India's inability to bank on young talent!

[ftbno1]

Their was once a a kid in Mumbai with great potential and he was given a go at the age of 16 in international cricket. He didn't set the world on fire but was persisted with and now we know him as SRT.
A few years forward we saw players emerging at very young age like Harbhajan,Yuvi,Kaif,Pathan, Rohit sharma,Kohli who were selected when they were teens on early 20s
Those were time when our selectors dared to do some out of box selection. After all if stats in domestic circuit is everything then we need computer analyst not selector.
In 2012 U19 WC their were two young batting stars from India and Pakistan. Unmukt Chand and BabarAzam ,look where both of them are nowdays.
Had Unmukt been given chance to play for his country after he scored that memorable hundred in finals I am sure things would have been different
Today Ise Shaheen shah Afridi play in green Colors which is great.
I just hope we don't waste our talents Shaw,Gill,Mavi,Nagarkoti.
Why the hell on eve of WC India is going back to old faces. Dhoni,DK(one innings don't change anything),Jadhav will have to make way for the younger lot.

 

[Asch Ali]

The question is what is the young XI that is going to replace them? And when?

 

[rhony]

I guess it has to do with team cultures. One favors consistency in domestics including IPL before blooding them into national teams while the other favors one hit wonders. It's worked well for both teams so I expect it to continue

 

[saintgrace]

Void.
Indian batting has stars and they can't be replaced easily. Babar azam found place but he might not get a chance that easily in current Indian batting line up. His current states are irrelevant in the scenario because he might not get a chance. Raina or DK would prefer

 

[ftbno1]

The question is what is the young XI that is going to replace them? And when?

Pant/KL Rahul/Sanju Samson in place Dhoni.
DK doesn't deserve a place purely as a batter in middle order. Sarfaraz Khan can be give a go.
Krunal Pandya is as if not more talented then his brother and demands consideration.
Karun Nair was left hung dry after he scored a 300.
I have heard that Khalil Ahmed is very good left arm paced who touches 150km/h
And these are tested players not counting U19 stars.

 

[srh]

May be India's younger talent is not as good as Pakistan's?

 

[Greenstorm]

Pant/KL Rahul/Sanju Samson in place Dhoni.
DK doesn't deserve a place purely as a batter in middle order. Sarfaraz Khan can be give a go.
Krunal Pandya is as if not more talented then his brother and demands consideration.
Karun Nair was left hung dry after he scored a 300.
I have heard that Khalil Ahmed is very good left arm paced who touches 150km/h
And these are tested players not counting U19 stars.

Really ?

 

[Greenstorm]

I have grown up watching great Indian batsmen like Tendulkar, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Ganguly, Dravid and I have to say that right now Indian batting line up is the weakest I have ever seen. Apart from Kohli and Dhawan, there is no batsman than can instill fear on opposition.

A lot of promising Indian batsmen have appeared at U19 level such as Umukt Chand, Sarfaraz Khan, Sanju Samson but why are they not playing at International level ? are they not good enough or they did not got chances to prove themselves ?

 

[rhony]

Really ?

No way in heck. I watched a few highlights on willow. It's 140

 

[rhony]

I have grown up watching great Indian batsmen like Tendulkar, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Ganguly, Dravid and I have to say that right now Indian batting line up is the weakest I have ever seen. Apart from Kohli and Dhawan, there is no batsman than can instill fear on opposition.

A lot of promising Indian batsmen have appeared at U19 level such as Umukt Chand, Sarfaraz Khan, Sanju Samson but why are they not playing at International level ? are they not good enough or they did not got chances to prove themselves ?

U19s have to play in domestics for a few years in India before they can be considered for an A team and then the Indian team. KL Rahul was a great prospect until he wasn't. The others seem hacks or domestic bullies

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Chand vs Babar in 2012 we all know who is ahead
Imam and Aslam vs Sarafraz Khan in 2014 again we all know
Shadab in 2016 ahead of the whole Indian squad in 2016 that made it to the finals
Afridi in 2018 ahead of Shaw and Gill


Pakistan has done an amazing job particularly Sarfaraz in choosing and nurturing the young guns.
India is wasting the amazing pool of talent that came in the recent U19 WCs sort of similar to what Pakistan did in 2004 and 2006 as well as 2010

 

[rhony]

Chand vs Babar in 2012 we all know who is ahead
Imam and Aslam vs Sarafraz Khan in 2014 again we all know
Shadab in 2016 ahead of the whole Indian squad in 2016 that made it to the finals
Afridi in 2018 ahead of Shaw and Gill


Pakistan has done an amazing job particularly Sarfaraz in choosing and nurturing the young guns.
India is wasting the amazing pool of talent that came in the recent U19 WCs sort of similar to what Pakistan did in 2004 and 2006 as well as 2010

General question - Did Hassan Ali come through U-19 system? He seemed to have popped out of nowhere.

