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Is PSL or T20 destroying Pakistan cricket?

Abdullah Rabbani

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My fellow Pakistani passionate fans are so much in hangover of psl and t20 that they want to see big hitters sloggers of t20 in odi and test that is the reason why we lost from india in asia cup why we are selecting players from PSL performances not from there domestic performances , or if they selected and not perform 3 or 4 matches we shut doors for them if Pakistan have proper batsman allrounder in middle order we will not lose match from India.

Asif Ali : LA Average 28.90
Faheem Ashraf : LA Average 22.45
Shadab Khan : LA Average 32.76

Pakisran Have Young Talent Under 25 Have Average More Than 40 But We Are Wasting Them Like,

Saad Ali
Saud Shakeel
Sami Aslam
Shan Masood
Shabzada Farhan
Hamaad Butt
Khusdil Shah
Zeshan Malik
 
Brother, you must realise that a team with players averaging 40+ at a strike rate of 75 or less cannot compete with a team with players averaging 40+ at a strike rate of 85+.
 
Bhai ye 5-6 players jo team main perform kar rahe hain ye PSL se hi mile hain. Before it there was only doom and gloom.
 
For some, the challenge here is to criticize IPL but defend PSL as cricket's savior at the same time.

You're one of the rarer ones who is criticizing PSL, I guess you'd have the same stance on IPL, so kudos for having a single standard.

On the topic, no, both IPL and PSL is great for cricket.
 
Then there's Shan Masood averaging 58 who still can't get in the side.

And when he does it's for the wrong format where he averages 38 odd in domestic.
 
Poor captaincy and team selection clearly missing the 5th bowler hence the run leak
 
For some, the challenge here is to criticize IPL but defend PSL as cricket's savior at the same time.

You're one of the rarer ones who is criticizing PSL, I guess you'd have the same stance on IPL, so kudos for having a single standard.

On the topic, no, both IPL and PSL is great for cricket.

This logic doesnt work in Pakistan's case. Their batting was crap even before PSL. And has infact become a little competent after PSL.
 
Lol

Chill guys, even if we loose to Aghanistan (wont happen), it will wont be the end of the world. Afghanistan is an emerging nation and sooner or later they will beat Pakistan.

The team needs a few tweaks, and thats all. There are only two question marks in the team:
1. Sarfaraz Ahmed
2. Imam-ul-Haq

Even the above are not massive issues. We will start clicking soon. Chillax!
 
My fellow Pakistani passionate fans are so much in hangover of psl and t20 that they want to see big hitters sloggers of t20 in odi and test that is the reason why we lost from india in asia cup why we are selecting players from PSL performances not from there domestic performances , or if they selected and not perform 3 or 4 matches we shut doors for them if Pakistan have proper batsman allrounder in middle order we will not lose match from India.

Asif Ali : LA Average 28.90
Faheem Ashraf : LA Average 22.45
Shadab Khan : LA Average 32.76

Pakisran Have Young Talent Under 25 Have Average More Than 40 But We Are Wasting Them Like,

Saad Ali
Saud Shakeel
Sami Aslam
Shan Masood
Shabzada Farhan
Hamaad Butt
Khusdil Shah
Zeshan Malik

great point. I cringed when I see Asif Ali in ODI team, same with Faheem Ashraf :facepalm: These guys should only play T20s.
 
It hasn't hurt India's, Australias, Englands, New Zealands, South Africas Limited overs cricket, why should it hurt us?
 
It hasn't hurt India's, Australias, Englands, New Zealands, South Africas Limited overs cricket, why should it hurt us?

It is hurting Pakistan's ODI team because players who are average in List A but performed better in PSL are selected in ODI team over players who are better in List A but are not getting chance to play in PSL.
 
That's My Point ,
With These Averages Under 30 Strike Rate 100+ They Chase 300 Plus In England We Need Consistent Performers Like Babar Azam And Fakhar Zaman These Two Or Not Only PSL Product They Established Them First In Domestic Cricket With 50+ Average Now In International Cricket There Average Is 50+
 
Then there's Shan Masood averaging 58 who still can't get in the side.

And when he does it's for the wrong format where he averages 38 odd in domestic.

