IPL or PSL which tournament has the best local talent?

[MenInG]

The prince amongst all discussions?

This could well be it guys!

So lets put our thinking caps on - put away our blue/green tinted glasses and ask ourselves this question.

Its all good and well to have the best foreign players money can buy for you but the real benefit of these leagues must be the local talent they find or discover (and I am not talking about Afridi or MSD!)

So without much ado, I open the floor for the debate of the century...

 

[marlonbrowndo]

IPL because India has more skilled cricketers right now than Pakistan. Watching some of their young guys bat shocks me. They bat like they’ve been playing international cricket for a few years

 

[wajid]

Batting talent in India is simply amazing!

 

[rhony]

IPL for sure. Most of them go through FC cricket or U19 cricket before they are part of IPL. Both programs are well managed in Ind compared to Pak. IPL acts as the final filter testing their skills and performance under pressure.

 

[rhony]

Just the fact that an India A team can compete against any team in the world in any format should tell you about the depth of local talent. They all play IPL

 

[silentkiller187]

Ipl without a doubt, first it was the batsmen now the bowlers are coming through

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Overall IPL
Batting IPL
Fast bowling PSL

 

[Rajdeep]

Overall IPL
Batting IPL
Fast bowling PSL

You sure?

Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Chahar, Siraj, Natarajan, Harshal Patel, Arshdeep, Avesh Khan, Khaleel, Nagarkotti, Mavi, Ishan Porel

These are some terrific local talents in fast bowling department.

Pls list Pak PSL local bowling talent.

 

[Rana]

Definitely India

 

[Mesozoic]

IPL.

India can now field 3-4 international white ball XIs that can beat most of the "non -Big3+NZ" sides ..

 

[heddie19]

You sure?

Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Chahar, Siraj, Natarajan, Harshal Patel, Arshdeep, Avesh Khan, Khaleel, Nagarkotti, Mavi, Ishan Porel

These are some terrific local talents in fast bowling department.

Pls list Pak PSL local bowling talent.

Hassan Ali, Shaheen Afridi, Faheem Ashraf, Haris Rauf, Hassnain, Naseem Shah, Musa, Arshad Iqbal, Irshad, Umaid Asif, Shahnawaz Dhaani, Waqas Maqsood, Muhammad Wasim

Take that!!

 

[rhony]

Hassan Ali, Shaheen Afridi, Faheem Ashraf, Haris Rauf, Hassnain, Naseem Shah, Musa, Arshad Iqbal, Irshad, Umaid Asif, Shahnawaz Dhaani, Waqas Maqsood, Muhammad Wasim

Take that!!

Harshal Patel, arshdeep, khaleel , Nagarkoti, Ishan Porel Naseem Shah, Musa, Arshad Iqbal, Irshad, Umaid Asif, Waqas Maqsood, Muhammad Wasim need to be talented first before they can be considered local talent. I was relieved a bit that Unadkat wasn't in his list. He was clever but the names you both mentioned are just crappy bowlers who clicked here and there.

 

[Hasan123]

It’s not just the IPL has better local players than the PSL. The Indian players are more game aware and adjust to the pressure much better.

 

[nextover666666]

Psl for me

 

[Major]

Over the years, IPL has invested in scouts and these scouts not only scout talent in India but they also scout for talent in foreign countries aswell.

Thus, IPl doesnt just play players who signed up for their league, they play players who were scouted, proved to be good and than get a chance.

I believ IPL has more talent than ranjhi's as i wonder ehether ranjhi teams have got scouting programs in place or not.

A very good example is the Pravin tambe case, who got to play hard ball cricket after attracting rajistan royal scouts.

There was this bowler KC carriapa who spunned the ball both ways. The only reason why he got bids was because he bowled well in karnataka premier league. During the 2015 ipl auction a bid war started between ddd and kkr. At the end kkr won him at 240 lakhs.

Reason? A guy named srikanth who deos scouting for kkrhad a good report on him.

Srikanth was the guy who scouted kuldeep yadav and even scouted ryan ten doeschete and bought him to ipl.

Now if we talk about psl, psl doenst have a scouting program. Forget about foreign scouting, they don't have any local scouting either.

These foreign team ambassadors that get hired, they are only done so to convince or bring any foreign players they know off. Those players arnt scouted.

The talent hunts arnt proper scouting programs, those are just marketing gimmacks.

If proper scouting existed in IPL than we would had been seeing more batsmen from tape ball making way into t20 cricket.

People might give example of haris rauf, that was one off example, but we havent seen more harris rauf type players coming in.

In PSL its just the captains and players knowing guys from blubs they thought was good and giving them a chance. There arnt any scouts in psl.