 

[Napa]

Their was once a a kid in Mumbai with great potential and he was given a go at the age of 16 in international cricket. He didn't set the world on fire but was persisted with and now we know him as SRT.
A few years forward we saw players emerging at very young age like Harbhajan,Yuvi,Kaif,Pathan, Rohit sharma,Kohli who were selected when they were teens on early 20s
Those were time when our selectors dared to do some out of box selection. After all if stats in domestic circuit is everything then we need computer analyst not selector.
In 2012 U19 WC their were two young batting stars from India and Pakistan. Unmukt Chand and BabarAzam ,look where both of them are nowdays.
Had Unmukt been given chance to play for his country after he scored that memorable hundred in finals I am sure things would have been different
Today Ise Shaheen shah Afridi play in green Colors which is great.
I just hope we don't waste our talents Shaw,Gill,Mavi,Nagarkoti.
Why the hell on eve of WC India is going back to old faces. Dhoni,DK(one innings don't change anything),Jadhav will have to make way for the younger lot.

Stay in touch with reality, India is ranked #1 in both the two major cricket formats.

 

[ads101]

Very few teams are picking youngsters anymore. Too much video analysis, they get worked out easier as too inexperienced/weaknesses in their technique. Cricketers also play for longer than before. So makes sense to let them develop in domestic a bit longer before being picked.

Domestic and school cricket systems for many countries has improved, so that a lot of deficiencies and technique problems can be fixed before they set out foot in international cricket.

 

[Abhilash93]

“We have followed a pattern in our selection process. Each and every national contender is in the queue and we don’t believe that anyone can jump the queue."

This was the Chief Selectors justification for not giving Mayank Agarwal (had a stellar domestic season in all formats) a go in Nidahas trophy.

While an established system where a player performs for 2-3 years in domestic cricket, then needs to perform in A tours etc sounds good. But in practice, you need to have that flexibility to allow the obviously superior talents to get there quicker.

That is the reason bowlers like Siraj and Thakur end up in the national team because they have gone through the whole process though there may be better bowlers on the circuit who are newer.

So, selectors need to have that eye for talent coupled with performances at all levels instead of just a mechanical process for everybody. If this process was followed in the 90s, then Sachin would probably have debuted at 20 rather than 16.

 

[khiska]

but why would they need to? the XI currently playing have each performed and warrants a place, the don’t have a huge chink in their armour that requires some young guy to compensate

 

[Napa]

but why would they need to? the XI currently playing have each performed and warrants a place, the don’t have a huge chink in their armour that requires some young guy to compensate

Exactly! If India was doing poorly it would be right to say that we are not getting the "young talent" we need. However, as India is ranked #1 in Tests AND ODIs, such carping is not appropriate.

 

[HuzaifaE]

It's not a case of not investing at all, it's just a case of who catches the captain/coach/selector's eye as a worthy candidate for investment. Look at Panyda for example. Look at Rohit.

 

[WengerOut]

Khaleel Ahmed is another trundler it seems. Watched some clips from latest Deodhar trophy and he was bowling at 128-135 kmph.
[MENTION=140266]JattMaula[/MENTION] , feel free to chime in.

 

[JattMaula]

Khaleel Ahmed is another trundler it seems. Watched some clips from latest Deodhar trophy and he was bowling at 128-135 kmph.
[MENTION=140266]JattMaula[/MENTION] , feel free to chime in.

I guess you didn't read the long post I posted just for you in some other thread about that tournament.

He is faster than that but don't take my word for it. He is playing IPL this year.

 

[WengerOut]

I guess you didn't read the long post I posted just for you in some other thread about that tournament.

He is faster than that but don't take my word for it. He is playing IPL this year.

Yup. I remember that. But i dint think he was this slow. A 145 kmph bowler bowling 135-140 , we can understand. But 128-135 is trundler class.

