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Is Faf du Plessis underrated?

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These are his stats

Tests:-
Average 51.55

Odis:-
Average 37.16 (Has been 52 the past 2 years!) Strike rate :- 84

T20s:-
Average of 42.36 with a strike rate of 136 which is absolutely crazy

No one says hes a bad player but i feel he just isnt rated enough and is the second best odi batsman in SA currently because Amla is a choker. I just love watching him bat because hes so calm and is always in control at the crease. His recent semi final knock was amazing. IMO hes the most consistent batsman in the world when it comes to all 3 formats because devilliers hasnt done too well in t20s
 
Awesome batsman but i dont like his technique for some reason which is effective but not pleasing to my eye.

Best performer from SA against us
 
Very good player, but lacks that extra flair that separates him from the top tier players.

Has a lot more balls than Amla though.
 
Yup defo under-rated. His Test ave is yet to drop below 50 btw. Also averages close to 50 since moving up to number 3 in ODIs and one of the best T20 bats going around. Handles pressure very well too. Vital cog in the SA line-up.
 
His pant pocket zippers are world class and highly famous, that's what I heard!
 
Needs to play more big innings against decent bowling
 
I think he is rightly rated at this stage of his career.
 
I dont think so. In Tests he had/has an excessive peak state! He is a 40 or less averaging Test batsman. In ODIs and T20Is he is good. Deserves appreciations!
 
He is sadly overshadowed by ABDV and Amlq (though amla is a choker)

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The classic case of where people underrate a player who's effective but not pleasing to the eye.
 
Faf's average of balls faced per Test innings is the highest by any contemporary cricketer in the world. It is above 100 I think.
 
Probably not acknowledged enough but for anyone who has seen him play he is definitely not under-rated.
 
I think he is overrated and fails to impose himself when the going gets tough
 
I know I copped a lot of flak for this comment last time as well, but I stick by it.

Faf is currently where ABD was 3-4 years ago. He will become as good as ABD in a couple of years. Just wait and watch.
 
Good player but he will never become a GREAT one! I remember he was made to look like a fool vs Pakistan where his average dropped from 70s to 50s! :misbah
 
Nah, he has played some epic innings under immense pressure, case in point, Adelaide 2012.

talking in terms of limited overs cricket mostly.

Adelaide was an epic but Ashwell Prince played a similar but better knock imo
 
Very good player, but lacks that extra flair that separates him from the top tier players.

Has a lot more balls than Amla though.
Amla has more balls than Sachin, Kholi and Faf put together.. Has any of them played a series like the one Amla played in India? Every innings he played, he scored a hundred and almost took the team to a series victory.. and then went to England and batted for days when the series result would decide who were the best team and also in the process schooling Jimmy how not to bowl.
 
These are his stats

Tests:-
Average 51.55

Odis:-
Average 37.16 (Has been 52 the past 2 years!) Strike rate :- 84

T20s:-
Average of 42.36 with a strike rate of 136 which is absolutely crazy

No one says hes a bad player but i feel he just isnt rated enough and is the second best odi batsman in SA currently because Amla is a choker. I just love watching him bat because hes so calm and is always in control at the crease. His recent semi final knock was amazing. IMO hes the most consistent batsman in the world when it comes to all 3 formats because devilliers hasnt done too well in t20s

it takes a bit of time for SA players to get the recognition of their fellow counterparts for numerous reasons.
1) SA don't have the media hype
2) We (SA fans) tend have a love hate relationship with our athletes (we don't hype them up either until they're superstars), we're hard to please.
3) SA don't play enough cricket, thus the full cycle of playing everyone Home and AWAY takes longer hence the assessment of our talents takes longer.
4) Playing conditions in SA are tough as a result it takes time for our bats to establish themselves on the international stage.
5) SA play to many truncated tours (3 or 2 match series) unlike the other big boys. This means missing out on cashing in at your peak years. For example Clarke played 4 tests [MENTION=71635]H[/MENTION]ome against India and within a summer his average jumped to over 50. I think he averaged 45 before that series. Smith also scored over 700 runs against India last year. Cook in 2010 had similar numbers in Australia. Our players miss out on this privilege and have to tour or play major nations at least twice/thrice before gunning recognition.
 
