Is winning a single match against India an achievement for Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan?

[Unbiased-Fan]

Till 2015, India and Srilanka matches were guaranteed to be close encounters.
Dilshan, Jayasuriya, Mahela and Sangakkara used to smack Indians for fun.
After their retirements, Srilanka almost become minnow level team in all three formats.
In 2017 tour, India smoke them in every format to win 9 out of 9 matches in that series.
Yes, they won series in 2021. But, it was due to covid emergency in indian squad.


Pakistan on other hand, came close to beat India in 2022 and 2024 world cups. But, somehow India manage to win both those matches.
I think, it is very difficult task for Pakistan to beat India in longer formats due to bad fitness of Pakistani players. Only in t20is, they can challenge


Bangladesh has surprisingly done well against India recently. They beat India in recent Asia cup and bilateral series. But, in big tournaments they are usually beaten convincingly by India.


In last 10 Years, India have played 105 matches against these three teams across the format. They have won 81 matches and lost just 19.


So, do you think it is a big achievement for all these countries to beat India in even a single match now a days?

 

[NishanKonar]

Harsh but true

We have reached a stage where Pakistan / Sri Lanka / Bangladesh beating India is a mini upset. That's how standards have plummeted in Asian cricket except India. Afghanistan is an exception - improving by leaps & bounds

 

[Kohlhaas]

Test matches, yes it is. Any thing less than 50 overs is always something of a lottery (which is why I find T20 so uninteresting) so pretty much anything can happen.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Under Babar, Pakistan have been turned into ultra minnows against India. Atleast under Misbah Pakistan would beat India in India in an Odi series.

Even Junaid Khan and Nasir Jamshed were talented enough to beat India and look what kind of Cricketers are being produced today..

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

You're getting me wrong. I have seen many of the pages on YouTube and Facebook unnecessary trolling and boasting about victory over India for many years.

 

[Kianig89]

India is not alien to chokes the famous Ahmedabad debacle in front of 132000 is immortal.

Yes Indian team is strong but by no means invincible don't forget a below average Pakistan team whacked them back in 2012/13 when India were clear favorites reminding them that this is my yard.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Given asian teams strength now. It does feel like an upset.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

India is not alien to chokes the famous Ahmedabad debacle in front of 132000 is immortal.

Yes Indian team is strong but by no means invincible don't forget a below average Pakistan team whacked them back in 2012/13 when India were clear favorites reminding them that this is my yard.

Focus on the word 'Now A days'.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Indians had been hearing about the mighty domination by Pakistan in overall numbers for ages. Everyone has their time. Pakistan still leads India in tests and ODI overall.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

India is not alien to chokes the famous Ahmedabad debacle in front of 132000 is immortal.

Yes Indian team is strong but by no means invincible don't forget a below average Pakistan team whacked them back in 2012/13 when India were clear favorites reminding them that this is my yard.

Its 2024 sir, its been almost 12 years now! 3 ODI world cups have happened in that time span.

 

[kron]

Till 2015, India and Srilanka matches were guaranteed to be close encounters.
Dilshan, Jayasuriya, Mahela and Sangakkara used to smack Indians for fun.
After their retirements, Srilanka almost become minnow level team in all three formats.
In 2017 tour, India smoke them in every format to win 9 out of 9 matches in that series.
Yes, they won series in 2021. But, it was due to covid emergency in indian squad.


Pakistan on other hand, came close to beat India in 2022 and 2024 world cups. But, somehow India manage to win both those matches.
I think, it is very difficult task for Pakistan to beat India in longer formats due to bad fitness of Pakistani players. Only in t20is, they can challenge


Bangladesh has surprisingly done well against India recently. They beat India in recent Asia cup and bilateral series. But, in big tournaments they are usually beaten convincingly by India.


In last 10 Years, India have played 105 matches against these three teams across the format. They have won 81 matches and lost just 19.


So, do you think it is a big achievement for all these countries to beat India in even a single match now a days?

India don't consider bhaaag viru bhaag's and sweepshots team a challenge whatsoever. Like not worth considering them as a cricketing nation tbh.

Even with all their prime players they couldn't even win a single test in India. Jayasuriya used to hit weak Indian bowling attacks. He would pee in his pants if he had to face bumrah shami siraj arhshdeep etc

In odi I guess it was somewhat competitive but India usually dominate lankans there too.