 

[JattMaula]

Yup. I remember that. But i dint think he was this slow. A 145 kmph bowler bowling 135-140 , we can understand. But 128-135 is trundler class.

Umesh was bowling 135. He never bowls that speed even in third spell in tests. Don't know what happened.

 

[RamLakhan]

There are better stages now for youngsters to display their talent (IPL, Under-19, A tours, Ranji, Duleep, Vijay Hazare, etc, etc) All domestic cricket are highly competitive and extensive! So it is apt if any young cricketer (below 20) is watched thoroughly and given a consistent run before he is put into "ocean". Otherwise they may see a lot of heat if they play straight away at the top level and they may burn out and lose the confidence. Earlier decades this was not the case, because domestic cricket was not that competitive (or rather players were not taking it that seriously because of lack of coverage).

It is not that young talents emerged out like anything in the past. Somebody like Kambli could not make it as big as Sachin. People like Praveen Amre, Atul Bedade, etc, showed promise but could not live up to that. People like Sachin, Kohli, Yuvaraj, Dhoni are special talents.

Also at the same time there should be an open spot in the playing XI. Only then a new player can get into the team. During Dhoni's time there were no good wicket-keepers (relying on somebody like Rahul Dravid!) Now people like Rishab Pant have hard time getting into the side.

If Sachin had not made debut at such early age, then I am sure he would have not had that tennis elbow issue, so his peak would have lasted for few more years... So it is not about how early you blood them, but about how effective they play throughout... Australia employed this tactic (blooding matured players to national team) throughout 90s and had such a strong team! India is employing the same thing now...

 

[Rishta Aunty]

It's harder to get into a side that's ranked #1 in Tests and ODI's. Everyone will ask 'Why fix something that isn't broken.'

Same reason there were so many good players that didn't get into the Australian side when they had strong teams. The likes of Michael/David Hussey, George Bailey, Start Law and even Darren Lehmann to a large extent had to wait till their late 20's to get a look in.

Add in the subcontinental cricket culture of letting legends decide when they want to retire and you have a dangerous combination.

 

[Titan24]

Void.
Indian batting has stars and they can't be replaced easily. Babar azam found place but he might not get a chance that easily in current Indian batting line up. His current states are irrelevant in the scenario because he might not get a chance. Raina or DK would prefer

You are hyping Indian batting lineup too much, only Kohli avgs 50 plus and Dhoni is on last legs. Babar would have been a star in LOIs even in India. You dont have anybody equivalent of Babar in LOIs

 

[jnaveen1980]

I like the under-estimation of INdian team

 

[cricketjoshila]

India doesnt pick people out of thin air and play them in the team. Thats not how the system works here. You play in domestics and IPL and do well over seasons and you get a chance.

That system has worked for us.

 

[Sam99]

India doesnt pick people out of thin air and play them in the team. Thats not how the system works here. You play in domestics and IPL and do well over seasons and you get a chance.

That system has worked for us.

Yeah but cricketers already are of around 23 - 25 till then. They still have good 10 years of cricket in them but if you bank on 18-20 year players and then give them a long go then chances of them being next sachin or virat is high.

 

[jusarrived]

You are hyping Indian batting lineup too much, only Kohli avgs 50 plus and Dhoni is on last legs. Babar would have been a star in LOIs even in India. You dont have anybody equivalent of Babar in LOIs

Even I thought Babar would do well and has been supporting him from u19 days , but has been such a let down . This guy is going to cost a lot of matches for Pakistan for next 10 years .Star ? Thank god we dont have anyone like Babar in the team .

 

[jusarrived]

India doesnt pick people out of thin air and play them in the team. Thats not how the system works here. You play in domestics and IPL and do well over seasons and you get a chance.

That system has worked for us.

Generally its true , but have to admit we have been very bad at nurturing talent lately . Some of the players have been very badly handled

 

[IndianFan2018]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it !

 

[troodon]

We don't like to pick players out of the blue when they are raw and very young.

Selectors like trundlers who have been toiling in domestics and getting smashed black and blue.

If Nagarkoti or Mavi Or Gill or Shaw were Pakistani or West Indians or Lankans, they would have been at least in the A-Side and getting a lot of exposure. But instead, these guys will be toiling in domestics for the next couple of years.

For me, Shaw is international cricket ready. I have seen him play the likes of Umesh Yadav and Ishant very easily and he actually gave a good hammering to Ishant.

