Is Pakistan's decision to rely on just one specialist spinner in the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 a missed opportunity?

Is Pakistan's decision to rely on just one specialist spinner in tournament a missed opportunity?


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The selection of Pakistan's squad for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 has sparked some debate, especially regarding the bowling attack. The team has included all-rounder Faheem Ashraf and batter Khushdil Shah, but the big talking point is the decision to go with only one specialist spinner, Abrar Ahmed, alongside four fast bowlers. This has raised questions because the tournament will be held in Pakistan, where pitches usually favor spinners.

In Pakistan, pitches tend to offer more assistance to spin, especially as the match progresses. Historically, spin plays a big role in the subcontinent's conditions, particularly in limited-overs cricket. So, it’s interesting that Pakistan is backing four fast bowlers while only relying on Abrar as the sole specialist spinner.

What’s also noteworthy is the exclusion of spinners like Sufiyan Muqeem and Sajid Khan, who have been in good form recently. Their absence from the squad adds to the surprise of only having one spinner.

Having fast bowlers makes sense early in the game when conditions are favorable for pace. But the lack of spin depth could be a problem if the pitch starts turning or slows down. Abrar Ahmed, as the only spinner, will have a big role to play, and his performance could be crucial.

 
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We have agha khushdil to be 2nd and 3rd spinner
We dont have second coming of ajmal sitting in dugout that u want to play as specialist spinner. No team plays 2 specialist spinners and provided that they arent better than ur fast bowlers. Rauf Shaheen Naseem are better than your spinners in odis.
 
We have agha khushdil to be 2nd and 3rd spinner
We dont have second coming of ajmal sitting in dugout that u want to play as specialist spinner. No team plays 2 specialist spinners and provided that they arent better than ur fast bowlers. Rauf Shaheen Naseem are better than your spinners in odis.
So you are saying sufiyan is not better than fast bowlers pak has but sena teams struggle more vs spin than fast bowlers.
 
Pakistan recently won matches due to fast bowlers. May be that is why. INdia did the opposite. Goes in with a seamer light.
 
Australia, New Zealand and England have also picked 1 specialist spinner at most.

It's not a big issue.
 
Agha salman is a spinner right? Saud shakeel is another one. I think Pakistan can get by with those two. I understand their concern. What if their fast bowlers get thrashed around like they were in 2023 world cup. Let us see how pitches are.
 
heard Rizwan alone chose this squad without any input from the selectors and coach is that true?
Highly doubt that the coach and selectors would have liked that. Plus, Abbas Afridi would have been in for Faheem if that was the case.
 
heard Rizwan alone chose this squad without any input from the selectors and coach is that true?
Rizwan is a buddy of Iftikhar, so abit surprised he didnt opt him here.

But if Rizwan really did select Fahim, than I have issues with him
 
Agha salman is a spinner right? Saud shakeel is another one. I think Pakistan can get by with those two. I understand their concern. What if their fast bowlers get thrashed around like they were in 2023 world cup. Let us see how pitches are.
It's just giving Shadab and Nawaz in 2023 WC all over again. Two mediocre spinners bowling from overs 20-40 and barely taking wickets
 
Ideally we should have had a second spinner as back up instead of Faheem.
 
It's just giving Shadab and Nawaz in 2023 WC all over again. Two mediocre spinners bowling from overs 20-40 and barely taking wickets
yes Crucial wicket taking phase.

2023 world cup middle over bowling performance by each team


TeamInningsRuns WicketsRun rateAvge
South Africa101427515.1427.98
India111416474.8530.12
Afghanistan91291394.9733.1
Australia111686455.4237.46
New zealand101528395.4539.17
Netherlands91436355.4941.02
England91413345.6641.55
Sri Lanka91506326.2247.06
Pakistan91611306.1853.7
Bangladesh91545285.9455.17
 
yes Crucial wicket taking phase.

2023 world cup middle over bowling performance by each team


TeamInningsRuns WicketsRun rateAvge
South Africa101427515.1427.98
India111416474.8530.12
Afghanistan91291394.9733.1
Australia111686455.4237.46
New zealand101528395.4539.17
Netherlands91436355.4941.02
England91413345.6641.55
Sri Lanka91506326.2247.06
Pakistan91611306.1853.7
Bangladesh91545285.9455.17
Surprised to even see 30 wickets. Shadab and Nawaz only took 2 each that WC so it was definitely not the work of spinners either.

