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Is Fakhar Zaman the greatest LOI opener in Pakistan history?

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He is the first Pakistani to cross 200.

He has performed at the grand stage such as the Champions Trophy final.

Saeed Anwar failed in pressure situations such as the 1999 final.

Is it fair to say Fakhar Zaman has surpassed every Pakistan opener in history?
 
Yes, imo he is the best opener that Pakistan ever had. I also think that hes currently the second best batsman in the world.
 
Too early to say, but he has the CT Final innings. If he's consistent for another 3-4 years, he should be.
 
Imran Nazir scored a clean 160 but he is hardly mentioned as being one of our best openers. Fakhar is brilliant but lets see how he plays against Aus, Eng, SA, NZ etc.
 
yes he has been smashing Lee,Ambrose & Warne through these games
 
He has the most influential knock by a Pakistani opener in the history of the game

However, Saeed Anwar did it against the very best for a consistent period of time. Needs to do the same, which I'm positive he is capable of
 
It is still too early to judge him. He needs to show consistency over a period of time. 2019 WC will be his ultimate test, if he can perform there, he would definitely be the greatest Pak opener. But there is no doubt that he is currently in the top 3 batsmen in the world.
 
It is still too early to judge him. He needs to show consistency over a period of time. 2019 WC will be his ultimate test, if he can perform there, he would definitely be the greatest Pak opener. But there is no doubt that he is currently in the top 3 batsmen in the world.

Top 3 batsman of n.o 6 or 7 ranked team in the world ?
Fakhar zaman is not even top 3 current openers of the world ,forget top 3 overall batsman.
Pakistan has to play big boys someday like australia or south africa or new zealqnd, etc
 
Nasir Jamshed says hi not so long ago.

Salman Butt also a little while before him. We need to wait for an opener to score 5000 ODI runs first before we start speculating whether or not they are going to become the greatest.

To this day, Saeed Anwar is still the Greatest opener from Pakistan
 
No and not even close

Its too early to say If he carries on performing for next 2-3 years then yes he will be in contention
 
And just to confirm Its Saeed Anwar where limited overs are concerned
 
Pakistan have historically had very poor openers in LOI.. They never had a settled opening slot for long, so competition is pretty low..

If fakhar can have next 3-4 years like he is currently having he will be greatest LOI opener from Pakistan..

His only competition is Saeed Anwar whom he can easily pass by playing consistent for next 3-4 years..
 
Pakistan have historically had very poor openers in LOI.. They never had a settled opening slot for long, so competition is pretty low..

If fakhar can have next 3-4 years like he is currently having he will be greatest LOI opener from Pakistan..

His only competition is Saeed Anwar whom he can easily pass by playing consistent for next 3-4 years..

True, many others have had their highs and lows (Salman Butt, Nasir Jamshed, Yasir Hameed, Imran Nazir, ...) but out of all of them (post-Anwar gen, that is) I still think Fakhar Zaman is easily the best, as he already made news in just about more than one year of ODI cricket/not even 20 matches (CT performance, decent series in NZ as relative to others, highest score and cruising towards the fastest 1000 ODI runs).
 
Saeed Anwar for me but Fakhar has got an exceptional start to his LOIs career. Now I think he will be given a chance in tests as well, in 2,3 years time we will know.

But, in terms of having an impact in important matches he has gone right up there with his performances in the finals
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] , looks like the golden era has started again.

P.S. I like Fakhar.
 
He is on the right track. Thats about it.

He has only played 17 games. Remember this.
 
Wow, what a stupid comparison to say the lest :facepalm:

Just because Fakhar performed in CT Final and he should be considered better then Anwar? :facepalm:
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] , looks like the golden era has started again.

P.S. I like Fakhar.
I don't know why you and Mamoon are so pessimistic.. you won an ICC trophy by beating India, that's huge. You have a good crop of young cricketers coming through who are fearless and have already tasted international success. It's not really surprising you're among the top 2-3 favorites for the WC next year, especially if you continue to play this positive brand of cricket.
 
Saeed Anwar will be the yardstick for any Pakistan opener, he was world class by anyone's standards. Fakhar is on his way though so the comparisons are not outrageous. He's proving far more effective than many doubters first thought, while he hasn't got Anwar's elegance, his sheer ferocity makes him a formidable threat to any bowling.
 
Poor thread, as it's too early.

We all know how Jamshed smashed us left and right, and then the rest is history.

In future, yes he COULD be. But, it's not even a question as of now.

A quality opener, with a very good temperament. The upcoming WC would be a defining factor in his career.
 
He just needs a larger dataset of matches, on current trajectory he should definitely surpass Anwar since he has something valuable Anwar doesn't - an ICC event won off his own blade.
 
402 runs with 1 ton against non-minnows and he is the greatest opener from Pakistan? Let him score 8-10 proper tons and 2-3K runs then he can challenge Anwar.
 
