INS Vikrant launched & shield design on Indian Navy's new ensign inspired by Shivaji Maharaj

[MenInG]

Why did it take so long to change this and what's the significance of this change?

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The Indian Navy today switched to a new ensign at the launch of the country's first homemade aircraft carrier INS Vikrant. One of the design elements honours Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj, the founder of the Maratha kingdom who had a naval fleet.

Here are the five latest facts on Indian Navy's new ensign

The new ensign has the national flag on the upper canton. A blue octagonal shape with the national emblem sits atop an anchor, superimposed on a shield with the navy's motto.

"The octagonal shape with twin golden borders draws inspiration from the seal of the great Indian emperor, Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj, whose visionary maritime outlook established a credible naval fleet," the navy said in video showcasing the new ensign.

Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj's fleet comprised "60 fighting ships and approximately 5,000 men. The rising Maratha naval power during Shivaji Maharaj's period was the first to secure the coastline against external aggression," the navy said in the video.

The navy said the blue octagonal shape represents the eight directions symbolising the Indian Navy's multidirectional reach and multidimensional operational capability. The anchor symbol represents "steadfastness", the navy said.

"Till today the Indian naval flags carried a sign of slavery, which has been replaced with a new one inspired by Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj," Prime Minister Narendra Modi said, before he commissioned INS Vikrant. The old ensign had the red Saint George's Cross, linked to India's colonial past.

NDTV

 

[Junaids]

Very impressive except for the fact that its fighters are MiG-29’s!

Really, any self-respecting Air Force should have air superiority against them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This was changed in 2001 by ABV. But Sonia Gandhi sarkar reintroduced the St.George cross in 2004. Again removed today.

Somehow the congress and the nehru dynasty wants to keep colonial relics alive.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Very impressive except for the fact that its fighters are MiG-29’s!

Really, any self-respecting Air Force should have air superiority against them.

Mig 29Ks are very impressive. A lot of performance of Russian equipment depends on how much you spend on maintenance.

Anyways, Order for a 27 FA 18 are on the way.

 

[Junaids]

Mig 29Ks are very impressive. A lot of performance of Russian equipment depends on how much you spend on maintenance.

Anyways, Order for a 27 FA 18 are on the way.

I take my hat off to India.

China would give their eye teeth for such a carrier.

And we in the UK would love to have some fixed wing aircraft on our carriers!

I rate the Indian Navy at number 4 in the world behind the US, UK and France. Certainly ahead of China and Russia.

 

[Varun]

Mig 29Ks are very impressive. A lot of performance of Russian equipment depends on how much you spend on maintenance.

Anyways, Order for a 27 FA 18 are on the way.

Myth.

Our navy has a big mouth, just not as much as our air force. In an era where China will launch a carrier every other year going forward, we will spend over 2 decades to make one retro example that is past its sell-by date even before it has begun to set sail.

I mean for starters, is a nuclear powered carrier made in 2022 asking for too much?

 

[Romali_rotti]

I mean for starters, is a nuclear powered carrier made in 2022 asking for too much?

Yes it is..

From an Indian perspective, they do not have the technology for the nuclear reactor for an air craft carrier, only the Americans do. The American nuke carriers do not need fuel for the next 50-60 years. Asking Indians to develop this tech is beyond its capability as of now despite all the brilliant scientists and engineers they possess.

A big achievement as far as Indians are concerned, would be their own home made 100-110 kn fighter jet engine. Currently Indians have only achieved 80 kn on their own...

 

[cricketjoshila]

Myth.

Our navy has a big mouth, just not as much as our air force. In an era where China will launch a carrier every other year going forward, we will spend over 2 decades to make one retro example that is past its sell-by date even before it has begun to set sail.

I mean for starters, is a nuclear powered carrier made in 2022 asking for too much?

What myth? The trials of FA 18 were completed 1 week or 10 days back.

Why do we need a nuclear power carrier? Our needs do not require us to have one. Though i would like to have a third carrier.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I take my hat off to India.

China would give their eye teeth for such a carrier.

And we in the UK would love to have some fixed wing aircraft on our carriers!

I rate the Indian Navy at number 4 in the world behind the US, UK and France. Certainly ahead of China and Russia.

UK doesn't have fixed wing fighters on its 2 new carriers?

 

[cpleigh]

UK doesn't have fixed wing fighters on its 2 new carriers?

Typhoons and f-35s. With the new 6th gen tempest due to replace the typhoon in 2035

 

[Junaids]

UK doesn't have fixed wing fighters on its 2 new carriers?

Nope.

We have F35Bs on order, but budget cuts mean that we don't have any of our own fixed wing aircraft on board yet.

Unbelievable but true!