This Is One Of Biggest Problem In Pakistan Cricket If A Player Have Good Average In Limited Over Not In First Class And We Select Him In Test Other Than Limited Over Where He Lacks Experience
 
PSL is a blessing for PCB & PAK cricket. It has been a blessing for BCCI & BCB as well - today BCCI is utmost powerful cricket board and BCB has a budget fatter than sports ministry!!!!!

Problem is, some sell wine to buy milk and some sell milk to buy wine ................
 
PSL has been great for Pak and has nothing to do with defeats in Tests.

Dumb selection is at fault and to blame.

Why is there no specialist spinner to accompany Yasir?

Why play guys like hafeez because he can bowl a bit or bilal because he can bat a bit?

Bring in specialists with solid FC records.

Another thing, a player does well in one format, but is selected for a different format?

Are the selectors so stupid and dumb, that they can't distinguish between formats?

Case in point, shan playing Tests, when he should be playing ODI's.
 
PSL can filter out the young players for you, cant make tactics, selections and strategies for you. Players like Shadab and Hassan are only in team bcz PSL filtered them. We dont have Imran or Wasim captain anymore who can with one glimpse tell the potential of a player and PSL is doing it for us now to a certain extent.

PSL is producing players, batting collapse in the 4th innings where only Babar, Sarfraz and Hafeez are the ones who play PSL matches regularly is not bcz of PSL.
 
PSL is a blessing for PCB & PAK cricket. It has been a blessing for BCCI & BCB as well - today BCCI is utmost powerful cricket board and BCB has a budget fatter than sports ministry!!!!!

Problem is, some sell wine to buy milk and some sell milk to buy wine ................
Problem is it may not be good for Cricket as a whole. ABD, McCullum, all WI top players are retiring from International Cricket due to T20 leagues. I an willing to bet Hetmeyer will also soon follow the course.

Even Shakib can just retire from BD cricket and focus more on these T20 leagues.

I personally dont like leagues games in general. There is a big difference between watching World Cup soccer and watching some La Liga games where Messi is beating the hell out of some 2nd tiers teams.
 
This Is One Of Biggest Problem In Pakistan Cricket If A Player Have Good Average In Limited Over Not In First Class And We Select Him In Test Other Than Limited Over Where He Lacks Experience

Just a piece of advice buddy but you might want to avoid capitalizing every word of your posts :)
 
PSL can filter out the young players for you, cant make tactics, selections and strategies for you. Players like Shadab and Hassan are only in team bcz PSL filtered them. We dont have Imran or Wasim captain anymore who can with one glimpse tell the potential of a player and PSL is doing it for us now to a certain extent.

PSL is producing players, batting collapse in the 4th innings where only Babar, Sarfraz and Hafeez are the ones who play PSL matches regularly is not bcz of PSL.

Precisely and one should note cricket has revolutionised after the advent of T20 so much so, it has changed the criteria of how even test players are selected. Earlier this year we Jos Buttler was picked for the England tests on the basis of his brilliance in the IPL. Another notable example is Warner who was recognised for his performances in T20 cricket, before Australian management took him under their wing and developed him into a beast of a player in all formats of the game.

There was a programme on Sky Sports some years back with Robert Key and Dominic Cork who made it very clear that future of selections in test cricket would stem from performances in T20 cricket. It makes sense because the modern batsman bats at a much more swift tempo in building their innings. Also selectors are looking for complete batsmen, if you can't hack it in T20 then it shows you're not the complete package. It is unfortunate that Pakistan think tank are so far behind the Aus, NZ, SA, Ind and English counterparts.

Yes FC stats are important however if we want a better picture of their ceiling and assess their true potential as a complete batsman, they should be able to deliver in PSL and other limited overs cricket tournaments as well.

From today's performance you can see why Azhar Ali is not a complete batsman and what he's been lacking. When you haven't played much of a high level in T20 cricket (such as PSL, CPL, Natwest T20, big bash and etc), they will inevitably yield limitations in their batting. At the same time one must acknowledge Azhar Ali isn't good enough to make the PSL squad let alone the XI.

PSL filters upcoming cricketers very well courtesy of the following:

1. Good Broadcasting - none of the 1980s PTV broadcasts you see for the domestic tournaments
2. Talent Pool - Only best and fittest current crop and upcoming Pakistani cricketers are acquired. Cricket is therefore more competitive!
3. Sharing the dressing room with decent foreign players and coaches

Before the launch of PSL, filtering players was a very big challenge firstly due to the lack of quality coverage and this was thus often ignored by the selectors.

