Is this the weakest South Africa batting line up?

[Buffet]

Amla in his last leg, two debutante & frequent collapses!

No big batsman in form to carry the team. Yes, SA won the series and may win 3-0 here, but it's more due to inept batting from Pakistan.

Is this the weakest SA batting in the last 10-15 years? Taking inspiration from others threads here.

What do you think?

 

[rhony]

It is. Devilliers was the only consistent performer and is a huge loss for them. Sad to see SA going the Aussie way with plenty of bowlers and not many batsmen coming up the ranks.

 

[Sachin136]

de Bruyn is pretty bad, while Amla and QdK are out of form. Elgar and Bavuma are good under pressure but still just decent batsmen.

Certainly their weakest line up this century, and a huge step down from their line up of Smith, Amla, Kallis, and AB.

 

[Buffet]

It is. Devilliers was the only consistent performer and is a huge loss for them. Sad to see SA going the Aussie way with plenty of bowlers and not many batsmen coming up the ranks.

Yah, AB won the last series on his own, but he is not here any more.

Due to playing Pakistan they got away here despite batting poorly, but SA had scores of 126, 73 & 124 in SL series. All that in just 4 innings. Now here, they have batted well in one inning at home.

 

[Ab Fan]

Thats not even up for debate. Weakest since re-admission clearly.

I dont have huge expectation from SA now, at home, they will most probably lose to England, Australia, India and drew with New Zealand at home and will struggle in SC the most among SENA team in next couple of years further.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

It is.

If SA had their best side they would have beaten Pak twice by an innings. That's how pathetic this Pakistani unit is. No consistency in batting nor bowling. It's as if some T20 players are trying their luck in test cricket.

Got to give credit to Shan Masood though for adapting well.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Inexperienced line up. Amla is regressing. Unless they do something about it they will get canned everywhere except SA. 126 & 73 all out is horrible.

 

[Buffet]

Thats not even up for debate. Weakest since re-admission clearly.

I dont have huge expectation from SA now, at home, they will most probably lose to England, Australia, India and drew with New Zealand at home and will struggle in SC the most among SENA team in next couple of years further.

That will be tragic because SA team used to bat well in SC. AB, Kallis, Amla etc were big guns in many SC tours. I hope it gets better.

 

[Buffet]

Inexperienced line up. Amla is regressing. Unless they do something about it they will get canned everywhere except SA. 126 & 73 all out is horrible.

Hopefully, it's just experience.

 

[Jo_Don]

Amla in his last leg, two debutante & frequent collapses!

No big batsman in form to carry the team. Yes, SA won the series and may win 3-0 here, but it's more due to inept batting from Pakistan.

Is this the weakest SA batting in the last 10-15 years? Taking inspiration from others threads here.

What do you think?

It's weak now but will come right in about two years once all the retirements are done (Amla after the World Cup and Faf after the T20 cup).

Reason being that they haven't had time to settle as a unit and gel, starting with Smith's and Kallis' retirement.

There's a few promising players in the wings to fill the gaps, like Janneman Malan, who's almost a definite.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/605680.html

And of course Hamza will be in there. Just a matter of waiting out the current period and allowing the unit to settle.

Also, once our selectors identify talent, they often believe in giving them an extended run. Because even if 1/5 of those pays off, and they turn into an Amla or Kallis, then it would have been worth it.

 

[Ab Fan]

That will be tragic because SA team used to bat well in SC. AB, Kallis, Amla etc were big guns in many SC tours. I hope it gets better.

Yes, SA has great record in Asia between 2007 to 2014. Two drawn series in India, one series won in Pakistan and two series draw in UAE, one series win in SL as well. Overall, you have done commendable effort in Asia during that phase and you did it without any great spinner.

Now, Steyn is almost done, Philander is not the same in Asia, no ABDV, Amla well past and younger players havent shown enough mettle against spin, so, tough time ahead, particularly in Asia for you guys but hopefully things will turn around with more experience.