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Lol Indians insistence to make Shivaji as some great Indian king is funny. In the grander scheme his contribution to india is negligible

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nope.

We have F35Bs on order, but budget cuts mean that we don't have any of our own fixed wing aircraft on board yet.

Unbelievable but true!

Typhoons don't have a carrier version? Strange indeed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol Indians insistence to make Shivaji as some great Indian king is funny. In the grander scheme his contribution to india is negligible

Whether his contribution to India is negligible or great, is something Indians will decide. No?

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Whether his contribution to India is negligible or great, is something Indians will decide. No?

True and that’s why I didn’t say they shouldn’t. I just find this observation interesting

 

[Junaids]

Typhoons don't have a carrier version? Strange indeed.

Sometimes the Queen Elizabeth has American F35s on board and a couple of times a handful of British F35’s have been embarked.

There will be F35Bs on board almost all the time in the near future.

 

[Varun]

Lol Indians insistence to make Shivaji as some great Indian king is funny. In the grander scheme his contribution to india is negligible

To be fair to the guy - he did command a formidable navy that went toe to toe against the powerful Portuguese navy in Goa, and brought the Andaman & Nicobar islands within the sphere of Indian influence.

 

[the Great Khan]

I take my hat off to India.

China would give their eye teeth for such a carrier.

And we in the UK would love to have some fixed wing aircraft on our carriers!

I rate the Indian Navy at number 4 in the world behind the US, UK and France. Certainly ahead of China and Russia.

Why do you say that? The carrier was supposed to have been configured for the carrier based rapha but can barely transport the FA18..

Could you qualify your comment with regards Chins giving its teeth etc..

 

[the Great Khan]

Typhoons don't have a carrier version? Strange indeed.

Yup..don't come with a version with foldable wings or different engine..primary focus was air superiority..Spain and the uk at the time had fa18's and harriers.

French Rapha has carrier version offered to India but the carrier isn't configured for it..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why do you say that? The carrier was supposed to have been configured for the carrier based rapha but can barely transport the FA18..

Could you qualify your comment with regards Chins giving its teeth etc..

FYI, both the Rafale and the FA18 have been trialed for the Ins Vikrant. FA 18 is likely to win because its a more mature platform and perhaps the best carrier based fighter after the F35B.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Why do you say that? The carrier was supposed to have been configured for the carrier based rapha but can barely transport the FA18..

Could you qualify your comment with regards Chins giving its teeth etc..

Recently, the navy carried out trials with the Dassault Rafale M, which is a French-made 4.5 gen fighter jet already in service with the IAF and also US-made Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, to check the operational capabilities of these jets on aircraft carriers. Both the jets get Air Force as well as Naval versions and successfully completed their trials in Goa.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Floating city: Here are the main features of INS Vikrant

The vessel - 262m (860ft) long and almost 60m (197ft) tall - is the first aircraft carrier India has designed and built on its own. It has the capacity to hold 30 fighter planes and helicopters.

Vikrant carries a mix of about 30 aircraft. It could fly the MiG 29k fighter aircraft in anti-air, anti-surface and land attack roles. It will be able to operate the Kamov 31 which is an early air warning helicopter, the recently inducted but yet-to-be commissioned multi-role helicopter MH-60R, and the indigenous ALH.

The ship has a large number of indigenous equipment and machinery, involving major industrial houses in the country viz. BEL, BHEL, GRSE , Keltron, Kirloskar, Larsen & Toubro, Wartsila India.

Vikrant consists of 14 decks with 2,300 compartments which can carry around 1,500 sea warriors and to cater to their food requirements.

The ship is powered by four Gas Turbines totalling 88 MW power and has a maximum speed of 28 knots.

Overall it cost Rs 20,000 crores to build. The project has been progressed in three phases of the contract between MoD and CSL.


With an overall indigenous content of 76 per cent, Vikrant has been built with a high degree of automation for machinery operation, ship navigation and survivability, and has been designed to accommodate an assortment of fixed-wing and rotary aircraft.

Using a novel aircraft-operation mode known as STOBAR (Short Take-Off but Arrested Landing), the carrier is equipped with a ski- jump for launching aircraft, and a set of 'arrester wires' for their recovery onboard.

The indigenization efforts have also led to the development of ancillary industries, besides the generation of employment opportunities, both locally as well as pan-India.

The ship also has a 16-bed hospital, two operating theatres and intensive care units.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/new-updates/floating-city-here-are-the-main-features-of-ins-vikrant/articleshow/93943094.cms

 

[Varun]

FYI, both the Rafale and the FA18 have been trialed for the Ins Vikrant. FA 18 is likely to win because its a more mature platform and perhaps the best carrier based fighter after the F35B.