Thus based on the scouting money invested it could be easily said IPL has more talent, PSL lack talent

 

[The Viper]

IPL is clear in all departments. The disparity in batting quality is huge, somebody like Samson would make our LOI teams.

 

[shujaatraza]

Clearly IPL..India can now play a third string side against Pakistan in T-20 and win the series..

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Ipl

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

You sure?

Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Chahar, Siraj, Natarajan, Harshal Patel, Arshdeep, Avesh Khan, Khaleel, Nagarkotti, Mavi, Ishan Porel

These are some terrific local talents in fast bowling department.

Pls list Pak PSL local bowling talent.

Neither interested nor am I obliged to list, I gave my opinion, agree or disagree your choice

 

[UzmanBeast]

Over the years, IPL has invested in scouts and these scouts not only scout talent in India but they also scout for talent in foreign countries aswell.

Thus, IPl doesnt just play players who signed up for their league, they play players who were scouted, proved to be good and than get a chance.

I believ IPL has more talent than ranjhi's as i wonder ehether ranjhi teams have got scouting programs in place or not.

A very good example is the Pravin tambe case, who got to play hard ball cricket after attracting rajistan royal scouts.

There was this bowler KC carriapa who spunned the ball both ways. The only reason why he got bids was because he bowled well in karnataka premier league. During the 2015 ipl auction a bid war started between ddd and kkr. At the end kkr won him at 240 lakhs.

Reason? A guy named srikanth who deos scouting for kkrhad a good report on him.

Srikanth was the guy who scouted kuldeep yadav and even scouted ryan ten doeschete and bought him to ipl.

Now if we talk about psl, psl doenst have a scouting program. Forget about foreign scouting, they don't have any local scouting either.

These foreign team ambassadors that get hired, they are only done so to convince or bring any foreign players they know off. Those players arnt scouted.

The talent hunts arnt proper scouting programs, those are just marketing gimmacks.

If proper scouting existed in IPL than we would had been seeing more batsmen from tape ball making way into t20 cricket.

People might give example of haris rauf, that was one off example, but we havent seen more harris rauf type players coming in.

In PSL its just the captains and players knowing guys from blubs they thought was good and giving them a chance. There arnt any scouts in psl.

Thus based on the scouting money invested it could be easily said IPL has more talent, PSL lack talent

Agree about the need for scouts in PSL.

 

[naseem]

IPL a long way...it's altogether a different level....probably at par or sometimes better than international level too...
The youngsters r superb.....

 

[Major]

Over the years, IPL has invested in scouts and these scouts not only scout talent in India but they also scout for talent in foreign countries aswell.

Thus, IPl doesnt just play players who signed up for their league, they play players who were scouted, proved to be good and than get a chance.

I believ IPL has more talent than ranjhi's as i wonder ehether ranjhi teams have got scouting programs in place or not.

A very good example is the Pravin tambe case, who got to play hard ball cricket after attracting rajistan royal scouts.

There was this bowler KC carriapa who spunned the ball both ways. The only reason why he got bids was because he bowled well in karnataka premier league. During the 2015 ipl auction a bid war started between ddd and kkr. At the end kkr won him at 240 lakhs.

Reason? A guy named srikanth who deos scouting for kkrhad a good report on him.

Srikanth was the guy who scouted kuldeep yadav and even scouted ryan ten doeschete and bought him to ipl.

Now if we talk about psl, psl doenst have a scouting program. Forget about foreign scouting, they don't have any local scouting either.

These foreign team ambassadors that get hired, they are only done so to convince or bring any foreign players they know off. Those players arnt scouted.

The talent hunts arnt proper scouting programs, those are just marketing gimmacks.

If proper scouting existed in PSL than we would had been seeing more batsmen from tape ball making way into t20 cricket.

People might give example of haris rauf, that was one off example, but we havent seen more harris rauf type players coming in.

In PSL its just the captains and players knowing guys from blubs they thought was good and giving them a chance. There arnt any scouts in psl.

Thus based on the scouting money invested it could be easily said IPL has more talent, PSL lack talent

Correction, was suppose to write PSL here instead of IPL

 

[naseem]

I want 2 add...

IPL make it sure India has 4 replacements ready for one spot in indian team...

A certain Bharat Arun or Bangar or Zaheer is a better mentor and coach than the entire pak coaching staff...esp Waqar....

Pakistan cricket is still living purely on individual brilliance.....of some players that's it...

 

[naseem]

STILL PAK team is struggling find an alternative for Afridi Malik Hafeez ....and Ajmal.... Still there is no proper no. 6 7.....

