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I wrote a thread 1 year ago, after Pakistan’s Test match loss at Headingley, Leeds. I mentioned that gradually our inconsistency will become permanent and that will pave the way for our Cricket decline just like Field Hockey. But majority did not agree. I again put my case.
1) 12 Consecutive ODI losing streak.
2) Disaster Asia Cup in UAE ( home soil)
3) Test series loss at Home ( UAE) against Kiwiz after 49 years.
4) Whitewashed 3-0 by Proteas Away + dwayne Olivier. Lost ODI + t20 series too.
5) Even ODI series was 1-1 drawn with kiwiz at home.

PSL has failed to produce any magicians in last 2 seasons. Problem is poor domestic structure and obvious issues economically.

But we are genuinely going towards hockey way. And upcoming generation of cricketers do not look promising either.
 
Any time i see a lot of negative threads about pakistan, Pakistan team managed to surprise its fans.
 
I wrote a thread 1 year ago, after Pakistan’s Test match loss at Headingley, Leeds. I mentioned that gradually our inconsistency will become permanent and that will pave the way for our Cricket decline just like Field Hockey. But majority did not agree. I again put my case.
1) 12 Consecutive ODI losing streak.
2) Disaster Asia Cup in UAE ( home soil)
3) Test series loss at Home ( UAE) against Kiwiz after 49 years.
4) Whitewashed 3-0 by Proteas Away + dwayne Olivier. Lost ODI + t20 series too.
5) Even ODI series was 1-1 drawn with kiwiz at home.

PSL has failed to produce any magicians in last 2 seasons. Problem is poor domestic structure and obvious issues economically.

But we are genuinely going towards hockey way. And upcoming generation of cricketers do not look promising either.

NO

The passion for cricket is HUGE in the country.
Believe me just a single win and the whole country will be cheering again.
 
Same responses
Same mindset.

I belong to generation of those people who witnessed Nehru Cup win 89, Australasia win 90, world cup win 92, Australasia win 94.

And 1 win for people like me is not enough. We have seen piles of trophies which we used to win season in season out.
 
Same responses
Same mindset.

I belong to generation of those people who witnessed Nehru Cup win 89, Australasia win 90, world cup win 92, Australasia win 94.

And 1 win for people like me is not enough. We have seen piles of trophies which we used to win season in season out.

Hang in there.
They will come good sooner then later.

PAK cricket is here to stay.
 
No. The passion for hockey was never really there hence the downfall. There is too much passion for cricket in pak. We'll stay an average team at the very least
 
passion passion ?
Battles are not won by passion.
They are won by skills and strategy.

Talking about passion. I remember the passion of 87,92,96,99 campaigns.

This time majority of people do not even care. Passion and support is declining.
 
passion passion ?
Battles are not won by passion.
They are won by skills and strategy.

Talking about passion. I remember the passion of 87,92,96,99 campaigns.

This time majority of people do not even care. Passion and support is declining.

Passion means that out of the 220 million population there are bound to be some good eggs hence we won't be short of average/good players.
People will still watch the game and participate.
 
Passion means that out of the 220 million population there are bound to be some good eggs hence we won't be short of average/good players.
People will still watch the game and participate.

Goodluck to you dear. Enjoy 6 weeks of passionate 8 remaining games of Sarfaraz and company.

I will concentrate on European Cup Final tomorrow Tottenham v Liverpool.
 
Goodluck to you dear. Enjoy 6 weeks of passionate 8 remaining games of Sarfaraz and company.

I will concentrate on European Cup Final tomorrow Tottenham v Liverpool.

You just don't what i'm saying do you?
Fine have fun watching the football match.
 
No. The passion for hockey was never really there hence the downfall. There is too much passion for cricket in pak. We'll stay an average team at the very least

Hockey had huge passion in glory days. Every school had its own hockey team. Cricket was elite class sport whereas hockey (along with volleyball) was villagers & lower middle class sport back then. Even hockey stadiums were very large as compared to cricket stadiums in the country.