The F/A-18 cannot fit in the elevators of this carrier. Boeing tried to make a tilted design but this fell through.

The IN has enough MiG-29Ks for both carriers (Vikramaditya, Vikrant) and shore based operations. In fact - some of these birds were sent to Ladakh recently to supplement the IAF - this is proof of the excess inventory.

Any talk or notion of the IAF/IN picking up US fighters will always be just that - talk.

 

[Varun]

The IN has enough MiG-29Ks for both carriers (Vikramaditya, Vikrant) and shore based operations. In fact - some of these birds were sent to Ladakh recently to supplement the IAF - this is proof of the excess inventory.

Just a little qualifier to this - it is contingent on our sloths to not go crashing them at a rate of once a year or more. Already they have crashed 3 - Nov 2019, Feb 2020 and Nov 2020.

 

[Sidilicious]

This was changed in 2001 by ABV. But Sonia Gandhi sarkar reintroduced the St.George cross in 2004. Again removed today.

Somehow the congress and the nehru dynasty wants to keep colonial relics alive.

Please do your research. You are providing a very false narrative.

The reintroduction of the st. Georges cross in 2004 was done by the Vajpayee government and not the manmohan Singh government. The flag was changed on the 25th of April and the central elections were over only on the 10th of May.

Your narrative here is very misleading and blatantly blaming Congress govt for the actions of the BJP.

 

[khadoos]

Please do your research. You are providing a very false narrative.

The reintroduction of the st. Georges cross in 2004 was done by the Vajpayee government and not the manmohan Singh government. The flag was changed on the 25th of April and the central elections were over only on the 10th of May.

Your narrative here is very misleading and blatantly blaming Congress govt for the actions of the BJP.

Thank you for pointing out the various lies peddled by the BJP supporters.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Please do your research. You are providing a very false narrative.

The reintroduction of the st. Georges cross in 2004 was done by the Vajpayee government and not the manmohan Singh government. The flag was changed on the 25th of April and the central elections were over only on the 10th of May.

Your narrative here is very misleading and blatantly blaming Congress govt for the actions of the BJP.

Incorrect.

The change took place on 15th August 2004. The forces though had requested and approved a change on 30th April.

If you are unaware, once the model code of conduct is imposed, existing government cannot take such administrative decisions.

Hence the change took place on 15th August under UPA government. Despite the forces having approved it in April.

And your narrative of painting Hindus and the Indian government in negative propoganda has been exposed many a times. I thank the gods that we don't allow foreigners of Indian origin to vote in our elections.

 

[Sidilicious]

Incorrect.

The change took place on 15th August 2004. The forces though had requested and approved a change on 30th April.

If you are unaware, once the model code of conduct is imposed, existing government cannot take such administrative decisions.

Hence the change took place on 15th August under UPA government. Despite the forces having approved it in April.

And your narrative of painting Hindus and the Indian government in negative propoganda has been exposed many a times. I thank the gods that we don't allow foreigners of Indian origin to vote in our elections.

Nonsense. https://web.archive.org/web/20220909133223/http://www.hubert-herald.nl/BhaBharat2.htm

The ensign was clearly changed before the Congress came into power. This and any other link clearly states that the ensign with the St. George’s Cross was adopted on the 25th April.

Even if we assume that your assertion is correct that the ensign was only approved by the Vajpayee government, then why peddling the lies about Congress government enforcing it?

And finally, please show where I painted Hindus in a negative light, and it was a blatant lie?

 

[MP2011]

Nonsense. https://web.archive.org/web/20220909133223/http://www.hubert-herald.nl/BhaBharat2.htm

The ensign was clearly changed before the Congress came into power. This and any other link clearly states that the ensign with the St. George’s Cross was adopted on the 25th April.

Even if we assume that your assertion is correct that the ensign was only approved by the Vajpayee government, then why peddling the lies about Congress government enforcing it?

And finally, please show where I painted Hindus in a negative light, and it was a blatant lie?

Andhbhakts think that they've taken theka of all hindus. If some hindus like us dare to deviate from sanghis' line of thinking, then they are not hindus.

 

[MP2011]

Thank you for pointing out the various lies peddled by the BJP supporters.

They've learnt the art of lying from the best in business.

 

[MP2011]

As for this instance, feku has made a career out of speaking blatant lies about Nehru and his successors. His bhakts are no different from him in speaking lies.

 

[Sidilicious]

Andhbhakts think that they've taken theka of all hindus. If some hindus like us dare to deviate from sanghis' line of thinking, then they are not hindus.

Very true. As I said in another thread, soon, there will be good Hindus and bad Hindus.

Also, likh lo. A few more years of Feku, gandhiji Will be taken out of the currency.