IPL has 4 5 alternative for each spot

 

[Abhilash93]

Over the years, IPL has invested in scouts and these scouts not only scout talent in India but they also scout for talent in foreign countries aswell.

Thus, IPl doesnt just play players who signed up for their league, they play players who were scouted, proved to be good and than get a chance.

I believ IPL has more talent than ranjhi's as i wonder ehether ranjhi teams have got scouting programs in place or not.

A very good example is the Pravin tambe case, who got to play hard ball cricket after attracting rajistan royal scouts.

There was this bowler KC carriapa who spunned the ball both ways. The only reason why he got bids was because he bowled well in karnataka premier league. During the 2015 ipl auction a bid war started between ddd and kkr. At the end kkr won him at 240 lakhs.

Reason? A guy named srikanth who deos scouting for kkrhad a good report on him.

Srikanth was the guy who scouted kuldeep yadav and even scouted ryan ten doeschete and bought him to ipl.

Now if we talk about psl, psl doenst have a scouting program. Forget about foreign scouting, they don't have any local scouting either.

These foreign team ambassadors that get hired, they are only done so to convince or bring any foreign players they know off. Those players arnt scouted.

The talent hunts arnt proper scouting programs, those are just marketing gimmacks.

If proper scouting existed in IPL than we would had been seeing more batsmen from tape ball making way into t20 cricket.

People might give example of haris rauf, that was one off example, but we havent seen more harris rauf type players coming in.

In PSL its just the captains and players knowing guys from blubs they thought was good and giving them a chance. There arnt any scouts in psl.

Thus based on the scouting money invested it could be easily said IPL has more talent, PSL lack talent

Yes, Mumbai Indians had John Wright as the scout at one point and he identified Bumrah and Pandya quite early just from watching domestic games.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Indian batting talent is at another level. I think their second tier batsmen like Shaw, Samson, Riyan Parag, Padikkal, Gill are comfortably better than the first choice of most other countries. Their bowling has not been strictly ok in the IPL but then even the likes of Rabada, Cummins are being thrashed, so can't really judge!

 

[Sunzi]

IPL for me.

Pak has a few, naturally... but when we're still persisting with Hafeez at 40+ (and he's seemingly one of our best players) and the door remains ajar on Malik and other 34-35 year olds, I think therein lies the answer.

 

[Major]

Yes, Mumbai Indians had John Wright as the scout at one point and he identified Bumrah and Pandya quite early just from watching domestic games.

one of the reasons why I want IPL to allow Pakistani players back, is because i want to see how much do they value the likes of Shadab or Babar Azam. Would love to see a bidding war for Babar Azam

Another thing i really want to see is whether Indian scouts rate our players or not. Would they be willing to invest in our domestic List A and T20 players and scout them out.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

one of the reasons why I want IPL to allow Pakistani players back, is because i want to see how much do they value the likes of Shadab or Babar Azam. Would love to see a bidding war for Babar Azam

Another thing i really want to see is whether Indian scouts rate our players or not. Would they be willing to invest in our domestic List A and T20 players and scout them out.

Only players from the current national team squad that can make it are Babar, maybe Rizwan, Fakhar and Shaheen.

 

[rhony]

one of the reasons why I want IPL to allow Pakistani players back, is because i want to see how much do they value the likes of Shadab or Babar Azam. Would love to see a bidding war for Babar Azam

Another thing i really want to see is whether Indian scouts rate our players or not. Would they be willing to invest in our domestic List A and T20 players and scout them out.

IPL likes utility cricketers, hard hitters, express bowlers, Hassan Ali will go for 500K. Shaheen 400k. Rizwan probably won't be picked. Every team already has 2 keeper batsmen. Babar could be picked for 250k. Joe Root wasn't picked and Kane rarely plays in the 11. I don't think he's considered better than those two despite the rankings. Shadab for 150k is he's in decent bowling form. Fakhar for 400K after the SA series.

 

[Major]

IPL likes utility cricketers, hard hitters, express bowlers, Hassan Ali will go for 500K. Shaheen 400k. Rizwan probably won't be picked. Every team already has 2 keeper batsmen. Babar could be picked for 250k. Joe Root wasn't picked and Kane rarely plays in the 11. I don't think he's considered better than those two despite the rankings. Shadab for 150k is he's in decent bowling form. Fakhar for 400K after the SA series.

na it doesn't work that way
It depends upon how much the scout rates a player and than the bidding that starts.

If two or three teams show interest, than a bidding war erupts

 

[Local.Dada]

IPL likes utility cricketers, hard hitters, express bowlers, Hassan Ali will go for 500K. Shaheen 400k. Rizwan probably won't be picked. Every team already has 2 keeper batsmen. Babar could be picked for 250k. Joe Root wasn't picked and Kane rarely plays in the 11. I don't think he's considered better than those two despite the rankings. Shadab for 150k is he's in decent bowling form. Fakhar for 400K after the SA series.

