Investment in J&K vs Azad Kashmir

[bala977]

Not a chest thump thread but something to highlight a key risk

https://www.wionews.com/india-news/india-jammu-and-kashmirs-budget-twice-the-size-of-pakistans-imf-bailout-request-578174

Key points to note
- Whilst in terms of population, J&K has 3 times as many people as POK (13 million vs 4 million), the investment in J&K is approximately a whopping 25 times more than POK ($14 billion vs $ 600 million)
- Indian investment in J&K growing YoY whilst investment in POK has been reducing

The perennial low investment in POK seems to have resulted in sky high unemployment rates based on what I can see. Assume it is safe to say that Pak needs to pay attention to the thousands of youth in its territory who are unemployed / underemployed to make sure they do not turn away from Law.

Is this even on Pak govt radar?

 

[saeedhk]

Pakistan cares about every other country than its own. To answer your questions - no! This is not on Pak govt's radar. They rather badmouth India, Israel and Burma than to feed their own citizen who are dying in food queues.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Pakistan cares about every other country than its own. To answer your questions - no! This is not on Pak govt's radar. They rather badmouth India, Israel and Burma than to feed their own citizen who are dying in food queues.

If you're Pakistani then I'm sorry for your lack of belonging

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

India needs to do this so that folks in Jammu get used to normal comforts and luxuries available elsewhere and it deviates their core agenda towards life. On the other hand, Pak economy is currently not good hence it's expected that things there are not rosy!

 

[Romali_rotti]

On the other hand, Pak economy is currently not good hence it's expected that things there are not rosy!

Pakistan hasn't had a good economy in a long time, maybe in the 70's or late 80's.

Currently Pakistan has no economy, a big whopping zero.

In 10 more years POK will be wanting to join India after seeing the economic develop in Indian Kashmir.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Economy has nothing to do with Kashmiris not wanting to be part of India. Indians are living in a fools paradise if they think economy is a reason for separatism

Also a lot of the money being out in Indian occupied Kashmir is security and military so doesn’t reach the common folk anyway

 

[Hitman]

Economy has nothing to do with Kashmiris not wanting to be part of India. Indians are living in a fools paradise if they think economy is a reason for separatism

Also a lot of the money being out in Indian occupied Kashmir is security and military so doesn’t reach the common folk anyway

Have you heard of defence budget? Yes, that's for security and military.

 

[bala977]

Also a lot of the money being out in Indian occupied Kashmir is security and military so doesn’t reach the common folk anyway

Don’t think this is correct - the military spend is a different budget. The 14 billion is for infrastructure and development.

 

[daytrader]

‘Controversial’ LA resolution being probed: AJK PM
Assures 'all-out' support to IIOJK freedom struggle, questions resolution for opening of Kartarpur-type corridor

AJK Prime Minister Sardar Tanveer Ilyas Khan has said that an investigation had been initiated to ascertain the facts regarding the adoption of a resolution in the AJK Legislative Assembly seeking an opening of a Kartarpur-type corridor between AJK and Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir.

He shared this during his speech at a dinner hosted by him in honor of Hurriyat leaders the other day.

The AJK prime minister expressed his serious concern over the resolution presented in the Legislative Assembly and said a fact-finding inquiry was underway and added it would soon be made public.

Khan, while reiterating his government's commitment to promoting the Kashmir cause, assured the Hurriyat leadership of extending all-out support to the Kashmir freedom movement.

"With the support of the Foreign Office, delegations comprising Kashmiri representatives will be sent abroad to apprise the world of the sensitivities vis-a-vis the Kashmir dispute", he said, adding that an effective campaign would be launched to make the international community aware of the false and fabricated court cases against Hurriyat leaders including Yasin Malik, Shabir Ahmad Shah, Mussrat Alam Bhat, Ameer Hamza, Asiya Andrabi, Dr Hameed Fayyaz and others.


He also stressed the need for exposing the Modi government's nefarious designs behind holding a meeting of G20 countries in Occupied Kashmir.

Express Tribune

 

[Romali_rotti]

‘Controversial’ LA resolution being probed: AJK PM
Assures 'all-out' support to IIOJK freedom struggle, questions resolution for opening of Kartarpur-type corridor

AJK Prime Minister Sardar Tanveer Ilyas Khan has said that an investigation had been initiated to ascertain the facts regarding the adoption of a resolution in the AJK Legislative Assembly seeking an opening of a Kartarpur-type corridor between AJK and Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir.




He also stressed the need for exposing the Modi government's nefarious designs behind holding a meeting of G20 countries in Occupied Kashmir.