6) SA came too late in the establishment of cricket i.e. don't have a landmark series to rival the hype of the Ashes or Indo-Pak series. That makes a low profile nation in a sense, even though we've been a decent side since readmission
 
He's rightly rated. A sort of a Kallis-lite whose job it is to stick around and be hard to dismiss. As of now, he is a supporting batsman to the likes of Amla and ABD but should become one of South Africa's main batsmen once those two bid farewell.
 
Reminds me of steve waugh

I've seen this a lot and I (eventually) feel compelled to reply.
Whilst I admire Faf for his grit, S. Waugh was more than that. He was one heck of a match winner who had a penchant for tough runs. Unfortunately I can't say the same for Faf at the moment.
He needs to perform upfront as well (i.e. 1st innings) and set games up for us, instead of rescuing hopeless situations. Only then will I tolerate any comparison to the great man. For now Faf reminds me of Faf, that's it.
 
Every time I see him, he reminds me of that zipper incident. Was made a fool of in the UAE
 
Amla has more balls than Sachin, Kholi and Faf put together.. Has any of them played a series like the one Amla played in India? Every innings he played, he scored a hundred and almost took the team to a series victory.. and then went to England and batted for days when the series result would decide who were the best team and also in the process schooling Jimmy how not to bowl.

Another Amla head who finds it difficult to differentiate between Tests and ODIs.

Amla is a clutch batsman in Tests, who has played some phenomenal knocks. On the other hand, he is a massive bottler in ODIs and there are no arguments in his defense anymore, except for the common logical fallacy of justifying his bottling by bringing someone else to the table.
 
These are his stats

Tests:-
Average 51.55

Odis:-
Average 37.16 (Has been 52 the past 2 years!) Strike rate :- 84

T20s:-
Average of 42.36 with a strike rate of 136 which is absolutely crazy

No one says hes a bad player but i feel he just isnt rated enough and is the second best odi batsman in SA currently because Amla is a choker. I just love watching him bat because hes so calm and is always in control at the crease. His recent semi final knock was amazing. IMO hes the most consistent batsman in the world when it comes to all 3 formats because devilliers hasnt done too well in t20s

He is a pirated version of AB devillers. :mv
 
Is Faf du Plessis a world class batsman or just good enough for South Africa?

I remember when he first started his career people were commenting he was the next ABD and he played a few clutch match saving knocks in test cricket, but he is not really a dominant batsman and if he really is the best batsman in the South African team right now then South African Cricket is in real trouble. Their batting is a horrible shambles.
 
Very good ODI batsmen and an above average test batsmen. An average of 42 is mediocre for a no. 5 batsmen in test cricket.
 
Mentally strong. A very good player of quick bowling and knows how to pace his innings. Also a brilliant fielder and very good leader. Should have been captain after Greame Smith retired. One of my all time favourite South African players.

I think he slightly underrated .
 
What is his test record in SC? Heard that he is worse here than Hafeez in SENA. In India I don't think he averages even 10.
 
Faf is 35 in a few weeks - wonder if he retires after the wc and then plays a couple of seasons in England as a Kolpak player?
 
People make fun of Hafeez in SENA, but what about this guy? Yet another failure in the SC, 142 runs @23 on flat pitches, worse than Maharaj, Muthuswamy, Philander, Linde with the bat. Not even a club level batsman in these conditions.

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Overall he averages 22.7 in Asia despite playing 15 tests across 7 years. Not a single 100, just 3 50s in 25 innings. How many times has he been called HTB, or is that term applicable only for the Asian players? This thread is embarrassing.

At least the Professor scores his limited runs in SENA with stylish shots, Faf looks ugly while getting his runs in BISU.

:hafeez2>:faf
 
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He is an average test batsmen but a very good ODI batsmen. Good vs pace and bounce and his inning in Adelaide 2012 was a legendary knock.

In ODI cricket, he did had an advantage that AB would be the next man to come to bat, so he generally took time to settle in but still he was very good in terms of his contributions to his team in ODI format with the bat.
 