Pakistan is the only real team that could go h2h with India post 2000 era. Even post 2013 series only Pakistan are considered as a threat out of Asian teams. Not in tests. They would get destroyed in tests and this includes misbah's number 1 ranked team too.
Misbahs team would never beat kohli or rahane or rohits team in tests. They won't win at home either.
In odi it would have been competitive till that 2012 series.

Post that all indian players reached their prime.

 

[kron]

India is not alien to chokes the famous Ahmedabad debacle in front of 132000 is immortal.

Yes Indian team is strong but by no means invincible don't forget a below average Pakistan team whacked them back in 2012/13 when India were clear favorites reminding them that this is my yard.

But then ended up winning the champions trophy right after.

India were trying out players in that series.

Pakistan was a good team anyway at that point till about 2015 ish.

 

[kron]

Focus on the word 'Now A days'.

Even then it dint matter. What's the icc h2h record? India also won champions trophy right after 2012 series which India lost. Shami dint play 2 of the games from memory.

 

[nish_mate]

For BD and their toy tigers yes
SL and Pak have rich cricketing heritage, history, presence, aura etc and have given India quite a few Phainties

BD on other hand are more famous for their immature fans and players...

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

India is not alien to chokes the famous Ahmedabad debacle in front of 132000 is immortal.

Yes Indian team is strong but by no means invincible don't forget a below average Pakistan team whacked them back in 2012/13 when India were clear favorites reminding them that this is my yard.

You need to remember what was the biggest reason you won in 2012.

You had two proven chuckers in the eleven, Saeed Ajmal, Hafeez on spicy pitches and India was going through a transition phase with Sachin gone, Sehwag and Gambhir getting old.

Even this Pakistani team might beat that Indian team.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yes it is an achievement. For Pakistan particularly because of the lack of bilateral cricket.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

You need to remember what was the biggest reason you won in 2012.

You had two proven chuckers in the eleven, Saeed Ajmal, Hafeez on spicy pitches and India was going through a transition phase with Sachin gone, Sehwag and Gambhir getting old.

Even this Pakistani team might beat that Indian team.

A loss is a loss bhai, its on the records! We have to accept what the final result is. BUT

India is not alien to chokes the famous Ahmedabad debacle in front of 132000 is immortal.

Yes Indian team is strong but by no means invincible don't forget a below average Pakistan team whacked them back in 2012/13 when India were clear favorites reminding them that this is my yard.

Funny thing is that, now our fellow neighbors are importing Aussie wins over us in order to troll us .

Let's try to aim for utter invincibility too

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You need to remember what was the biggest reason you won in 2012.

You had two proven chuckers in the eleven, Saeed Ajmal, Hafeez on spicy pitches and India was going through a transition phase with Sachin gone, Sehwag and Gambhir getting old.

Even this Pakistani team might beat that Indian team.

You can dissect every series and every match ever played in such a way. There are very few series where both sides are equally matched, neither side has a slice of luck, and everything is completely equal.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I would say that Pakistan team of 2012/

You can dissect every series and every match ever played in such a way. There are very few series where both sides are equally matched, neither side has a slice of luck, and everything is completely equal.

I am saying that the teams were completely different to current ones and ut was 12 years ago, how is this a recent thing.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Of course, that's what we call competition

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I would say that Pakistan team of 2012/

I am saying that the teams were completely different to current ones and ut was 12 years ago, how is this a recent thing.

It is the only data point available due to the lack of bilateral cricket.

 

[pratiktc]

It is not just India.

Today the top 4 white ball batting units in world are India/SA/Eng/Aus. All these teams have pushed the frontier of white ball batting and have atleast 3-4 world class smashers in their top 7. Pak team of today would be lucky to take 1 white ball match off any of these in a bilateral series.

Pak batting has always been mediocre and never close to world best but quality pace and spin bowling were their biggest weapons.

In last couple of years Pak spin quality has become worst in its history. When you cannot outbat teams or restrict them in middle overs you cannot beat them.

Even Sri Lanka is a low level team but atleast on a slow spinning deck they can compete with bigger teams. Pak cannot even do that anymore.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Cricket has always been in an unwritten tier system:
1. top 4 or 5 teams
2. next 4 or 5 full members
3. next 4 or 5 top level associates

Pakistan for the first time in history has firmly fallen into 2nd tier. Its not a small dip, the decline has been consistent
SL had a brief spike in 96 to 98, but were never firmly top tier bu post Sanga/Mahela are also firmly in tier 2.
Bangladesh, rose to tier 2 for a while but keeps flirting going back to tier 3.