Agha and Saud are absolutely not good enough to carry that burden. These guys didn't learn anything from that WC. And Faheem is supposed to be operating in the middle overs now??? We're doomed
 
Surprised to even see 30 wickets. Shadab and Nawaz only took 2 each that WC so it was definitely not the work of spinners either.

Agha and Saud are absolutely not good enough to carry that burden. These guys didn't learn anything from that WC. And Faheem is supposed to be operating in the middle overs now??? We're doomed
Then how did australia won the world cup with lone spinner spinners are not needed aqib and rizwan knows what they are doing so stop getting too worried.
 
Surprised to even see 30 wickets. Shadab and Nawaz only took 2 each that WC so it was definitely not the work of spinners either.

Agha and Saud are absolutely not good enough to carry that burden. These guys didn't learn anything from that WC. And Faheem is supposed to be operating in the middle overs now??? We're doomed
They were not by spinners. Among the best middle over spinners in 2023 world cup were

Zampa 17 wickets
Maharj 14 wickets
Santner 13 wickets
Jadeja 12 wickets
Adil Rashid 12 wickets
Kuldeep 11 wickets
Rashid khan 10 wickets
Mehidy hasan 9 wicekts
Shakib 7 wickets
Mo Nabi 7 wickets
Moeen Ali 5 wickets
Mujeeb 5 wickets
Glen phillips 5 wickets
Van der merwe 5 wickets
ARyan dutt 4 wickets

Don't see pak spinners in this list.
 
Then how did australia won the world cup with lone spinner spinners are not needed aqib and rizwan knows what they are doing so stop getting too worried.
Zampa took 17 wickets by himself lol How can you equate zampa with pak spinners. Without zampa they would not have even made it to semi final let alone final
 
They were not by spinners. Among the best middle over spinners in 2023 world cup were

Zampa 17 wickets
Maharj 14 wickets
Santner 13 wickets
Jadeja 12 wickets
Adil Rashid 12 wickets
Kuldeep 11 wickets
Rashid khan 10 wickets
Mehidy hasan 9 wicekts
Shakib 7 wickets
Mo Nabi 7 wickets
Moeen Ali 5 wickets
Mujeeb 5 wickets
Glen phillips 5 wickets
Van der merwe 5 wickets
ARyan dutt 4 wickets

Don't see pak spinners in this list.
That's my whole point. Hopefully Abrar can string some better spells than Shadab and Nawaz though, because Agha, Faheem and Saud cannot carry the middle overs.
 
Very bad move… All other squads are going spin heavy as they know how important a spinner's role will be here and we are going with Abrar who is more like a medium pacer.
 
Very bad move… All other squads are going spin heavy as they know how important a spinner's role will be here and we are going with Abrar who is more like a medium pacer.
Lol sena teams are only going to play 1 spinner in their line up they would most likely win champions trophy.
 
New zealand

Santner, Bracewell, Rachin Ravindra, Glenn Philips part time medium pacer Daryl Mitchell

England

Adil Rashid, Root, Livingstone, Jacob Bethell

Australia

Zampa, Maxwell, Head, Short, Labu, medium pacer Stoinis

South Africa

Maharaj, Markram, Shamsi

Pakistan

Abrar, Agha, Shaud shakeel

This the make up of each team
 
We could've done with a backup for the injury/illness prone Abrar.

While the recent ODI victories in Australia and South Africa were on the back of the performance of our pacers, those conditions are the polar opposite of what we see at home.
 
New zealand

Santner, Bracewell, Rachin Ravindra, Glenn Philips part time medium pacer Daryl Mitchell

England

Adil Rashid, Root, Livingstone, Jacob Bethell

Australia

Zampa, Maxwell, Head, Short, Labu, medium pacer Stoinis

South Africa

Maharaj, Markram, Shamsi

Pakistan

Abrar, Agha, Shaud shakeel

This the make up of each team
Wow Pak is significantly worse than the other teams, as always. I miss the days of Afridi-Hafeez-Ajmal.
 
New zealand

Santner, Bracewell, Rachin Ravindra, Glenn Philips part time medium pacer Daryl Mitchell

England

Adil Rashid, Root, Livingstone, Jacob Bethell

Australia

Zampa, Maxwell, Head, Short, Labu, medium pacer Stoinis

South Africa

Maharaj, Markram, Shamsi

Pakistan

Abrar, Agha, Shaud shakeel

This the make up of each team
Bro You missed khushdil shah who is bowling brilliantly left arm spinner so my point still stand sena teams mostly have one good spinner with others just supporting same like pak and sena teams has better chance of winning champions trophy with their fast bowlers than asian teams thats for sure.
 