Express Tribune

All the best and good luck

 

[Mirpuri Don]

What's the budget in terms of development/infrastructure allocated for other states/union territories, especially on a per capita basis ?

For me it looks like Kashmiris benefit from some sort of financial favoritism from the center, seems that their separatism has literally paid off, but I might be wrong.

I was also reading an AlJazeera article few weeks ago about how private investments have slowed down since the initial outbursts after the end of Article 370, so perhaps there's also a sort of compensation.

 

[bala977]

What's the budget in terms of development/infrastructure allocated for other states/union territories, especially on a per capita basis ?

For me it looks like Kashmiris benefit from some sort of financial favoritism from the center, seems that their separatism has literally paid off, but I might be wrong.

the link below will take you to the article which has an easy to read tabular view. I have also copy pasted the data below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_state_budgets


State Budget (in crore rupees) FY Reference


Andhra Pradesh ₹279,279 crore (US$35 billion) 2023-24 [1]

Arunachal Pradesh ₹29,657 crore (US$3.7 billion) 2023-24 [2]

Assam ₹321,000 crore (US$40 billion) 2023–24 [3]

Bihar ₹2,61,885 crore (equivalent to ₹2.6 trillion or US$33 billion in 2020) 2023–24 [4]

Chhattisgarh ₹121,500 crore (US$15 billion) 2023–24 [5]

Delhi ₹75,800 crore (US$9.5 billion) 2022-23 [6]

Goa ₹21,647 crore (US$2.7 billion) 2021–22 [7]

Gujarat ₹301,000 crore (US$38 billion) 2023–24 [8]

Haryana ₹183,950 crore (US$23 billion) 2023–24 [9]

Himachal Pradesh ₹53,413 crore (US$6.7 billion) 2023–24 [10]

Jammu and Kashmir ₹118,500 crore (US$15 billion) 2023-24 [11]

Jharkhand ₹116,418 crore (US$15 billion) 2023-24 [12]

Karnataka ₹309,182 crore (US$39 billion) 2023-24 [13]

Kerala ₹312,000 crore (US$39 billion) 2023–24 [14]

Madhya Pradesh ₹314,024 crore (US$39 billion) 2023-24 [15]

Maharashtra ₹547,450 crore (US$69 billion) 2023-24 [16]

Manipur ₹35,022 crore (US$4.4 billion) 2023-24 [17]

Meghalaya ₹16,832 crore (US$2.1 billion) 2021-22

Mizoram ₹14,209 crore (US$1.8 billion) 2023-24 [18]

Nagaland ₹22,817 crore (US$2.9 billion) 2021–22

Odisha ₹230,000 crore (US$29 billion) 2023–24 [19]

Punjab ₹196,462 crore (US$25 billion) 2023–24 [20]

Rajasthan ₹297,091 crore (US$37 billion) 2023–24 [21]

Sikkim ₹7,051 crore (US$880 million) 2018–19* [22]

Tamil Nadu ₹360,379 crore (US$45 billion) 2022–23 [23]

Telangana ₹290,396 crore (US$36 billion) 2023–24 [24]

Tripura ₹22,725 crore (US$2.8 billion) 2021-22

Uttarakhand ₹77,407 crore (US$9.7 billion) 2023-24 [25]

Uttar Pradesh ₹690,242 crore (US$86 billion) 2023-24 [26]

West Bengal ₹339,162 crore (US$42 billion) 2023–24 [27]

 

[m.shah]

J&k rates number 1 in unemployment rate in India. We had our horticulture that was destroyed last year by this pathetic government by blocking the trucks on national highway and allowing fruit from Iran and Afghanistan during our peak season. If this govt had only cared about our apple and almond we would have been so much better. First it destroyed almond, walnut and now apple is following the same route thanks to this biased government.

 

[FreakCricket]

Pakistan hasn't had a good economy in a long time, maybe in the 70's or late 80's.

Currently Pakistan has no economy, a big whopping zero.

In 10 more years POK will be wanting to join India after seeing the economic develop in Indian Kashmir.

In pakistan people will die of hunger and in india they will be lynched to death so i dont see a positive

 

[IamIndian]

In pakistan people will die of hunger and in india they will be lynched to death so i dont see a positive

The Muslim population in India has gone up from 30m in 1947 to 210m in 2022, 7 times, Rest from 300m to 1.2b, 4 times. Is this any sign of suppression of anybody? Check on your country Pakistan for same data.

