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Is it time for Virat Kohli to give up the mantle of Test captain for India?

Is it time for Virat Kohli to give up the mantle of Test captain for India?


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Bit harsh given that he got his team to the WTC final but if you are an Indian supporter, then you would have been a bit peeved at which he failed to make a difference in the final of arguably the most important Test ever!
 
Bit harsh?

A drunken monkey could have got us WTC points with wins at home.

Aus away tour was all Rahane.

We win overseas tests inspite of Kohli.

Not because of him.

As for anyone who saw Kohli's captaincy today, and still thinks he would have led us to victory in Australia 2020....

I can only pity them.
 
I said it in 2013-2014 that this guy is not built for tests greatness while Indian fans were predicting him to be second coming of Bradman ... He has been averaging like 28 for 2 years now. No ATG fails for this long time and that too at his prime (he is still 32 on paper).

In tests he is like notch above Azhar Ali/Pujara types while much much below Sanga.

I will say BCCI should have invested in Rohit Sharma at right time.
 
Kohli's contribution to Indian test cricket was going with 5 bowlers and backing of pacers.

He was essential for moving Indian cricket forward but now has become an albatross around our neck.

Horrible horrible tactician.

Team body language is awful under him.

And the less said about his antics, the better.
 
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He should resign from test captaincy and apply for the role of fast bowling manager. That's the only thing he is good at apart from making faces currently. :inti
 
Not gonna happen unless someone from BCCI has the guts to fire him as a captain.
 
He shouldn't captain anywhere. He is pathetic captain who can't bring the best out of the team and puts unnecessary pressure on his teammates. You can see the fear on Rahane or Pujara at various stages of their when they were blamed for lacking intent etc. As a PCT fan i foresee us breaking the WC jinx against India led by Kohli.
 
Not his fault that indian batsmen can't olay swing.
Theyve been terrible in england for a while now.
 
Overrated in many aspects and captaincy is one of then. He is a terrible tactician and leader.
 
Bit harsh?

A drunken monkey could have got us WTC points with wins at home.

Aus away tour was all Rahane.

We win overseas tests inspite of Kohli.

Not because of him.

As for anyone who saw Kohli's captaincy today, and still thinks he would have led us to victory in Australia 2020....

I can only pity them.

Such amazing riches of talent in India - a team like Pakistan would give their right arm for a player/captain like Kohli!
 
As brilliant as Kholi is, majority of India recent test victories have been with limited contributions by Kholi.

However, Kholi is too big of a player. I don’t see him playing under anyone.
 
On the day one man pulled a miraculous victory out of a certain defeat in the CT final in the same country, his successor has pulled out a miraculous defeat from an almost certain draw.

Tells you everything about his captaincy nous.
 
Kane looks like he is 30 years older than Kohli in terms of batting maturity and leadership
 
Dhoni was 1000 times better.

The infamous 10-0 or was it 12-0, who was it under?

Indians are ungrateful and have memories of a goldfish. Kohli is a legend and should resign only when he feels like it. Reaching a WTC final is no easy feat, respect where is due. He will come back stronger.
 
Bit harsh?

A drunken monkey could have got us WTC points with wins at home.

Aus away tour was all Rahane.

We win overseas tests inspite of Kohli.

Not because of him.

As for anyone who saw Kohli's captaincy today, and still thinks he would have led us to victory in Australia 2020....

I can only pity them.

Who is your other option Hahane or No-hit?
 
The infamous 10-0 or was it 12-0, who was it under?

Indians are ungrateful and have memories of a goldfish. Kohli is a legend and should resign only when he feels like it. Reaching a WTC final is no easy feat, respect where is due. He will come back stronger.

Atleast he didn't choke in as many knockouts.
 
Atleast he didn't choke in as many knockouts.

Its not like Dhoni was the reason for India winning those knockouts. When tailut like Rohit Sharma, Pujara fail then you cannot put the blame on a single man.

This guy has revolutionised your whole approach to cricket. You guys were a butt of jokes when it came to your bowling - look how Kohli fixed that. Something your so called daday and thalay didnt do.
 
Time for VK to retire or be sacked.

