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Is Pakistan's All-rounder depth strongest in the world?

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Pakistan has 3 established international all-rounders:

Shadab Khan
Imad Wasim
Faheem Ashraf

In this year's QEA trophy, the likes of Mohammad Nawaz and Hammad Azam have done well. Batting allrounders like Kamran Ghulam and Agha Salman are among top run-getters.

Zafar Gohar & Amad Butt are good enough to walk into most teams as specialist bowlers and can be considered a good no.8 batsmen.

Mubashir Khan dominated the 2nd XI tournament and is now excelling in the main tournament.

Aamer Yamin is another gun performer in domestic circuit who was unfortunately too soon.
 
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Quality over quantity.

The above are hardly Abdul Razzaqs, Wasim Akrams or Imran Khans are they.
 
They are hardly all quality all rounders. England have Stokes, Curran, Woakes, Moeen. Someone like Lewis Gregory who seems to be a real good all rounder for Somerset can't get into the England side. That's real quality of depth.
 
Wonder why there's no thread here comparing Indian and Pakistani all-rounders. Surely Pakistani ones will come up trumps.

Imad Shadab Faheem >>> Jadeja Pandya Dube

I mean you have a thread for reserve fast bowlers but not senior all-rounders? :sanga
 
In my view, Hasan Ali is a better all-rounder than Shadab and Faheem. I still wonder how a good-for-nothing guy like Shadab is made a T20 Captain in Pakistan.
 
Agha Salman and Kamran Ghulam have turned a page through a lot of hard work and fitness-related work. I think they should be part of our core 30 cricketers in the future. Nawaz has also improved his batting and he has always been a gun fielder.

Mubasir has looked really good but it's too early to say anything about his future.

There are no pace bowling all-rounders of note in the country but I do believe that Muhammad Imran and Ali Imran have the most potential of the lot. I don't see Fahim as a long-term option or even an option in the short term.

England was the first team to move to a heavy all-rounder strategy in cricket and they are reaping the benefits of that. They may not be successful in overseas conditions but their batting line-up has 9 out of 11 players who are capable to bat. Stokes, Woakes, Bess, Archer, Butler are five 2 dimension players in their team and it has really propelled them from a team of no-hopers to world beaters.

This is what we should be going for as well.

I envision that a team like this

1. Azhar (because he's "experienced" and we can't get rid of him)
2. Saud (he has to become an opener if he wishes to play international cricket)
3. Kamran Ghulam (solid and also a capable bowler)
4. Babar
5. Fawad/Haider/Haris (Haris isn't doing any favors by being lazy, he should be playing in the middle order and bowl 30 overs per test as he's actually a very good bowler. Fawad makes it for now because he is performing but I don't see him as a long-term option. Haider is where I would invest the most as he is dynamic and can be a lynchpin of the middle order long-term. We don't have a player like him so his development can be a key part of the puzzle in solving our cricketing problems)
6. Rizwan/Rohail
7. Agha Salman
8. Muhammad Nawaz
9. Fahim/Yamin/Muhammad Imran/Yasir/Zahid/Shadab
x. Hasan/Abbas/Ammad
y. Shaheen

This team in Asian conditions has an off-spinner in Salman, a left-arm spinner in Nawaz, & a leg spinner in Yasir or Zahid.

Outside Asia you can replace Nawaz with Yamin and have a four medium pace bowler attack in Hasan, Shaheen, Fahim, Yamin. If Amir hadn't retired from cricket, he would have been a good fit too as he had a minor spark of batting in the initial phase of this career.

We keep losing test after test because our last 5 add nothing to the total and it's something that needs to be fixed. Rizwan literally is batting with the tail in most cases and that's detrimental to him as a players as well. He is having a good run of form now but it won't be permanent and that's why he needs to convert his 50's to big hundreds.

However, I do believe that Misbah does not have an alternate vision in his head and that's why I feel the loss of Arthur is going to cause a bigger impact in the future.
 
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RainStopsPlay said:
In my view, Hasan Ali is a better all-rounder than Shadab and Faheem. I still wonder how a good-for-nothing guy like Shadab is made a T20 Captain in Pakistan.
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Laughable to think Hasan Ali is better than Shadab already in his young age and with limited opportunities to play with reasonable overs to play has shown not only ability to defend, take quick singles easily, but also tonk few when required. Hasan Ali is able hitter that's all. You can expect him to score fifties like Shadab has done in tests or even above 30s in limited over games, whereas Shadab you can expect a 50 in a limited over game.
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Shivam Dube has just played few matches. He isnt even a regular. But saying that IMAD, FAHEEM, SHADAB are better than JADEJA and Pandya is simply laughable. Pandya nd Jadeja can make it to Indian team simply on the basis of their batting only. They are international standard all rounders with being one of the best fielders .
 