I feel the tier 2 will gradually expand, but top tier will remain of Ind/Aus/Eng and SA. The only entry back can be of Pakistan and no one else is close.

 

[mominsaigol]

Under Babar, Pakistan have been turned into ultra minnows against India. Atleast under Misbah Pakistan would beat India in India in an Odi series.

Even Junaid Khan and Nasir Jamshed were talented enough to beat India and look what kind of Cricketers are being produced today..

Pakistan played one series against a transitioning Indian team which featured sehwag and Ghambir's final series + yuvi who had cancer and a bowling lineup so poor, kohli was forced to bowl?

Only time misbah managed to beat a full strength India was in Asia Cup, otherwise India crushed Misbah's side black and blue in every encounter they had when they were at full strength.

Atleast in babar's case, their t20 encounters have been close affairs with the exception of 2021 which Pakistan easily won.

Odi encounters have been one sided with India tearing Pakistan a new one.

 

[Mesozoic]

Wow that 81-19 record is astounding.If you add in Afganistan as well, that record will look even more ridiculous.

Tells you how much the gap is between India and the other Asian teams currently.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Pakistan winning a match at this point is a positive.

Maybe need to arrange a T20 tri series against Papua New Guinea & Uganda.

 

[Devadwal]

India is not alien to chokes the famous Ahmedabad debacle in front of 132000 is immortal.

Yes Indian team is strong but by no means invincible don't forget a below average Pakistan team whacked them back in 2012/13 when India were clear favorites reminding them that this is my yard.

That was more than a decade ago lol. Indian team were also beaten by England ( Test series) in 2012-13 series.

 

[deltexas]

India is not alien to chokes the famous Ahmedabad debacle in front of 132000 is immortal.

Yes Indian team is strong but by no means invincible don't forget a below average Pakistan team whacked them back in 2012/13 when India were clear favorites reminding them that this is my yard.

The question was Ind vs Sl Pak Ban. And for that question - absolutely. And honestly as a cricket lover - thats disappointing. Cricket is played by few countries so you need teams to be stronger. As I said before - dont see any teams other than Aus Ind Eng winning any ICC events for the next 10 years and thats a said indictment. And that Ahmedabad loss was with Aus not SL pak Ban. And once its a final as Gilly used to say - it's a 2 horse race and anyone can win.

 

[sweep_shot]

LOL. Absolutely not.

I expect India to come to the ground once Bumrah, Kohli, and Rohit retire.

 

[Mesozoic]

LOL. Absolutely not.

I expect India to come to the ground once Bumrah, Kohli, and Rohit retire.

There will be replacements for them by the time they hang their boots. Same was said when we had Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvi, Dhoni etc but we did get pretty good replacements for them didn't we?

If you're wishing India would fall to the ground just because a few players retired, then you're in for a disappointment big time.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

There will be replacements for them by the time they hang their boots. Same was said when we had Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvi, Dhoni etc but we did get pretty good replacements for them didn't we?

If you're wishing India would fall to the ground just because a few players retired, then you're in for a disappointment big time.

Shhh don't ruin the dreams!

 

[sugumarrising]

This thread is about India vs rest of the Asian teams performance, but our Pakistani fans are bringing the Australia match unnecessarily, if we are chokers than some teams only qualified for the world Cup semis onces in 6 world cups what do we call them 'jokers', India has 6 ICC trophies accross formats what about others records?, pakistan are lucky we are not playing bilateral series regularly.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India don't consider bhaaag viru bhaag's and sweepshots team a challenge whatsoever. Like not worth considering them as a cricketing nation tbh.

Lungans are useless. Even with all their prime players they couldn't even win a single test in India. Jayasuriya used to hit weak Indian bowling attacks. He would pee in his pants if he had to face bumrah shami siraj arhshdeep etc

In odi I guess it was somewhat competitive but India usually dominate lankans there too.

Pakistan is the only real team that could go h2h with India post 2000 era. Even post 2013 series only Pakistan are considered as a threat out of Asian teams. Not in tests. They would get destroyed in tests and this includes misbah's number 1 ranked team too.
Misbahs team would never beat kohli or rahane or rohits team in tests. They won't win at home either.
In odi it would have been competitive till that 2012 series.

