Is it right that Lahore Qalandars take a cut in their players earnings?

[Saj]

So I've had it on good authority that Lahore Qalandars are taking a cut of any players earnings that come through their development program or academies.

So if any players play BBL, County or in any other leagues, Lahore Qalandars take a percentage of their earnings.

In addition, those players are not allowed to register with any other agents.

Is this fair enough or holding players to ransom in your opinion?

 

[Bigboii]

Haris Rauf playing Qalander t10 instead of first class was part of this "deal"
and we were out here blaming the poor guy who was actually a victim of this predatory deal

 

[LeedsGreen]

if true then that is awful and needs to be investigated and stopped... completely immoral

 

[UzmanBeast]

Not fair in my opinion, Lahore Qalandars is a team that has placed last consecutively apart from last season.

They're not a franchise that is handing out enough money to be demanding these circumstances.

Should get a reality check.

Pay the players what they're supposed to make, otherwise you won't be supporting the league rather your own financial interests, which I understand are important but still.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

no. Seems like a shakedown.

 

[Maher96]

Might be fine for initial years. The programme does after all invest in these people.

But long term can’t dictate who and where they play.

That’s morally incorrect.

 

[ElRaja]

for better or worse lahore tend to develop more players than other franchises, rauf and hussain were completely lost to the pak system and while they are not world beaters, they were definitely good enough for t20 league standards.

lahore have found a way to monetise their player development program, and if this makes it self sustainable that is a pretty exceptional achievement for a franchise in a second tier league.

whilst it may not be ideal, the guys who have come through their development program earn way more even after the agent cut than if they were still playing tape ball cricket back home.

kinda makes sense how players like rauf and hussain were playing bbl straight out of psl tho. i think in a less than ideal world its an acceptable solution.

 

[Saj]

So, they don't have a registered agent amongst them, but they are doing deals with franchises around the world.

That is just very strange.

 

[RickyG]

It's extortionate but not surprising. Lahore's MO isn't to win the PSL. There is something inherently weird about that franchise as a whole. Look at the squads they built only to then play some guy named Muhammad Faizan.

Without the Qalandars, Rauf and Dilbar wouldn't be playing BBL.

Is there a way for someone like Rauf or Dilbar to get out of such a contract? Or are they basically stuck in it for as long as the franchise keeps retaining them?

Also can the players say no to a tournament? For example, can Rauf refuse an assignment to play first class cricket instead?

It really does explain how Rauf keeps featuring in our T20 teams or the test squad. This is the Qalandar offering some sort of incentive to our coaching/management teams to retain him.

It's really a sad situation that we've empowered a T20 franchise to this level.

 

[RickyG]

for better or worse lahore tend to develop more players than other franchises, rauf and hussain were completely lost to the pak system and while they are not world beaters, they were definitely good enough for t20 league standards.

lahore have found a way to monetise their player development program, and if this makes it self sustainable that is a pretty exceptional achievement for a franchise in a second tier league.

whilst it may not be ideal, the guys who have come through their development program earn way more even after the agent cut than if they were still playing tape ball cricket back home.

kinda makes sense how players like rauf and hussain were playing bbl straight out of psl tho. i think in a less than ideal world its an acceptable solution.

Disagree. Pakistan ends up losing when Lahore uses their PCB connections to get Rauf into the T20/Test squads. A franchise with this sort of pull is detrimental to our national team.

 

[ElRaja]

Disagree. Pakistan ends up losing when Lahore uses their PCB connections to get Rauf into the T20/Test squads. A franchise with this sort of pull is detrimental to our national team.

thats a completely different argument tho, i was only commenting on being agents for the players they develop.

 

[RickyG]

thats a completely different argument tho, i was only commenting on being agents for the players they develop.

Sure I understand what you were saying. My argument is that using the player as a cash cow is harmless until you're able to get that player into the national team with these connections because it'll increase your profits. And why wouldn't Qalandars do that? It gives their player more exposure and they get earnings with each match he gets to feature in.

Now if this 3rd party sort of ownership was by an agency not at all affiliated with PCB it would be different.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

It's extortionate but not surprising. Lahore's MO isn't to win the PSL. There is something inherently weird about that franchise as a whole. Look at the squads they built only to then play some guy named Muhammad Faizan.

Without the Qalandars, Rauf and Dilbar wouldn't be playing BBL.

Is there a way for someone like Rauf or Dilbar to get out of such a contract? Or are they basically stuck in it for as long as the franchise keeps retaining them?

Also can the players say no to a tournament? For example, can Rauf refuse an assignment to play first class cricket instead?

It really does explain how Rauf keeps featuring in our T20 teams or the test squad. This is the Qalandar offering some sort of incentive to our coaching/management teams to retain him.

It's really a sad situation that we've empowered a T20 franchise to this level.

From where did you invent that Rauf has been picked because of Qalsndars' pressure?
He made his way into the side after a stupendous BBL season, not because Aqib or Sameen Rana hold clout in some way on the PCB.
In fact the the latter are openly critical of how cricket affairs are run by the PCB.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This isnt an academy then. Its talent marketing and management company.