Abu_Hamza said:
Shivam Dube has just played few matches. He isnt even a regular. But saying that IMAD, FAHEEM, SHADAB are better than JADEJA and Pandya is simply laughable. Pandya nd Jadeja can make it to Indian team simply on the basis of their batting only. They are international standard all rounders with being one of the best fielders .
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Imad is better in LOI than Jadeja. Pandya is better than the rest though
 
We have the most talented and best all rounders batsmen and bowlers on paper at least and talent spotter threads.

:salute
 
Anwar Ali if he can improve his bowling and Hasan Ali if he can improve his batting, can also be included in that list.
 
RainStopsPlay said:
In my view, Hasan Ali is a better all-rounder than Shadab and Faheem. I still wonder how a good-for-nothing guy like Shadab is made a T20 Captain in Pakistan.
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Hassan ali is good for quick runs hes more of a number 9 who can hit shadab has a decent technique
 
This is a decent lower order on proberly slightly better than india lower order

7.Shadab
8.Fahim
9.Hassan
 
hur rizvi said:
:facepalm: really

Pakistan hardly have any genuine ARs
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Imad Wasim in ranked 5th in Odis

Faheem has done well in every test he has played

Shadab is just 22 and is already an established player in t20s & has made some important contributions in Tests
 
Bits and pieces depth for sure.

Shadab Khan's legspin has regressed alarmingly, and consistently produces one bad ball per over.

Imad Wasim produces the odd decent lower-order knock, but his bowling is toothless. His fans keep banging about Economy Rate - forgive me I thought bowling was about taking wickets.

Faheem Ashraf - his bowling is rather one dimensional but I hope his sessions with Mohammad Yousuf has helped turn a corner with his batting.

Mohammad Nawaz - looked like a club level bowler last time I saw him in 2018 Asia Cup.
 
Markhor said:
Bits and pieces depth for sure.

Shadab Khan's legspin has regressed alarmingly, and consistently produces one bad ball per over.

Imad Wasim produces the odd decent lower-order knock, but his bowling is toothless. His fans keep banging about Economy Rate - forgive me I thought bowling was about taking wickets.

Faheem Ashraf - his bowling is rather one dimensional but I hope his sessions with Mohammad Yousuf has helped turn a corner with his batting.

Mohammad Nawaz - looked like a club level bowler last time I saw him in 2018 Asia Cup.
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There is some potential, but like you said, everything is rather bits and pieces at the moment.

Ever since Shadab picked up the bat, his bowling has become club level. Furthermore, his batting isn't even that good, he just put away Ish Sodhi's pathetic bowling otherwise his "amazing" innings against New Zealand was nothing but a run-a-ball. In test matches, he is just average with the bat and likewise with the ball. Should have stuck as a bowling all-rounder, because if his spin regresses, we will have lost a really good spinner.

Imad Wasim is already about 32 years of age and has only about two or three years left of international cricket left in him. He is unlikely to improve as a bowler, but if he keeps things nice and tight in the powerplay, he will serve us well. If he is economical, that doesn't harm us in T20I, because mind you, it's better than the likes of Musa Khan and Haris Rauf spamming balls on every random line and length.

Faheem has improved his bowling on this tour, and he looked a better batsman as well. If he can score another 50 in the second game and take 3 or 4 wickets, it will do us a lot of good moving forward into the decade.

Nawaz never really impressed me as a bowler nor as a batsman, so I won't really comment on him.
 
Having options alone dont serve a purpose when selectors and management have not been good enough to filter all rounders that can potentially be decent at international level, along with not much vision to develop a decent combination.
 
No. New Zealand has more depth because they have better all-rounders.

de Grandhomme
Neesham
Santner

Pakistan only has one world-class all-rounder: Imad Wasim.
 