Post that all indian players reached their prime.

A bilateral post that period would end in a bloodbath for even Pakistan.

That didn't make any sense. Why would India see itself as a challenge? Are you okay?

 

[uppercut]

It is the only data point available due to the lack of bilateral cricket.

Naah there have been 10 ODIs played since 2012 ... Pakistan has won exactly TWO matches out of 10.

And in T20Is there have been 11 matches and Pakistan has won 3. So overall pakistan has won 5 matches out of 21 which is a pretty decent sample .... lol

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Naah there have been 10 ODIs played since 2012 ... Pakistan has won exactly TWO matches out of 10.

And in T20Is there have been 11 matches and Pakistan has won 3. So overall pakistan has won 5 matches out of 21 which is a pretty decent sample .... lol

Even back in the day when Pakistan were trumping India in bilaterals and beating them black and blue they still lost the odd low stakes WC game.

We can't read too much into it. The lack of bilaterals completely skews things.

 

[uppercut]

Even back in the day when Pakistan were trumping India in bilaterals and beating them black and blue they still lost the odd low stakes WC game.

We can't read too much into it. The lack of bilaterals completely skews things.

WHAT !!! Since when did WC matches between Ind and Pakistan were retroactively reclassified as "Low stakes matches"

Nobody gives a rats tail about bilaterals in 2024

 

[DeadlyVenom]

WHAT !!! Since when did WC matches between Ind and Pakistan were retroactively reclassified as "Low stakes matches"

Nobody gives a rats tail about bilaterals in 2024

We don't give a rats tail in 2024 because they don't happen.

 

[Mesozoic]

Even back in the day when Pakistan were trumping India in bilaterals and beating them black and blue they still lost the odd low stakes WC game.

We can't read too much into it. The lack of bilaterals completely skews things.

Pakistan losing to India in 1992, 96 and 99 was a result of their mental midgetry.

Pakistan losing to India in 2015, 19 and 23 was just a superior team thumping the inferior one.

2003 and 2011 were 50-50 in this regard.

 

[Hellion]

LOL. Absolutely not.

I expect India to come to the ground once Bumrah, Kohli, and Rohit retire.

Against top teams maybe we can't beat consistently . But other Asian teams much less talent than we have.

So I think we continue beat them 8/10 times.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

India's all format record In last 10 years,

Vs Bangladesh
Matches 31
Wins 24
Losses 6
Draw 1
Win Percent 80


Vs Pakistan
Matches 16
Wins 12
Losses 3
No Result 1
Win Percent 80



Vs Sri Lanka
Matches 58
Wins 45
Losses 10
Draw 2
No Result 1
Win Percent 78.94

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistan losing to India in 1992, 96 and 99 was a result of their mental midgetry.

Pakistan losing to India in 2015, 19 and 23 was just a superior team thumping the inferior one.

2003 and 2011 were 50-50 in this regard.

You are free to interpret them how how you wish.

But losing a game to India and then going further into the tournament than India did- is mental midgetry really the best way to describe what happened here?

 

[uppercut]

We don't give a rats tail in 2024 because they don't happen.

They do just not involving Pakistan and you will see India rarely fielding thier top players in these meaningless bilateral white ball series against Aus, Eng etc in order to keep them fresh for Test series.

Nobody cares ... just go check how many bilateral series have been played in the 90s 00s and 10s and you will see a decline.

 

[Hellion]

You are free to interpret them how how you wish.

But losing a game to India and then going further into the tournament than India did- is mental midgetry really the best way to describe what happened here?

I agree. PAK also lost meekly to BD in 1999. It's just team is never consistent good

 

[Mesozoic]

You are free to interpret them how how you wish.

But losing a game to India and then going further into the tournament than India did- is mental midgetry really the best way to describe what happened here?

It was mental midgetry lol.

Losing to that Indian team thrice in a row in World Cups across different conditions is just laugh worthy on Pakistan's behalf. Your batters just succumbed under pressure to some average bowlers while chasing middling totals.

 

[uppercut]

You are free to interpret them how how you wish.

But losing a game to India and then going further into the tournament than India did- is mental midgetry really the best way to describe what happened here?

