EU immigrant from Bucharest in Romania",.

Whereas, if it was a brown or black face, wearing the finest suit Saville Row had to offer, even if he/she was 3rd generation born and bred in Windsor, studied at Eton & Oxford and speaking in an Oxbridge accent, and now a Colonel in the British Army, they would automatically still be seen as being an immigrant unless the Tory couple happened to know them personally.

And you think these Tory/Brexiteers will be happy to have even more black/brown faced immigrants coming to Britain in the name of 'free movement' and free trade?

 

[CricketCartoons]

And you think these Tory/Brexiteers will be happy to have even more black/brown faced immigrants coming to Britain in the name of 'free movement' and free trade?

First of all, only native whites can truly speak for Britain, not the brown subjects. Second, after the mess the UK has left wherever they have set foot, it is the least they can do to take in people from there. Not only Indians, they should take in more Pakistanis too. Ideally I would want them to take in the unskilled population, but if they take skilled labour, I won't mind that, as we have a surplus of highly intelligent and highly good looking Indians.

I think this is brown vs brown jealousy, as usually we browns have cockroach mentality, and once we have migrated to the white shores, we hate more people like us coming in. But I would like to talk to the proper whites, who are the true sons of the great Britannia.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

First of all, only native whites can truly speak for Britain, not the brown subjects. Second, after the mess the UK has left wherever they have set foot, it is the least they can do to take in people from there. Not only Indians, they should take in more Pakistanis too. Ideally I would want them to take in the unskilled population, but if they take skilled labour, I won't mind that, as we have a surplus of highly intelligent and highly good looking Indians.

I think this is brown vs brown jealousy, as usually we browns have cockroach mentality, and once we have migrated to the white shores, we hate more people like us coming in. But I would like to talk to the proper whites, who are the true sons of the great Britannia.

Maybe you should join an Australian or American forum then, there's plenty of them in Sydney and Florida.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India believes it can outsource all IT/Engineering jobs to India much like how China took manufacturing from the western countries. It has the same policy in US and is infact pleading with the trump organization to increase the H1b visa cap to allow more indians to take American jobs.

I don't know why Trump doesn't agree, Indians in the USA are barely visible anyway, they could continue to do the work quietly in the background while the whites and blacks present the glamorous media image of the nation as Amir King Khan does for Britain.

 

[gani999]

I understand that Britain gains from a deal, as they get free trade, but what does India gain by shipping out Indian citizens? Are Indian people generally just considered a burden, even at home?

Yes, Indians are considered a burden at home.

India's governments over the years have failed miserably at population control. So the more Indians the government can ship out, the fewer jobs and services they will need to provide.

India's flagship IT industry has been indulging in this immigration racket for the past two decades with active government support. Now other industries are starting too.

This idiotic insistence on free movement of people is the one thing that is preventing a free trade agreement between India and the EU, US and other countries.

 

[Bewal Express]

So Ind that claims that it is a Superpower doesnt want its own people to stay in its own country, am i missing something here?

 

[CricketCartoons]

So Ind that claims that it is a Superpower doesnt want its own people to stay in its own country, am i missing something here?

Yes, you are missing the obvious. When Pakistan exports its mangoes worldwide, does it mean that it doesn't want its own people to have more mangoes?

 

[Bewal Express]

Yes, you are missing the obvious. When Pakistan exports its mangoes worldwide, does it mean that it doesn't want its own people to have more mangoes?

So your people are on par with our mangoes. I am sure the Indians love being compared to a Chaunsa or an Anwar Ratol. This has to be worst justification for exporting people i have seen.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What is more perplexing is that Indians are supposedly ideal immigrants anyway, they usually integrate well ( as compared to Pakistanis) are better educated, and call in to radio stations to agree with the general host nation complaints against other immigrants. You would think we would welcome them with open arms considering we'll be losing swathes of EU workers in the coming years.