Australia- Mitchell Marsh, Marcus Stoinis, Glenn Maxwell, Cameron Green

South Africa- Andile Phelukwaiyo, Dwayne Pretorious, Chris Morris, Wiaan Mulder

England - Ben Stokes, Chris Woakes, Sam Curran( party spoiler), Moeen Ali

New Zealand - Colin De Grandhomme, Jimmy Neshan, Kyle Jamieson, Mitchell Santner

India - Hardik Pandya, Ravindra Jadeja

Pakistan - Shadab Khan, Faheem Ashraf, Imad Wasim, Mohammad Rizwan

West Indies - Jason Holder, Roston Chase

Sri Lanka - Dasun Shanaka, Wanindu Hasaranga, Thisara Perera

Every team has 3-4 all rounders but India are having only two. We need one more for T20s so that Pandya can bat at 5 and Jadeja at 6.
 
Ab Fan said:
Australia- Mitchell Marsh, Marcus Stoinis, Glenn Maxwell, Cameron Green

South Africa- Andile Phelukwaiyo, Dwayne Pretorious, Chris Morris, Wiaan Mulder

England - Ben Stokes, Chris Woakes, Sam Curran( party spoiler), Moeen Ali

New Zealand - Colin De Grandhomme, Jimmy Neshan, Kyle Jamieson, Mitchell Santner

India - Hardik Pandya, Ravindra Jadeja

Pakistan - Shadab Khan, Faheem Ashraf, Imad Wasim, Mohammad Rizwan

West Indies - Jason Holder, Roston Chase

Sri Lanka - Dasun Shanaka, Wanindu Hasaranga, Thisara Perera

Every team has 3-4 all rounders but India are having only two. We need one more for T20s so that Pandya can bat at 5 and Jadeja at 6.
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Mohammad Rizwan?
 
LOl! If Rizwan is included, the. every Indian wicketkeeper since Syed Kirmani has been an all-rounder. Today you have Pant, Saha, Samson, Rahul, Ishaan Kishan, Dinesh Karthik, Rayudu.

Indian other upcoming not yet well-established all-rounders are Krunal Pandya, Kedar Jadhav, K Gowtham, Shivam Dube, Washington Sundar, Vijay Shankar, Axar Patel, Rahul Tewatia (of IPL 2020 fame) & Hanuma Vihari.

None of them have proven fully at international
level yet but the cupboard is not empty. Most of the Pakistani all rounders will fit in this category. The last real Pakistani all rounder was Imran Khan, Afridi and Mo Hafeez.
 
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Shoaib Malik, Azhar Mahmood, Razzak and probably Mudassar Nazar were better all rounders than the current Pakistan crop.
 
BreadPakoda said:
So he is the only wicket keeper in the world who can bat? QdK, Bairstow, and others can't bat, I assume.
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Bairstow has been booted out of test cricket now. I am only talking about current players.

Pant is a batsman who is not a good keeper yet. Saha is a keeper who is a tailender with average of 14 in SENA. Buttler is also a poor keeper.
 
Ab Fan said:
Bairstow has been booted out of test cricket now. I am only talking about current players.

Pant is a batsman who is not a good keeper yet. Saha is a keeper who is a tailender with average of 14 in SENA. Buttler is also a poor keeper.
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:yk
Looks like you are taking tips from BVB these days.
I nominate this post for "ICC, logic of the decade" .
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
:yk
Looks like you are taking tips from BVB these days.
I nominate this post for "ICC, logic of the decade" .
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I am just accepting the reality. Just look at Pakistan's genuine all-rounder quality.

Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Imad Wasim
Mohammad Rizwan
Shaheen (not now but in future)

Its pretty solid IMO. We have Pandya and Jadeja but we need more :inti
 
Ab Fan said:
I am just accepting the reality. Just look at Pakistan's genuine all-rounder quality.

Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Imad Wasim
Mohammad Rizwan
Shaheen (not now but in future)

Its pretty solid IMO. We have Pandya and Jadeja but we need more :inti
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I’m not really sure about Shaheen to be honest. He’ll end up being a very good number 10 maybe...
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
I’m not really sure about Shaheen to be honest. He’ll end up being a very good number 10 maybe...
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Tbh I see a lot of Batting potential in Shaheen. He has been rated as a decent bat since u19 days as I have seen interviews where he has been termed an all-rounder. He has already improved his defensive technique a lot and he can hit sixes too. I can see him developing nicely in the future. Especially for test cricket.
 
tyron_woodley said:
I am sorry but looooooool.
Shadab
Faheem
Imad?

In tests? Not yet.
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Shadab and Faheem can be considered genuine all-rounders in SENA. If given a chance Ammad Butt would be the same. Also some really good all-rounders coming up from QeA.
 
