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IPL-style play-offs instead of knockouts in World Cups? Virat Kohli says it's idea worth considering

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Virat Kohli on play-offs instead of knockout matches "if topping the table means anything then these things can come into consideration" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://t.co/xQY4hwNNHh">pic.twitter.com/xQY4hwNNHh</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1149049056800497664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Kohli was unhappy with the fact that his team played well throughout the WC but lost due poor cricket in 45 minutes at start of innings.I feel this is a clear ploy to pressurize ICC to adopt IPL style eliminator and qualifier as the next world cup is in India.See the pattern.In 2007 India was not happy with the pattern followed and it was modified in 2011 WC to give more leverage to good teams.I know 2023 is long away but wont be surprised if we see this
Thoughts?:vk2
 
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Tournament wise I think it will be a shambles. They will host all lower ranked teams in remote areas, stadiums will be half empty despite all schools in the area participating. lets nor forget how umpires will also be under alot of pressure too.

This will give India a great opportunity to lift the trophy again.
 
#1 team should go the final directly. This will ensure that teams take every match seriously. This would prevent a team like India to play rubbish cricket against England once they have already qualified for the semis.

#3 and #4 should play an eliminator, the winner gets to play #2 in the second eliminator. The winner of the final eliminator plays the final with #1.
 
Haha the ICC may as well just award India all World Cups and ban the rest from competing. Only way to guarantee this that India make it to the final and win.:moyo2
 
This is worldcup not league
You have to be at your best to be world champion from start to end
How you play in knock outs how you handle pressure that is what matters
 
Nothing beats excitment of Knockouts
Playoffs are rubbish
in fact i miss. QFs
hopefully Afghanistan Nepal Soctland Zimbabwe all progress so we have more competitive teams and QFs format can be adopted
 
Don't add eliminator! It will ruin World Cup's tradition.

World Cup is not random cricket league.
 
Don't add eliminator! It will ruin World Cup's tradition.

World Cup is not random cricket league.


Agree the knockout stage is what makes it so exciting

Just look finished first and they were playing a New Zealand team that didn't look great yet New Zealand were able to win despite being the favorites that's what make knockout stage amazing anything can happen
 
No. Leave that for T20 leagues. This is legit competition. I'm even in favour of groups and quarter finals instead of this league system.

As I have said many times before though, the 1999 or 2003 format is the best, the only difference between them is the amount of team, whether you want two groups of 6 or two groups of 7, I am in favour of two groups of 7.
 
Please keep it as a knockout form. That is the beauty of the WC. This format Kohli is referring to is fine for T20 leagues in which consistency in a T20 format should be rewarded.
 
I actually had a discussion about this way before the WC started. NBA etc all does that. Not sure why cricket doesn't. That's actually a good way to crown the champ. Has nothing to do with India not going to final.
 
So now the format should be changed coz India are out!:wa

Didn't we have like 25 threads about NRR and H2H and all that when Pakistan got knocked out?

And as [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] pointed out, a journalist brought up this point, not Kohli.

Anyway, in my opinion we should stick to the SF-final KO games format. That's how the cricket WCs has always been and that's how it should stay.
 
ICC will do anything for India to get all the way in to final. Another thing ICC have made sure since 2007 is India vs Pak match in ICC tournaments.
 
Didn't we have like 25 threads about NRR and H2H and all that when Pakistan got knocked out?

And as [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] pointed out, a journalist brought up this point, not Kohli.

Anyway, in my opinion we should stick to the SF-final KO games format. That's how the cricket WCs has always been and that's how it should stay.

Was Sarfaraz crying when Pak got knocked out over this format of the tournament? It was Pak fans like me who felt that a head to head should come before run rate. This format is fine as far as I am concerned. All that matters to me is India are out now so I can rest easy!!:asghar
 
No need of such threads. Even if ICC introduces that system, every team will have an equal opportunity to take advantage of it. If India proves to be the most consistent side again, good for them.
 
#1 team should go the final directly. This will ensure that teams take every match seriously. This would prevent a team like India to play rubbish cricket against England once they have already qualified for the semis.

#3 and #4 should play an eliminator, the winner gets to play #2 in the second eliminator. The winner of the final eliminator plays the final with #1.

This i like..
 
I agree, they should have like an NBA playoffs format.
But then no group stage and less teams would play.

Just best of 3 series with 8 teams.