 

[Buffet]

It's weak now but will come right in about two years once all the retirements are done (Amla after the World Cup and Faf after the T20 cup).

Reason being that they haven't had time to settle as a unit and gel, starting with Smith's and Kallis' retirement.

There's a few promising players in the wings to fill the gaps, like Janneman Malan, who's almost a definite.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/605680.html

And of course Hamza will be in there. Just a matter of waiting out the current period and allowing the unit to settle.

Also, once our selectors identify talent, they often believe in giving them an extended run. Because even if 1/5 of those pays off, and they turn into an Amla or Kallis, then it would have been worth it.

Some names in under 19 can be good in future. Malan is a good prospect. I suspect some of the current names will mature as well.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Not just batting. Their catching today was horrendous by their own standards. Steyn was wicketless only because of that.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Weakest ever SA batting line up or not they still have to much for minnows like pakistan.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Yes. As I mentioned earlier, Shaun Pollock will walk into this side purely as a batsman.

But they have great talent coming up. I expect SA to remain in top 3 for the next 7-8 years at least.

 

[Rahul1]

Every team goes through this phase. SA have a very strong domestic cricket structure and they will become a world class team in a couple of years. Same goes for Australia.

 

[rhony]

I think AB's retirement was a shocker to everybody. There was no one being groomed for that role. He was expected to play until at least the WC. There is no guarantee about the youngsters anymore. They can choose to focus on T20 leagues like the Aussie youngsters.

 

[Hasan123]

Still better than Pakistans and they will find better players eventually. Who knows De Bruyn and Hamza could come good yet.

 

[Robert]

I think international batting is at all all-time low. Apart from NZ who look strong. SA, England, Australia, Pakistan, WI and SL are all their weakest ever, while most of the Indians haven’t the skills to bat outside PISLB.

Somebody on FB actually claimed that we are in a golden era of bowling, whereas it is truer to say that T20 has degraded test batting techniques. Players cannot bat long any more, as it is all about hitting fifty in twenty balls.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think international batting is at all all-time low. Apart from NZ who look strong. SA, England, Australia, Pakistan, WI and SL are all their weakest ever, while most of the Indians haven’t the skills to bat outside PISLB.

Somebody on FB actually claimed that we are in a golden era of bowling, whereas it is truer to say that T20 has degraded test batting techniques. Players cannot bat long any more, as it is all about hitting fifty in twenty balls.

I dont think England have weak battting. Root, Bairstow and Buttler in their LINEUP.

 

[Dark Magician]

Well there's guys scoring runs at domestic level. Janneman Malan and Hamza will play test cricket and they will do very very well. The big problem currently is that Amla is on the wane, De Bruyn has not adapted well to test cricket(mental more than lack of skill) Bavuma IMO is never gonna average over 40. He's batting at his maximum limit. De Kock IMO hasn't done too badly. Amla and Faf will retire after the world cup and the test team should look like this.

Elgar
Markram
Malan/Moore/Hendricks.
Hamza/De Bruyn
Bavuma
Mulder
De Kock/Verryne/Klassen
Philander
Maharaj
Rabada
Steyn/Olivier
Ngidi
Nortje.

Based on those players Markram is the best of that lot with Malan and Hamza close second if they can step up. Mulder is being touted as a prodigy but I'm not convinced he's good enough to bat at 6. If he does get into the side he'll bat at 7. The other question that needs to be asked is of Bavuma. Does he really deserve to play?

 

[Markhor]

I saw South Africa in England in 2017 and Sri Lanka last summer, and they were very vulnerable against swing and spin.

However South Africa's strength is their school cricket. Their private and top public schools still seem to be churning out talent. Whereas in Pakistan school cricket is not what it used to be.

It's weak now but will come right in about two years once all the retirements are done (Amla after the World Cup and Faf after the T20 cup).

Reason being that they haven't had time to settle as a unit and gel, starting with Smith's and Kallis' retirement.