Need to invest in a new captain for India
 
Who's going to be captain?

Don't tell me Rahane.
 
Its not like Dhoni was the reason for India winning those knockouts. When tailut like Rohit Sharma, Pujara fail then you cannot put the blame on a single man.

This guy has revolutionised your whole approach to cricket. You guys were a butt of jokes when it came to your bowling - look how Kohli fixed that. Something your so called daday and thalay didnt do.

I have no doubt that Kohli is a far better test captain than Dhoni.

But Dhoni was just a clutch captain, particularly in knockouts. You can win one title by fluke, you can't win every title there is to win by luck and not captaincy nous.
 
The problem is simple. Who gets the captaincy then?

Rahane is not worthy of a captaincy spot. He was brilliant in the Australia series but can he replicate it as a permanent captain?

It has to be a batsman so not Ashwin. Rohit maybe ,not sure.

I think Kohli should give up LOI captaincy for sure because he is simply not good in that format and Rohit is far better. But in tests, Kohli should stay as captain.
 
The problem is simple. Who gets the captaincy then?

Rahane is not worthy of a captaincy spot. He was brilliant in the Australia series but can he replicate it as a permanent captain?

It has to be a batsman so not Ashwin. Rohit maybe ,not sure.

I think Kohli should give up LOI captaincy for sure because he is simply not good in that format and Rohit is far better. But in tests, Kohli should stay as captain.

Rohit "maybe"? Yeah, if India decides to play cricket exclusively in India from now.
 
Actually Ashwin is a good shout. Why does it have to be a batsman?

Does Ashwin merit a spot in playing 11 every time? It would be a folly to change someone who has kept you at number 1 in test cricket for so long until this WTC came.
 
I have no doubt that Kohli is a far better test captain than Dhoni.

But Dhoni was just a clutch captain, particularly in knockouts. You can win one title by fluke, you can't win every title there is to win by luck and not captaincy nous.

Fair point, India doesnt seem to have an alternate though.
 
The problem is simple. Who gets the captaincy then?

Rahane is not worthy of a captaincy spot. He was brilliant in the Australia series but can he replicate it as a permanent captain?

It has to be a batsman so not Ashwin. Rohit maybe ,not sure.

I think Kohli should give up LOI captaincy for sure because he is simply not good in that format and Rohit is far better. But in tests, Kohli should stay as captain.

Yeah as T20 WC and WC 23 are coming nearer.loi captaincy should be handed over to Rohit Sharma or we will also loose both of them
 
Unfortunately, Indian cricket culture is all about hero worship and making cricketer stars beyond reproach. Fans and pundits will continue to hype up Kohli while ignoring the fact that under him, India will continue to underperform overseas.
 
Because batsman rarely gets injured.

Does Ashwin merit a spot in playing 11 every time? It would be a folly to change someone who has kept you at number 1 in test cricket for so long until this WTC came.

Ashwin can play a Kumble-type role for us. He's a permanent fixture in the team and rarely gets injured.
 
Kohli is a superior test captain to Dhoni but an inferior ODI captain.
 
Unfortunately, Indian cricket culture is all about hero worship and making cricketer stars beyond reproach. Fans and pundits will continue to hype up Kohli while ignoring the fact that under him, India will continue to underperform overseas.

This.

The narrative should always be about the team being TEAM INDIA rather than being "Virat Kohli's team". It's embarrassing and makes the cricket team look like someone's personal property.

For this very reason it was so euphoric to see Team India under Rahane in Australia. A captain silently doing his job not acting like a maniac on the field, marshalling a 3rd string side into immortality while we have Kohli and Shastri here continuing to destroy what very well could have been India's golden generation.
 
Virat Kohli has bred a generation of chokers as Indian captain. It’s time to step down!

No matter what the format, india choke and lose against the odds in the crunch game.
 
Oh come on! One of the greatest players going around, and probably the most successful current captain, no way his team are chokers. Credit where its due, NZ was better prepared for the conditions. If the game was in Lords or Oval, things might have been different.
 