That happened Only once in 92 .... and we know how ...lol

In fact losing to India and crashing out has happened on more occasions ... 96, 2003, 2011

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Yeah that is the reason why Pakistan is still leading the charts in ODI and Test cricket against India lol

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That happened Only once in 92 .... and we know how ...lol

In fact losing to India and crashing out has happened on more occasions ... 96, 2003, 2011

99 too Pakistan lost to India but got to final.

2011 was a big loss for sure. That game took Pakistan loi cricket down the wrong track.

 

[uppercut]

Yeah that is the reason why Pakistan is still leading the charts in ODI and Test cricket against India lol

What do you mean by that?

 

[uppercut]

99 too Pakistan lost to India but got to final.

2011 was a big loss for sure. That game took Pakistan loi cricket down the wrong track.

I meant losing to india and going on to win the trophy

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I meant losing to india and going on to win the trophy

I didn't say win the trophy I said go further than India

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It was mental midgetry lol.

Losing to that Indian team thrice in a row in World Cups across different conditions is just laugh worthy on Pakistan's behalf. Your batters just succumbed under pressure to some average bowlers while chasing middling totals.

They weren't mental midgets. Core of that side in 99 travelled to India and won high pressure test matches in hostile grounds for example.

So they could handle pressure.

The current era side is mental midget. Even when they get into winning positions they do not have the capability to get over the line because they are in fear of India.

 

[uppercut]

I didn't say win the trophy I said go further than India

How does that make any sense.. lol ? I mean there is exactly one datapoint in t20l or ZERO in case of ODI's for India in that category... you would have a point if the WC W/L record was more balanced and we could use that logic to disect further and see if the losses were really end of the road in an attempt to downplay the losses.. lol

As it stands There is nothing more comprehensive than a 8-ZIP/Sifar/Nada/Nothing/Shunya record or even the 8/1 in T20I's .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How does that make any sense.. lol ? I mean there is exactly one datapoint in t20l or ZERO in case of ODI's for India in that category... you would have a point if the WC W/L record was more balanced and we could use that logic to disect further and see if the losses were really end of the road in an attempt to downplay the losses.. lol

As it stands There is nothing more comprehensive than a 8-ZIP/Sifar/Nada/Nothing/Shunya record or even the 8/1 in T20I's .

Bilateral defeats are more comprehensive.

Now you can downplay them all you like.

But we know how much they meant at the time.

And I think you are conflating two different discussions. I only brought up the point to show how I felt Pakistan were not being mental midgets in those defeats to India that the other poster mentioned. India played better and deserves the credit for those victories rather than us putting it down to Pk choking

 

[Mesozoic]

They weren't mental midgets. Core of that side in 99 travelled to India and won high pressure test matches in hostile grounds for example.

Terrible example.

Test matches aren't exactly high pressure as they're played over 5 whole days and superior teams usually have plenty of chances to claw their way back in. It was never a battle of nerves in Tests rather a battle of resilience and patience.

Besides, an ODI world cup game has much much more pressure than a bilateral test.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

They weren't mental midgets. Core of that side in 99 travelled to India and won high pressure test matches in hostile grounds for example.

So they could handle pressure.

The current era side is mental midget. Even when they get into winning positions they do not have the capability to get over the line because they are in fear of India.

The losses to India in the World Cups of 90s are perplexing to say the least. India has been more than competitive in this century. But there is no sane reason to lose to India who were getting smashed left right and centre in the 92 and 99 World Cup.
In 1992: India had only Pakistan win and got lucky by the rain rule against Zimbabwe who were very well on track to beat us. (Zimbabwe were 104/1 in 19 overs chasing 204, 100 runs needed in 31 overs wtih 9 wickets in hand and they gave India then win LMAO)
In 1999: Again, the only Win in Super 6 for India was against Pakistan.
1996, I will say Aamir Sohail's sledging was the reason of the loss.

 

[sweep_shot]

India don't consider bhaaag viru bhaag's and sweepshots team a challenge whatsoever. Like not worth considering them as a cricketing nation tbh.

Lungans are useless. Even with all their prime players they couldn't even win a single test in India. Jayasuriya used to hit weak Indian bowling attacks. He would pee in his pants if he had to face bumrah shami siraj arhshdeep etc

In odi I guess it was somewhat competitive but India usually dominate lankans there too.