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Do you even think before typing pak is playing one spinner as well so evens out just like how sena teams only play one spinner pak is doing the same
Wickets are what matters. The SENA teams don't have to necessarily play more than one specialist spinner bc they have at least one world class one in their ranks. Pakistan, however...
 
Wickets are what matters. The SENA teams don't have to necessarily play more than one specialist spinner bc they have at least one world class one in their ranks. Pakistan, however...
It was your fast bowlers which you guys bash who won you historic odi series in aus and sa not spinners.
 
Bro You missed khushdil shahwho is bowling brilliantly left arm spinner so my point still stand sena teams mostly have one good spinner with others just supporting same like pak and sena teams has better chance of winning champions trophy with their fast bowlers than asian teams thats for sure.
oh k. DIdn't realize that. So 4 spinners
 
More than spinner, it's the pacers who should be on radar Rauf SSA Naseem that's 3/5 of attack.

Also the batting needs to hold the team
 
Agha salman is a spinner right? Saud shakeel is another one. I think Pakistan can get by with those two. I understand their concern. What if their fast bowlers get thrashed around like they were in 2023 world cup. Let us see how pitches are.
They also have Khushdil who can bowl a few overs if hes in the xi.
 
Sufiyan should have been in the squad and if they wanted someone with experience then Shadab should have been picked.
 
The worst spin attack in the world while being an Asian country just hits different…
It's truly saddening. This is a country that produced the likes of Saqlain, Mushtaq, AQ, Ajmal, etc. The pace attack is nothing to boast about either but can at least compete sometimes.
 
It was beyond understanding that they left Sufiyan out and also the only spinner they have has played only 4 ODIs....
 
It was beyond understanding that they left Sufiyan out and also the only spinner they have has played only 4 ODIs....

Definitely putting all of their eggs in one basket.

What if Abrar gets battered around the ground in the first game? What if it's a complete spinner's paradise when they walk into Dubai?

They better hope he gets the job done.
 

Why not Noman Ali for Champions Trophy?​


Hear me out first👇

1. Playing in Pakistan (subcontinent pitches r bound to grip & turn)
2. Doesn't matter how good a spinner you are, the knack of taking wickets is more imp. Who better in Pakistan today than Noman in taking wickets by beautifully controlling the line, length and speeds. That's where I believe Noman
scores over other newcomers such as Sufiyan or others. By the way, besides the knack of taking wickets in bunch, years of experience counts too.
3. His lack of fielding agility can easily be managed, we have been a team that managed Saeed Anwar, Inzi etc for years.

I heard Rizwan during his interview named Sufiyan, Mehran etc but no mention of Noman, I was very surprised. You need wicket taking in-form spinners to ball against good teams on such an imp tournament such as the champions trophy.
 
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The way NZ spinners r bowling, Pakistan definitely missed another wicket taking specialist spinner in the 15 squad esp for CT25
 
I mean you look at today match it felt nz was playing in home they played bracewell santner pak only had abrar i mean how can aqib not know this he was the one who introduced spin pitches and said sena teams weakness is playing spin how come here he is playing all pacers i think pak has to select sufiyan at any cost if pak wants to win champions trophy.
 
You can have 2nd spinner in squad but how would you fit them in playing 11. Nz specialist spinners like santner and bracewell can smash our Bowlers for runs. But in our case we would have a 5 bowler tail. Especially consider our middle order is so weak or at least can't play at 100 strike rate.

Modern day odi team cannot have 5 bowlers.

Really missing an in form shadab or imad that we used to have back in 2017 or 2019 world cup even.

Unless the 2 spinners and 3 fast bowlers are of wasim waqar shoaib Ajmal saqlain category you can't play 5 bowlers. Even in above wasim is all rounder.

They needed to either work with Aamir jamal to play role or nasim or work on batting skills or sifyan or play a bowler who could bat bit more like even Jahandad. Right now it's a mess and you can't escape out of it by simply adding second specialist spinner and 5 bowler tail. Sorry. That doesn't work for today's odi game and with our top and middle order.
 
But they are match winners got to have them both unleashed on sena teams and india.
If they are going to win games against India (who are better batters of spin), then what will their spinners do to your batters on the same deck?
 