Ideally Kohli should be replaced as captain for tests / T20 / ODI

May be Ashwin as captain for tests & Rohit for T20 / ODI
 
Does Ashwin merit a spot in playing 11 every time? It would be a folly to change someone who has kept you at number 1 in test cricket for so long until this WTC came.

Ashwin is a smart guy , good personality & does enough to maintain his place in the XI. So wont be a bad choice. A bit like Tim Paine but I will take it as Ashwin is much more tactically smarter than Kohli
 
Who is your other option Hahane or No-hit?

Well...I don't know.

Either would do.

Ha-hane was the captain when we won the magical series in Aus against all odds. A place where everyone not named SA goes and gets thrashed.

No-hit was the captain when India brutalized an in-form Pakistan (fresh out of CT 2017 win) in the Asia Cup when there were talks about how India could lose without Kohli.

Team seems to play better without Kohli.

Must be something in the air.

Indians are ungrateful and have memories of a goldfish. Kohli is a legend and should resign only when he feels like it. Reaching a WTC final is no easy feat, respect where is due. He will come back stronger.

3-4 years back, such statements would get me worked up.

Now these emotionally forced cringe statements just make me chuckle a bit.

Maybe throw up in my mouth a little.

But I don't judge you mate.

You just haven't seen the other side

When you get to support a team that has amazing potential/system but is held back by a popular guy, you will kinda wish he doesn't have that much control regardless of how "amazing" he is.

With time, you will evolve and your views will change.

And in the future, you will come across someone else posting the way you do, but you won't judge him because you will remember you were once like him.

Argue all you want...but the truth is you are wrong.

You are just too young/naive/inexperienced to see it.
 
Who is next in line as India's Test skipper?
 
Can anyone explain why was Dinesh Karthik bootlicking Kohli so much in the commentary?

I mean....are they instructed by BCCI to do it or they voluntarily do it?
 
Well...I don't know.

Either would do.

Ha-hane was the captain when we won the magical series in Aus against all odds. A place where everyone not named SA goes and gets thrashed.

No-hit was the captain when India brutalized an in-form Pakistan (fresh out of CT 2017 win) in the Asia Cup when there were talks about how India could lose without Kohli.

Team seems to play better without Kohli.

Must be something in the air.



3-4 years back, such statements would get me worked up.

Now these emotionally forced cringe statements just make me chuckle a bit.

Maybe throw up in my mouth a little.

But I don't judge you mate.

You just haven't seen the other side

When you get to support a team that has amazing potential/system but is held back by a popular guy, you will kinda wish he doesn't have that much control regardless of how "amazing" he is.

With time, you will evolve and your views will change.

And in the future, you will come across someone else posting the way you do, but you won't judge him because you will remember you were once like him.

Argue all you want...but the truth is you are wrong.

You are just too young/naive/inexperienced to see it.

Totally relate to this. Even I was big Kohli fan till 2017.Post 2017 CT - I realized may be Kohli is NOT the right man for the job
 
Who is next in line as India's Test skipper?

Well Kohli is virtually Indian cricket team's Xi Jinping as far as captaincy is concerned. There are others under him like Rahane, Ashwin, etc., but they're just there for the sake of posts like vice captain and Kohli isn't relinquishing his captaincy anytime soon.
 
Well Kohli is virtually Indian cricket team's Xi Jinping as far as captaincy is concerned. There are others under him like Rahane, Ashwin, etc., but they're just there for the sake of posts like vice captain and Kohli isn't relinquishing his captaincy anytime soon.

Rahane is 33, Ashwin is 34, so neither of them are long-term replacements really.
 
I would amend the thread title to not just Test captain, but being the captain of India in all formats.
 
Rahane is 33, Ashwin is 34, so neither of them are long-term replacements really.

Maybe Gill or Pant. Though they're too young I suppose.

Controversial opinion, but I do think KL Rahul has an outside chance if he manages to nail a spot in the middle order after Pujara and Rahane either call it a day or get sacked.
 
Who is next in line as India's Test skipper?

It will be KL Rahul as he captained the other team in intra-squad match before the WTC

But this also means that it will only happen once Kohli announces his retirement.
 
Totally relate to this. Even I was big Kohli fan till 2017.Post 2017 CT - I realized may be Kohli is NOT the right man for the job

Yeah....it takes a while to realize.