Hafeez will fetch a good price. He is 40 I know but Tambe,Gayle,Watson,Warne etc have played late and Hafeez seems to have hit a purple patch. He has a name recognition than some of the newer Pakistani players in India. If he bowls then he is a sure pick. In fact his “chucking”
Problem might be finally put to rest like it was done for Narine.

 

[rhony]

Hafeez will fetch a good price. He is 40 I know but Tambe,Gayle,Watson,Warne etc have played late and Hafeez seems to have hit a purple patch. He has a name recognition than some of the newer Pakistani players in India. If he bowls then he is a sure pick. In fact his “chucking”
Problem might be finally put to rest like it was done for Narine.

Good point. Forgot about Hafeez. Hyderabad would be lucky to have him in the middle order if he can bowl too.

 

[shamaan]

You sure?

Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Chahar, Siraj, Natarajan, Harshal Patel, Arshdeep, Avesh Khan, Khaleel, Nagarkotti, Mavi, Ishan Porel

These are some terrific local talents in fast bowling department.

Pls list Pak PSL local bowling talent.

Baring the top 3 akif javed is better than all the rest

 

[naseem]

Baring the top 3 akif javed is better than all the rest

Moreover Ishan Porel didn't got chance.....so he is not that trusted...... It's not bowling.....batting middle nd lower order bating is pak problem...
In bowling i believe pak have good 3 bowlers atleast

 

[avihash]

Is it really even a comparison. The ipl local talent spanked australia in australia in a test series.
Whereas the national team of pak consistently gets beaten by innings.
Delusional to think that this is even a comparison.

 

[Saj]

For me it's about managing and grooming the talent properly.

In Pakistan cricket they push players into international cricket too quickly. They play a couple of good matches at the PSL and that's it, they are the next big thing, or on the other side expectations become so huge that if they have a couple of poor matches, they are written-off. Look at the likes of Umer Khan, where are they now, look at the way they have been treated.

For Indian cricket, these T20 leagues are not finishing schools for international cricket, instead they are only a part of the learning process for young cricketers and are used in conjunction with 50-over domestic tournaments and First-class cricket. They are not the be-all and end-all for international selection.

But in Pakistan cricket, the PSL is seen as the finishing school for international cricket and too much weight is put on performances in this tournament. Yes, appreciate PSL performances, but look at the overall picture, give the player time to mature and learn the art of playing cricket before he is thrown into international cricket.

This is why at the moment the IPL is doing a far better job than the PSL in the development of local talent.

 

[rhony]

For me it's about managing and grooming the talent properly.

In Pakistan cricket they push players into international cricket too quickly. They play a couple of good matches at the PSL and that's it, they are the next big thing, or on the other side expectations become so huge that if they have a couple of poor matches, they are written-off. Look at the likes of Umer Khan, where are they now, look at the way they have been treated.

For Indian cricket, these T20 leagues are not finishing schools for international cricket, instead they are only a part of the learning process for young cricketers and are used in conjunction with 50-over domestic tournaments and First-class cricket. They are not the be-all and end-all for international selection.

But in Pakistan cricket, the PSL is seen as the finishing school for international cricket and too much weight is put on performances in this tournament. Yes, appreciate PSL performances, but look at the overall picture, give the player time to mature and learn the art of playing cricket before he is thrown into international cricket.

This is why at the moment the IPL is doing a far better job than the PSL in the development of local talent.

If an Indian domestic player wants to get into Indian white ball teams, he needs to perform in IPL. It's not a finishing school per se but it's one of the criteria.

 

[Saj]

If an Indian domestic player wants to get into Indian white ball teams, he needs to perform in IPL. It's not a finishing school per se but it's one of the criteria.

That's the point, it is one of the criteria, not the final criteria and that's the difference.

The players that India are picking at international level have 100s of matches behind them before they are picked for the country. They aren't picked after a couple of matches and looking good in the nets.

 

[Thanos]

IPL likes utility cricketers, hard hitters, express bowlers, Hassan Ali will go for 500K. Shaheen 400k. Rizwan probably won't be picked. Every team already has 2 keeper batsmen. Babar could be picked for 250k. Joe Root wasn't picked and Kane rarely plays in the 11. I don't think he's considered better than those two despite the rankings. Shadab for 150k is he's in decent bowling form. Fakhar for 400K after the SA series.

It doesn't work that way. Teams try to pick players with specific skill, and if more than one teams are looking for same skillset player, we see bidding war.
That's why sometimes average players make millions and good players get less money.