This is delusion. You cant play 5 bowlers in odis. They need to bat. Or maybe you can add qasim akram or arafat who can atleast hold the bat unlike sufyan or abrar who ll be no 10 and 11
 
If they are going to win games against India (who are better batters of spin), then what will their spinners do to your batters on the same deck?
Ya we saw how india played nz spinners even someone like philips was getting wickets and nz whitewashed them with their spinners.
 
You need a capable no 8 batsman these days. India lost a lot of tournament crunch games because of lack of no.8 batsman. Without decent lower order team will make below par total or falter at the end.
 
Pakistan does not have any reputable middle order batsman. Only bits and pieces players masquerading as batsmen. Team selection has always been Pakistan’s Achilles’ heel. Pakistan never learns from its mistakes.
 
Stop comparing with other teams:
Santner and bracewell are good enough to spank quality bowling and even then santner is batting at 8 and on top of that he is one hell of an intelligent bowler

Axar washington ll bat better than Pakistan's specialist batsman

Even rashid khan is a capable bat

Aus only plays zampa and rest are head and maxwell

Eng ig ll also go for adil rashid only with livingston and root

Africa usually plays maharaj with rest being bowled by markram or they might play tabraiz or fortuin who can also bat
But still they have some batting from tailenders in form of jansen bosch
 
Stop comparing with other teams:
Santner and bracewell are good enough to spank quality bowling and even then santner is batting at 8 and on top of that he is one hell of an intelligent bowler

Axar washington ll bat better than Pakistan's specialist batsman

Even rashid khan is a capable bat

Aus only plays zampa and rest are head and maxwell

Eng ig ll also go for adil rashid only with livingston and root

Africa usually plays maharaj with rest being bowled by markram or they might play tabraiz or fortuin who can also bat
But still they have some batting from tailenders in form of jansen bosch
So what do you want to do play pacers are leaking runs why not exploit sena teams weakness which aqib always said is playing spin so pak should always play 2 spinners instead of playing 3 fast bowlers.
 
So what do you want to do play pacers are leaking runs why not exploit sena teams weakness which aqib always said is playing spin so pak should always play 2 spinners instead of playing 3 fast bowlers.
We need a genuine all rounder then who can bat atleast at the level of imad nawaz shadab and atm no one looks like that

The best we can do is play faheem next game and see how he fares and then make changes but ig last date is 11 for that
 
Left arm ‘spin’, not left arm darts

Khushdil doesn’t try to spin the ball. He has a very T20 defensive mindset where he cramps up the angles to hit around the wicket. You can easily milk him for 50+ runs in his quota and take him down for the odd 15-20+ run over too on these decks.
Marzi hai bhai.

AAP behtar samajhte hain.

Pearls of wisdom
 
Good discussions but why go with untested at this level newbies rather than expd and going with a bowler who has taken loads & loads of quality wickets throughout the season, including a few 5'fers against quality team.
Taking wickets at any level esp international level is an art and his recent form is priceless too.
I still believe Noman is the best of the lot.
 
You can have 2nd spinner in squad but how would you fit them in playing 11. Nz specialist spinners like santner and bracewell can smash our Bowlers for runs. But in our case we would have a 5 bowler tail. Especially consider our middle order is so weak or at least can't play at 100 strike rate.

Modern day odi team cannot have 5 bowlers.

Really missing an in form shadab or imad that we used to have back in 2017 or 2019 world cup even.

Unless the 2 spinners and 3 fast bowlers are of wasim waqar shoaib Ajmal saqlain category you can't play 5 bowlers. Even in above wasim is all rounder.

They needed to either work with Aamir jamal to play role or nasim or work on batting skills or sifyan or play a bowler who could bat bit more like even Jahandad. Right now it's a mess and you can't escape out of it by simply adding second specialist spinner and 5 bowler tail. Sorry. That doesn't work for today's odi game and with our top and middle order.
No matter how long are batting is made, our lower order will suck. Its an ongoing crises since 2011
 
Pakistan need to get Sajid Khan in at 8.

Faheem looks like an improved batsman judging by his list-A stats in last two years. He can bat at 7 and be the 3rd pacer.

No way they'll find balance in the 11 on such pitches without spin bowling all rounders.