 

[Sir-fraz]

This seems shady and needs to be investigated. They have no right to take compensation for developing a player or to determine where a player plays.

LQ needs to reprimanded, either the owner takes this out of the contract or sells his franchise to someone else.

They develop the player for their own franchise, this is part of the psl brand to give emerging players a chance to showcase their talent not to exploit them after they made it.

PCB should look into all the franchises just in case.

 

[Rana]

It’s probably because they invest a lot on their academy prospects such as all of the expenses on their overseas experience. I think it’s fair, because the players know what they sign up for. And I guess they are also the accredited agents for the players? Hence it is a inter house agency cut rather than having a middle man agent who would take around 20% of the earnings

 

[Rana]

This seems shady and needs to be investigated. They have no right to take compensation for developing a player or to determine where a player plays.

LQ needs to reprimanded, either the owner takes this out of the contract or sells his franchise to someone else.

They develop the player for their own franchise, this is part of the psl brand to give emerging players a chance to showcase their talent not to exploit them after they made it.

PCB should look into all the franchises just in case.

It is perfectly fair if the agency that represents them is Lahore Qalandars ltd.

 

[shah_1]

It's not ideal but we can't deny that LQ do invest on their players initially. All the expenses are taken care of by LQ when players are sent to Australia. They also get to train in their high performance center

 

[Hasan123]

No one else does this. Don’t think a player should need to give his earnings to his employer which is essentially what some of these LQ player have to do. I know Lahore do a lot for younger players but there job is to find the best talent to represent Lahore at the PSL.

 

[RickyG]

From where did you invent that Rauf has been picked because of Qalsndars' pressure?
He made his way into the side after a stupendous BBL season, not because Aqib or Sameen Rana hold clout in some way on the PCB.
In fact the the latter are openly critical of how cricket affairs are run by the PCB.

And what got him selected to the test squad?

Not to mention that this is a guy who has an economy rate of 10/over that keeps featuring in our T20 squad. If it's not the Qalandars it's someone else. He's so bad.

 

[wrongun]

It’s probably because they invest a lot on their academy prospects such as all of the expenses on their overseas experience. I think it’s fair, because the players know what they sign up for. And I guess they are also the accredited agents for the players? Hence it is a inter house agency cut rather than having a middle man agent who would take around 20% of the earnings

What agent is taking 20%

Standard in most countries is <10%

If the Lahore Qs want to recoup investment costs for tours etc then I'd like to see the repayment capped at the EXACT figure Q spend on this player over & above what is normal OR a complete costing provided & open to audited by independent 3rd party.

Then Q can take 5-10% per annum for a few years until the investment is repaid or a period of 3-5 years and the deal expires.

I doubt they'd be open to the transparency as this seems really shady & against the spirit of sports.

Be far better of authorities just outlawed it imo.

 

[Savak]

My bigger issue with the Qalandars is that they forcefully forced the likes of Shaheen and Haris Rauf to play with injury in the last season. This needs to be cramped down upon

 

[Bilal7]

No one but the players themselves can comment on this. It must be worth it which is why they sign those contracts, no?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

It’s extortionate, players should be allowed to get their own agents, but clearly there will have been a contract that was signed.

Don’t regular agents take a cut of their player’s salaries?

The problem with this is the power imbalance between a franchise (especially the one that developed you) and a player, the player cannot help but feel pressured into making decisions such as this. It’s similar to office cases where a boss has a relationship with his secretary — the legality depends on the country and region but many office workplaces themselves have a strict code against it and for good reason.

The Qalandars obviously want to retain their products, without Qalandars these guys would be absolute nobodies. They don’t want the guys running away and finding another agent, or moving to another franchise—Haris Rauf would be picked up by other teams, possibly at a better price for example.

I can see why Qalandars is doing it, but I don’t agree.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

My bigger issue with the Qalandars is that they forcefully forced the likes of Shaheen and Haris Rauf to play with injury in the last season. This needs to be cramped down upon

They are resting Shaheen this season and I believe they rested Rauf last season.

 

[Saj]

Interesting that they tried to claim that Shaheen Afridi was their discovery too and attempted to get him on a Qalandars contract. However he refused and got his own agent.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

If the players signed the contract, then tough luck on them. Can't commit to an agreement, reap the benefits, and then not fulfill the contract.

 

[Saj]

So if Salman Mirza or Ahmed Daniyal go on to play in any T10 or T20 leagues then LQ will take a cut of their future earnings.

 

[Shaddy86]

So if Salman Mirza or Ahmed Daniyal go on to play in any T10 or T20 leagues then LQ will take a cut of their future earnings.

It seems fair for these guys as they were nobodies, they were invested in and given a platform to kick-start their careers. What good does it do to Lahore if the such players ditch them and go onto play for another PSL for more money the following year. Is it morally right, no but it happens all over the corporate world.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Quite the irony with the name 'Talent Hunt and Development Programme' when their players are/will be forced to play leagues instead of first class cricket.

 

[Saj]

Quite the irony with the name 'Talent Hunt and Development Programme' when their players are/will be forced to play leagues instead of first class cricket.

Well it won't benefit LQ financially if they play domestic cricket. They will however gain financially if they play in leagues around the world.