When I saw him laughing with Pakistanis after getting thrashed black and blue post CT 2017 finals loss, I lost a lot of respect for him.

Can you imagine Gavaskar, Imran, Sachin, Ganguly, Dravid or even Dhoni doing this after such a loss?

Anyways....

Back in 2014, I used to fight an ENTIRE horde of PP posters (Indians & Pakistanis) in favour of Kohli getting the test captaincy over Dhoni.

The common argument they had:

"There is no alternative".

Well...Kohli came on and our test team transformed.

But time has come for us to move on from Kohli.

He is simply holding us back now.

As for ODIs and T20s, we should have moved on a long time back. We ain't winning anything under him. And if we do win, it will be due to ridiculous superiority over our opponent.

As someone said (I am butchering it but paraphrased):

"Every battle is a battle of will and not skill....unless the gap between skill is SO MUCH that the will is not tested."
 
some standard moves and it could have been a lot closer.

But its beyond Kohli
 
It will be KL Rahul as he captained the other team in intra-squad match before the WTC

But this also means that it will only happen once Kohli announces his retirement.

KL Rahul might have got it cos Rahane might be seen as a legitimate competition.

Maybe there is an innocent explanation but that looked fishy for sure.
 
Sometimes luck also important.
He can't even winning the tosses, can't beat weather.
Better give up LOI captaincy to Rohit.
He can continue in tests few more years until we find a right guy.
 
Unfortunately, Indian cricket culture is all about hero worship and making cricketer stars beyond reproach. Fans and pundits will continue to hype up Kohli while ignoring the fact that under him, India will continue to underperform overseas.

This is why Australia series win felt so special. It was Team India led by a humble unassuming captain who defied odds & won memorable victory with a B team
 
Sometimes luck also important.
He can't even winning the tosses, can't beat weather.
Better give up LOI captaincy to Rohit.
He can continue in tests few more years until we find a right guy.

Luck & toss was really no factor in this match ! India got bowled out in 40 overs today on a bright sunny day on a pitch with no real devils
 
I said this earlier also. I would take even Hardik Pandya as a captain in LOI's if Rohit Sharma isn't available. In tests there are only two options left currently ie. Rahane and Ashwin. :inti
 
It will be KL Rahul as he captained the other team in intra-squad match before the WTC

But this also means that it will only happen once Kohli announces his retirement.

Lol there is a good chance that KL Rahul will retire from tests before Kohli. :inti
 
KL Rahul might have got it cos Rahane might be seen as a legitimate competition.

Maybe there is an innocent explanation but that looked fishy for sure.

To be fair, it was surprising to see him get the nod ahead of both Rohit and Rahane. Who knows something might be fishy lol..
 
For Kohli, this is the third failure in big ICC events after the 2017 Champions Trophy and the 2019 World Cup.

ICC Champions Trophy 2017- Final
ICC CWC 2019 – Semi-Final
ICC WTC 2021 – Final
 
Problem with Ashwin is that guy doesn't even bowl with his best action to protect his body or for God knows what reason.

Instead uses a front facing action for most of the bowling.

Very injury prone.

His captaincy chances are dead regardless of how well he bowls.

It's either Rahane or Rohit for now.

Rohit may or may not have a test career.

I would go with Rahane considering he has been atleast improving last year or two...and the team responds to him amazingly well.

The best advantage is that Rahane would know his captaincy can be taken away any minute and might work harder on his batting.

We can always course correct if he flops as a player or captain or both.

The key is accountability.

Be it cricket or politics or anything in life, whenever someone becomes bigger than the game with no accountability, trouble ensues.
 
Problem with Ashwin is that guy doesn't even bowl with his best action to protect his body or for God knows what reason.

Instead uses a front facing action for most of the bowling.

Very injury prone.

His captaincy chances are dead regardless of how well he bowls.

It's either Rahane or Rohit for now.

Rohit may or may not have a test career.

I would go with Rahane considering he has been atleast improving last year or two...and the team responds to him amazingly well.

The best advantage is that Rahane would know his captaincy can be taken away any minute and might work harder on his batting.