There's a few promising players in the wings to fill the gaps, like Janneman Malan, who's almost a definite.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/605680.html

And of course Hamza will be in there. Just a matter of waiting out the current period and allowing the unit to settle.

Also, once our selectors identify talent, they often believe in giving them an extended run. Because even if 1/5 of those pays off, and they turn into an Amla or Kallis, then it would have been worth it.

Most Pakistan fans would kill for a 22 yr old batsman averaging 54 in FC cricket.

Markram has started his Test career strongly though had a bad Sri Lanka tour. Hamza and Malan seem like excellent prospects, just about managing the transition properly. The seam bowling is terrific and Maharaj is badly underrated on here.

 

[Savak]

Pakistani batting line up is weaker

 

[soso_killer]

These reactionary threads annoy me tbh. A team isn't allowed to transition now? Is this side weaker than the side that represented South Africa in our first match? Debatable really.

A lot has been made about AB, another false illusion. South Africa beat a full strength Australia in Australia black and blue, no AB nor Steyn. Smith even tried to deliberately injure Philander, coward. This side in SENA countries will compete as long as they are not missing more than one key bowler. No team is gonna come to South Africa and have it all their own way. The problem with South Africa has always been dropping to the level of the opposition and pull their bottoms against the top sides. In Asia they'll get beat black and blue however, no doubt, but that's okay it's part of the process.

I'll give them three to four years, South Africans have always been slow starters to international cricket (Kallis,Amla, AB, Steyn etc) When AB quipped (around 2008) "I want to be the best player in the world in two/three years", everyone laughed and said he was delusional. Those very same people are his groupies today. There's a process players aren't robots they must develop.

 

[Saj]

I honestly believe that this South African team is one of the weakest ever. Steyn over the hill, Amla passed his best, other batsmen nowhere near world-class, Philander not 100% fit, Rabada not at his best, no de Villiers, no bowlers of the calibre of Donald or Pollock.

Yet they are hammering Pakistan.......says it all.

 

[Snak3eye5]

It is.

If SA had their best side they would have beaten Pak twice by an innings. That's how pathetic this Pakistani unit is. No consistency in batting nor bowling. It's as if some T20 players are trying their luck in test cricket.

Got to give credit to Shan Masood though for adapting well.

Tell me you’re kidding on the bowling. Twice the bowling pulled wonders and got the Sa batsmen out for less that 300 runs. Otherwise we would be seeing 600+ scores

 

[soso_killer]

Since that England tour we've discovered Makram and Ngidi. Not saying they'll be great players, but they'll do a job especially in SENA countries.

In a way I'm glad Makram has been rubbish in both ODI's and T20's.I want him to develop in the County Championship. I worry about Rabada and Ngidi due to the IPL. Steyn made his debut in 2004/5, was kept away from L/O cricket. Didn't make the squad for the 2007 WC. His first WC was in 2011, six years after his international debut by which point he was already an ATG. That's my biggest concern about the current generation, where is cricket going? What are the priorities?

What impact will the MSL have on SA cricket? First Class cricket is being pushed further into the summer when our wickets are a bit drier. We've always produced good players of swing, playing First Class late won't help in that regard. There's already talk of drop-in pitches as the MSL is protected to grow over the years. That scares me the most.

 

[soso_killer]

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-crick...est-india-in-south-africa-test-series-1992-93

I assume this is SA strongest side.

 

[soso_killer]

Mulder should have been allowed to bat in top 5, they destroyed him. Was never going to be a bowling all rounder.

Well there's guys scoring runs at domestic level. Janneman Malan and Hamza will play test cricket and they will do very very well. The big problem currently is that Amla is on the wane, De Bruyn has not adapted well to test cricket(mental more than lack of skill) Bavuma IMO is never gonna average over 40. He's batting at his maximum limit. De Kock IMO hasn't done too badly. Amla and Faf will retire after the world cup and the test team should look like this.

Elgar
Markram
Malan/Moore/Hendricks.
Hamza/De Bruyn
Bavuma
Mulder
De Kock/Verryne/Klassen
Philander
Maharaj
Rabada
Steyn/Olivier
Ngidi
Nortje.