If Shaw was a Pakistani, he would have debuted for Pakistan already.

 

[ftbno1]

The question is what is the young XI that is going to replace them? And when?

I like the under-estimation of INdian team

It's not about underestimation but utter stupidity. I am in no doubt that Indian talent pool is among the best in the world. It's just we are too myopic to make brave choices.
Imagine how different the scenario would have been if chahal and kudeep had bowled instead of Ashwin and Jadeja.
A year from now we will be laming similarly if we stick with under performers like Dhoni,DK,Jadhav,rahane whose failures are swept under rag when team wins

 

[Abhilash93]

Khaleel Ahmed is another trundler it seems. Watched some clips from latest Deodhar trophy and he was bowling at 128-135 kmph.
[MENTION=140266]JattMaula[/MENTION] , feel free to chime in.

His fastest ball in domestic T20 tournament was 147 kph IIRC and he clocked upto 144 kph in Australia when he was there on an exchange program last year. Lets see, IPL will make things clearer.

Anyway, hes only 20.

 

[Gubol123]

Premise of this post is wrong and Ignorant. India is not a struggling team failing to find talent.. It is the number one team in ODI and tests and top three in T20Is even after the sending A team to their most recent tournament. They are doing fine.. India needs to find replacement for few slots in the coming years.. Since WC is only a year away and only few series left, Indian selectors are reluctant to fill the team with youngsters. India, traditionally bets on experience than youth.. Almost all players spend considerable amount of time in domestics and IPL before they make their Intl debut. The culture is totally different than Pak where you prefer to push youth faster into INtl team.. India is happy with whatever works for them and I am sure Pak is happy with their system..

 

[troodon]

Premise of this post is wrong and Ignorant. India is not a struggling team failing to find talent.. It is the number one team in ODI and tests and top three in T20Is even after the sending A team to their most recent tournament. They are doing fine.. India needs to find replacement for few slots in the coming years.. Since WC is only a year away and only few series left, Indian selectors are reluctant to fill the team with youngsters. India, traditionally bets on experience than youth.. Almost all players spend considerable amount of time in domestics and IPL before they make their Intl debut. The culture is totally different than Pak where you prefer to push youth faster into INtl team.. India is happy with whatever works for them and I am sure Pak is happy with their system..

Better to try out 1 or 2 more young batsman in middle order than rely on failures like Pandey, Jadhav, Iyer etc. These guys will definitely lose us the match if top 3 fail in a do or die match.

Kohli was very young in 2011. He still played some decent knocks in that WC. We should try 1 reliable youngster who can strike at 100 S/R and one more explosive hitter before WC.

I have no faith in Jadhav or Pandey or Iyer or DK.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah but cricketers already are of around 23 - 25 till then. They still have good 10 years of cricket in them but if you bank on 18-20 year players and then give them a long go then chances of them being next sachin or virat is high.

How many Sachins or Virats are there in the world? Sachin was a child prodigy who had scored a century in his debut matches in Ranji,Duleep and Deodhar trophy. Even he had to perform in domestics for a season or more to get into the team.

Virat had made his FC debut in 2006. 2 years before his ODI debut.

Rahul Dravid played for almost 6 years before he got his India chance

And these are once in a life time players. Think about lesser ones.

 

[Gubol123]

Better to try out 1 or 2 more young batsman in middle order than rely on failures like Pandey, Jadhav, Iyer etc. These guys will definitely lose us the match if top 3 fail in a do or die match.

Kohli was very young in 2011. He still played some decent knocks in that WC. We should try 1 reliable youngster who can strike at 100 S/R and one more explosive hitter before WC.

I have no faith in Jadhav or Pandey or Iyer or DK.

they will try out.. no doubt about it.. but it won't be full of youth as India prefers to go with experienced team for a big tournament.. Any player who gets introduced to team India has usually spent time in domestics. Exception to that is Sachin who was earmarked for greatness from his u13 years.. Other one who was fast tracked recently was Pandya and he has not really been a big hit, though he has done well.. Most of our great players spent considerable time in the domestics before they came to Intl, be it Rahul Dravid, Saurav, Virat, Laxman, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Zaheer, etc.. so i don't see them changing that any time in the future as it worked for India