So no one can be sure how much any player will get.

 

[U$ofA]

That's the point, it is one of the criteria, not the final criteria and that's the difference.

The players that India are picking at international level have 100s of matches behind them before they are picked for the country. They aren't picked after a couple of matches and looking good in the nets.

Not to mention a certain Mr. Rahul Dravid puts some final touches/polish on the young talents.

 

[Saj]

Not to mention a certain Mr. Rahul Dravid puts some final touches/polish on the young talents.

Well that's right. You have to have the right people in the right jobs, which hasn't always been the case in Pakistan cricket and continues to be an issue.

 

[Uzi]

Neither. I reckon the BPL has the best local talent.

 

[rhony]

It doesn't work that way. Teams try to pick players with specific skill, and if more than one teams are looking for same skillset player, we see bidding war.
That's why sometimes average players make millions and good players get less money.

So no one can be sure how much any player will get.

Precisely my point. Except for SRH, other teams are well covered. The skills everybody need are a hard hitting fast bowler, a leftie pacer. Those are rare entities

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The prince amongst all discussions?

This could well be it guys!

So lets put our thinking caps on - put away our blue/green tinted glasses and ask ourselves this question.

Its all good and well to have the best foreign players money can buy for you but the real benefit of these leagues must be the local talent they find or discover (and I am not talking about Afridi or MSD!)

So without much ado, I open the floor for the debate of the century...

Just the fact that an India A team can compete against any team in the world in any format should tell you about the depth of local talent. They all play IPL

OP talks about local talent discovered by IPL/PSL. Any names you got? 13 will do.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Batting talent : IPL
Bowling talent : PSL
Fielding talent : BBL

 

[rhony]

Just like most times you got it completely wrong again.OP talks about local talent discovered by IPL/PSL. Any names you got? 13 will do.

My post answers that specifically as it was a part of his question. You are entertaining with the desperation but at some point it gets monotonous.

Now you already read my post about how difficult it is to unearth a new player when you have a robust domestic structure already in place. You read it, you understood it but never learned from it. Considering that's typical, I'll throw another bone.

These are the players that were "discovered" by IPL. They were either plucked out of no where or were nobodies in FC cricket with not much recognition. They went to represent India or were selected to play for India because of their IPL performances. Bumrah, Pandya brothers, Kuldeep Yadav, Yuzi Chahal, Rahul Chahar, Ashwin (Yes, see the wiki link below. Nobody knew who he was until then. He was discovered in the IPL), Manish Pandey, Natarajan ( until SRH IPL last year nobody knew who he was), Washington Sundar, Manpreet Gony, Varun Chakravarthy, Mohit Sharma. Now send me the names of 50 world class pace bowlers Indian FC produced in 70 years. I bet you won't.

When Ashley Giles, The ECB managing director has credited IPL for his team's no.1 ranking, a nobody like you won't be taken seriously with your constant bickering and biased nonsense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hi...ne-in-odis-and-t20is-101615531185360-amp.html



https://www.google.com/amp/s/wisden...s-who-took-the-ipl-route-to-india-stardom/amp

"But it was not until the 2010 Indian Premier League in which he played for the Chennai Super Kings, that he came into the limelight with his economical bowling and earned his maiden international call-up in the limited-overs formats in June 2010. He was the leading wicket-taker and player of the tournament of the 2010 Champions League Twenty20 in South Africa. He was also part of the Indian squad that won the 2011 Cricket World Cup. Later that year, he made his Test debut against West Indies and became the seventh Indian to take a five-wicket haul on Test debut. He took two five-wicket hauls and scored a century in that series and won the player of the series award."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravichandran_Ashwin

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The prince amongst all discussions?

This could well be it guys!

So lets put our thinking caps on - put away our blue/green tinted glasses and ask ourselves this question.

Its all good and well to have the best foreign players money can buy for you but the real benefit of these leagues must be the local talent they find or discover (and I am not talking about Afridi or MSD!)

So without much ado, I open the floor for the debate of the century...

My post answers that specifically as it was a part of his question. You are entertaining with the desperation but at some point it gets monotonous.

Now you already read my post about how difficult it is to unearth a new player when you have a robust domestic structure already in place. You read it, you understood it but never learned from it. Considering that's typical, I'll throw another bone.

These are the players that were "discovered" by IPL. They were either plucked out of no where or were nobodies in FC cricket with not much recognition. They went to represent India or were selected to play for India because of their IPL performances. Bumrah, Pandya brothers, Kuldeep Yadav, Yuzi Chahal, Rahul Chahar, Ashwin (Yes, see the wiki link below. Nobody knew who he was until then. He was discovered in the IPL), Manish Pandey, Natarajan ( until SRH IPL last year nobody knew who he was), Washington Sundar, Manpreet Gony, Varun Chakravarthy, Mohit Sharma. Now send me the names of 50 world class pace bowlers Indian FC produced in 70 years. I bet you won't.