Our 6 bowlers should be

Agha
Faheem
Sajid
Shaheen
Rauf
Abrar
 
So far in the three matches in tri serires

Pacers

3 matches 20 wickets 56.75 avge 6.91 ER

Spinners

3 matches 12 wickets 60.66 avge 5.54 ER


Ideall teams should use mix of pace and spin appropriately. Can't rely on type of bowling.
 
Definitely putting all of their eggs in one basket.

What if Abrar gets battered around the ground in the first game? What if it's a complete spinner's paradise when they walk into Dubai?

They better hope he gets the job done.
If that happens they will regret and promise to make a committee to investigate , what has been happening past 20 years
 
Pakistan does not have any reputable middle order batsman. Only bits and pieces players masquerading as batsmen. Team selection has always been Pakistan’s Achilles’ heel. Pakistan never learns from its mistakes.
Yes , that is the issue , Pakistan refuses to learn from mistake.

You need 6 -8 proper batting technical batters these days , where you have to chase totals like 320 plus these days , need to have proper depth , so that top order express themselves.
 
Pakistan need to get Sajid Khan in at 8.

Faheem looks like an improved batsman judging by his list-A stats in last two years. He can bat at 7 and be the 3rd pacer.

No way they'll find balance in the 11 on such pitches without spin bowling all rounders.


Our 6 bowlers should be

Agha
Faheem
Sajid
Shaheen
Rauf
Abrar
Having all rounders is the key for balance , Pakistan going in with 4 bowlers who cannot bat , that means batting is till 7 at the most . Also , 6 and 7 not that reliable.

Either should have used Saud , Fakhar etc for few overs , or should have worked on batting of bowlers.
 
Abrar is a nothing fielder and batsman and if he bowls the way he bowled last game i ll make him sit out too

Ideally we should groom arafat and qasim akram to accompany agha as they can bat better than others and thats what you need in loi cricket. You cant have dud batsman from 8 to 11 that's a very long tail.

Usama mir and shadab threw it away else we d have two leggies bowling and more than capable 7 and 8.

We need two spin bowling allrounders at 7 and 8 because i dont see any fast bowling one even in junior level.

Khushdil did a fine job and he ll bowl with agha so thats okay. Abrar needs to find his groove or else he ll warm the bench too. Because even faheem can give us 10 overs for 60 runs.
 
New Zealand upset Pakistan in the first match with their spinners and in the final they are troubling Pakistan again with spin. Yet we have just one specialist spinner in our squad—approach matters.
 
I just watched his conference where some journalist asked him why not 2 spinners in lineup where aqib said only one spinner can fit in he said pak has decided three fast bowlers will play in their line up.
 
We are short of batting and bowling all rounders
By adding a spinner we either have to play with 2 fast bowlers or play with a batsmen short

Kushdil is useless with the bat and ball
Agha is useless with the ball
Rana is useless altogether

Other options are

Ifthikar who is also useless with bat and ball Shadab who is also useless with bat and ball
Jamal ain't good either

We can't use untested players becuse bilateral series are for experiments not for babar and rizwan to statpad
 
Sajid and Nauman are proper specialist spinners and are no mugs with the bat. If the pitch has something for the spinners, these bowlers will come to the party. You can easily play these two in the team in place of Khushdil and Abrar. You can drop Saud and place Suffiyan in his place
 
Sohaib Maqsood while talking on his youtube channel:

"Pakistan's biggest issue right now is the inability to take wickets in the middle overs."

"Abrar is a good bowler, but he’s more dangerous when the ball is new and hard. In the Tri-Nation Series, Abrar struggled in the middle overs, where he should have been taking wickets. Pakistan needs another spin option."
 
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PCB's Stubbornness (or 'hutdharmi') is perhaps a better phrase than 'missed opportunity'
 
Sajid and Nauman are proper specialist spinners and are no mugs with the bat. If the pitch has something for the spinners, these bowlers will come to the party. You can easily play these two in the team in place of Khushdil and Abrar. You can drop Saud and place Suffiyan in his place
It will weaken the batting.
 
Missed opportunity? More like grotesque incompetence from the selectors and team management.

I will see if Naqvi will give the same treatment to the current selection panel and coaches ie Aqib Javed, Azhar Mahmood that he gave to Kirsten and Gillespie
 
Pacers vs Spinners in CT 2025....
After match #1.

Standout stat:
Pakistani pacers gave away 214 runs in 30 overs. Econ: 7.13
Pakistani spinners (1 specialist and 2 part timers) gave away 102 runs in 20 overs. Econ: 5.10

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