Here are a few reasons of hockey's downfall in Pakistan

Super stars disappeared (couldn't produce big names)
Pakistan didn't modernize in time
Poor management
Continuous failures in major tournaments
Rise of other extra curricular activities (video games, tape ball cricket, snooker, carem)
Mullahs declaring it haram

All the reasons have been there in cricket as well lately. It took nation good 10-15 years to realize that hockey has died. Cricket is on ventilator & breathing its last breaths.
 
Hockey had huge passion in glory days. Every school had its own hockey team. Cricket was elite class sport whereas hockey (along with volleyball) was villagers & lower middle class sport back then. Even hockey stadiums were very large as compared to cricket stadiums in the country.

Here are a few reasons of hockey's downfall in Pakistan

Super stars disappeared (couldn't produce big names)
Pakistan didn't modernize in time
Poor management
Continuous failures in major tournaments
Rise of other extra curricular activities (video games, tape ball cricket, snooker, carem)
Mullahs declaring it haram

All the reasons have been there in cricket as well lately. It took nation good 10-15 years to realize that hockey has died. Cricket is on ventilator & breathing its last breaths.

You Actually think people will stop watching cricket??
It's literally our only source of entertainment after movies.
Hockey just isn't popular enough in the whole world tbh. We won the HOCKEY world cup in 94 and hockey in our country completely died by '08 I think. Only in 14 years. Cricket still hasn't died coz we've been winning ICC tournaments at regular intervals or at least we make the semis most of the time. Cricket isn't going to die in pak anytime soon unless pakistan find another sport.
 
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Hockey had huge passion in glory days. Every school had its own hockey team. Cricket was elite class sport whereas hockey (along with volleyball) was villagers & lower middle class sport back then. Even hockey stadiums were very large as compared to cricket stadiums in the country.

Here are a few reasons of hockey's downfall in Pakistan

Super stars disappeared (couldn't produce big names)
Pakistan didn't modernize in time
Poor management
Continuous failures in major tournaments
Rise of other extra curricular activities (video games, tape ball cricket, snooker, carem)
Mullahs declaring it haram

All the reasons have been there in cricket as well lately. It took nation good 10-15 years to realize that hockey has died. Cricket is on ventilator & breathing its last breaths.

Cricket and hockey used to be played side by side. We won the CWC in 92 and the HWC in 94. The reason people lost interest in hockey was coz we became minnows in hockey far too quickly. Far far too quickly. Cricket on the other hand we were doing alright. Our team in 99 was arguably the best ever however hockey in pak was at its lowest point. People just preferred cricket over hockey thereafter.
 
You Actually think people will stop watching cricket??
It's literally our only source of entertainment after movies.
Hockey just isn't popular enough in the whole world tbh. We won the HOCKEY world cup in 94 and hockey in our country completely died by '08 I think. Only in 14 years. Cricket still hasn't died coz we've been winning ICC tournaments at regular intervals or at least we make the semis most of the time. Cricket isn't going to die in pak anytime soon unless pakistan find another sport.

People have already stopped watching tests & ODIs. They only follow T20 cricket & ICC events. News channels have taken over cricket & everything else as the main source of entertainment.
Regarding being played, you have no idea how much hard ball cricket has declined recently. There are no more free of cost grounds not even in villages. Cricket has become too expensive for average citizens to afford(ground fees alone for single 25 overs match is 10-15000Rs). Academies also charge more than tuition fee of kids. Average citizens are struggling to earn 30k per month, they cannot spend 8-10k on cricket.
Cricket is the last sport we had. Sports culture has died completely in the country. Evidences, Sports channels have lowest ratings on Pak tv, zero representation at olympics & other events, no more inter school sports events. Privileged kids have moved to mobile apps, poor can't afford it they have to earn their livelihood from very young age
 
People have already stopped watching tests & ODIs. They only follow T20 cricket & ICC events. News channels have taken over cricket & everything else as the main source of entertainment.
Regarding being played, you have no idea how much hard ball cricket has declined recently. There are no more free of cost grounds not even in villages. Cricket has become too expensive for average citizens to afford(ground fees alone for single 25 overs match is 10-15000Rs). Academies also charge more than tuition fee of kids. Average citizens are struggling to earn 30k per month, they cannot spend 8-10k on cricket.
Cricket is the last sport we had. Sports culture has died completely in the country. Evidences, Sports channels have lowest ratings on Pak tv, zero representation at olympics & other events, no more inter school sports events. Privileged kids have moved to mobile apps, poor can't afford it they have to earn their livelihood from very young age

It's sad to see. Maybe parents have prioritised education over sports. Choosing cricket as a career is just too risky. In Pakistan in particular sports won't get you anywhere. There just isn't enough money. Unlike in India where the ranji trophy matches give you a decent pay and in England the counties also give you a decent salary.
 