When Ashley Giles, The ECB managing director has credited IPL for his team's no.1 ranking, a nobody like you won't be taken seriously with your constant bickering and biased nonsense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hi...ne-in-odis-and-t20is-101615531185360-amp.html



https://www.google.com/amp/s/wisden...s-who-took-the-ipl-route-to-india-stardom/amp

"But it was not until the 2010 Indian Premier League in which he played for the Chennai Super Kings, that he came into the limelight with his economical bowling and earned his maiden international call-up in the limited-overs formats in June 2010. He was the leading wicket-taker and player of the tournament of the 2010 Champions League Twenty20 in South Africa. He was also part of the Indian squad that won the 2011 Cricket World Cup. Later that year, he made his Test debut against West Indies and became the seventh Indian to take a five-wicket haul on Test debut. He took two five-wicket hauls and scored a century in that series and won the player of the series award."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravichandran_Ashwin

There were many fans like you who used to claim that IPL was invented to find new cricketers for India. The fact that you can't even name 13 cricketers is a big enough proof that IPL took cricketers from indian domestic cricket and fans labelled them as products of IPL.

Regarding Ashwin and few other domestic cricketers who came into recognition through IPL, it just shows that we really had some lazy and incompetent selectors who were not doing their job properly. Some of you speak like we never had top class cricketers in India before IPL came into existence. Thank god you didn't label Rohit, Kohli, Ishant and 99% other cricketers as products of IPL.

 

[rhony]

You should keep that bone instead of throwing at me because you still don't know the meaning of unearthing a talent. There were many fans like you who used to claim that IPL was invented to find new cricketers for India. The fact that you can't even name 13 cricketers is a big enough proof that IPL took cricketers from indian domestic cricket and fans labelled them as products of IPL.

Regarding Ashwin and few other domestic cricketers who came into recognition through IPL, it just shows that we really had some lazy and incompetent selectors who were not doing their job properly. Some of you speak like we never had top class cricketers in India before IPL came into existence. Thank god you didn't label Rohit, Kohli, Ishant and 99% other cricketers as products of IPL.

Now where's my list of 50 world class pace bowlers in India's 70 year FC existence. That's less than 1 per year. Considering "unearthing" is easy according to you, shouldn't be too tough for you to find out. If a player gets discovered in IPL, it's because selectors are lazy in FC cricket. If players credit IPl for their success, it's because they want contracts. If the talent pool is world class, it's because their under 16 coach was good. Funny excuses as always U got no where to hide as you have been exposed. "Selectors are lazy". That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a year. Pretty funny!!

 

[Local.Dada]

One thing I will have to give the Pakistani fast bowlers. Even some of the ones who are backups or even the ones on fringes of selection. These ones are much better on dustbowls and slow wickets than a lot of journeyman & 2nd string Aussie fast bowlers who play in the IPL .

Then again not sure how much utility they would give overall because of their batting and fielding ability but as bowlers they are far ahead of some of the gora fast bowlers. I would definitely consider Hassan Ali or Faheem over Kane Richardson,Counter-Nile or Dan Christian for sure.

 

[avihash]

Entertaining as always. Ignorance is always hilarious. Now where's my list of 50 world class pace bowlers in India's 70 year FC existence. That's less than 1 per year. Considering "unearthing" is easy according to you, shouldn't be too tough for you to find out. If a player gets discovered in IPL, it's because selectors are lazy in FC cricket. If players credit IPl for their success, it's because they want contracts. If the talent pool is world class, it's because their under 16 coach was good. Funny excuses as always U got no where to hide as you have been exposed. Your lame excuses are for everyone to see. "Selectors are lazy". That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a year. Pretty funny!!

The ipl is extra ordinary in the sense that it immunes young players to pressure and prepares them for international cricket like no domestic cricket ever can.

Case in point being the way the young players from ipl butchered australia at their home ground.
Whereas some of the teams with taleunted domestic players and international veterans routinely get humiliated there.

 

[ChTab]

IMO as far as local talent is concerned IPL is ahead of PSL in every aspect, they have better future talent, better bowlers, better spinners & better fielders. ATM PSL is only ahead of IPL in terms of the local bowler's average speed.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Dunno about scouts for IPL etc....
as an indian - I wish we get some young quicks coming up the ranks - preferably LH.
very soon a big batch of Ishant, Shami, Bhuvi, Yadav are going to hang up their boots, we need a second line of pacemen.We are on the right track, off course not a perfect system....but we should be getting young quicks 145kmp+.....no doubts it will happen

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Overall IPL is far better than PSL in terms of local talent. Credit goes to their strong domestic structure, qualified and professional coaching and training staff with modern equipments.