For example:

1. England vs 8. Sri Lanka (ENG win 2-1)
2. India vs 7. Bangladesh (IND win 2-0)
3. New Zealand vs 6. Pakistan (NZ win 2-1)
4. Australia vs 5. South Africa (AUS win 2-1)

1. England vs 4. Australia (AUS win 2-1)
2. India vs 3. New Zealand (NZ win 2-1)

3. New Zealand vs 4. Australia (NZ win 2-1)

I don't like this...
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Virat Kohli on play-offs instead of knockout matches "if topping the table means anything then these things can come into consideration" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://t.co/xQY4hwNNHh">pic.twitter.com/xQY4hwNNHh</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1149049056800497664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Kohli was unhappy with the fact that his team played well throughout the WC but lost due poor cricket in 45 minutes at start of innings.I feel this is a clear ploy to pressurize ICC to adopt IPL style eliminator and qualifier as the next world cup is in India.See the pattern.In 2007 India was not happy with the pattern followed and it was modified in 2011 WC to give more leverage to good teams.I know 2023 is long away but wont be surprised if we see this
Thoughts?:vk2

make semi-final best of 3 games and final best of 5 games. this way the best team will win.
 
#1 team should go the final directly. This will ensure that teams take every match seriously. This would prevent a team like India to play rubbish cricket against England once they have already qualified for the semis.

#3 and #4 should play an eliminator, the winner gets to play #2 in the second eliminator. The winner of the final eliminator plays the final with #1.
Well team #5 should also get a fair shot. This will ensure that a good performing team does not loose out.

May be the semi finals should be held between team #2, 3, 4 & 5. Then pre-final. Then final?
 
But then no group stage and less teams would play.

Just best of 3 series with 8 teams.

For example:

1. England vs 8. Sri Lanka (ENG win 2-1)
2. India vs 7. Bangladesh (IND win 2-0)
3. New Zealand vs 6. Pakistan (NZ win 2-1)
4. Australia vs 5. South Africa (AUS win 2-1)

1. England vs 4. Australia (AUS win 2-1)
2. India vs 3. New Zealand (NZ win 2-1)

3. New Zealand vs 4. Australia (NZ win 2-1)

I don't like this...

Expand it to 16 like the nba, there can be two separate conferences or one conference but the 1st seed plays the 16th seed like how it is in college basketball. I think instead of a best-of-3 it should best of 5.
 
^ I think the final should be a one-off game, like how in the NFL the superbowl isn't played in a series.
 
A 16-seed best of 5 play off with a one-off final would be a great format for the world cup

Going off the latest ICC world rankings, this is what it would look like

#1 England vs #16 UAE
#2 India vs #15 Nepal (South Asian derby)
#3 New Zealand vs #14 Scotland (Could be an upset)
#4 Australia vs #13 Netherlands
#5 South Africa v #12 Zimbabwe (African derby)
#6 Pakistan vs #11 Ireland (Old rivals)
#7 Banglades vs #10 Afghanistan (A good match up)
#8 Sri Lanka vs #9 West Indies (The best match up)

Only downside is that India and Pakistan won't be guranteed a match up and the fans will miss out and the ICC + broadcasters will lose out on a lot of money.
 
A 16-seed best of 5 play off with a one-off final would be a great format for the world cup

Going off the latest ICC world rankings, this is what it would look like

#1 England vs #16 UAE
#2 India vs #15 Nepal (South Asian derby)
#3 New Zealand vs #14 Scotland (Could be an upset)
#4 Australia vs #13 Netherlands
#5 South Africa v #12 Zimbabwe (African derby)
#6 Pakistan vs #11 Ireland (Old rivals)
#7 Banglades vs #10 Afghanistan (A good match up)
#8 Sri Lanka vs #9 West Indies (The best match up)

Only downside is that India and Pakistan won't be guranteed a match up and the fans will miss out and the ICC + broadcasters will lose out on a lot of money.

I would watch precisely 0 of these games.
 
A 16-seed best of 5 play off with a one-off final would be a great format for the world cup

Going off the latest ICC world rankings, this is what it would look like

#1 England vs #16 UAE
#2 India vs #15 Nepal (South Asian derby)
#3 New Zealand vs #14 Scotland (Could be an upset)
#4 Australia vs #13 Netherlands
#5 South Africa v #12 Zimbabwe (African derby)
#6 Pakistan vs #11 Ireland (Old rivals)
#7 Banglades vs #10 Afghanistan (A good match up)
#8 Sri Lanka vs #9 West Indies (The best match up)

Only downside is that India and Pakistan won't be guranteed a match up and the fans will miss out and the ICC + broadcasters will lose out on a lot of money.