Minorities in Pakistan (Hindu + Sikhs +Christians)

1947 25 %
2022 2%

Minorities in India ( Muslims + Sikhs + Christians )

1947 14%
2022 27%

 

[Energy]

Not going to lie but when you're in Kel and you look at the other side of the border and the standard of construction is much better.

Pakistan hasn't invested in Kashmir despite the chest thumping. No point beating a rhetoric theoretically only.

 

[FreakCricket]

The Muslim population in India has gone up from 30m in 1947 to 210m in 2022, 7 times, Rest from 300m to 1.2b, 4 times. Is this any sign of suppression of anybody? Check on your country Pakistan for same data.

Minorities in Pakistan (Hindu + Sikhs +Christians)

1947 25 %
2022 2%

Minorities in India ( Muslims + Sikhs + Christians )

1947 14%
2022 27%

I never mentioned anything about Pakistan being a safe heaven for minority and those numbers hold no value since East Pakistan got separated.

Can I ask you a something, do you think Muslims in India are not second class citizen with state backed Mobs harassing and killing Muslims, their property be deemed illegal or any way to suppress them by making stuff like love jihad or spitting in food ?

Or it could be this all is made up stuff by the Haters.

 

[Local.Dada]

I never mentioned anything about Pakistan being a safe heaven for minority and those numbers hold no value since East Pakistan got separated.

Can I ask you a something, do you think Muslims in India are not second class citizen with state backed Mobs harassing and killing Muslims, their property be deemed illegal or any way to suppress them by making stuff like love jihad or spitting in food ?

Or it could be this all is made up stuff by the Haters.

No Muslims in India are not second class citizens because the constitution grants them the same rights as everyone else.

Just like a racist incident or the fact that there is underlying racism in the USA doesn’t mean people don’t have equal rights.

In Pakistan a minority cannot even be a head of state. That’s blatant discrimination. Not that a Hindu will ever become the leader in Pakistan but there is not even a scope of some bright and capable guy or women (even more long shot) from a minority to ever become a leader and that is embedded into constitution . I heard some Muslim communities identified as non-Muslims cannot even celebrate Muslim festivals.

Please save your equivalence. There is no comparison between how minorities are treated in India to anywhere else in the world except maybe US, UK and some west European countries.

 

[Local.Dada]

What's the budget in terms of development/infrastructure allocated for other states/union territories, especially on a per capita basis ?

For me it looks like Kashmiris benefit from some sort of financial favoritism from the center, seems that their separatism has literally paid off, but I might be wrong.

I was also reading an AlJazeera article few weeks ago about how private investments have slowed down since the initial outbursts after the end of Article 370, so perhaps there's also a sort of compensation.

In India most states like the 5 south states, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Bengal, Punjab etc always had a system in place which is mostly independent of the center. It is business as usual in most cases regardless of who is in the center.

The north eastern states and Kashmir states don’t have that advantage as for years they have suffered from insurgency, terrorism and government negligence. For political gains or for diplomatic show off , whatever the reason, one thing that is undeniable is that the Indian government has pumped a lot of money to develop these places and they have made some inroads in getting a foothold there. As simple as that.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

The Muslim population in India has gone up from 30m in 1947 to 210m in 2022, 7 times, Rest from 300m to 1.2b, 4 times. Is this any sign of suppression of anybody? Check on your country Pakistan for same data.

Minorities in Pakistan (Hindu + Sikhs +Christians)

1947 25 %
2022 2%

Minorities in India ( Muslims + Sikhs + Christians )

1947 14%
2022 27%

This is very stupid comparison which shows your lack of intellect if anything.

Firstly 1947 isn’t a good year. 1951 is to account for partition migration. And in 1951, current day Pakistan had a minority percentage of 2-3% which is similar to today

 

[captain.hansolo]

Pakistan hasn't had a good economy in a long time, maybe in the 70's or late 80's.

Currently Pakistan has no economy, a big whopping zero.

In 10 more years POK will be wanting to join India after seeing the economic develop in Indian Kashmir.

That sounds like fever dreams of most nationalists and yet a terrible idea. Uniting two regions of such economic disparity results in a home grown populist movement that usually targets some minority that is deemed as the source of all suffering.

Happened in east and west Germany, happens all the time in United States, happens in kerala and Tamil Nadu, and there is no reason it won’t happen if this straw man argument were to come to fruition.

Buts let’s pause and analyze those numbers, could we get breakdowns? How much of that investment is support of the police state? How much is the investment in education? What is the rate of growth of the manufacturing sector? Are there any institutions of excellence? Have there been any investments in city and local transit systems?