Average test batsman, decent in ODIs. As for overrated, I don't think so. People don't rate him that high to begin with.
 
He is neither underrated nor overrated. I think he is slightly above average and that's about it.
 
Don't think his heart is into captaining the team anymore. All his buddies are gone; the team has gotten too weak. And he is getting older and his form is suffering. He probably would wait for the series win before throwing in the towel.
 
Currently on 195* (266) in the 1st Test vs Sri Lanka, approaching his first ever double century.

He'll be setting his new highest Test score in his career today, at the tender age of 36. Don't count him out yet...
 
Started off in a very high note, never really became one of the top bats. He is a good reliable bat and that's about it.
 
He falls for 199! 1 short of a double century and he fluffs it. Oh dear...

Mammoth innings nonetheless. Will be in good form going into the Pakistan series.
 
A brilliant LO player and solid test match player. One of the best fielders in the world. He has character. I am a massive of his. Hopefully he hangs around to help some of the new SA players and retires on a high note.
 
People make fun of Hafeez in SENA, but what about this guy? Yet another failure in the SC, 142 runs @23 on flat pitches, worse than Maharaj, Muthuswamy, Philander, Linde with the bat. Not even a club level batsman in these conditions.

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Overall he averages 22.7 in Asia despite playing 15 tests across 7 years. Not a single 100, just 3 50s in 25 innings. How many times has he been called HTB, or is that term applicable only for the Asian players? This thread is embarrassing.

At least the Professor scores his limited runs in SENA with stylish shots, Faf looks ugly while getting his runs in BISU.

:hafeez2>:faf

Another failure in Asia. Best conditions for batting both times, came in after nice platform both times, not some ATG bowling attack, yet failed miserably. Can't understand the hype this guy gets, an Asian player fails once in SENA and knives are out, a SENA guy keeps sucking in Asia and is still rated as a world beater. For many fans, legends like Younis and Sehwag are HTBs despite their multiple 100s in SENA. Their hypocrisy amazes me.

Here is another interesting stat, Faf du Plessis has 10 test 100s. 8 of them in South Africa, 2 in Australia. A 98 in Zimbabwe.

None in England, New Zealand, West Indies, India, Pakistan, UAE, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe.

Shielded for so long by stalwarts like Kallis, Amla, Smith, Villiers.

My firm belief that Hafeez is a better test cricketer than Faf.
 
So he couldn't correct his Asia record in his last series. Ends with average of 21 in Asia, over 17 tests.

Average against Bangladesh (48) is a saving grace, otherwise he averages 15 and 14 against India, Pakistan respectively across 11 matches in India, UAE, Pakistan. He got extremely flat pitches in UAE as well as in India in 2019 where guys like Maharaj, Muthusamy, Philander and Piedt were scoring 50s.

If an Asian batsman had similar numbers in SENA we wouldn't hear the end of it. Colonial hangover is strong.
 
Of course South Africans will back their players, nothing wrong with it. Faf was a decent player and deserves credit for a decent overall career. But us desis who keep dissing Asad Shafiq, Rahane while overrating someone like Faf just because he is from SENA, that attitude must change.
 
A good player. Last of South Africa's ATG test team.
 
I don't think he's underrated in test cricket, maybe so in white ball formats. At test level, he was a dependable middle-order batsman but nothing too flash. He was completely overshadowed by playing in the same side as his old friend AB de Villiers, but then again who wouldn't be?

He possibly clung on a year too long. He should have really retired after the series defeat to England last winter.
 
He's very overrated in tests, absolutely clueless against spin in SC and cries foul if the ball turns even 1 degree.
 
Faf du Plessis is not over rated or under rated anymore, a good cricketer with great character who should have achieved a bit more perhaps, but a good vet for SA cricket after the retirements of some key players.
 
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Faf is not underrated, If you wanna see someone underrated don't look beyond Azhar Ali

17 Hundreds batting in Top 3 averaging 42.xx for a team like Pakistan which has produced so few batting greats unlike SA
 
Azhar and Rahane both are better test bat than Faf.

Faf is a superior all format batsman though.
 