I like this but I would do two conferences like NHL and NBA

So:

East
1. India vs 8. Papua New Guinea
2. Pakistan vs 7. UAE
3. Bangladesh vs 6. Nepal
4. Sri Lanka vs 5. Afghanistan

West
1. England vs 8. Scotland
2. New Zealand vs 7. Zimbabwe
3. Australia vs 6. Ireland
4. South Africa vs 5. West Indies


Because conditions play a big part in cricket so this would mean not one particular team thrives as the tournament can be played in a particular region for each conference.

Eastern tournament can be played in South Asia.

Western tournament can be played in South Africa.

Then the Final stage can be played in a neutral venue like the West Indies.
 
I like this but I would do two conferences like NHL and NBA

So:

East
1. India vs 8. Papua New Guinea
2. Pakistan vs 7. UAE
3. Bangladesh vs 6. Nepal
4. Sri Lanka vs 5. Afghanistan

West
1. England vs 8. Scotland
2. New Zealand vs 7. Zimbabwe
3. Australia vs 6. Ireland
4. South Africa vs 5. West Indies


Because conditions play a big part in cricket so this would mean not one particular team thrives as the tournament can be played in a particular region for each conference.

Eastern tournament can be played in South Asia.

Western tournament can be played in South Africa.

Then the Final stage can be played in a neutral venue like the West Indies.

I think it should be played in one country spanning 6 to 8 weeks.
 
Lol everyone wants the rules bended to suit them. The team that handles pressure best deserves to win the WC.
 
I just prefer the classic knockout system more. You can get upsets like these even though most people favored India to win this comfortably.
 
How about playoffs only if India lose first Knockout match? Ha ha

If they don't top the table then whatever number they end up on gets automatic final qualification.. How about that kohli?

Or if india top table then other finalist must defeat each team 2 times whilst India team plays IPL. Once other finalist is confirmed then to win the final that other team needs to

- either beat india by 250 runs or by 10 wickets and
- bowl no extras
- all their bowlers cannot swing the ball

Ha ha.. Kohli tujhse nahi hota chase.. Chokers
 
Excuses from dumb kohli.Knockouts are feature of big tournaments.If you cant handle them,you dont have true champion mentality.WHAT HAPPENED WAS IN THE COMING FOR YEARS.EVERYONE KNEW THE DAY INDIAN TOP ORDER FAILS ,WE HAVE NO BACKUP.Shastri and kohli are solely to blame for this,along with dhoni's leeching mentality.Wasted 2 years on karthik,shankar,rayudu,rahul,kedar - never blooding pant,never giving mayank a chance.Didn't give iyer a long run.
 
Utter nonsense.

Honestly cricket is just full of whinging. The best bit of any tournament regardless of sport are the knock outs because the fans the players the staff all know everything hinges on key key moments and it creates some fantastic games.

Yournament already had 3 only and now people want even less because they couldnt hack the pressure. Its stupid, simple as.

Imagine if SA vs NZ in 2015 was just some stupid preliminary play off or whatever. Nonsense.
 
Explain his 13 ODI average in ICC knockouts. He is mentally weaker and this is another example of this.
 
No need of such threads. Even if ICC introduces that system, every team will have an equal opportunity to take advantage of it. If India proves to be the most consistent side again, good for them.

Lol here comes the cry baby again u must feel humiliated. Now I’ll say your favourite line Indian fans and mamoon deserves this humiliation
 
You agree with him. The IPL style playoffs make so much more sense and reward consistency and better performance. I am
All for it.
 
Excuses from dumb kohli.Knockouts are feature of big tournaments.If you cant handle them,you dont have true champion mentality.WHAT HAPPENED WAS IN THE COMING FOR YEARS.EVERYONE KNEW THE DAY INDIAN TOP ORDER FAILS ,WE HAVE NO BACKUP.Shastri and kohli are solely to blame for this,along with dhoni's leeching mentality.Wasted 2 years on karthik,shankar,rayudu,rahul,kedar - never blooding pant,never giving mayank a chance.Didn't give iyer a long run.
True.

These are all excuses from Kohli to hide his complete incompetence as captain.
 
Cricket world cup should follow football WC format with lesser teams i.e 16 teams, 4 groups, 4 teams each, then QF, SF and final. All matches will be vital.

A mega event should be all about handling pressure of Knockouts.
 