 

[captain.hansolo]

That sounds like fever dreams of most nationalists and yet a terrible idea. Uniting two regions of such economic disparity results in a home grown populist movement that usually targets some minority that is deemed as the source of all suffering.

Happened in east and west Germany, happens all the time in United States, happens in kerala and Tamil Nadu, and there is no reason it won’t happen if this straw man argument were to come to fruition.

Buts let’s pause and analyze those numbers, could we get breakdowns? How much of that investment is support of the police state? How much is the investment in education? What is the rate of growth of the manufacturing sector? Are there any institutions of excellence? Have there been any investments in city and local transit systems?

Never mind, each one of those items was addressed here:
https://www.cnbctv18.com/economy/ja...18500-crore-all-you-need-to-know-16225231.htm

It does appear that this genuine growth. Good on india!

 

[captain.hansolo]

Economy has nothing to do with Kashmiris not wanting to be part of India. Indians are living in a fools paradise if they think economy is a reason for separatism

Also a lot of the money being out in Indian occupied Kashmir is security and military so doesn’t reach the common folk anyway

It’s religion. Yes, we get it. We all get it. But I honestly could not care. If the folks can protest without the police state firing at them with shot guns, and they dont have their internet shut off every third day because some joker is having a twitter meltdown, then in my eyes they can want a separate state all the want. But they likely won’t get it.

 

[FreakCricket]

No Muslims in India are not second class citizens because the constitution grants them the same rights as everyone else.

Just like a racist incident or the fact that there is underlying racism in the USA doesn’t mean people don’t have equal rights.

In Pakistan a minority cannot even be a head of state. That’s blatant discrimination. Not that a Hindu will ever become the leader in Pakistan but there is not even a scope of some bright and capable guy or women (even more long shot) from a minority to ever become a leader and that is embedded into constitution . I heard some Muslim communities identified as non-Muslims cannot even celebrate Muslim festivals.

Please save your equivalence. There is no comparison between how minorities are treated in India to anywhere else in the world except maybe US, UK and some west European countries.

Consitution means jack in countries like India and pakistan, it cant give enough protection from politicians or Mobs backed by the Butcher of Gujrat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCyBL8dBOEo&t=17s

I was not making any comparison if Pakistan is a good place for Minority just not blind to paint a different picture. Muslims are not welcomed in india, they are butchered every day and their homes are bulldozed even if they have a court stay order.
Above video shows the true color of the politicans. I like it when people are honest, if you hate, just hate openly instead of hiding behind a keyboard.

 

[Local.Dada]

Consitution means jack in countries like India and pakistan, it cant give enough protection from politicians or Mobs backed by the Butcher of Gujrat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCyBL8dBOEo&t=17s

I was not making any comparison if Pakistan is a good place for Minority just not blind to paint a different picture. Muslims are not welcomed in india, they are butchered every day and their homes are bulldozed even if they have a court stay order.
Above video shows the true color of the politicans. I like it when people are honest, if you hate, just hate openly instead of hiding behind a keyboard.

Simple we have elite members of the society cricketers, politicians, businessmen, sportstars who are Muslim. I am not talking about some Ram Lal who runs a successful grocery store in interior Sindh but actual influencers and nation builders. Should I start with names?

If you are talking about some illiterate Madarasa educated guy who throws stones etc and then gets smacked back you can’t blame the Indian government for that. If it makes you happy those jobless and illiterate elements exist among all communities in India.

Show me cases where someone didn’t get an opportunity because he was Muslim in India for example like an actor, cricketer etc then I will believe you.

 

[daytrader]

AJK unveils Rs232b tax-free FY24 budget
State to increase salaries, pensions according to Centre's pattern

The government on Wednesday presented a historic tax-free budget worth over Rs232.047 billion for the financial year 2023-2024 in the budget session of Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) Legislative Assembly.

An amount of Rs42 billion has been allocated in the budget for development projects. Additionally, a revised budget of Rs156.0947 billion for the fiscal year 2022-23 was also presented for approval.

To improve the economic condition of employees, the state minister for finance stated that the government would consider increasing the salaries and pensions of government employees, following the pattern set by federal government employees.

During the budget presentation in the AJK Legislative Assembly, State Minister for Finance Colonel (retd) Waqar Ahmad Noor shared that the total estimated non-development expenditure for the next financial year was Rs190.047 billion.

This included Rs7.5669 billion for services and general administration, Rs1.672 billion for Board of Revenue, Rs0.044 billion for stamps, and Rs51.300 million for land record and settlement.