Based on those players Markram is the best of that lot with Malan and Hamza close second if they can step up. Mulder is being touted as a prodigy but I'm not convinced he's good enough to bat at 6. If he does get into the side he'll bat at 7. The other question that needs to be asked is of Bavuma. Does he really deserve to play?

 

[Buffet]

I honestly believe that this South African team is one of the weakest ever. Steyn over the hill, Amla passed his best, other batsmen nowhere near world-class, Philander not 100% fit, Rabada not at his best, no de Villiers, no bowlers of the calibre of Donald or Pollock.

Yet they are hammering Pakistan.......says it all.

Bowling is top class. There is even a good spinner right now. Issue is with batting where side is not established and lots of new batsmen will come.

 

[soso_killer]

Agreed, so much emphasis on scoring rather occupying the crease and batting time. It's one thing to have one dasher, not everyone though. T20 has destroyed Test cricket.

I think international batting is at all all-time low. Apart from NZ who look strong. SA, England, Australia, Pakistan, WI and SL are all their weakest ever, while most of the Indians haven’t the skills to bat outside PISLB.

Somebody on FB actually claimed that we are in a golden era of bowling, whereas it is truer to say that T20 has degraded test batting techniques. Players cannot bat long any more, as it is all about hitting fifty in twenty balls.

 

[Saj]

Bowling is top class. There is even a good spinner right now. Issue is with batting where side is not established and lots of new batsmen will come.

I disagree.

Steyn nowhere near his best or fully fit.

Philander ditto Steyn.

Olivier has been made to look brilliant.

Rabada has not been at his best either.

 

[Hasan123]

I disagree.

Steyn nowhere near his best or fully fit.

Philander ditto Steyn.

Olivier has been made to look brilliant.

Rabada has not been at his best either.

Rabada hasn't been at his best but he will come good. Ngidi is a fantastic talent. Bowling isn't the issue. Their batting is but they have talent coming through. Need to give them to get through the transition and you'll see. They beat Australia and India at home . Can't be that bad.

 

[Buffet]

I disagree.

Steyn nowhere near his best or fully fit.

Philander ditto Steyn.

Olivier has been made to look brilliant.

Rabada has not been at his best either.

Rabada and Co. may not be bowling at their best, but I don't have too much worry in that part. Batting is simply all newbies or players in their last leg.

 

[soso_killer]

I disagree.

Steyn nowhere near his best or fully fit.

Philander ditto Steyn.

Olivier has been made to look brilliant.

Rabada has not been at his best either.

Best bowling attack in the world is not top class? The current crop of bowlers are easily the best bowling unit since readmission. Three bowlers with 150+ wickets each under 23 suggests that as well. Then there's Ngidi, not sure I rate Olivier just yet. He won't bounce everyone out, want to see different method of dismissal. Add Maharaj and it's more than good enough. Anyone who thinks Steyn is past it clear hasn't been paying attention this series.

 

[Saj]

Best bowling attack in the world is not top class? The current crop of bowlers are easily the best bowling unit since readmission. Three bowlers with 150+ wickets each under 23 suggests that as well. Then there's Ngidi, not sure I rate Olivier just yet. He won't bounce everyone out, want to see different method of dismissal. Add Maharaj and it's more than good enough. Anyone who thinks Steyn is past it clear hasn't been paying attention this series.

Compared to previous South African teams, I don't think this side is all that great and is really being made to look better than what they are, by an awful Pakistani side.

 

[The Viper]

Looks pretty weak but I am sure they will rebuild with some talented players. Markram is quality. Zubayr has a fantastic FC record. Other players like Malan have done well in domestic. They will struggle for a few years though.

 

[soso_killer]

Rabada hasn't been consistent this series, however the narrative that this bowling attack isn't top class as a result of that makes no sense whatsoever. Even the likes of McGrath had ordinary series, does that mean he wasn't part of a top class attack? The bowling isn't the issue, batting is.