Today, I went to a comedy standup with multiple comedians in Mumbai. One of the comedians was Anirban Dasgupta. He had a very interesting observation - earlier, india used to have 2 religions. Cricket and Bollywood. Now, the religions are Hindus and beware of the Hindus.

 

[Sidilicious]

As for this instance, feku has made a career out of speaking blatant lies about Nehru and his successors. His bhakts are no different from him in speaking lies.

I have a lot of respect for CJ. He is passionate for his country and wants the best for india. I really respect that.

Obviously, I don’t agree with his methods. So, I will chalk it down to lack of knowledge rather than lies.

But feku is on another level.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Very true. As I said in another thread, soon, there will be good Hindus and bad Hindus.

Also, likh lo. A few more years of Feku, gandhiji Will be taken out of the currency.

Today, I went to a comedy standup with multiple comedians in Mumbai. One of the comedians was Anirban Dasgupta. He had a very interesting observation - earlier, india used to have 2 religions. Cricket and Bollywood. Now, the religions are Hindus and beware of the Hindus.

Why is that so? Its because for long one religion was the soft target of one and all.

For eg., Ratnapathak Shah called Karwa Chauth regressive while being silent on patriarchal practices in other religions. We have stand-up comedians who crack jokes only on hindu gods as they know what will happen if they do the same on other religions. Bollywood stars come out preaching during holi and diwali about water and pollution but not one says anything about bakrid especially PETA brand ambassadors like Shilpa Shetty and John Abraham. On the other hand the same stars dance in rain songs or light crackers during diwali (Sonam Kapoor), new year and during their weddings. Some double standards this.

I dont mind replacing Gandhi n currency with someone or something else.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nonsense. https://web.archive.org/web/20220909133223/http://www.hubert-herald.nl/BhaBharat2.htm

The ensign was clearly changed before the Congress came into power. This and any other link clearly states that the ensign with the St. George’s Cross was adopted on the 25th April.

Even if we assume that your assertion is correct that the ensign was only approved by the Vajpayee government, then why peddling the lies about Congress government enforcing it?

And finally, please show where I painted Hindus in a negative light, and it was a blatant lie?

It was adopted by the forces on 25th April. Thats absolutely correct.

But it was unveiled on 15th August 2004.

Some reports suggest that there was a program to unveil it earlier by the then President Dr Abdul Kalam in April but it was delayed.

Hence the actual unveiling happened in August 2014.

This is the reason why various journalists including military specialists like Shiv Aroor also said that the Ensign was changed during Congress regime.

The St.Michaels church incident thread.

The OP ran away the moment the truth came out.

 

[MenInG]

Andhbhakts think that they've taken theka of all hindus. If some hindus like us dare to deviate from sanghis' line of thinking, then they are not hindus.

Bro - please cut out use of this term in every other post.

Lets keep it civil - Thanks

 

[cricketjoshila]

Very true. As I said in another thread, soon, there will be good Hindus and bad Hindus.

Also, likh lo. A few more years of Feku, gandhiji Will be taken out of the currency.

Today, I went to a comedy standup with multiple comedians in Mumbai. One of the comedians was Anirban Dasgupta. He had a very interesting observation - earlier, india used to have 2 religions. Cricket and Bollywood. Now, the religions are Hindus and beware of the Hindus.

What is this good hindu? One who rolls over on the streets to be the carpet for non Hindus?

What is a bad Hindu? A hindu who fights for his rights?

If these comedians think their twisted jokes about Hindus are comic then they are mistaken. I wonder what would happen if he made this comment about other religions?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why is that so? Its because for long one religion was the soft target of one and all.

For eg., Ratnapathak Shah called Karwa Chauth regressive while being silent on patriarchal practices in other religions. We have stand-up comedians who crack jokes only on hindu gods as they know what will happen if they do the same on other religions. Bollywood stars come out preaching during holi and diwali about water and pollution but not one says anything about bakrid especially PETA brand ambassadors like Shilpa Shetty and John Abraham. On the other hand the same stars dance in rain songs or light crackers during diwali (Sonam Kapoor), new year and during their weddings. Some double standards this.

I dont mind replacing Gandhi n currency with someone or something else.

PETA activists once tried to promote vegetarianism during Bakrid.

This happened.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...d-in-bhopal-ahead-of-bakrid-293844-2014-09-22

Since then. They disappear during Bakrid.

These western NGOs and their agents have one job, attack hindu religion, their rituals and culture. Finish it off.

You would be surprised that certain countries raised objections because Indian government restricted flow of money from foreign countries to NGOs in India.

Why are these countries so interested funding NGOs in India? What's the agenda?


Why is Gandhi more important than Netaji or Bhagat Singh or Rani Laxmi Bai? I don't think he is.