There is no doubt they will want to try some but just not complete overhaul. Premise of the OP itself is wrong as there is no need for India to bank on young talent as almost all those who are playing are doing fine. May be couple of slots might be up for grabs but again India will look to fill it with experienced players there. That is just the way it works in India and i don't see it changing anytime. By the way it is same everywhere else.. Almost all teams expect good showing in domestics before the players is selected to play for Intls. Pak is an exception because of their pathetic FC structure where most feel the players will regress in FC rather than progress.. so it is a problem Pak has to fix not something the rest of the world has to fix

 

[ftbno1]

Premise of this post is wrong and Ignorant. India is not a struggling team failing to find talent.. It is the number one team in ODI and tests and top three in T20Is even after the sending A team to their most recent tournament. They are doing fine.. India needs to find replacement for few slots in the coming years.. Since WC is only a year away and only few series left, Indian selectors are reluctant to fill the team with youngsters. India, traditionally bets on experience than youth.. Almost all players spend considerable amount of time in domestics and IPL before they make their Intl debut. The culture is totally different than Pak where you prefer to push youth faster into INtl team.. India is happy with whatever works for them and I am sure Pak is happy with their system..

Where in my OP did I say Indian team is struggling.
I am just saying sometimes young talent has to be spotted and given a go which is job of selector.
India is no.1 but make no mistake it isn't unbeatable but it can be if it works on its loopholes. These loopholes cost us in last three ICC events where we were unable to win despite having ample talent.
These should exciting times looking at our talent pool and where we have gone forward. We have players which we used to fantasize about
Destructive wk batsmen-Samson, Pant
Fast bowling all-rounders : Pandya ,Nagarkoti, Vijay Shankar
Spin all rounders: Axar, Washington,Krunal,Rahul teotia,Jayant yadav
Mystery spinners:chahar, Kuldeep Yadav
Lower order gun batsmen: Sarfaraz Khan
Fast bowlers like khalil,Mavi, Pankaj Singh
Instead selectors are giving caps to shardul,unadkat etc.
Issue is not where we are issue is that we are wasting such immense talent.

P.S :Raina is an exception because we need a lower order bat in WC 2019 who can hit at 150+ strike rate in slog overs.

 

[IAJ]

The young talent will get a chance in IPL and if they perform there they will be picked. India have a strong team so you can not just jump into it just because you were u19 star.

 

[Rocket23]

You are hyping Indian batting lineup too much, only Kohli avgs 50 plus and Dhoni is on last legs. Babar would have been a star in LOIs even in India. You dont have anybody equivalent of Babar in LOIs

Yes a superstar who has made hundreds against wi and sl minnows teams



Such a great talent i must say.

 

[Gubol123]

Where in my OP did I say Indian team is struggling.
I am just saying sometimes young talent has to be spotted and given a go which is job of selector.
India is no.1 but make no mistake it isn't unbeatable but it can be if it works on its loopholes. These loopholes cost us in last three ICC events where we were unable to win despite having ample talent.
These should exciting times looking at our talent pool and where we have gone forward. We have players which we used to fantasize about
Destructive wk batsmen-Samson, Pant
Fast bowling all-rounders : Pandya ,Nagarkoti, Vijay Shankar
Spin all rounders: Axar, Washington,Krunal,Rahul teotia,Jayant yadav
Mystery spinners:chahar, Kuldeep Yadav
Lower order gun batsmen: Sarfaraz Khan
Fast bowlers like khalil,Mavi, Pankaj Singh
Instead selectors are giving caps to shardul,unadkat etc.
Issue is not where we are issue is that we are wasting such immense talent.

P.S :Raina is an exception because we need a lower order bat in WC 2019 who can hit at 150+ strike rate in slog overs.

WK batsman - Pant has been given a chance and Samson will get his
Fast bowling all rounders - two of the three have been provided their chances one has grabbed it and a mainstay, second one needs time and the third one is an u19 player yet to make a mark in FC.
Spin all rounder - all except Rahul has got their chances, Sundar is a new senstation, Axar is already first choice SLA for us. Jayant is a poor man's Ashwin
Mystery - what is mystory about them? both are mainstay now
Lower order bat - have you followed sarfarz career? he was strugglig in FC/ListA and IPL..you want him in Intl?
Fast bowler - Khali is on the radar, Mavi yet to impress in FC and Pankaj has bee given chances and looked mediocre

So in the list you have produced only Khalil and may be Samson needs a look. all others have either been tried out or just out of U19 WC and needs to play atleast one year of FC. I hope you don't think someone from U19 will just walk into INtl cricket? after all the heroics in U19 Gill is yet to do anything major after the event..