 

[desi_launda]

Not sure what Britain expects to gain from a trade deal with India,many of Britain's strong sectors are barred in India from foreign investment,and Scotch whisky carries a 150% import tax

 

[CricketCartoons]

So your people are on par with our mangoes. I am sure the Indians love being compared to a Chaunsa or an Anwar Ratol. This has to be worst justification for exporting people i have seen.

You have a knack of missing the obvious. I am only responsible for what I say, not what you understand.

 

[Robert]

First of all, only native whites can truly speak for Britain, not the brown subjects. Second, after the mess the UK has left wherever they have set foot, it is the least they can do to take in people from there. Not only Indians, they should take in more Pakistanis too. Ideally I would want them to take in the unskilled population, but if they take skilled labour, I won't mind that, as we have a surplus of highly intelligent and highly good looking Indians.

I think this is brown vs brown jealousy, as usually we browns have cockroach mentality, and once we have migrated to the white shores, we hate more people like us coming in. But I would like to talk to the proper whites, who are the true sons of the great Britannia.

If you are born in Britain and hold a British passport you truly speak for Britain. End of. To hell with nativism. It is a disgusting idea that sickens me to my core.

 

[CricketCartoons]

If you are born in Britain and hold a British passport you truly speak for Britain. End of. To hell with nativism. It is a disgusting idea that sickens me to my core.

Always respected you for your high principles, and people like you make Britain great. But your liberal values are misused by the racists and hindu-haters who claim they speak for Britain, but their tongue reveals the gutter level third world views, not the views people like you (native or not native) speak. They misuse the hospitality, the freedom and tolerance provided by people like you, only to use it to exhibit more of their racism and xenophobia.

 

[Yossarian]

First of all, only native whites can truly speak for Britain, not the brown subjects. Second, after the mess the UK has left wherever they have set foot, it is the least they can do to take in people from there. Not only Indians, they should take in more Pakistanis too. Ideally I would want them to take in the unskilled population, but if they take skilled labour, I won't mind that, as we have a surplus of highly intelligent and highly good looking Indians.

I think this is brown vs brown jealousy, as usually we browns have cockroach mentality, and once we have migrated to the white shores, we hate more people like us coming in. But I would like to talk to the proper whites, who are the true sons of the great Britannia.

I once asked you, in another thread about Saudi, if you had ever been even outside India, never mind Saudi or the the Middle East. You evaded the question other than saying you "have a friend ...". ie You haven't even been outside of India can be the only conclusion drawn drawn from your response.

And here you are now, not understanding the gist of the thread, not having a clue about the various different traits of UK society and politics, and being completely ignorant about the different factors that led to people voting Brexit. And you're now making childish comments like "only native whites can truly speak for Britain". Like it or lump it, we are British citizens and thus have a right to speak about matters affecting Britain.

Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, is not "white". He's of Pakistani origin. Do you think he doesn't speak for London, the capital of the UK?

Similarly, Sajid Javed is the UK government minister for Business, Innovation and Skills. He's also not "white". He's also of Pakistani origin. . Do you think he doesn't speak for Britain?

Priti Patel, the former government minister for International Development. She's not "white". She's of Indian origin. Do you think she wasn't speaking for Britain? .... wait .... I'll give you that one .... she was speaking for Israel. That's why she was forced to resign (effectively fired)

 

[CricketCartoons]

I once asked you, in another thread about Saudi, if you had ever been even outside India, never mind Saudi or the the Middle East. You evaded the question other than saying you "have a friend ...". ie You haven't even been outside of India can be the only conclusion drawn drawn from your response.

And here you are now, not understanding the gist of the thread, not having a clue about the various different traits of UK society and politics, and being completely ignorant about the different factors that led to people voting Brexit. And you're now making childish comments like "only native whites can truly speak for Britain". Like it or lump it, we are British citizens and thus have a right to speak about matters affecting Britain.

Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, is not "white". He's of Pakistani origin. Do you think he doesn't speak for London, the capital of the UK?

Similarly, Sajid Javed is the UK government minister for Business, Innovation and Skills. He's also not "white". He's also of Pakistani origin. . Do you think he doesn't speak for Britain?

