Is Asia Cup the defacto Pakistan vs India series?

[Major]

We dont play series with each other, and only appear in icc tournaments. The only time the both nations play outside of an icc tournament is in Asia Cup.

Even than, the focus of ACC is that more matches between Pakistan and India are played where both are added in the same group, than a super four is held to make sure they play once again, and than everyone hopes that these two countries reach the finals.

Much focus isnt paid on Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Afghanistan.

The rivalries that were developed in pakistan vs india series are now being developed in Asia cup leading towards into the icc tournaments

 

[mominsaigol]

We dont play series with each other, and only appear in icc tournaments. The only time the both nations play outside of an icc tournament is in Asia Cup.

Even than, the focus of ACC is that more matches between Pakistan and India are played where both are added in the same group, than a super four is held to make sure they play once again, and than everyone hopes that these two countries reach the finals.

Much focus isnt paid on Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Afghanistan.

The rivalries that were developed in pakistan vs india series are now being developed in Asia cup leading towards into the icc tournaments

Currently it is because Sri lanka, bangaldesh, Afghanistan and Nepal are basically minnows, none of these teams will trouble Pakistan except for maybe Afghanistan depending on the pitch.

It's basically an India vs Pakistan series with a few practise matches against other teams spread about.

In the past however? No, Sri lanka has sanga, Mahela, dilshan, Tharanga, as well as great bowlers. They were a mighty team and not to be taken lightly, its why they won both 2016 Asia cup and t20 world cup.

Bangaldesh wasn't bad either with their 2011 team nearly winning Asia cup and their 2015 team smacking our minnow level team at the time. World no 8 lol.

It was a proper 4 tournament quad series at the time with Afghanistan up and rising in that era.

Now not so much.

 

[Major]

Currently it is because Sri lanka, bangaldesh, Afghanistan and Nepal are basically minnows, none of these teams will trouble Pakistan except for maybe Afghanistan depending on the pitch.

It's basically an India vs Pakistan series with a few practise matches against other teams spread about.

In the past however? No, Sri lanka has sanga, Mahela, dilshan, Tharanga, as well as great bowlers. They were a mighty team and not to be taken lightly, its why they won both 2016 Asia cup and t20 world cup.

Bangaldesh wasn't bad either with their 2011 team nearly winning Asia cup and their 2015 team smacking our minnow level team at the time. World no 8 lol.

It was a proper 4 tournament quad series at the time with Afghanistan up and rising in that era.

Now not so much.

yeh earlier it wasnt, but earlier it was not hosted as big tournament.

now it has become a defacto pak indi series due to no proper series between these two countries, and plus, the rivalries and matchs up that have developed. Soo much focus is on these two playing against each other

 

[Mesozoic]

Bangladesh prevented this by knocking out Pakistan in 2018.


Sri Lanka prevented it by knocking out India in 2022.


So.... Not really.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bangladesh prevented this by knocking out Pakistan in 2018.


Sri Lanka prevented it by knocking out India in 2022.


So.... Not really.

2018 team isn't as strong as our 2023 team.

2022 was t20. In t20 weaker teams can beat stronger ones. Odi however the better team usually wins. This is why I don't think t20 will truly replace odi.

The strategy, risks and game plan in odi is much superior to t20 where its usually just go from get go and hope for the best.

 

[Justcrazy]

Overall Pakistan has a poor history in Asia cup. They had pretty top teams earlier but surprisingly has under performed here. Even last time , they were stronger than Lanka , still they lost.

 

[Ab Fan]

Ideally, it should be India vs Sri Lanka as they both have won Asia Cup most number of times.

Pakistan are like a third cog who gets hype due to rivalry vs India and because India don't play Pakistan in bilaterals, so hype is huge. It's unfair on Sri Lankans who have won Asia Cup a mammoth 6 times but Pakistan are basically like "Begane ke shaadi me abdullah deewana".

Bangladesh are minnows ofcourse who seek for attention after performing once in 10 games. Sri Lanka deserves a better treatment among the Asian cricket nations for delivering such high quality performances in this tournament throughout their history.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bangladesh prevented this by knocking out Pakistan in 2018.


Sri Lanka prevented it by knocking out India in 2022.


So.... Not really.

BD didn't won the Asia Cup though.

Sri Lanka were Asia Cup winners last year also.

 

[Mesozoic]

2018 team isn't as strong as our 2023 team.

2022 was t20. In t20 weaker teams can beat stronger ones. Odi however the better team usually wins. This is why I don't think t20 will truly replace odi.

The strategy, risks and game plan in odi is much superior to t20 where its usually just go from get go and hope for the best.

Agree but my point was towards the "Asia Cup is just a IndoPak bilateral" argument when the reality is that there are two other teams who are capable of ending our tournaments as seen in the last two editions..

And Sri Lanka even went on to win the whole thing last time around so it's not just about India and Pakistan.

 

[VForVendetta]

Ideally this is what bcci/pcb/acc want & that's how they arrange the schedule. But since 2012, Ban & Sri have actually played more finals than Pak/Ind. Yes,the gap between elder brothers & younger brothers have really widened unfortunately. I don't expect any upset in a 50 over setup.But you never know,specially with lankans, since they are always extremely tough on their home turf. Then you add the uncertainties that both Pak & Ind have regarding top order,middle order, fourth bowling options etc.