We can always course correct if he flops as a player or captain or both.

The key is accountability.

Be it cricket or politics or anything in life, whenever someone becomes bigger than the game with no accountability, trouble ensues.

The biggest issue I think is that Kohli forces the issue of "intent" on his teammates. The way Pujara batted today, I would've never imagined him batting that way with a sense of urgency especially on a day when a blockathon would've served India better.

I never got the feeling that Rahane forced any intent talk in the series in Australia and let everyt play with freedom according to their own pace.
 
The biggest issue I think is that Kohli forces the issue of "intent" on his teammates. The way Pujara batted today, I would've never imagined him batting that way with a sense of urgency especially on a day when a blockathon would've served India better.

I never got the feeling that Rahane forced any intent talk in the series in Australia and let everyt play with freedom according to their own pace.

This might be the simple truth.

Maybe players don't feel that suffocated under Rahane compared to Kohli.

Pujara tho has issues and I wouldn't pin it all on Kohli but I get what you are saying.
 
This might be the simple truth.

Maybe players don't feel that suffocated under Rahane compared to Kohli.

Pujara tho has issues and I wouldn't pin it all on Kohli but I get what you are saying.

He makes point. Ashwin said that atmosphere under rahane was more relaxed
 
He makes point. Ashwin said that atmosphere under rahane was more relaxed

There is only 1 player in this team whose spot is absolutely fixed for the long term.
Thats Rishabh Pant.
Although it might interfere with his game, Im sure he will atleast be better than Kohli, he doesnt get agitated thats for sure.
 
The infamous 10-0 or was it 12-0, who was it under?

Indians are ungrateful and have memories of a goldfish. Kohli is a legend and should resign only when he feels like it. Reaching a WTC final is no easy feat, respect where is due. He will come back stronger.

Kohli is a legend. Dohni was also an infinitely better captain.

Both statements can be true
 
Problem with Ashwin is that guy doesn't even bowl with his best action to protect his body or for God knows what reason.

Instead uses a front facing action for most of the bowling.

Very injury prone.

His captaincy chances are dead regardless of how well he bowls.

It's either Rahane or Rohit for now.

Rohit may or may not have a test career.

I would go with Rahane considering he has been atleast improving last year or two...and the team responds to him amazingly well.

The best advantage is that Rahane would know his captaincy can be taken away any minute and might work harder on his batting.

We can always course correct if he flops as a player or captain or both.

The key is accountability.

Be it cricket or politics or anything in life, whenever someone becomes bigger than the game with no accountability, trouble ensues.

I have nothing but a gut feeling to back this up, but I reckon Rohit is the kind of captain who can take India to new heights, but only leave ashes and intrigue once he is done
 
Indian Kaptaan was heard saying post his team's defeat that the WTC Final should've been a best of 3 event, instead of a one off.

This guy seems to have lost all shame. Had he blabbered something like this before the match, it would've still made some sense, but to state something like this post defeat, instead of acknowledging how well NZ played, shows how shameless & brainless the guy is.

However, with a highly motivated & dedicated PR at helm, he shall come over this as well. And once he hits a few sixes in the IPL, his fan bois shall portray him as King Kohli till next Chaddi-payjama league arrives.
 
Indian Kaptaan was heard saying post his team's defeat that the WTC Final should've been a best of 3 event, instead of a one off.

This guy seems to have lost all shame. Had he blabbered something like this before the match, it would've still made some sense, but to state something like this post defeat, instead of acknowledging how well NZ played, shows how shameless & brainless the guy is.

However, with a highly motivated & dedicated PR at helm, he shall come over this as well. And once he hits a few sixes in the IPL, his fan bois shall portray him as King Kohli till next Chaddi-payjama league arrives.
This.

Kohli is even more shameless than Dhoni in his later years.
 
Indian Kaptaan was heard saying post his team's defeat that the WTC Final should've been a best of 3 event, instead of a one off.

This guy seems to have lost all shame. Had he blabbered something like this before the match, it would've still made some sense, but to state something like this post defeat, instead of acknowledging how well NZ played, shows how shameless & brainless the guy is.