Cricket and hockey used to be played side by side. We won the CWC in 92 and the HWC in 94. The reason people lost interest in hockey was coz we became minnows in hockey far too quickly. Far far too quickly. Cricket on the other hand we were doing alright. Our team in 99 was arguably the best ever however hockey in pak was at its lowest point. People just preferred cricket over hockey thereafter.

& we are or have become minnows in cricket even more quickly. Won CT17 & struggling to beat Afg & BD since 2018. Hardly won anything in 2019.
 
There is not only one problem with Pak cricket. Unless the people running cricket in the country take responsibility the cricket will go same way as the hockey and you are actually already watching signs of that.

In modern day cricket talent can only take you thus far. In old days if you had one guy smacking the bowlers in all directions in street cricket he would soon have made to the top domestic teams and then the national side. But now you have bowlers who easily find your weaknesses based on video anlysis etc and you are done.

Just look at Shahzaib Hasan, Mukhtar Ahmed, Awais Zia, Rameez Raja (karachi) to mention some. They were killing bowlers in domestic but once they played for Pakistan they got exposed and they are nowhere to be seen now.

You need to revamp the domestic cricket first and foremost ( I hear that is happening now). And already from kids level the professionalism needs to be seen. Kids should be told how important it is to focus on diet, fitness and hard work to compete internationally.

We are still living in that age, eat biriyanis, halwa, niharis, go out and smack some bowlers or bowl as fast as you can, and that's it. This has to be changed.
 
I will get told that this doesn't belong here, but to me it is the inevitable consequence of being a Conservative society.

And that goes back to the word "conserve".

A Conservative society is by definition backward-looking, and respects the past more than it values innovation and progress.

Every form of cricket has changed - even Test cricket. There probably should be nobody over the age of 45 allowed to have a role within cricket administration or even coaching.

People went overboard about Sarfraz Ahmed wearing national dress at the World Cup opening formalities, but that in itself was a serious symbol of decay and regression.

People in every country have their historic traditional peasant dress, but it doesn't mean that you glorify it and treat it as your current identity.

I don't see Jimmy Anderson turn up in his flat cap with a ferret down his trousers, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1950's.

I don't see Andrew Strauss turn up in his bowler hat and suit, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1960's.

I don't see Germany's Leroy Sane turn up for international duty wearing lederhosen.

In sport the spoils of success go to the teams which innovate and progress.

The teams which pride themselves on conservatism just lose.

Pakistan's cricket appears to this outsider to be a microcosm of a nation which values the past and faith more highly than the future and science.
 
I will get told that this doesn't belong here, but to me it is the inevitable consequence of being a Conservative society.

And that goes back to the word "conserve".

A Conservative society is by definition backward-looking, and respects the past more than it values innovation and progress.

Every form of cricket has changed - even Test cricket. There probably should be nobody over the age of 45 allowed to have a role within cricket administration or even coaching.

People went overboard about Sarfraz Ahmed wearing national dress at the World Cup opening formalities, but that in itself was a serious symbol of decay and regression.

People in every country have their historic traditional peasant dress, but it doesn't mean that you glorify it and treat it as your current identity.

I don't see Jimmy Anderson turn up in his flat cap with a ferret down his trousers, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1950's.

I don't see Andrew Strauss turn up in his bowler hat and suit, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1960's.

I don't see Germany's Leroy Sane turn up for international duty wearing lederhosen.

In sport the spoils of success go to the teams which innovate and progress.

The teams which pride themselves on conservatism just lose.

Pakistan's cricket appears to this outsider to be a microcosm of a nation which values the past and faith more highly than the future and science.
 
I will get told that this doesn't belong here, but to me it is the inevitable consequence of being a Conservative society.