Rabada and Co. may not be bowling at their best, but I don't have too much worry in that part. Batting is simply all newbies or players in their last leg.

 

[Buffet]

Rabada hasn't been consistent this series, however the narrative that this bowling attack isn't top class as a result of that makes no sense whatsoever. Even the likes of McGrath had ordinary series, does that mean he wasn't part of a top class attack? The bowling isn't the issue, batting is.

I agree and said the same earlier. Bowling is top class and with a quality spinner, it looks more well rounded to me.

 

[soso_killer]

South Africa never had a better bowling unit than this, batting is none existent but that has nothing to do with the bowlers. By the way which side are you comparing too? SA had weaker teams before, like the one I posted above. This is a transitional side that'll do the job in SENA, get slaughtered elsewhere.

Compared to previous South African teams, I don't think this side is all that great and is really being made to look better than what they are, by an awful Pakistani side.

 

[hadi123]

Compared to previous South African teams, I don't think this side is all that great and is really being made to look better than what they are, by an awful Pakistani side.

I agree with your points overall. Don't get me wrong, this is still a strong SA team but definitely one of the weaker SA sides in recent times. The batting line up is nowhere near as good as the line up which consisted of the likes of Graeme Smith, peak Hashim Amla, peak AB de Villiers, Kallis and the bowling line up had peak Steyn, Morkel etc.

And you're right about the SA bowlers this series. Steyn isn't the same anymore after injuries, Philander not fully fit. Rabada hasn't been bowling to his best, his spell in that collapse in 2nd innings in 1st Test was amazing but hasn't been anything special other than that. Olivier has taken wickets because of our batsmen's inability to play the short ball. This has been an embarrasment.

 

[Ab Fan]

I am not convinced with SA bowling in Asia. [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION]

In the SL(a weak Asian side) tour, these were the bowling averages: -

Dale Steyn: - 89
Kagiso Rabada: - 23
Vernon Philander:- 38( and he was worst of lot)
Lungi Ngidi: - 63
Keshav Maharaj: - 24

In contrast, SL bowlers had much better average. Barring Rabada, who is there for SA in Asia?

 

[Buffet]

Olivier needs to do other things if he wants to be successful in international cricket. You can't bounce out everyone.

 

[soso_killer]

That's why I was baffled by this thread in the first place, if South Africa was going to play with this side for the next few years I'd understand. But Amla and Faf will be gone within the next 12 months. Steyn wants 500 Test wickets, so he'll be around for 2 years at least (injuries permitting). When SA has a settled XI I'd understand such threads? But making comparison between settled sides and one in transition makes no sense.

 

[Buffet]

I am not convinced with SA bowling in Asia. [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION]

In the SL(a weak Asian side) tour, these were the bowling averages: -

Dale Steyn: - 89
Kagiso Rabada: - 23
Vernon Philander:- 38( and he was worst of lot)
Lungi Ngidi: - 63
Keshav Maharaj: - 24

In contrast, SL bowlers had much higher average. Barring Rabada, who is there for SA in Asia?

I don't think SA bowling will look as good as it looks in SA conditions, but I won't read too much into those average in SL series. SA barely put any runs. When batsmen put 126, 73 & 124.... you can't read much into bowling average of bowlers. Out of listed bowlers, Rabada and Keshav did fine. Steyn when fully fit will do more than fine even now in Asia. So that's 3 bowlers.

 

[topspin]

Amla in his last leg, two debutante & frequent collapses!

No big batsman in form to carry the team. Yes, SA won the series and may win 3-0 here, but it's more due to inept batting from Pakistan.

Is this the weakest SA batting in the last 10-15 years? Taking inspiration from others threads here.

What do you think?

Yes it its weakest I've ever seen. Like Bavuma is even worse than Shafiq lol. Pakistan's batting is obviously still a lot worse though.