Similarly, allocations included Rs1,992.200 million for relief and rehabilitation, Rs35 billion for pensions, Rs379.300 million for public relations, Rs3.0114 billion for judiciary, Rs8.1372 billion for police, Rs0.3269 billion for jails, Rs398.600 million for civil defence, and Rs100.8 million for the armed services board, among others.

An amount of Rs40.133 billion was allocated for the communication and public works department, while Rs17.526 billion for education and Rs183.2 million for sports, youth, culture, and transport.

...
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2422991/ajk-unveils-rs232b-tax-free-fy24-budget

 

[Hitman]

Things are changing for good

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[Major]

What i find surprising about is the ignorance of Indians and the Pakistanis ho haw about Kashmir while having 0 knowledge about it.

Pakistani Kashmir has special status, thus investment cannot be done by the Pakistani Govt in any case. Infact, even a Pakistani cannot own or buy land in Kashmir.

India has revoked the special status of Indian Occupied Kashmir.

 

[Hitman]

Kashmir startup gets first big-ticket investors from abroad​

Srinagar, Feb 6: In a major boost to the startup ecosystem in Kashmir, local horticulture startup Qul Fruitwall (Qul) has become the first private enterprise in the valley to receive global institutional investment.

Belgium-based impact investor Incofin has invested Rs 60 crore in Qul, along with Indian growth capital platform Fiedlin. This marks the first instance of a Kashmir-based startup receiving funding from international institutional investors.

The transaction not only opens the door for more foreign institutional capital in an untapped region of Jammu and Kashmir but puts the spotlight on the tremendous potential of its horticulture industry which supports the livelihood of half of its population.

Founded in 2019 as a tech-enabled integrated platform for growers, it covers the entire value chain from orchard installation, development and maintenance to controlled atmospheric storage facilities to digital supply chain integration with the national market.

Qul demonstrates a farmer-centric value system by collaborating with small and marginal farmers to strengthen their entrepreneurial capabilities. Through precision farming techniques and the use of AI/ML tools, it empowers farmers with orchard-specific predictive insights, market trends, and pricing details. Its commitment to innovation, both biological and non-biological, is reinforced by strategic partnerships with global research institutes, nurseries and groundbreaking enterprises.

Qul leverages process and technology as transformative forces to enhance efficiency and sustainability in line with the global Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs).

Khuram Mir, founder of Qul, who hails from Shopian, the apple bowl of the Kashmir Valley, said, “Our mission is to transform lives and improve livelihood by at least quadrupling in 5 years the apple yield from the current levels of 12 MT per hectare.”

“Qul has plans to scale up its operations with this impact capital raise, which is socially aware and environmentally conscious and intends to take this model to 30,000 farmers in the next few years. The company targets to cross revenues of Rs 1,000 crore in the next 5 years with strong return metrics.”

“Qul has successfully transitioned over 5,000 farmers to high-tech, high-density farming—a sustainable, scientific, regenerative and climate-resilient approach, leading to higher yields, better quality produce, and reduced farm inputs, boosting the farmer’s income by 4-6 times. The enabling policy environment in Jammu and Kashmir, along with the Mission for Integrated Development of Horticulture (MIDH), serve as catalysts for the growth of the horticulture sector in the region.”

Incofin and Fiedlin, see Qul as having unique strengths in operations, biotechnology and digital technologies which places it in a strong position to scale its model.

Commenting on the partnership, Rahul Rai, Partner at Incofin India shared “By leading this investment round, Incofin furthers its mission to back innovative agritech startups that make farming viable and sustainable. We are excited by Qul’s ambition to take Indian apples to the world stage.”

If Qul succeeds in achieving its goals, it will have enabled savings of 32 billion litres of water, direct employment of 3,500 youth in the Kashmir valley and sustainable farming in over 6000 ha of land with farmers earning 4-6 times their current income.

Wim Wienk, chairman of Fiedlin India “stressed that Qul bundles the best of Kashmiri entrepreneurship with international expertise resulting in a resilient and sustainable orchard platform. State-of-the-art farm techniques are fully adapted to local circumstances thereby enhancing productivity, lowering farm inputs and thus increasing farmers’ incomes. Qul’s early-stage profitability underscores the viability of the orchard platform. The scalability makes our investment in Qul appealing.”

Qul’s current operations are focused on the apple value chain, which is the largest temperate crop in the region, with more than 1.6 lakh hectares of land dedicated to apple cultivation. Qul has already initiated research work in other fruit categories and plans to enter other fruit segments such as cherries, plums, kiwis, pears etc.

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Link: https://www.greaterkashmir.com/business/kashmir-startup-gets-first-big-ticket-investors-from-abroad/​