And that goes back to the word "conserve".

A Conservative society is by definition backward-looking, and respects the past more than it values innovation and progress.

Every form of cricket has changed - even Test cricket. There probably should be nobody over the age of 45 allowed to have a role within cricket administration or even coaching.

People went overboard about Sarfraz Ahmed wearing national dress at the World Cup opening formalities, but that in itself was a serious symbol of decay and regression.

People in every country have their historic traditional peasant dress, but it doesn't mean that you glorify it and treat it as your current identity.

I don't see Jimmy Anderson turn up in his flat cap with a ferret down his trousers, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1950's.

I don't see Andrew Strauss turn up in his bowler hat and suit, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1960's.

I don't see Germany's Leroy Sane turn up for international duty wearing lederhosen.

In sport the spoils of success go to the teams which innovate and progress.

The teams which pride themselves on conservatism just lose.

Pakistan's cricket appears to this outsider to be a microcosm of a nation which values the past and faith more highly than the future and science.
You are completely right this doesn’t belong here and has absolutely nothing to do with state of Pakistan cricket
 
I will get told that this doesn't belong here, but to me it is the inevitable consequence of being a Conservative society.

And that goes back to the word "conserve".

A Conservative society is by definition backward-looking, and respects the past more than it values innovation and progress.

Every form of cricket has changed - even Test cricket. There probably should be nobody over the age of 45 allowed to have a role within cricket administration or even coaching.

People went overboard about Sarfraz Ahmed wearing national dress at the World Cup opening formalities, but that in itself was a serious symbol of decay and regression.

People in every country have their historic traditional peasant dress, but it doesn't mean that you glorify it and treat it as your current identity.

I don't see Jimmy Anderson turn up in his flat cap with a ferret down his trousers, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1950's.

I don't see Andrew Strauss turn up in his bowler hat and suit, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1960's.

I don't see Germany's Leroy Sane turn up for international duty wearing lederhosen.

In sport the spoils of success go to the teams which innovate and progress.

The teams which pride themselves on conservatism just lose.

Pakistan's cricket appears to this outsider to be a microcosm of a nation which values the past and faith more highly than the future and science.

90% of this post is utter rubbish, with all respect.
 
You are completely right this doesn’t belong here and has absolutely nothing to do with state of Pakistan cricket
I don't know.

But consider this: the only western country in which conservatism is viewed as a virtue is the USA.

And the USA has never been able to compete successfully in any global team sport. They have their own sports at which they excel, and I applaud them for that, but they can't even compete with Mexico in football, for example.

I'm not arguing against conservatism as a social value. I'm saying that when a conservative society allows its sports to be run by old men - like the PCB - you end up stuck in the past and you cannot compete.
 
There is not only one problem with Pak cricket. Unless the people running cricket in the country take responsibility the cricket will go same way as the hockey and you are actually already watching signs of that.

In modern day cricket talent can only take you thus far. In old days if you had one guy smacking the bowlers in all directions in street cricket he would soon have made to the top domestic teams and then the national side. But now you have bowlers who easily find your weaknesses based on video anlysis etc and you are done.

Just look at Shahzaib Hasan, Mukhtar Ahmed, Awais Zia, Rameez Raja (karachi) to mention some. They were killing bowlers in domestic but once they played for Pakistan they got exposed and they are nowhere to be seen now.

You need to revamp the domestic cricket first and foremost ( I hear that is happening now). And already from kids level the professionalism needs to be seen. Kids should be told how important it is to focus on diet, fitness and hard work to compete internationally.

We are still living in that age, eat biriyanis, halwa, niharis, go out and smack some bowlers or bowl as fast as you can, and that's it. This has to be changed.
So true.

I follow U Akmal on Snapchat and it will be suffice to say that the guy is a real face of what’s going on domestically. I was shocked to see parathes and fry andes on his table.
 
I will get told that this doesn't belong here, but to me it is the inevitable consequence of being a Conservative society.

And that goes back to the word "conserve".

A Conservative society is by definition backward-looking, and respects the past more than it values innovation and progress.