Priti Patel, the former government minister for International Development. She's not "white". She's of Indian origin. Do you think she wasn't speaking for Britain? .... wait .... I'll give you that one .... she was speaking for Israel. That's why she was forced to resign (effectively fired)

Of course, all citizen, white or brown or black, have the right to speak. But I know the browns a bit too well to know where they are coming from. Only the racists, the hindu haters and the self brown haters would be against more Indians coming to UK. So pardon me, if I can see what they are, and don't see them representing people like Uncle Robert (who have given them the same rights and freedom, only to be misused to further their racism and bigotry).

 

[Bewal Express]

Of course, all citizen, white or brown or black, have the right to speak. But I know the browns a bit too well to know where they are coming from. Only the racists, the hindu haters and the self brown haters would be against more Indians coming to UK. So pardon me, if I can see what they are, and don't see them representing people like Uncle Robert (who have given them the same rights and freedom, only to be misused to further their racism and bigotry).

To your average white person, Ind and Pakistanis are the same; They are all brown. English people that dislike Pk's, wont like Indians either. I am not sure why we Need more Ind in the UK, why have enough unemployed Uni grads, what can the Inds do that we Brits cant do.

 

[Bewal Express]

You have a knack of missing the obvious. I am only responsible for what I say, not what you understand.

So you see your people as commodities and not people, we in Britain see people as people and not commodities. Modi want to sell you, but Britain doesnt need you.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Of course, all citizen, white or brown or black, have the right to speak. But I know the browns a bit too well to know where they are coming from. Only the racists, the hindu haters and the self brown haters would be against more Indians coming to UK. So pardon me, if I can see what they are, and don't see them representing people like Uncle Robert (who have given them the same rights and freedom, only to be misused to further their racism and bigotry).

If the native white folk want Indians flooding into Britain to take up homes and jobs, then no jealous Hindu hating brown folk can stop them. Even though Amir King Khan might have conquered the hearts of the nation's tv watchers, even he can't influence Theresa May to hold up her hand and reject Modi's appeals to take in more Indian immigrants.

We need to appeal to those who can liberate Britain from the insidious brown thought police, and it will take more partnerships like this one to turn the tide:

 

[CricketCartoons]

If the native white folk want Indians flooding into Britain to take up homes and jobs, then no jealous Hindu hating brown folk can stop them. Even though Amir King Khan might have conquered the hearts of the nation's tv watchers, even he can't influence Theresa May to hold up her hand and reject Modi's appeals to take in more Indian immigrants.

We need to appeal to those who can liberate Britain from the insidious brown thought police, and it will take more partnerships like this one to turn the tide:

I agree the hindu haters have no say in the country, and the real people running the show are still the natives. But on this forum I am facing the hindu haters, hence talking about them. On other fora, where I am in touch with Tommy Sir, we talk about supporting him and like minded natives in their quest to make Britain Great Again.

 

[hafeezrocks]

I agree the hindu haters have no say in the country, and the real people running the show are still the natives. But on this forum I am facing the hindu haters, hence talking about them. On other fora, where I am in touch with Tommy Sir, we talk about supporting him and like minded natives in their quest to make Britain Great Again.

Disgusting if you seriously support and respect Tommy Robinson.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Disgusting if you seriously support and respect Tommy Robinson.

I never see you express your disgust to the hindu haters, and they are a plenty.

 

[Bewal Express]

I agree the hindu haters have no say in the country, and the real people running the show are still the natives. But on this forum I am facing the hindu haters, hence talking about them. On other fora, where I am in touch with Tommy Sir, we talk about supporting him and like minded natives in their quest to make Britain Great Again.

In Touch with Tommy Sir, which century do live in?

 

[Bewal Express]

I agree the hindu haters have no say in the country, and the real people running the show are still the natives. But on this forum I am facing the hindu haters, hence talking about them. On other fora, where I am in touch with Tommy Sir, we talk about supporting him and like minded natives in their quest to make Britain Great Again.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eaten-to-torch-uk-cinemas-bollywood-padmavati. Tell this to Sir Tommy