KoyoAli said:
Shadab and Faheem can be considered genuine all-rounders in SENA. If given a chance Ammad Butt would be the same. Also some really good all-rounders coming up from QeA.
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Oh ok. Yea fair enough. I do rate faheem and shadab. Quality players.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
I’m not really sure about Shaheen to be honest. He’ll end up being a very good number 10 maybe...
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Ok I now understood this game being played here. Let me get on the bandwagon also.

Naseem Shah is also still 17 year old. I saw him holding a bat in a photo with full confidence. Let’s add him in the great Pakistan’s all rounders list. But Naseem, while better than Shoaib Malik, may still not be as good an all-rounder as Hasnain, whose height, fair complexion and hand-eye complexion automatically makes him the next Imran Khan. And Abbas too has great potential, in fact even more than Naseem.

Pak cricket has probably the best all rounders in the world.

While Pant, Saha, Sundar, Samson, Vihari, L Rahul, are total failures.
 
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Joke thread - its quantity over quality. Pandiya and Jadeja are both better and that is just Indian allrounders. England have got atleast 3 better allrounders also.
 
How many have 1000 runs with 100 wickets? OR even 500 runs with 50 wickets?
 
Mesozoic said:
Wonder why there's no thread here comparing Indian and Pakistani all-rounders. Surely Pakistani ones will come up trumps.

Imad Shadab Faheem >>> Jadeja Pandya Dube

I mean you have a thread for reserve fast bowlers but not senior all-rounders? :sanga
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Dube?? Bhai, you could have mentioned Vijay Shankar although he is not young.

For T20s, let's see how Tewatia does next IPL. I think he will certainly be in our T20 team if he does well next year also. Same for Samad.
 
Pakhs said:
Joke thread - its quantity over quality. Pandiya and Jadeja are both better and that is just Indian allrounders. England have got atleast 3 better allrounders also.
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Pandya isnt an all rounder he hardly bowls now
 
Buffet said:
How many have 1000 runs with 100 wickets? OR even 500 runs with 50 wickets?
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They have not played many tests but in whatever opportunities, Shadab and Faheem have got, they have excelled.

Both are an asset outside Asia.
 
Ab Fan said:
I am just accepting the reality. Just look at Pakistan's genuine all-rounder quality.

Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Imad Wasim
Mohammad Rizwan
Shaheen (not now but in future)

Its pretty solid IMO. We have Pandya and Jadeja but we need more :inti
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Shaheen has a good bat speed.

Can hit 6s
Has a decent defensive technique

He does have the potential to become a very good number 8
 
Name sake all-rounders cannot benefit.
Suppose you make a playing XI with such players , will you win ?

You need all-rounders who can perform to win games.
 
Justcrazy said:
Name sake all-rounders cannot benefit.
Suppose you make a playing XI with such players , will you win ?

You need all-rounders who can perform to win games.
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Faheem scored 48
Zafar scored 34

On the same pitch Shan, Abid, Haris, Fawad failed
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Shaheen has a good bat speed.

Can hit 6s
Has a decent defensive technique

He does have the potential to become a very good number 8
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very good number 9/10 batter but no higher

Fahim is more number 8 batter
Shadab is more number 7
 
This thread is as funny as it could get. Ben stokes is currently the best all-rounder, Ashwin in better than shahdab, jadeja doesn't have any substitute in Pakistan and there is no comparison between pandya and faheem. Even SA's Morris is better than any of our all-rounders. We may have the quantity but not even one of them is above domestic quality
 
Geez I don’t know why people are hyping them up so much. No It’s definitely not the best, it’s closer to the worst. When did Pakistan last have a genuine all rounder playing? It was Afridi who was hit and miss. The PCB has already done injustice with Aamir Yamin. Faheem has improved a lot and performed in the NZ tests and t20s and is the closest thing Pakistan has to an all rounder. Shadab doesn’t even have a place in the side yet he’s made t20 captain ... can’t bat and has been out of form with the ball for the last 2 years. He purposely kept Imad out who has developed some power hitting but is very inconsistent and his darters aren’t very useful outside the UAE/Asian conditions but he is economical. Faheem is improving but the other two are bits and pieces cricketers two levels lower than Jadeja. I’d rather play Abdul Qadir as a genuine leg spinner rather than Shadab. Atleast he’d contribute with the ball and Imad and Hasan ali can try improve further with the bat so they have a stronger lower order capable of getting crucial runs for the side.
 
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