Every form of cricket has changed - even Test cricket. There probably should be nobody over the age of 45 allowed to have a role within cricket administration or even coaching.

People went overboard about Sarfraz Ahmed wearing national dress at the World Cup opening formalities, but that in itself was a serious symbol of decay and regression.

People in every country have their historic traditional peasant dress, but it doesn't mean that you glorify it and treat it as your current identity.

I don't see Jimmy Anderson turn up in his flat cap with a ferret down his trousers, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1950's.

I don't see Andrew Strauss turn up in his bowler hat and suit, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1960's.

I don't see Germany's Leroy Sane turn up for international duty wearing lederhosen.

In sport the spoils of success go to the teams which innovate and progress.

The teams which pride themselves on conservatism just lose.

Pakistan's cricket appears to this outsider to be a microcosm of a nation which values the past and faith more highly than the future and science.

What you have written not sure how much applicable for the state of PAK cricket, but I am sure most of those are applicable for India as well (don't go by what Bollywood shows) and they are doing damn good in cricket (actually not only in cricket).

Truth is, PAK's cricket success was from borrowed money - Counties developed the cream, they didn't realize it when Counties stopped doing that favor .... they are still not realizing it because of winning WC in 1992 or CT in 2017 ... the day it is realized, PCB will start to rectify their acts, PP will start to be more humble and PCT will start to do well.
 
Bizarre rant from junaid.

Also, a lot of people from India and Pakistan like using hockey as an analogy without even understanding any of it's history.

Hockey, even now, is an amateur sport and any nation can become a world beater within a decade. Cricket has become professionalized enough that there are no easy solutions.

You need to build a proper coaching and developmental setup, which county cricket used to be for Pakistan in the past.
 
What you have written not sure how much applicable for the state of PAK cricket, but I am sure most of those are applicable for India as well (don't go by what Bollywood shows) and they are doing damn good in cricket (actually not only in cricket).

Truth is, PAK's cricket success was from borrowed money - Counties developed the cream, they didn't realize it when Counties stopped doing that favor .... they are still not realizing it because of winning WC in 1992 or CT in 2017 ... the day it is realized, PCB will start to rectify their acts, PP will start to be more humble and PCT will start to do well.

Now you see, I actually disagree with you on this.

India's success in cricket comes from them taking a much more progressive and much less conservative approach to cricket.

Lalit Modi was an absolute revolutionary: it was his embrace of modern westernized club sport which saw the IPL become an incubator in which young (and not so young) Indian cricketers were immersed with elite western players. It may only be T20, but the whole Shahid Afridi/Umar Akmal model of "Don't train, live off a couple of good performances a year" was totally terminated in India.

The same applies to India's approach to coaching.

Dav Whatmore is cricket's equivalent of Neil Warnock: a journeyman coach.

Geoff Lawson is cricket's equivalent of Paolo Di Canio: a famous ex-player with no coaching credentials.

Mickey Arthur is cricket's equivalent of Steve McClaren: a technically strong coach who gets sacked with alarming regularity.

Inzamam-ul-Haq has no western equivalent: a man with absolutely no credentials for the chief selector's job who was employed because he seemed pious. The equivalent of making a TV evangelist into your national selector.

Meanwhile India consistently employs elite overseas coaches who are on a far higher level, from Gary Kirsten to John Wright.

I agree that both India and Pakistan are conservative societies. But one of them has aggressively reformed its domestic game and coaching set up, while the other lives in the past.
 
Teams have started to take Cricket more seriously. They know if they want to survive in this sport, then they need to win. Just look at this WC. It's hard to guess who is going to win the tournament. With Pakistan's off-field troubles, this was always on the cards.
 
I agree with your observations, you have read the situation well. I think we are going there fast now, until and unless we find power hitters, but looking at the state of domestic players I am not that hopeful right now. I think it will be format wise. First it will be Test cricket, as the current Test team has to be the weakest of all time in our history. I feel we will enter the minnows category in Test format soon. I think the same will apply to LOI formats as well soon, as we don't have reliable power hitters. This old school mentality of finding technically sound batsmen must be discarded, it feels outdated. These useless talent hunts must be discarded as well. PCB must scout for power hitters in the country, and bring them to domestic cricket. Select as many power hitters as you can in domestic cricket. I think Test cricket is evolving too, as the run rates have increased with time.
 