However, with a highly motivated & dedicated PR at helm, he shall come over this as well. And once he hits a few sixes in the IPL, his fan bois shall portray him as King Kohli till next Chaddi-payjama league arrives.

You are right to slam him and call him shameless.

But your argument is slightly wrong.

He wasnt being an hypocrite.

Kohli did the same before the finals...

Said one game doesnt define the team.

This guy doesn't realize its the finals that separate the good from the great.

Imagine Federer saying a Grandslam final doesnt define me. Look at my win loss record.

This is why Indians are bilateral bullies.
 
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I have nothing but a gut feeling to back this up, but I reckon Rohit is the kind of captain who can take India to new heights, but only leave ashes and intrigue once he is done

Haha. Defo in LOIs.

Some players are great but never get a chance.

Before Dhoni, Ajay Jadeja was captain cool.

I dont know how many remember in this forum but he was a phenomenal ODI captain.

Too bad fixing put an end to it.
 
You are right to slam him and call him shameless.

But your argument is slightly wrong.

He wasnt being an hypocrite.

Kohli did the same before the finals...

Said one game doesnt define the team.

This guy doesn't realize its the finals that separate the good from the great.

Imagine Federer saying a Grandslam final doesnt define me. Look at my win loss record.

This is why Indians are bilateral bullies.

Not that I dont prefer 3 tests for the finals myself....but its the pattern of behavior that is annoying.

He loses 2019 SF against NZ and calls it a bad 30 mins.

Height of shamelessness.

And whats worse was that 30 mins could have been predicted from the moon the way he was building that team.

DK
Out of sort Jadhav
Sudden inclusion Vijay Shankar
Oldy Dhoni

Lol.
 
Indian Kaptaan was heard saying post his team's defeat that the WTC Final should've been a best of 3 event, instead of a one off.

This guy seems to have lost all shame. Had he blabbered something like this before the match, it would've still made some sense, but to state something like this post defeat, instead of acknowledging how well NZ played, shows how shameless & brainless the guy is.

However, with a highly motivated & dedicated PR at helm, he shall come over this as well. And once he hits a few sixes in the IPL, his fan bois shall portray him as King Kohli till next Chaddi-payjama league arrives.

And the counter from Williamson was brilliant. That this one off thing add that unique dynamic to the final that anything can happen. This is coming from a guy who calmly accepted WC final loss. Shows his character versus Kohli
 
And the counter from Williamson was brilliant. That this one off thing add that unique dynamic to the final that anything can happen. This is coming from a guy who calmly accepted WC final loss. Shows his character versus Kohli

Williamson is a true team player who can adapt his game to the requirements of the team, pitch conditions and match situations. He has many different gears. Had he been an Indian player his hype would be 50 times more
 
You are right to slam him and call him shameless.

But your argument is slightly wrong.

He wasnt being an hypocrite.

Kohli did the same before the finals...

Said one game doesnt define the team.

This guy doesn't realize its the finals that separate the good from the great.

Imagine Federer saying a Grandslam final doesnt define me. Look at my win loss record.

This is why Indians are bilateral bullies.


Fair enough bro. but my point being that you don't speak such ******** after losing. At the least concede that opposition played better, instead of finding excuses.

Also, his selection reflects the lack of grey matter anyways, & this isn't the first time. Earlier too during '18 at Lords, he selected Kuldeep-Ashwin on a green top & lost by an innings. Here as well he went with two spinners, while NZ didn't go with even a single one. I know it's hindsight but how can someone be so far off from reading the wicket?

And what's the intent he keeps speaking about?These same Indian batters who did so well in Australia after the 36 A.O fiasco, were seen batting like headless chickens yesterday, taking on the bouncers & going after deliveries that should've been left alone. Apart from his tactical errors, looks like there's an atmosphere of fear within the team, & at the moment, Kaptaan seems too powerful for anyone to stand up to him. I am hearing murmurs about how Mrs. Sharma has been having an influence on team matters as well, but this ain't the right place to talk about them.


The less said about his own form is better.

For me, he's holding this team back, & unfortunately, there's no one who seems to be able to do anything about that.
 
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