You can see some extremely talented local batsmen who can walk into any international side as a star players.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Dunno about scouts for IPL etc....
as an indian - I wish we get some young quicks coming up the ranks - preferably LH.
very soon a big batch of Ishant, Shami, Bhuvi, Yadav are going to hang up their boots, we need a second line of pacemen.We are on the right track, off course not a perfect system....but we should be getting young quicks 145kmp+.....no doubts it will happen

I don't think 145kmp+ should be a criteria to decide the fate of bowler. It is all about pitching it in right areas and bowling with plan.

 

[Giannis]

Bbl

 

[Cyclotron]

Bbl

Top players from bbl are getting butchered in IPL.earlier Daniel Sams and now Riley Meredith.No players from BBl except jofra archer,has replicated the performances of bbl on which basis they were selected in IPL

 

[Giannis]

Top players from bbl are getting butchered in IPL.earlier Daniel Sams and now Riley Meredith.No players from BBl except jofra archer,has replicated the performances of bbl on which basis they were selected in IPL

vice versa

 

[OMB]

I don't think 145kmp+ should be a criteria to decide the fate of bowler. It is all about pitching it in right areas and bowling with plan.

yes, Pace has nothing to do with wickets (in IPL). In fact most pacers drop their pace to reduce boundaries

 

[Cyclotron]

vice versa

Can you please elaborate?

 

[Bigboii]

Can you please elaborate?

Meaning the indian local talent won't be good enough for BBL

 

[Devadwal]

Paddikal easily can find place in Pakistan team

 

[Saj]

I look at this kid Paddikal and the thing that strikes me the most is the fact that he has already played 71 domestic matches at the age of 20.

He was playing first-class cricket at the age of 18 and has already played 15 first-class matches, 20 List-A and 36 T20s.

 

[rhony]

Now that you can't name those 13 cricketers you are going to ask me to name 50 World Class pace bowlers in India lol? Nice way of ignoring my question. You can also increase this number to 100 and run away now. )

Apart from Bumrah whichever bowler you have seen in Indian cricket are all products of domestic cricket whether its Zak, Irfan, Ishant, Shami, Umesh, Kapil, Srinath, Agarkar, Nehra or Bhuvi to name a few. I will call the selectors lazy and incompetent if they need IPL to recognise an already active domestic cricketer. As I said above cricket didn't start after 2008 so kindly do not try to spit on the same domestic cricket which is responsible for India winning 3 World Cups.

I already named 13. You can't name 50 because there aren't 50. Couldn't care less if selectors dropped the ball. That's the point of IPL and you just reiterated it. Scouts in IPL found talent that selectors in FC ignored. Anyway, you've been debunked enough.

 

[Napa]

Overall IPL
Batting IPL
Fast bowling PSL

Batting talent : IPL
Bowling talent : PSL
Fielding talent : BBL

It is a common opinion that Indian bowling is poor, but the stats say otherwise.

Pakistan's last tour of Australia, Australians scored 1,169 runs for the loss of 13 wickets, an average of 89.92.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-in-aus-test-2019-20-1183520/match-results

India's last tour of Australia, Australians scored 1,992 runs for the loss of 68 wickets, an average of 29.29. All the top Indian bowlers were not available at some point in this series.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/border-gavaskar-trophy-2020-21-1223868/match-results

 

[Rathore]

India/indian players have a reasonable domestic set up with a competent cricket board, whose chair person will not be changed or appointed on political grounds unlike us. IPl is the richest t20 tournament in the world, they have much better resources at there disposal for grooming raw talent the only league that is on par or even better than ipl is BBL.
PSL is also a good league i would rank PSL 3rd behind BBL and IPL, PSL can be improved by increasing the teams if PSL add just 2 more teams the total no of matches will increase from 34 to 50+ matches that gives a good number of games to local talent. Which will increase the overall standard of cricket in Pakistan because of the exposure they got in PSL.

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL:

SKY, Kishan, Samson, Pant, Shaw, Paddikal, Pandya, Bumrah, KL, Shreyas, Bhuvi, Natrajan, D Chahar, Axar Patel, Jadeja, Sundar, Siraj

PSL:

Shaheen, Haider

Don't think Babar is PSL product.