Now you see, I actually disagree with you on this.

India's success in cricket comes from them taking a much more progressive and much less conservative approach to cricket.

Lalit Modi was an absolute revolutionary: it was his embrace of modern westernized club sport which saw the IPL become an incubator in which young (and not so young) Indian cricketers were immersed with elite western players. It may only be T20, but the whole Shahid Afridi/Umar Akmal model of "Don't train, live off a couple of good performances a year" was totally terminated in India.

The same applies to India's approach to coaching.

Dav Whatmore is cricket's equivalent of Neil Warnock: a journeyman coach.

Geoff Lawson is cricket's equivalent of Paolo Di Canio: a famous ex-player with no coaching credentials.

Mickey Arthur is cricket's equivalent of Steve McClaren: a technically strong coach who gets sacked with alarming regularity.

Inzamam-ul-Haq has no western equivalent: a man with absolutely no credentials for the chief selector's job who was employed because he seemed pious. The equivalent of making a TV evangelist into your national selector.

Meanwhile India consistently employs elite overseas coaches who are on a far higher level, from Gary Kirsten to John Wright.

I agree that both India and Pakistan are conservative societies. But one of them has aggressively reformed its domestic game and coaching set up, while the other lives in the past.

India's first overseas Coach was J Wright, then Greg Chappel, D Fletcher, G Kirsten - these Coaches became famous (or infamous) with India, not before. Also, Dav was Indian Junior Coach for 4-5 years.

What L Modi did is pure business, which has given BCCI financial muscle, not sure how much IPL is helping Indian cricket on field. They are channeling IPL money to domestic cricket, which I am sure was the model even 100 years back, when ENG used to play professional cricket and the money pumped by the game was reinvested to County cricket. And, more or less every board now is doing the same - making money from such franchise leagues. But, every team actually is more conventional regarding the importance of Franchise League in their cricket at top level - IND didn't pick Pant or few other IPL stars, same for BD - only it's PCB that has "modernized" and has made PSL the Bible of PAK cricket.

Dav Whatmore is a better coach than most modern lap top coaches - he was the mastermind in development of two emerging nations. Not to mention SRL, today all 5 senior BD players were hand picked by him almost from school cricket. And, he had 5 years with SRL, 5 with BD and 5 at NCA Bangalore - which doesn't suggest to be a frequent a journeyman. Lawson was doing fantastic PAK team before being sacked, while Arthur had one of the most impressive resumes around. I should mention that PCB appointed the most sought after Coach 16 years back.

Inzamam was never appointed for his religious connections. Apart from looking pious, he had a small resume of playing for PAK for 17 years as one of the greats of the game, leading the side for 4 years and being the coach of AFG team for a hefty wage. He could be a failure as CS, but suggesting him to be equivalent of a Tv evangelist as CS, is probably the most hilarious comment I had ever read in PP.

PAK's domestic games are messed for different reason and conservatism has absolutely nothing in that. BD is also a Muslim dominant country and equally conservative - it didn't stop BCB to adopt Aussie model into their system, neither appointing foreigners (from western countries) as coach. Regarding reforms & coaching staffs - there is a Govt. appointed official running BCCI for 3 years now, and their head coach is Ravi Shastri, FGS.

"Don't train" culture isn't conservatism, it's lack of professionalism and loose standard set by PCB - otherwise even in 80s with Zia Ul Haq's Islamic Pakistan, Imran, Akran, Waquar were the hardest worker in the game.
 
The rest of the cricket world has professionalised but Pakistan hasn't. It's no surprise teams with the least professional structures like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies are ranked so low with only a few sporadic victories to savour.

One of the biggest problems is a lack of competitive and intense cricket at domestic level. There are too many one sided FC matches played in front of sparse crowds, 2-3 strong teams dominating a mediocre bunch. This is inadequate preparation for international cricket when you play in front of baying crowds and a televised audience.

However we have talked about fixing the domestic structure for 15+ years and nothing changes so permanent lower to mid table mediocrity is our ceiling.
 