 

[Gubol123]

The young talent will get a chance in IPL and if they perform there they will be picked. India have a strong team so you can not just jump into it just because you were u19 star.

Indian selectors wait to see how it goes in FC. Lots of stars in IPL hardly get their chances. Look at Krunal Pandya, even after doing well in two IPLs and being Hardik's brother, and thus getting all the attention, is yet to play for India. Indian selectors are more conservative and have been that way always. You can't find fault with them when the team they selected is No 1 in ODI/Test and top three in T20. India is the only team that has stayed in top three in all format consistently. So whatever approach Indian selectors have adopted working for them.

And Indian approach is not very different for any top other nation playing the game. Aus/Eng/SA/NZ all of them value their domestics performance and reward players based on that performance. They don't pick players randomly. It used to work for Pak as their FC structure is not so great and whoever gets picked used to get their grooming done in the best professional setup that was available that time, the county setup. Even now Pak pick players young because they feel the players will regress in FC rather than improve. Some day when Pak gets around fixing their FC structure they will start putting more value on the domestic performance and pick player accordingly. Until then they will prefer to pick youngsters and put them in the only professional setup they have, their national team (and PSL recently)

 

[BreadPakoda]

Not sure if it is a good selection strategy if Shardul, Unadkat, and others are getting picked.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Bumrah, Pandya, Axar, Siraj are 24
Kuldeep and Shreyas Iyer are 23
Risabh Pant is 20
Washington Sundar is 18
Deepak Hooda (yet to be in 11) is 22

Avg age of our test side is around 27-28, ODI and T20 side around 25. That is fairly young. Dhoni is a misfit but

The feeding line has been clear for last couple of years - domestic/IPL/U-19, , India A, endorsement from Dravid, on the fringes of national team and then a chance in India 11. This system is working well. Why do we need to change this?

 

[Gubol123]

Not sure if it is a good selection strategy if Shardul, Unadkat, and others are getting picked.

the same strategy also picked, sundar, chahal, kuldeep, Bumrah, Pandya, etc. Some will click but most will fail just like every other country. England has been looking for a No 3 and 5 batsman for nearly 4 years now. Aus has been looking to get a reliable partner for Warner, No 5 and 6 for years now. There are only 11 spots..

 

[IAJ]

Indian selectors wait to see how it goes in FC. Lots of stars in IPL hardly get their chances. Look at Krunal Pandya, even after doing well in two IPLs and being Hardik's brother, and thus getting all the attention, is yet to play for India. Indian selectors are more conservative and have been that way always. You can't find fault with them when the team they selected is No 1 in ODI/Test and top three in T20. India is the only team that has stayed in top three in all format consistently. So whatever approach Indian selectors have adopted working for them.

And Indian approach is not very different for any top other nation playing the game. Aus/Eng/SA/NZ all of them value their domestics performance and reward players based on that performance. They don't pick players randomly. It used to work for Pak as their FC structure is not so great and whoever gets picked used to get their grooming done in the best professional setup that was available that time, the county setup. Even now Pak pick players young because they feel the players will regress in FC rather than improve. Some day when Pak gets around fixing their FC structure they will start putting more value on the domestic performance and pick player accordingly. Until then they will prefer to pick youngsters and put them in the only professional setup they have, their national team (and PSL recently)

Very good post

 

[cricketworm]

People need to start accepting facts that not all will make it to International XI. And IPL has created a space for everyone to breath.

India still plays lots of domestic games, IPL, ODis, T20i and tests. Youngsters playing domestic games still make decent living. What change I have seen from past is that India is picking players who are inform and 'special' - X-factor players ie. Chahal, Kuldeep and Bumrah.

And another thing I have noticed that there will be only enough chances given in playing Xi, Kohli is not too rigid with certain type of selection, he has a record of not choosing the same xi, for test after test. I know I know Rohit is an exception. But as [MENTION=45053]cricketindiafan[/MENTION] mentions this is still pretty young side.

 

[Gubol123]

People need to start accepting facts that not all will make it to International XI. And IPL has created a space for everyone to breath.

India still plays lots of domestic games, IPL, ODis, T20i and tests. Youngsters playing domestic games still make decent living. What change I have seen from past is that India is picking players who are inform and 'special' - X-factor players ie. Chahal, Kuldeep and Bumrah.