Hence, IPL has best local talent.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

IN PSL, the teams are based around whatever the foreign names they have instead of being the other way around. The foreign batters get to bat in the all important positions in majority of the teams. Bowling is a little bit better cause we tend to give way too many caps to bowlers in LOIs.

Dean Jones pointed out in the second or third season that to make batters good enough for international level, every franchise needs local 2 batters in the top 3 or 3 in top 4 or something like that.

 

[Saj]

The PSL shouldn't be used by the selectors as an integral part of international selection.

In fact they should identify talent in PSL and help it mature by making sure that talent gets lots of opportunities at domestic level. Then when that talent is ready, pick it for the national side.

 

[fitCricFan]

The prince amongst all discussions?

This could well be it guys!

So lets put our thinking caps on - put away our blue/green tinted glasses and ask ourselves this question.

Its all good and well to have the best foreign players money can buy for you but the real benefit of these leagues must be the local talent they find or discover (and I am not talking about Afridi or MSD!)

So without much ado, I open the floor for the debate of the century...

If you are relying on a T20 league to discover talent then I am sorry, you have it backwards. That should be happening in local leagues, at the grassroots level and and those skills and talent honed in domestic tournaments.

IPL/PSL is where a few of those talented players, having come through the ranks, get an opportunity to showcase their abilities (natural and acquired) and if they are lucky, with some good performance get an opportunity to wear national colors.

 

[Concerned]

It’s amazing how a number of uncapped players feature in the top ten for bowling and batting in the IPL. They strive on such opportunities.

PSL might have some talent however there is more selection bias in giving chances. Crazy how the likes of Imam and Shafiq played any PSL.

Either way, IPL is some years ahead in terms of new talent.

 

[U$ofA]

I look at this kid Paddikal and the thing that strikes me the most is the fact that he has already played 71 domestic matches at the age of 20.

He was playing first-class cricket at the age of 18 and has already played 15 first-class matches, 20 List-A and 36 T20s.

Looking at BCCI and PCB setups it seems in both cases players get in at an early age. But the similarities stop there.

In case of PCB the players seem to transition to national duty almost immediately. While it takes 5+ years for an Indian player to get anywhere near the national team.

 

[U$ofA]

IPL:

SKY, Kishan, Samson, Pant, Shaw, Paddikal, Pandya, Bumrah, KL, Shreyas, Bhuvi, Natrajan, D Chahar, Axar Patel, Jadeja, Sundar, Siraj

PSL:

Shaheen, Haider

Don't think Babar is PSL product.

Hence, IPL has best local talent.

You have left out a BIG name. Arguably the best test spinner currently in test cricket, Ashwin.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

I don't think 145kmp+ should be a criteria to decide the fate of bowler. It is all about pitching it in right areas and bowling with plan.

yes, baat to sahi hai.....its all about the setup , match situation, outthinking the batsman, holding our nerve under pressure etc...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I already named 13. You can't name 50 because there aren't 50. Couldn't care less if selectors dropped the ball. That's the point of IPL and you just reiterated it. Scouts in IPL found talent that selectors in FC ignored. Anyway, you've been debunked enough.

No you didn't. Don't lie and run away if you can't answer. You still don't know the meaning of unearthing a talent. Picking a domestic cricketer and naming it as their own won't count here. Try harder next time befote debunking yourself.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You have left out a BIG name. Arguably the best test spinner currently in test cricket, Ashwin.

yup Ashwin has been the biggest IPL find so far. Wasn't exactly setting the first-class cricket ablaze.

 

[Mamoon]

What sort of question is this?

Pakistan is the least talented cricket nation in the world at the moment. India, on the other hand, is overloaded with talent.

Even the D team of India will trash Pakistan’s first team in all formats 9 out of 10 times.

How can we compare the respective talent of IPL and its cheap imitation PSL?

 

[Bhaijaan]

PSL is superior in following aspects :-

Left arm fast bowling
Left arm spin bowling
Right arm fast bowling
Local umpiring
Crowd quality
Mascots
Online forum debate quality
Overall hospitality


IPL is superior in
Batting
Fielding
Right arm medium pace bowling
Right arm leg spin bowling
Dinner buffet
After party

 

[Cyclotron]

PSL is superior in following aspects :-

Left arm fast bowling
Left arm spin bowling
Right arm fast bowling
Local umpiring
Crowd quality
Mascots
Online forum debate quality
Overall hospitality


IPL is superior in
Batting
Fielding
Right arm medium pace bowling
Right arm leg spin bowling
Dinner buffet
After party

I think this time local umpiring in ipl is better

 

[rhony]

yup Ashwin has been the biggest IPL find so far. Wasn't exactly setting the first-class cricket ablaze.

Ashwin and Bumrah. Two of the greatest bowlers India ever produced.