I will get told that this doesn't belong here, but to me it is the inevitable consequence of being a Conservative society.

And that goes back to the word "conserve".

A Conservative society is by definition backward-looking, and respects the past more than it values innovation and progress.

Every form of cricket has changed - even Test cricket. There probably should be nobody over the age of 45 allowed to have a role within cricket administration or even coaching.

People went overboard about Sarfraz Ahmed wearing national dress at the World Cup opening formalities, but that in itself was a serious symbol of decay and regression.

People in every country have their historic traditional peasant dress, but it doesn't mean that you glorify it and treat it as your current identity.

I don't see Jimmy Anderson turn up in his flat cap with a ferret down his trousers, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1950's.

I don't see Andrew Strauss turn up in his bowler hat and suit, even though his grandfather would have up to the late 1960's.

I don't see Germany's Leroy Sane turn up for international duty wearing lederhosen.

In sport the spoils of success go to the teams which innovate and progress.

The teams which pride themselves on conservatism just lose.

Pakistan's cricket appears to this outsider to be a microcosm of a nation which values the past and faith more highly than the future and science.

Great post.

The support for Sarfraz was baffling too.
 
How correct i was.
But i was lectured by so many people about passion and jazba.
 
How correct i was.
But i was lectured by so many people about passion and jazba.

But It just isn't going to go the hockey way. Pak will just stay a mediocre team at worst.
Cricket is literally our only source of entertainment (sports wise).
 
How correct i was.
But i was lectured by so many people about passion and jazba.

Filed Hockey is almost dead in Pakistan is almost dead in India, it is only alive now because of the money being pumped by Corporate sponsors.

Pakistan's cicket has been in serious decline for quite a few years now. All these euphisms such as "unprecitable, cornered tigers, passionate against a prticular team (India), On-their day etc" are simply masking the medocricity and sub-par performance of the current breed of Pakistan players. If fans are still looking at former wanna bee's such as Akmal's etc then their is omething seriously wrong. Paksitan should be identifying and building the next breed of players and nurturing the ones who are are capable and have the potential otherwise most of them will end up as Akmals who came and fell along the way
 
Filed Hockey is almost dead in Pakistan is almost dead in India, it is only alive now because of the money being pumped by Corporate sponsors.

Pakistan's cicket has been in serious decline for quite a few years now. All these euphisms such as "unprecitable, cornered tigers, passionate against a prticular team (India), On-their day etc" are simply masking the medocricity and sub-par performance of the current breed of Pakistan players. If fans are still looking at former wanna bee's such as Akmal's etc then their is omething seriously wrong. Paksitan should be identifying and building the next breed of players and nurturing the ones who are are capable and have the potential otherwise most of them will end up as Akmals who came and fell along the way

Next good breed ? No it will not happen. Because younger generation is more into social media and other avenues of interest. Back in 1980’s and early 90’s there was no medium of entertainment for youth so they played lot of sports. But that is not the case in Pakistan anymore. I am lucky to have seen hockey and cricket world cup wins in 1994/1992 respectively. I am ok no regrets. I have seen the world cup wins.
 
We should dread the day when ppl stop caring about cricket. People stopped caring about Hockey and that's when the sport truly died in Pakistan.
 
We should dread the day when ppl stop caring about cricket. People stopped caring about Hockey and that's when the sport truly died in Pakistan.

People have started to stop caring about cricke too. Not many people thought pak could beat ind and rightly so.
 
People have started to stop caring about cricke too. Not many people thought pak could beat ind and rightly so.

Squash = Gone
Hockey = Gone
Cricket = almost Gone, matter of few more deflating losses.
The only person who can rectify and bring back sports culture back to Pakistan is me myself. But ppl like me dont live in Pakistan and do not get chance to run sports ministry.
I started this thread because i saw how hockey was wiped out after 1998 world cup disaster.
 
When was the last time you visited Pak? The amount of street cricket has become sparse.

That's not because ppl stopped caring about cricket but because of the fact that our social interactions have moved for physical spaces to online spaces. Cricket used to be a mode of interaction between individuals and that space has been gradually shifting to online world. Cricket still trends on social media whenever the team is playing. So people have not stopped caring for cricket.
 