And another thing I have noticed that there will be only enough chances given in playing Xi, Kohli is not too rigid with certain type of selection, he has a record of not choosing the same xi, for test after test. I know I know Rohit is an exception. But as [MENTION=45053]cricketindiafan[/MENTION] mentions this is still pretty young side.

they can actually make much better than decent living even if they are fringe IPL players.. Cricket is a viable career if someone wants to pursue it and willing to put in the hard work

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Why would they need to rely on young talent when they have the system to produce developed players?

 

[khiska]

All this comparison talk of Pakistan and India in the same breath, along with PSL and IPL in the same breath is going to lead nowhere. We have seen our selectors, ex players talk about the abysmal state of our domestic cricket and hence PSL provides a good platform for not just selectors but fans to observe players. We need to accept that there is a Pakistani way of bringing about talent. India or Australia for that matter have a well established FC structure be it Ranjhi or Sheffield Shield which is followed by the selectors and local coaches and that along with other domestic tournaments proves to be the breeding ground.

We cant just keep saying stuff like Babar, Talat, Ashraf are a product of PSL and all other countries need to follow the same template. I have been observing one thing about India, when they introduce a new player he is cushioned by senior players who each know and perform withing their role, this allows the player to integrate and adapt to the rigors of international cricket, compare that to the one example that comes to mind of Umar Akmal when he played either his first or one ofhis earlier series in New Zealand (with the green lips) where fans kept saying "koi nahi abhi Umar baaki hai" which adds to a lot of pressure - some rise above and some sink sadly

I guess in summary all I am saying is to each their own, we need to find what works for us and produce the best possible XI and need to stop making ridiculous statements suggesting others are behind because they dont follow our template, for going by that theory pretty soon a new thread will pop "Pakistan best due to foreign coach, India needs to replace local coach if they want to taste success"

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

India doesnt pick people out of thin air and play them in the team. Thats not how the system works here. You play in domestics and IPL and do well over seasons and you get a chance.

That system has worked for us.

Not really

India picked Sharma and Kohli at a very early age

Same goes for Yuvi,Kaif,Bhajji

That system worked for you guys and produced many good cricketers

The current Indian squad main players apart from Dhobi are from the U19 batches of late 2000s

India is completely wasting it's post 2010 U19 talent by playing them so late.

We could name very few quality cricketers from India who came after Kohli.

Bumrah being one of the few.


This new system is destroying your cricket.

 

[barah_admi]

It would be interesting to see the average age of debutants for India (cross format) this decade, compared to Pakistan. I.e. the time period in which Tendulkar, Dravid, Harby, Laxman and co slowly and painfully faded from the top 11.

 

[khiska]

Not really

India picked Sharma and Kohli at a very early age

Same goes for Yuvi,Kaif,Bhajji

That system worked for you guys and produced many good cricketers

The current Indian squad main players apart from Dhobi are from the U19 batches of late 2000s

India is completely wasting it's post 2010 U19 talent by playing them so late.

We could name very few quality cricketers from India who came after Kohli.

Bumrah being one of the few.


This new system is destroying your cricket.

Bud how is the new system destroying cricket? They play limited internationals, only a squad of 15 can be a part of an international series, remaining talented folks are able to showcase their skills in IPL and Ranjhi which is followed a fair bit. Not like India is in dire straights where they are not in the top of rankings or are concerned about a particular facet of their game

 

[Dingolfy]

Indian selectors wait to see how it goes in FC. Lots of stars in IPL hardly get their chances. Look at Krunal Pandya, even after doing well in two IPLs and being Hardik's brother, and thus getting all the attention, is yet to play for India. Indian selectors are more conservative and have been that way always. You can't find fault with them when the team they selected is No 1 in ODI/Test and top three in T20. India is the only team that has stayed in top three in all format consistently. So whatever approach Indian selectors have adopted working for them.

And Indian approach is not very different for any top other nation playing the game. Aus/Eng/SA/NZ all of them value their domestics performance and reward players based on that performance. They don't pick players randomly. It used to work for Pak as their FC structure is not so great and whoever gets picked used to get their grooming done in the best professional setup that was available that time, the county setup. Even now Pak pick players young because they feel the players will regress in FC rather than improve. Some day when Pak gets around fixing their FC structure they will start putting more value on the domestic performance and pick player accordingly. Until then they will prefer to pick youngsters and put them in the only professional setup they have, their national team (and PSL recently)

BCCI doesnt take T20s seriously outside IPL and I dont think krunal Pandya's List -A record is anything to boast about.If ODIs were as easy T20,Windies would be winning a lot of them.