Just have India in the final and rest of the teams play for left over spot
 
A 16-seed best of 5 play off with a one-off final would be a great format for the world cup

Going off the latest ICC world rankings, this is what it would look like

#1 England vs #16 UAE
#2 India vs #15 Nepal (South Asian derby)
#3 New Zealand vs #14 Scotland (Could be an upset)
#4 Australia vs #13 Netherlands
#5 South Africa v #12 Zimbabwe (African derby)
#6 Pakistan vs #11 Ireland (Old rivals)
#7 Banglades vs #10 Afghanistan (A good match up)
#8 Sri Lanka vs #9 West Indies (The best match up)

Only downside is that India and Pakistan won't be guranteed a match up and the fans will miss out and the ICC + broadcasters will lose out on a lot of money.
Lol good luck making money with that horrible idea
 
I really liked this format of the world cup. I was a bit apprehensive to begin with due to the limited number of teams but it makes sense.

Every single game has been amazing. It's sad that some games were washed out but otherwise the current format has been brilliant.
 
People seem to forget playoffs would mean Team 1 & 2 play in Qualifer 1. That would’ve meant India vs Australia in this WC. Loser gets another chance to make it to the final. Not entirely bad idea. Ensures top 2 have a higher chance of playing the final.
 
#1 team should go the final directly. This will ensure that teams take every match seriously. This would prevent a team like India to play rubbish cricket against England once they have already qualified for the semis.

#3 and #4 should play an eliminator, the winner gets to play #2 in the second eliminator. The winner of the final eliminator plays the final with #1.

Superb idea, thanks for thinking this way! This would mean how important it is not just to qualify but also to get on top of the table! Adding to your idea - I want to remove this "TOSS" non-sense! Instead lets give the batting/fielding selection advantage to the deserving teams! (Let the "TOSS" stop at league stage)! No.3 & No.4 should play first, choice of batting/fielding should go to No.3... Winner of this should play No.2 again giving the toss-choice to No.2... And the finals between No.1 & No.2/No.3/No.4, the toss-choice should be given to only No.4 (for getting into the finals beating No.2 & No.3 - that's a good job!) otherwise No.1 should be given the honor (if they face No.2 or No.3)

But yes - Your idea also does not increases the number of matches - it is still 2 semi-finals (We may even call the first match as a kind of quarter-final - but a single one!)
 
At this point i am not confident of India beating Afghanistan in these major tournament finals under Kohli. Just hand the captaincy over to Rohit. Even with minimum resources he has won Asia cup. 4 time IPL champion. Kohli 0 times. Rohit >>> Kohli any day.
 
No. But now Kohli has said it wouldn't surprise me if this comes into place.
 
Kohli should shut up and resign from captaincy. This utterly useless fellow has the guts to ask for playoffs. India under him wouldn't win even in that format. Just shut up and move on.
 
Bring back Quarter Finals.

Upsets are fun. Predictable Worldcup is boring.

Maybe bring back ICC Champions trophy and turn it into a league but Worldcup to be taken seriously has to have knockout games.
 
Did the best side win the 2019 world cup ?Should knockout format become like IPL?

Congratulations to England for winning 2019 world cup.They were without doubt the best ODI side in the world since 2015 displaying great consistency and the most balanced team of the tournament.They ressurected themselves from the depths of despair in the league to stage 3 magnificient wins before the cliffhanger in the final.Above all England won the coveted title for the 1st time and had not even qualified for the semi-final after 1992.No side had such depth in batting and as many all-rounders even if India was more talented.England overshadowed New Zealand in the league stage.Even if the final was tied England had beaten the Kiwis,had a better net run rate and finished ahead in the league stage.In that sense England were meritorious winners .

However in this edition of the Cup India overshadowed England overall in the league stage and so did Australia.On merit there was hardly anything seperating India,England and Australia in the league stage while the Kiwis rose like a phoenix from the Ashes in the semi-final and final.Defeating arguably the best team India and morally overshadowing England in the final made the Kiwis the team of the knockout stages .No team in the history of the world cup arguably made such a spectacular leap in the semi-final and final stage as New Zealand.

England displayed resolute determination in the run chase on a most challenging track but were morally overshadowed in cricketing performance.Still I feel they would have won had they bated first and set the Kiwis a target.To me what needs t o be changed is the knockout format just like the IPL where the top teams have a second chance and 3 qualifier games are played to decided the finalists.Had this format existed then India and Australia would have had deserving 2nd chance.The semi-final method of this edition or before can be most unfair and eliminate the best teams.
 
The charm of world cup is knockouts. People remember 99 semi final, 96 QF and both SF forever because of the pressure and the way the teams lost and got out. If the teams had another chance and went on to win WC no one would remember those matches
 
The charm of world cup is knockouts. People remember 99 semi final, 96 QF and both SF forever because of the pressure and the way the teams lost and got out. If the teams had another chance and went on to win WC no one would remember those matches

Not unfair to the best teams?How many times the best team has not won the world cup!
 