Faf du Plessis is one of the modern greats surely, he is one of the all time greats in limited overs and an above average test batter. We need to consider the fact that he has played some really amazing test innings. His debut innings been rated as the best in Australia in the new millennium. His hundred in the day-night test against Aus in 2016 is a prototype of character and grit considering the events which happened before the match. His innings in the drawn test against India in 2013 was outstanding. So he has had his brilliant moments in Tests. His record in India was poor but then on the rank-turner pitches (era of Kohli and Shastri), everyone who toured India has had a poor run except ABD. Even Yuvraj and Harbhajan bashed those pitches. Faf should have played better in Pakistan and Dubai where the pitches were far more sporting but he struggled. He still has a decent record in Sri Lanka against Herath and party. But this performance in Asia surely took a toll on his test average. Moreover, he has played at number 6 and 7 a lot of times, so the average is decent. His test average was 45 up until early 2018, fell down drastically in his last years. Captaining South Africa is a tough job.

In ODIs he has brilliant numbers which would have been better, had he played at batting positions 3/4 right from the start of his career. He played nearly 50 matches at various lower order positions and was averaging on early 30s by 2014. Since 2014, when he started at number 3 he owned that place and from there on, averaged over 60 till his last odi. His world cup career average is 57.5 so he definitely is someone who has played great under pressure and in big matches (World Cup semi-final, T20 World Cup semi-final, Series win in India, IPL final) Mentally he was real tough. His T20is numbers are amazing as well. Most importantly he never was a numbers guy like a few top batsmen who play for stats, score well against minnows at home and fake injuries when the going gets tough, just to maintain batting averages. Faf never did that so thums up for that. Comparing to Hafeez is wrong.. overall Faf is a much better all format batsman and a better test batsman than Hafeez, stats prove that. Hafeez was more of a brilliant allrounder which we should all admire. Putting a player down to make your favourite player appear better is what immature kids do. So we should refrain doing that and let's appreciate every cricketer's uniqueness. They have done brilliantly for their countries and have been selfless players unlike a few selfish stats oriented cricketers.
 
Faf du Plessis on losing all respect and admiration for Daryll Cullinan (from Social Media)

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What is the most appropriate attire to face 11 hostile Australians?

If you said a small white towel, you have a lot more in common with Faf du Plessis than you might have thought.

The incident occurred almost five years ago but has already been enshrined in cricket folklore.

During the first of four Test matches between Steve Smith's Australians and Du Plessis's Proteas, on-field verbal abuse escalated in the players' tunnel in Durban.

It was tea on the fourth day. Aiden Markram, who'd take his score of 85 to 143 before being dismissed, and Quinton de Kock were battling to save the Test.

Du Plessis had already been bowled by Pat Cummins for four and was cooling off in the shower when he heard a commotion outside the dressing room door.

With little concern for the optics, he grabbed a towel, tightly wrapped it around his body, and went to investigate what was going on.

He found David Warner hurling a torrent of abuse at De Kock. Violence was in the air and only avoided thanks to players on both sides. Tensions only cooled once Du Plessis' bare chest and shoulders entered the scene.

This is just one anecdote of a cricket life recounted by Du Plessis in his book, Faf: Through Fire, which went on sale this month.

But it's not a traditional tell-all which stitches together a series of first-hand accounts from a 10-year career.

"My story is about failure," Du Plessis tells the BBC. "I didn't want to write a cricket book. I wouldn't have started if that was the aim.

"I wanted to write a book about leadership, about relationships, about struggle. That's what this is about. I wanted to create something that people would be able to relate to.

"They might see me as an elite athlete and cricket captain, but I was a person who was filled with self-doubt and insecurity. And that's OK.

"I wanted to give people things they could then say, 'I know what that feels like'. I hope this connects with people even if they aren't cricket fans."

Warner is an important villain in the piece. That incident during the Durban Test, which ended in a 118-run win for Australia, was just the first flashpoint across a volatile series that would be the highlight of Du Plessis' four-year tenure as captain.

"Australia wanted to bully us," he says. "We had to stand up for ourselves. They abused us that whole game but the way we fought back turned the series around."