Secondly the gulf in the talent pool you find in Pakistani domestic cricket is the major reason for the difficulty in filtering players simply because it isn't as competitive as it should be. You'll find various unfit, old or some other mediocre cricketers lingering around the domestic scene that get bullied by the likes of Sami Aslam, Shan Masood and etc. Now it's important to realise there are many other numerous examples like these two who are also very mediocre and like them managed to inflate their stats in domestic cricket because of such circumstances. I know Shan Masood got picked up by a franchise but guys of his calibre are nowhere near the level to be playing in the XI of a PSL side let alone for the Pakistan team.

Asad Shafiq is another example who has had a few seasons of decent List A stats (averaging like 50+) but everyone knows he's a failed limited overs cricketer. When you have batsmen like these who can bully the lower end of the talent pool in Pakistan then they all look like legends in the making. Hence why one must appreciate the challenge of having to pick players without any PSL material - as would be the case prior to 2016.

So no PSL is not destroying Pakistan cricket, it is a blessing which we should cherish and reinforce for many years to come because it will minimise the number of selection blunders that I have witnessed year after year since 2000 when I began watching the game.
 
Precisely and one should note cricket has revolutionised after the advent of T20 so much so, it has changed the criteria of how even test players are selected. Earlier this year we Jos Buttler was picked for the England tests on the basis of his brilliance in the IPL. Another notable example is Warner who was recognised for his performances in T20 cricket, before Australian management took him under their wing and developed him into a beast of a player in all formats of the game.

There was a programme on Sky Sports some years back with Robert Key and Dominic Cork who made it very clear that future of selections in test cricket would stem from performances in T20 cricket. It makes sense because the modern batsman bats at a much more swift tempo in building their innings. Also selectors are looking for complete batsmen, if you can't hack it in T20 then it shows you're not the complete package. It is unfortunate that Pakistan think tank are so far behind the Aus, NZ, SA, Ind and English counterparts.

Yes FC stats are important however if we want a better picture of their ceiling and assess their true potential as a complete batsman, they should be able to deliver in PSL and other limited overs cricket tournaments as well.

From today's performance you can see why Azhar Ali is not a complete batsman and what he's been lacking. When you haven't played much of a high level in T20 cricket (such as PSL, CPL, Natwest T20, big bash and etc), they will inevitably yield limitations in their batting. At the same time one must acknowledge Azhar Ali isn't good enough to make the PSL squad let alone the XI.

PSL filters upcoming cricketers very well courtesy of the following:

1. Good Broadcasting - none of the 1980s PTV broadcasts you see for the domestic tournaments
2. Talent Pool - Only best and fittest current crop and upcoming Pakistani cricketers are acquired. Cricket is therefore more competitive!
3. Sharing the dressing room with decent foreign players and coaches

Before the launch of PSL, filtering players was a very big challenge firstly due to the lack of quality coverage and this was thus often ignored by the selectors.

Secondly the gulf in the talent pool you find in Pakistani domestic cricket is the major reason for the difficulty in filtering players simply because it isn't as competitive as it should be. You'll find various unfit, old or some other mediocre cricketers lingering around the domestic scene that get bullied by the likes of Sami Aslam, Shan Masood and etc. Now it's important to realise there are many other numerous examples like these two who are also very mediocre and like them managed to inflate their stats in domestic cricket because of such circumstances. I know Shan Masood got picked up by a franchise but guys of his calibre are nowhere near the level to be playing in the XI of a PSL side let alone for the Pakistan team.

Asad Shafiq is another example who has had a few seasons of decent List A stats (averaging like 50+) but everyone knows he's a failed limited overs cricketer. When you have batsmen like these who can bully the lower end of the talent pool in Pakistan then they all look like legends in the making. Hence why one must appreciate the challenge of having to pick players without any PSL material - as would be the case prior to 2016.

So no PSL is not destroying Pakistan cricket, it is a blessing which we should cherish and reinforce for many years to come because it will minimise the number of selection blunders that I have witnessed year after year since 2000 when I began watching the game.

Is psl team select player's on merit, if we selected players on merit in team we not defeated every format is different india,eng,aus and sa select player's on there domestic performance in fc or la you see there t20 teams totally different than test or odi...

Is not good average player's are available in domestic than m hafeez, imam, asad,sarfraz and bilal
 
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