Not unfair to the best teams?How many times the best team has not won the world cup!

If they were truly the best team they would have won. Also the best team did win, England have been the best team for 3-4 years now.

Since 2003 the best team has always won regardless of the format:
2003 - Australia best team
2007 - Australia best team ever to play cricket
2011 - India best team compared to rest in the torunament in those conditions.
2015 - Australia best team in those conditions compared to the rest
2019 - England best team for 3-4 years.

Only time best team didn't win world cup was 83, 87, 92 and 99.

83 - underdogs defeated the best team in finals. So best team reached finals no format can change not having finals unless you want team who top groups get trophy like football leagues.
87 - was in Asian conditions so I assume Australia weren't the best team. But I was too young so I don't know what happened there.
92 - the competition was close between top teams, one can argue SA, NZ, Eng were best teams but difference between them and eventual winners Pakistan wasn't that big.
99 - SA were best team however the team that beat them Australia went onto become the GOAT cricket team. In hindsight you can say Australia were the best team as they had many players who were at start of their careers who made the eventual GOAT cricket team.

So no it's not unfair to best teams. If you truly are the best team you will win like England did. Only time the best team lost to a far more inferior team to them was in 83 and like I mentioned even then the best team reached finals.
 
If they were truly the best team they would have won. Also the best team did win, England have been the best team for 3-4 years now.

Since 2003 the best team has always won regardless of the format:
2003 - Australia best team
2007 - Australia best team ever to play cricket
2011 - India best team compared to rest in the torunament in those conditions.
2015 - Australia best team in those conditions compared to the rest
2019 - England best team for 3-4 years.

Only time best team didn't win world cup was 83, 87, 92 and 99.

83 - underdogs defeated the best team in finals. So best team reached finals no format can change not having finals unless you want team who top groups get trophy like football leagues.
87 - was in Asian conditions so I assume Australia weren't the best team. But I was too young so I don't know what happened there.
92 - the competition was close between top teams, one can argue SA, NZ, Eng were best teams but difference between them and eventual winners Pakistan wasn't that big.
99 - SA were best team however the team that beat them Australia went onto become the GOAT cricket team. In hindsight you can say Australia were the best team as they had many players who were at start of their careers who made the eventual GOAT cricket team.

So no it's not unfair to best teams. If you truly are the best team you will win like England did. Only time the best team lost to a far more inferior team to them was in 83 and like I mentioned even then the best team reached finals.
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Every time pakistan loses to india in cricket etc, etc😉
 
It was some journo that proposed this and Kohli said it's an idea worth considering. I'm pretty sure Kohli or Rohit don't want to face Starc or Boult or Amir on green pitches 3 times. I have seen this story too many times on greenish pitches in overcast conditions.

I vowed never to watch cricket again if Rahul and Rohit didn't get out in the first three overs in that SF. Them scoring runs on that pitch means my mind is a dud and I didn't want to watch a game like a dud in the future. I got very impatient when Rahul survived 2 overs. That was a miracle in itself. That pitch and his panicky brain and yet he was still there for 2 overs.

There are 2 issues. One is the ability to play (defend or attack) lateral movement and the second is the ability to chase in big games. There has been no improvement in the past few years. India was 94 all out just a few months against the same NZ team in NZ in similar conditions and were packed for 180 in the warmups. A couple of freaky innings from Jadeja in the warmup and the SF saved India from further embarrassment. Focus on middle order that can hang around or score and chase. That's the only solution.
 
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Would only work for the finals

If we did this for every match and turned it into a best of 3 the wc would take 6 months.
 
new zealand topped the table in 92, losing only once to pakistan. they then lost to 4th place pakistan, and not a peep was heard of changing the format.

this time the same thing happens, and just because it is india, the format has to be changed to accommodate them.
 
new zealand topped the table in 92, losing only once to pakistan. they then lost to 4th place pakistan, and not a peep was heard of changing the format.

this time the same thing happens, and just because it is india, the format has to be changed to accommodate them.
Did this qualifer and elimination exist in 1992?
If you have a round robin league were everyone plays everyone, then, the top two teams in the league deserve an advantage!
I'm in favour of it but only for a round robin league format!
 
Why should there be second chances? It's a WC, the group stage had enough non-knockout games.
 
Did this qualifer and elimination exist in 1992?
If you have a round robin league were everyone plays everyone, then, the top two teams in the league deserve an advantage!
I'm in favour of it but only for a round robin league format!

did everybody play everyone this time? NO!. there were alot of no results due to rain. the table is then biased due to some teams missing out on playing weaker ones,and some teams getting away with a point against a stronger team.
 
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