Yes.

Economy reflecting through sports. When one's stuck with worries of earning enough to bear primary expenses, spending time and resources over sports become unnecessary. I wont say that it has died completely like hockey, but it has taken a back seat in Pakistan. People online and in other countries must realize and accept it.

Most of us office mates knew that Pakistan is going to loss, we just went through the motions to see the game. Even team looked this way. They were barely throwing the ball or jumping around.

There is no pool of quality players to replace current crop at large. People are likely to stop watching cricket if team kept losing for an year or two, and that would be the formal end as we know of cricket in Pakistan. We have managed to survive by beating minnows till now.

CT17 was our last hiccup I guess.

For now, it will be usual business. Some heads will roll, new will come and start lossing.
 
Guys, Pakistan cricket is going the Pakistan way. Genuinely mean no disrespect here. There is no money to invest in domestic infrastructure. No sponsorship deals for the cricketers. Pakistan economy is tanking. Pakistan in general is performing badly in all aspects. It appears Imran Khan might as well be a PCB patron, he has not been able to change things in Pakistan in any meaningful way after coming to power. If anything he has made things worse. Going by his PM performance, I am not even sure he can make a difference at PCB. He still comes across as someone who is hung up on old laurels. Unless there is a bottom up change, in the way things operate in Pakistan, I do not think we are going to see reversals in the (cricketing) fortunes of Pakistan.
 
Interesting observations, but not sure why economy comes into the equation - isn’t PCB the 4th richest board wins n cricket world?
 
Pakistan is a nation which lives and breathes Cricket, The poor still find a way of playing without proper bats or balls in any of the lower class families or villages areas today.

Pakistan Cricket may be declining but it is preposterous to make such a thread and I've seen it far too often. Cricket is life to millions of Pakistanis. Also, This World Cup is the most followed tournament I've ever seen from a Pakistani perspective. Just because the team is not doing well don't assume an entire countries love for the sport is going down with it.
 
I don't know.

But consider this: the only western country in which conservatism is viewed as a virtue is the USA.

And the USA has never been able to compete successfully in any global team sport. They have their own sports at which they excel, and I applaud them for that, but they can't even compete with Mexico in football, for example.

I'm not arguing against conservatism as a social value. I'm saying that when a conservative society allows its sports to be run by old men - like the PCB - you end up stuck in the past and you cannot compete.
Not exactly. They are pretty good in Volleyball(which is the most widely played sport in the world after Football) inspite of having all their best tall athletes in NBA. They are a beast in Women's football too.
 
Pakistan is a nation which lives and breathes Cricket, The poor still find a way of playing without proper bats or balls in any of the lower class families or villages areas today.

Pakistan Cricket may be declining but it is preposterous to make such a thread and I've seen it far too often. Cricket is life to millions of Pakistanis. Also, This World Cup is the most followed tournament I've ever seen from a Pakistani perspective. Just because the team is not doing well don't assume an entire countries love for the sport is going down with it.

Cricket will no doubt recover, as it is really the only sport that is played and followed in Pakistan. The challenge is that cricket is no longer about producing talented players alone. It s more about the system and structure now, as NZ (pop. <4M) has shown. We are not good with putting sustainable systems in place with a long term view. Once we figure that out, we will be back with the top teams as raw talent will still be there.
 
Saying Cricket will decline in Pakistan is like saying Basketball will decline in USA and Football will decline in England.
 
How did West indies win all 3 cups (U19/womens/T20) while not being in the TOP teams? And the infrastructure?
 
Saying Cricket will decline in Pakistan is like saying Basketball will decline in USA and Football will decline in England.

Look at Squash and Hockey. If you think cricket was always this popular then your are very mistaken. Cricket became popular due to the success of the national team. This support will go away just as easily. Burger class is already more interested in Foreign soccer leagues.
 
Look at Squash and Hockey. If you think cricket was always this popular then your are very mistaken. Cricket became popular due to the success of the national team. This support will go away just as easily. Burger class is already more interested in Foreign soccer leagues.

Hockey and Squash are very small sports. Barely any people play them. Cricket is a massive sport. As I said like 5 times before, we will stay a mediocre team at the least.
 
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