A week later in Gqeberha (formerly Port Elizabeth), Kagiso Rabada claimed 11 wickets in the match and AB de Villiers scored an unbeaten 126 to square the series. Both South African stalwarts offer a window into Du Plessis' psyche.

The former, a strapping fast bowler, was routinely hugged and often kissed by Du Plessis who wants to show that it's OK for even so-called 'alpha' men to show physical affection with other men.

De Villiers is another important character. Arguably South Africa's most talented batter since Barry Richards, he was Du Plessis's closest childhood friend.

But Du Plessis admits he often felt "jealous" of De Villiers.

Once he learned to accept this, he was able to find comfort in his own journey, one that took a lot longer to reach the apex of his sport.

The pair are not as close as they once were. De Villiers' sudden retirement was destabilising for a team that had lost Graeme Smith, Jacques Kallis and Morne Morkel in quick succession.

Dale Steyn and Hashim Amla were fading forces by this stage. On the eve of the 2019 World Cup, De Villiers sought a late re-entry to the squad. Du Plessis rejected the request from his old mate.

None of this was on their radar when the third Test of the 2018 series against Australia kicked off in Cape Town. By then, momentum had shifted.

And with South Africa once again in control, a young Cameron Bancroft was caught on camera stuffing a piece of sandpaper down his pants.

'Sandpapergate' is well covered in the book and Du Plessis expresses sympathy for Bancroft, whom he presents as an impressionable stooge, and Smith, a captain and player that has Du Plessis' admiration.

Warner, though, is a separate matter.

"He was a bully," Du Plessis says. "I don't have time for bullies."

Not that Du Plessis is throwing stones from a glass house. He makes no attempt to downplay his own brushes with controversy.

There was 'Zipgate' - where he was found guilty of rubbing the ball on the zipper of his trousers against Pakistan in 2013 - and 'Mintgate' - an incident in 2016 against Australia where he was seen applying residue and saliva from a mint onto the ball.

"I'm not perfect," he says. "I've never claimed to be. I've never been the most talented player.

"Yes, I have talent, but it's hard work and mental toughness that got me to where I am. I like to think that I've been able to control myself and take myself to places that went beyond my natural talent."

His 110 not out off 376 balls to save a Test in Adelaide on debut is the best example of this, though he does remember a time when his calm exterior melted under the bright lights of centre stage.

It was during the quarter-finals of the 2011 World Cup. South Africa were cruising towards their target of 222 set by New Zealand.

Du Plessis, "as confident as any man could be", as he says, walks out to the wicket in Mirpur and joins a free-flowing de Villiers with his team on 124-4.

Du Plessis defends his first ball, nervously. His second ball is nudged towards mid-wicket and he calls for a single that wasn't there.

De Villiers puts in a dive but is short of his ground. South Africa would lose the match by 49 runs as another World Cup went up in smoke.

"When that happens, your whole world stops," du Plessis says. "You're hit with this wave of pressure. It's like, 'Oh no, what's happening? What will the fans think? What will the media say?' You start worrying about the past and the future and forget the present.

"The New Zealand players were all over me. They started calling me a choker. I held a lot of resentment towards them for a long time."

Du Plessis was docked 50% of his match fee for shoving New Zealand's 12th man, Kyle Mills. Afterwards he received death threats as he was blamed for the de Villiers run out. It was only his 10th ODI.

He's hardened since then. His inner circle has tightened and no longer includes de Villiers. This book offers a glimpse behind the curated exterior.

It tells the story of a player at a crossroads in the game, a champion in his country's colours now consigned to being a freelancer on the global franchise circuit.

"If things had gone differently I could have played in last year's World Cup, maybe even this one [2022 T20 World Cup] too," he says.

"People expect me to not feel these negative emotions because I'm the leader. If nothing else, I hope that I showed that it's OK to be weak and lead at the same time."
 
He is an underrated player in limited overs cricket. His stats in test cricket justifies his talent.
 
From Faf's book describing how he was received into his domestic team. Disgusting behaviour from Daryll Cullinan.