 

[Buffet]

That's why I was baffled by this thread in the first place, if South Africa was going to play with this side for the next few years I'd understand. But Amla and Faf will be gone within the next 12 months. Steyn wants 500 Test wickets, so he'll be around for 2 years at least (injuries permitting). When SA has a settled XI I'd understand such threads? But making comparison between settled sides and one in transition makes no sense.

SL is very ordinary side and if batting puts 126, 73 & 124 then you have to say that batting is very weak. At home, out of all teams, India and Pakistan have been causing so many collapses. Yes, Batting is inexperienced, but simply experience can't be used to waive off these frequent collapse.

Unless, batting line up starts putting big scores, I will be doubtful. It seems too many are playing limited overs cricket in test format. Let's circle back after 2 years and see where this unit stands.

 

[Ab Fan]

I don't think SA bowling will look as good as it looks in SA conditions, but I won't read too much into those average in SL series. SA barely put any runs. When batsmen put 126, 73 & 124.... you can't read much into bowling average of bowlers. Out of listed bowlers, Rabada and Keshav did fine. Steyn when fully fit will do more than fine even now in Asia. So that's 3 bowlers.

Yes but that was also SL in SL who are ordinary side. It will be even more harder against India in India because even our second string batting lineup has got players who average 60 in India, the likes of Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and Karun Nair. The scenario this time might well be similar to what it was in 2015.

 

[Buffet]

Yes but that was also SL in SL who are ordinary side. It will be even more harder against India in India because even our second string batting lineup has got players who average 60 in India, the likes of Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and Karun Nair. The scenario this time might well be similar to what it was in 2015.

We will find out if they can do better in next trip there. In current shape, team will get rolled over due to batting.

 

[Aman]

Weakest I've seen.

 

[Robert]

I dont think England have weak battting. Root, Bairstow and Buttler in their LINEUP.

Root would get into any Engkand side ever. But Bairstow and Buttler average in the mid thirties. There are no test openers to speak of and the #3 position is not sorted yet. Wait to see if Bairstow succeeds there against better bowling than SL.

 

[Ramsay]

This is RSA’s ‘D’ team! Easliy, the weakest since their re-admission to Intl. cricket. It is very sad that Pakistan didn’t capitalise on the opportunity and win the series!

 

[warcry]

every team goes through through transitions including south africa,
this is not a D team, some players have retired, it happens to every sports team in the history of sport.
people seem to get hysterical over nothing much.

 

[saeed5646]

Amla in his last leg, two debutante & frequent collapses!

No big batsman in form to carry the team. Yes, SA won the series and may win 3-0 here, but it's more due to inept batting from Pakistan.

Is this the weakest SA batting in the last 10-15 years? Taking inspiration from others threads here.

What do you think?

Let the current team play against top team so we can judge them where they stand .they have beaten number 1 team recently on tough pitches .there transition period won.t be long as they have already found quality player in markram

 

[Dark Magician]

Looks pretty weak but I am sure they will rebuild with some talented players. Markram is quality. Zubayr has a fantastic FC record. Other players like Malan have done well in domestic. They will struggle for a few years though.

Probably in Asia. They should be alright anywhere else.

 

[Dark Magician]

This team is in transition and seeing as there are players in domestic level putting in the numbers o reckon we'll be alright? Hamza will come in for Amla and Janneman Malan will come in at the top of the order. These are consistent performers at domestic level.

Malan
Elgar
Hamza
Markram
Bavuma/ De Bruyn
De Kock
Mulder
This' seems a reasonable assumption that we'll be having a team like this one in the near future. As a South African I can confidently say we should be alright in SENA countries. It's Asia that bothers me particularly the type of batsmen we producing. Most of our new lads bat with hard hands and that will be detrimental in the sub continent.

 

[Buffet]

This team is in transition and seeing as there are players in domestic level putting in the numbers o reckon we'll be alright? Hamza will come in for Amla and Janneman Malan will come in at the top of the order. These are consistent performers at domestic level.