I don't know why you and Mamoon are so pessimistic.. you won an ICC trophy by beating India, that's huge. You have a good crop of young cricketers coming through who are fearless and have already tasted international success. It's not really surprising you're among the top 2-3 favorites for the WC next year, especially if you continue to play this positive brand of cricket.

Just being real. And Eng, Ind, NZ, SA, Aus are the top favorites because of their ruthless batting.

We have some good youngsters coming up, but old TTFs and minnow bashers in the lineup RUIN our chances. Sarfraz the captain can't play LOI cricket, Malik is a proven dud in England or against any proper opposition.

These things do not instill too much confidence.

AND then we have threads like these, where Fakhar is declared the best opener in our history.
 
if you remove the nostalgic glasses, i believe Zaman to be much better than Saeed Anwar, as much as it pains me to say.
 
Just being real. And Eng, Ind, NZ, SA, Aus are the top favorites because of their ruthless batting.

We have some good youngsters coming up, but old TTFs and minnow bashers in the lineup RUIN our chances. Sarfraz the captain can't play LOI cricket, Malik is a proven dud in England or against any proper opposition.

These things do not instill too much confidence.

AND then we have threads like these, where Fakhar is declared the best opener in our history.
Aus and Eng sure.

But NZ and India are too flawed and SA just are not contenders with AB out.
 
I remember Aamir sohail.

Fakhar has just played 17 ODI games.

Sohail? LOL

Sorry, Sohail was average at best. I have seen him play in several matches. He was a glorified Shehzad. Cannot rotate strike. Used to slog brainlessly to match Anwar's class. Never impressed with Sohail.
 
Mentally and fitness wise he's a different animal to the so called Pakistani LOI batting greats.

Big fan of Zaman and has come a long way since last year when he debuted in WI where looked like a tail ender in the t20s he played.

But he's a fast and keen learner, a month or two later he was the one man army in Pakistan's CT batting line up and was successful in every must win game in which he played throughout the tournament.

We may never see a better individual performance in a 50 over ICC tournament from a Pakistan batsman in our lifetime!
 
This is the greatest jump-the-gun thread in history, I can tell you that.
 
Suggestion, PP need to come out with like 'emoji's' for the comments and thread, and this thread would receive double 'chappal' emoji from me.

Why?
 
He has the most influential knock by a Pakistani opener in the history of the game

However, Saeed Anwar did it against the very best for a consistent period of time. Needs to do the same, which I'm positive he is capable of

Saeed was a sitting duck against good attacks

He scored mostly against SL IND etc.
 
Sawed Anwar did not fail in pressure situations. He averages 50+ in world cups. Performed in every World Cup he played. Gave a start of 84 in 10 overs chasing 286 against India in India in 1996 QF. Scored consecutive hundreds vs Zimbabwe and NZ in knockout games in 1999 and that Zimbabwe was not a minnow team. Scored another hundred in a high pressure game against India in 2003.

Fakhar has not played a single World Cup and yet to score 10 centuries. He has a long way to go to surpass Anwar.
 
Nasir Jamshed says hi not so long ago.

Salman Butt also a little while before him. We need to wait for an opener to score 5000 ODI runs first before we start speculating whether or not they are going to become the greatest.

To this day, Saeed Anwar is still the Greatest opener from Pakistan

Sensible post.
However, I would say that Fakhar seems to be an intelligent and hard working player.
You can see improvements in his technique from when he made his debut against the Saffies last year.

He's playing straighter, he's been better on the pull shot and far more secure on off stump.

I think if he continues like this he's gonna end up being fantastic for Pakistan. He has something others don't and that is the right mentality. Batting is 99% in the head and he seems to have it where it counts.
 
Saeed Anwar best opener from Pakistan at the moment. We've had batsmen in the past that were good for 1 or 2 years and then faded away. I hope Fakhar does go on to become the best opener we have produced but he has a long way to go!
 
If Fakhar Zaman scores against South Africa in SAF then he'll have done more there than Saeed Anwar ever did in ODI cricket.
 
After 1 year your making a thread like this LOL? The harsh reality from making a thread is it shows how rubbish our batting tradition is when you think after 1 year of good performances you can be considered out greatest opener .
 
Fakhar has only played 17 matches so far so lets wait before we declare him the best opener.
 
I will only rate Fakhar once he has played at international level for 10 years like a Saeed Anwar or Mo Hafeez, because let's face it - you have to be seriously good as a batsman to survive for that long.
 
Steady on. Long way to go yet.

Saeed Anwar was amazing and probably the best opener I ever saw.

Fakhar has a way to go yet to reach the level of Saeed Anwar.
 
Steady on. Long way to go yet.

Saeed Anwar was amazing and probably the best opener I ever saw.

Fakhar has a way to go yet to reach the level of Saeed Anwar.

I liked Sharjeel more than Fakhar. His shots were effortless and he was naturally aggressive from ball one. He rarely mistimed the ball, unlike Fakhar. Although, Fakhar seems to be more consistent.
 