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/cricket...sgusting-3e0c5a86-fd7e-4760-b4ab-c13647bbae9a

“Nos (coach Dave Nosworthy) joined us and started giving a generic speech: ‘Welcome, everyone. Everything is new and we will all need time to get used to it, but let’s make the most of this opportunity. Team selections will be difficult, but… ’

“I wasn’t really paying attention; I was sitting next to one of my heroes. Then, a few minutes into the speech, Daryll raised his hand and told the coach to shut up. Then he turned to me: ‘What the f**k are you doing next to me? Why the f**k are you sitting here?’

“The dressing room fell dead silent. Nos tried to brush off this interruption and continued talking. But, after a minute or so, Daryll interrupted again: ‘No, stop.’

He then turned to me: ‘Youngster, take your bag and f**k off! Jacques Rudolph is a Test player, and he’s not even sitting next to me. He sits on a chair, but you sit on a f**king sofa’.

“I froze. ‘Take your bag and sit in the bath’, he continued to scold. ‘You don’t deserve to sit here.’”
 
Excellent knock by Faf, 62(39), given a fighting chance to RCB
 
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Doing well in IPL

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Top run-getter in the group stage of IPL2023

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Faf du Plessis finds MS Dhoni's leadership inspirational but when he leads Johannesburg Super Kings in the upcoming SA20, he will go about the job in his own way:


"Obviously, the tournament is the most important thing, I just want to make sure I play good cricket. It is a great time for us to be still involved in the game. Then we'll see what happens after that." About leading a franchise forever synonymous with MSD, Du Plessis is always ready to pick brains of seniors but leave his own imprint on JSK.

"It was great to be part of that dressing room as a young guy. Probably my biggest learning curve was to work under Stephen Fleming and MS Dhoni. At the start of my leadership journey to see how the big guys do things, it was great to learn,"

"My first season, it was all about sitting and asking questions and observing. MS is captain cool, he is very calm under pressure and it is very important to be relaxed." It is important to have originality,"

"When you play under some great leaders you also understand that it is important to do things in a way that is going to work for you. You just can't copy different styles all the time."
 
Faf is gone for 62 off 28 balls, and along with him, RCB's hopes in IPL 2024 perhaps.

Faf du Plessis was doing the right thing by chasing an impossible total, but couldn't make it bigger like SRH's Travis Head.

Still, one of the fantastic knocks of tonight!
 
Faf is gone for 62 off 28 balls, and along with him, RCB's hopes in IPL 2024 perhaps.

Faf du Plessis was doing the right thing by chasing an impossible total, but couldn't make it bigger like SRH's Travis Head.

Still, one of the fantastic knocks of tonight!
He is the only one who is carrying the whole RCB team otherwise they dont have anyone on which RCB can rely.
 
He is the only one who is carrying the whole RCB team otherwise they dont have anyone on which RCB can rely.
Actually this season it has been DK with 226 runs at 75 and a SR of 205. Virat is the highest rungetter this season again for RCB so far with 361 runs at a SR of 147.
 
Actually this season it has been DK with 226 runs at 75 and a SR of 205. Virat is the highest rungetter this season again for RCB so far with 361 runs at a SR of 147.
Batters might be scoring runs but until Faf and company learns a fact that it the bowling that is going to help them win any event, they are not going to win anything in IPL.
 
Batters might be scoring runs but until Faf and company learns a fact that it the bowling that is going to help them win any event, they are not going to win anything in IPL.
That is a different issue. RCB are horrible with talent scouting and also with their picks during auction. They keep picking expensive international players without any logic. They never learn and it has been 16 years. They let go of Chahal, Hasaranga etc and are now playing with Will Jacks as their main spinner. Horrible management and think tank.
 
That is a different issue. RCB are horrible with talent scouting and also with their picks during auction. They keep picking expensive international players without any logic. They never learn and it has been 16 years. They let go of Chahal, Hasaranga etc and are now playing with Will Jacks as their main spinner. Horrible management and think tank.
But look at their bowling line-up. Siraj? He is not rated high in T20s. Who else is there to share the burden?
RCB's only drawback is their bowling, and it is their management who is working hard to play 11 big names who are all batters I suppose. They are not going to win anything if it keeps on happening.
 
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