Malan
Elgar
Hamza
Markram
Bavuma/ De Bruyn
De Kock
Mulder
This' seems a reasonable assumption that we'll be having a team like this one in the near future. As a South African I can confidently say we should be alright in SENA countries. It's Asia that bothers me particularly the type of batsmen we producing. Most of our new lads bat with hard hands and that will be detrimental in the sub continent.

Some one like Kallis is needed to lead in Asia.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Bump. I thought this team was supposed to do well in SENA atleast. But after getting whitewashed by Lanka at home , I think we can safely say that Saffers are likely to struggle everywhere for a few years.

 

[jnaveen1980]

https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Proteas/kirsten-lack-of-expectation-will-benefit-proteas-20190522

Kirsten: Lack of expectation will benefit Proteas

Cape Town - Former Proteas coach Gary Kirsten believes that the lack of expectation surrounding South Africa at this year's Cricket World Cup will benefit them.

Kirsten, who coached the Proteas from 2011 to 2013, was also head coach of the Indian side that won the World Cup in 2011.

Speaking to the Mumbai Mirror, the 51-year-old opened up on South Africa's disappointing history at the World Cup and their chances in 2019.

"There is no doubt that the South African team has under-performed in previous World Cup knockout matches," Kirsten is quoted as saying.

"They are not the first professional sports team to experience this and will certainly not be the last.

"There will be far less expectation placed on them for this year's World Cup and I believe this will benefit the team and hopefully free the players up to reach their potential."

The Proteas begin their 2019 campaign when they take on hosts and tournament favourites England at The Oval on May 30.

 

[Last Monetarist]

South Africa really need to start picking the right batsmen going forward. It is clear that the likes of Bavuma and de Bruyn are just about good enough to represent Zimbabwe, but are nowhere near test quality. Bavuma averages 33 after 37 tests, while de Bruyn is averaging 19 after 10. Whereas, I understand that Bavuma is being picked due to the colour of his skin, I am utterly mystified why de Bruyn keeps getting selected.

They need to look at the next crop of young batsmen: Zubayr Hamza and Janneman Malan and back them to come good just like how they supported Amla and de Villiers when they were chosen 15 years ago. To keep picking Bavuma and de Bruyn is insanity.

I also think it's imperative Markram accepts more responsibility and starts performing consistently. He's got sufficient experience to take the next step.

 

[tyron_woodley]

South Africa really need to start picking the right batsmen going forward. It is clear that the likes of Bavuma and de Bruyn are just about good enough to represent Zimbabwe, but are nowhere near test quality. Bavuma averages 33 after 37 tests, while de Bruyn is averaging 19 after 10. Whereas, I understand that Bavuma is being picked due to the colour of his skin, I am utterly mystified why de Bruyn keeps getting selected.

They need to look at the next crop of young batsmen: Zubayr Hamza and Janneman Malan and back them to come good just like how they supported Amla and de Villiers when they were chosen 15 years ago. To keep picking Bavuma and de Bruyn is insanity.

I also think it's imperative Markram accepts more responsibility and starts performing consistently. He's got sufficient experience to take the next step.

hamza and dussen both played crap for the A team in the tour match hence they dint get picked.

 

[Last Monetarist]

hamza and dussen both played crap for the A team in the tour match hence they dint get picked.

de Bruyn also failed during the tour games. There's a long trail of evidence which suggests that Bavuma and de Bruyn aren't up to test cricket. Only a complete imbecile will continue to support their selection. South Africa need to start picking young batsmen.

 

[tyron_woodley]

de Bruyn also failed during the tour games. There's a long trail of evidence which suggests that Bavuma and de Bruyn aren't up to test cricket. Only a complete imbecile will continue to support their selection. South Africa need to start picking young batsmen.

I am not disagreeing with you at all.

ideally I would want dussen, Malan, hamza in the team but the selection board think otherwise.

s.aftica is my second favourite team. my partner is afrikaaan Indian mix south african.

I also want to see dupavillan given a chance. nortje too. but I know conditions don't suit them however nortje has pace. Would be useful in India as reverse swing at pace can be deadly.