 

[Dingolfy]

Not really

India picked Sharma and Kohli at a very early age

Same goes for Yuvi,Kaif,Bhajji

That system worked for you guys and produced many good cricketers

The current Indian squad main players apart from Dhobi are from the U19 batches of late 2000s

India is completely wasting it's post 2010 U19 talent by playing them so late.

We could name very few quality cricketers from India who came after Kohli.

Bumrah being one of the few.


This new system is destroying your cricket.

How? We are No:1 in two formats.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

How? We are No:1 in two formats.

this is because of the u19 batches of late 2010s

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Bud how is the new system destroying cricket? They play limited internationals, only a squad of 15 can be a part of an international series, remaining talented folks are able to showcase their skills in IPL and Ranjhi which is followed a fair bit. Not like India is in dire straights where they are not in the top of rankings or are concerned about a particular facet of their game

Yes but if players like Rahane,Jadhav and Kartik are selected ahead of deserving youngsters no matter how good they perform in domestic then India would become like England in a few more years where players would retire after just 5 to 10 years in international cricket since most players make their debut after 25 years of age due to the slow system.

Same happened to Australia now see where they stand.

 

[Gubol123]

Yes but if players like Rahane,Jadhav and Kartik are selected ahead of deserving youngsters no matter how good they perform in domestic then India would become like England in a few more years where players would retire after just 5 to 10 years in international cricket since most players make their debut after 25 years of age due to the slow system.

Same happened to Australia now see where they stand.

Rahane, Jadhav and Kartik are there because they have performed domestically.. Jadhav has one of hte best List a records in India. Kartik has been performing consistently and has never got a long run due to Dhoni and Rahane is being tried for a specific role..

 

[Syed1]

Indians acting as if their team is the greatest to ever play the play..... let me remind them they haven't won a world tournament since 2013.... that is FIVE long years...... quite a drought for the greatest team ever

 

[babajee]

Indians acting as if their team is the greatest to ever play the play..... let me remind them they haven't won a world tournament since 2013.... that is FIVE long years...... quite a drought for the greatest team ever

No everything is okay because they have Number #1 ranking )

 

[Gubol123]

Indians acting as if their team is the greatest to ever play the play..... let me remind them they haven't won a world tournament since 2013.... that is FIVE long years...... quite a drought for the greatest team ever

In last five years India has reached three global tournament finals won one and lost two. They have been to the final of both the LOI formats and held on to number one in the third format for two years. Come back when your team does that in future. You are holding one ICC cup in one format. Now try reaching final of another one in a different format and get to number one tag in the third format and hold on to it for two years. Despite your hate and jealousy India have been the most successful team in the last five years and the gap between India and other SC teams has never been this big. These are facts irrespective of where you put your goal posts. And my comment about gap will hold true in most areas of development. Take my advice and buy burnol in bulk. You will need it for years to come

 

[Syed1]

In last five years India has reached three global tournament finals won one and lost two. They have been to the final of both the LOI formats and held on to number one in the third format for two years. Come back when your team does that in future. You are holding one ICC cup in one format. Now try reaching final of another one in a different format and get to number one tag in the third format and hold on to it for two years. Despite your hate and jealousy India have been the most successful team in the last five years and the gap between India and other SC teams has never been this big. These are facts irrespective of where you put your goal posts. And my comment about gap will hold true in most areas of development. Take my advice and buy burnol in bulk. You will need it for years to come

5 years from now nobody would remember who reached what final and rankings are transient, heck do we care who was ranked number one ODI side in 1980s, 1990s?

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Pant/KL Rahul/Sanju Samson in place Dhoni.
DK doesn't deserve a place purely as a batter in middle order. Sarfaraz Khan can be give a go.
Krunal Pandya is as if not more talented then his brother and demands consideration.
Karun Nair was left hung dry after he scored a 300.
I have heard that Khalil Ahmed is very good left arm paced who touches 150km/h
And these are tested players not counting U19 stars.

I swear I will give you Geeli Pappi if he hits 150 even once