Imran Nazir scored a clean 160 but he is hardly mentioned as being one of our best openers. Fakhar is brilliant but lets see how he plays against Aus, Eng, SA, NZ etc.

An average of 24 is hardly anything to write home about. He was talented, yes but was too weak to be anything consistent. Plus he was too easy to set up. Just watch 2012 WC on how Steyn set him up.
 
Saeed Anwar is still the greatest LOI opener in Pak's history. Hanif Mohammad is the undisputed king when it comes to Test opening followed by Saeed Anwar and Saeed Ahmad. Azhar Ali however has a good chance of becoming the second best opener for Pakistan but let's see how he does in next 3 years.
 
If he can win us the 2019 world cup then yes.

Otherwise Anwar is still our best opener.

Did Saeed Anwar win us the World cup? Winning the World cup shouldn’t define whether Fakhar is the greatest opener.
 
Hold your horses op!

Not there yet, he's only been in international cricket for just over a year.
 
So far in his career, Fakhar has done what Saeed Anwar couldn’t do in his entire career:

-win a high profile ODI tournament final against India

That in and of itself is enough to cement Fakhar’s legacy for this century
 
So far in his career, Fakhar has done what Saeed Anwar couldn’t do in his entire career:

-win a high profile ODI tournament final against India

That in and of itself is enough to cement Fakhar’s legacy for this century
I can bet my house on the fact that Anwar had 10 times more skill than Fakhar, but Fakhar probably works ten times harder than Anwar ever did.
 
Sawed Anwar was class throughout a long career, still long way to go for Fakhar although you have to respect no doubt on what he’s achieved, a proper match winner M.A
 
The lad has lots of potential, but at the same time please have some respect for Saeed Anwar. As far as I'm concerned, this is disrespect towards Anwar.
 
Too early to judge. The thread should be " Can Fakhar surpass Anwar in ODIs"?

Fakhar needs to hit 20 hundreds in his overall career.
 
Did Saeed Anwar win us the World cup? Winning the World cup shouldn’t define whether Fakhar is the greatest opener.

Well Anwar has been our greatest opener of the past.

Shouldnt Fakhar have to do something Anwar didnt do to dethrone him?

Also, Anwar has longevity factor. Fakhar has barely been playing international cricket and people are calling him our best opener ever?

Either wait until Fakhar finishes his career and see his achievements then compare that with Anwar's, or the shortcut is, Fakhar wins us the 2019 world cup that that trumps anything Anwar did in his career.
 
Fakhar has a long, long way to go. He needs to carry this form over a few years, maintain his average, score against good teams.

He has one major advantage over Saeed. The coaching staff.

For years, our batsman have been satisfied with a 50, a 40, a 60. From Mickey's words, he asked Fakhar not for a ton, but for a possible double ton. You think Waqar or any of our past coaches would have even thought of a player getting a double ton?

That's his major advantage, Mickey will keep him hungry for runs, and the batting coach is professional enough to iron out his flaws, as we can see with how much more well rounded he's gotten.

Anwar though, had far better technique, timing and class. That said, all that doesn't matter, it's results which do, and Fakhar has a long way to go but has started well.

Well Anwar has been our greatest opener of the past.

Shouldnt Fakhar have to do something Anwar didnt do to dethrone him?

Also, Anwar has longevity factor. Fakhar has barely been playing international cricket and people are calling him our best opener ever?

Either wait until Fakhar finishes his career and see his achievements then compare that with Anwar's, or the shortcut is, Fakhar wins us the 2019 world cup that that trumps anything Anwar did in his career.

Technically, he did, he won us an International Tournament game against India, and won us an International Trophy. He's still nowhere near Saeed.
 
Good batsman, but not comparable to Anwar. He’s shots look risky and manufactured but Anwar’s shots looked natural, elegance and risk free. Fakhar does seem to be improving and his temperament is brilliant. In conclusion need more time for comparison and judgment.
 
This thread is disrespecting Saeed Anwar. Anwar was going toe-to-toe with Tendulkar and Lara at one point of his ODI career. Fakhar has a long way to go before he can even think of mentioning himself alongside Anwar
 
We'll judge after about 150 ODIs. To go past Anwar he needs to prove his longevity.
 
He has the potential to be the greatest but Saeed Anwar is still highly regarded. Fakhar has the calmness and mental strength to surpass Anwar but Anwar was one of the best and proved it for Pakistan. Fakhar can replicate him and even surpass but Saeed Anwar is ahead. Nasir Jamshed has potential when he first burst on the scene as well. Same goes for Salman Butt and Imran Nazir.
 
We'll judge after about 150 ODIs. To go past Anwar he needs to prove his longevity.

Exactly, calling him the greatest already is premature and that's an understatement.
 
PP has become full of premature threads.To beat Saeed Anwar Fakhar has to play at this rate for another 5 years at least.
 
Probably second since we don't really have any half decent openers apart from our number one Legend Saeed Anwar.
 
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