 

[sweep_shot]

Seems like it.

Asia Cup kind of guarantees at least 2 Pak-Ind games.

 

[Farabi]

2018 team isn't as strong as our 2023 team.

2022 was t20. In t20 weaker teams can beat stronger ones. Odi however the better team usually wins. This is why I don't think t20 will truly replace odi.

The strategy, risks and game plan in odi is much superior to t20 where its usually just go from get go and hope for the best.

Not necessarily. T20 is just a different skill set. For example, the same Bangladeshi players are more competitive as ODIs than T20s. T20 cricket can be extremely hard and harsh too.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If the Asia cup isn't about India and Pakistan then the ACC should put them in seperate groups in the first round.

 

[mominsaigol]

Not necessarily. T20 is just a different skill set. For example, the same Bangladeshi players are more competitive as ODIs than T20s. T20 cricket can be extremely hard and harsh too.

T20 is a different skill set but in t20 weaker teams can beat stronger ones because a bunch of sloggers can normally single handedly win you games if they end up performing. 4 players can do quick fire 30's to 40's and normally win.

That's not the case in odi, in odi we need players like imam, Babar, Kholi, Steven Smith etc.

Basically you need both achrorers and strikers in odi to succeed along with a good bowling unit.

In t20 strikers and bowlers alone can win you games since they don't have to stay long. One striker who does a quick fire 50 is more then enough on most occasions. That's not the case for odi.

 

[Farabi]

T20 is a different skill set but in t20 weaker teams can beat stronger ones because a bunch of sloggers can normally single handedly win you games if they end up performing. 4 players can do quick fire 30's to 40's and normally win.

That's not the case in odi, in odi we need players like imam, Babar, Kholi, Steven Smith etc.

Basically you need both achrorers and strikers in odi to succeed along with a good bowling unit.

In t20 strikers and bowlers alone can win you games since they don't have to stay long. One striker who does a quick fire 50 is more then enough on most occasions. That's not the case for odi.

You've actually reinforced my point. You're suggesting that the team with players who can consistently score quick 30s and 40s is more likely to win games, emphasizing the importance of skill and practice in this aspect of the game. This is not merely 'slogging' or 'power hitting'; it's a refined skill set that players cultivate. It's no surprise that England, with their consistency in this area, are world champions, unlike Zimbabwe.

 

[Major]

there you go, they have a reserve day for this match only.

 

[Firebat]

there you go, they have a reserve day for this match only.

Asia Cup really has little sporting integrity when they pull stunts like this to try to compensate for disastrous scheduling.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Asia cup is a joke man. How is this fair on the other sides?

 

[Mesozoic]

Bangladesh prevented this by knocking out Pakistan in 2018.


Sri Lanka prevented it by knocking out India in 2022.


So.... Not really.

Well... there we go. Now Sri Lanka ends Pakistan's tournament. I don't think we're getting 3 Indo-Pak games in the Asia Cup any time soon.

 

[Ab Fan]

Asia Cup is a cricketing rivalry between two power cricket nations - India and Sri Lanka.

Pakistan are like the third less relevant cog who show up just to fill up the numbers like say, a New Zealand do in ODI World Cup.

 

[MP2011]

So have we won this series 1-0?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So have we won this series 1-0?

Could have been 2-0 especially since chasing under lights has proven to be so tough.

 

[MP2011]

Could have been 2-0 especially since chasing under lights has proven to be so tough.

True

 

[pratiktc]

It is not about who has won how many times.

Indo-Pak contests make Asia Cup commercially viable.

The tournament exists only because of this else it would have died same way as all other multilateral series (Aus tri series)

 

[pratiktc]

TV rights sale will not be as high for WC and Asia Cup if the organizers don't guarantee an Indo-Pak game.

Groupings and formats of world cups was changed by ICC to guarantee atleast 1 Indo-Pak fixture. Then what is Asia Cup in front of it?

 

[Ab Fan]

It is not about who has won how many times.

Indo-Pak contests make Asia Cup commercially viable.

The tournament exists only because of this else it would have died same way as all other multilateral series (Aus tri series)

So, winning doesn't matter but entertainment and hype matter.

Akhtar/ Afridi matters, Dravid doesn't.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I mean there are 4 other teams and they contribute to ACC as well. Different teams apart from India and Pakistan have made the finals in past tournaments.
What's the desperation about Pakistan playing India in bilateral cricket
Move on as Pakistan is doing well without India.

 

[pratiktc]

So, winning doesn't matter but entertainment and hype matter.

Akhtar/ Afridi matters, Dravid doesn't.

TV rights matter. And as long as they pay premium for Indo-Pak the Asia Cup will continue.

If bilateral relations get restored, ACC and Asia Cup will die a swift death

 

[pratiktc]

I mean there are 4 other teams and they contribute to ACC as well. Different teams apart from India and Pakistan have made the finals in past tournaments.
What's the desperation about Pakistan playing India in bilateral cricket
Move on as Pakistan is doing well without India.

Indian board doesn't earn from Asia Cup. Aakash Chopra had mentioned it clearly in his video.

The other 5 boards do. And as such they would all want to maximize revenue by marketing as many Indo-Pak matches as they can.