Pakistan is the only real team that could go h2h with India post 2000 era. Even post 2013 series only Pakistan are considered as a threat out of Asian teams. Not in tests. They would get destroyed in tests and this includes misbah's number 1 ranked team too.
Misbahs team would never beat kohli or rahane or rohits team in tests. They won't win at home either.
In odi it would have been competitive till that 2012 series.

Post that all indian players reached their prime.

A bilateral post that period would end in a bloodbath for even Pakistan.

LOL at "sweepshot's team". As if I play for that team.

Bhagvirubhaag is an Indian.

Disrespectful to call Sri Lankans "Lungans".

This post is full of hubris.

 

[uppercut]

Bilateral defeats are more comprehensive.

Now you can downplay them all you like.

But we know how much they meant at the time.

And my point is that even up untill 2007 when Bilateral and random Cola/Pepsi/Hajmola/Kitply trophies were the defacto norm in ODI Cricket and t20s did Not even exist the WC matches were the big cheese.

Dont believe me ? Well go and ask any Indian cricketfan whether they remember any of the bilateral series wins against Pak and the scorelines ... conversely go look at how the 2021 T20WC win was celebrated right here on PP. That should tell you what really Matters.

And I think you are conflating two different discussions. I only brought up the point to show how I felt Pakistan were not being mental midgets in those defeats to India that the other poster mentioned. India played better and deserves the credit for those victories rather than us putting it down to Pk choking

You are actually proving my point.... the match vs Ind is the only high pressure match in a WC. Nothingeven comes close. you can pretend all you want otherwise But that is the Reality. No bilateral match has that kind of pressure.


Check what happened to Waz after 96 qf loss. Poor guy did not even play in the qf yet was subjected to threats. Nothing remotely close to that happens during bilateral series losses.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Terrible example.

Test matches aren't exactly high pressure as they're played over 5 whole days and superior teams usually have plenty of chances to claw their way back in. It was never a battle of nerves in Tests rather a battle of resilience and patience.

Besides, an ODI world cup game has much much more pressure than a bilateral test.

It does now because of the deaths of tests.

It didn't then.

You are trying to reframe cricket to suit your own biases.

 

[nish_mate]

LOL. Absolutely not.

I expect India to come to the ground once Bumrah, Kohli, and Rohit retire.

It's Indian cricket we are talking about not BD cricket


Wait yours never ever took off really

 

[Cricket Warrior]

What do you mean by that?

why would be considered as an achievement for Pakistan when they already have better track record against India, here achievement will be for India if they somehow change these numbers.

 

[uppercut]

why would be considered as an achievement for Pakistan when they already have better track record against India, here achievement will be for India if they somehow change these numbers.

This is like saying I was the topper from class 1 to 10 but who cares if you were the JEE topper and got into IIT.

 

[captain.hansolo]

India is not alien to chokes the famous Ahmedabad debacle in front of 132000 is immortal.

Yes Indian team is strong but by no means invincible don't forget a below average Pakistan team whacked them back in 2012/13 when India were clear favorites reminding them that this is my yard.

I’m glad you think something from more than a decade ago is relevant.

 

[oatmeal]

Pakistan losing to India in 1992, 96 and 99 was a result of their mental midgetry.

Pakistan losing to India in 2015, 19 and 23 was just a superior team thumping the inferior one.

2003 and 2011 were 50-50 in this regard.

96 was a result of either very good luck or some shenanigans. Akram pulled out of that game at the last moment. No way India could gave scored 280 odd with Akram bowling 10 overs in place of Ata Ur Rehman.

1999 was a choke by Pakistan, that team was far superior to India

 

[giri26]

The losses to India in the World Cups of 90s are perplexing to say the least. India has been more than competitive in this century. But there is no sane reason to lose to India who were getting smashed left right and centre in the 92 and 99 World Cup.
In 1992: India had only Pakistan win and got lucky by the rain rule against Zimbabwe who were very well on track to beat us. (Zimbabwe were 104/1 in 19 overs chasing 204, 100 runs needed in 31 overs wtih 9 wickets in hand and they gave India then win LMAO)
In 1999: Again, the only Win in Super 6 for India was against Pakistan.
1996, I will say Aamir Sohail's sledging was the reason of the loss.

That was a 32 overs per side game. Zimbabwe actually needed 100 runs in 12.5 overs, which was huge in 1992 despite the start they got.

 

[kron]

That didn't make any sense. Why would India see itself as a challenge? Are you okay?

Oh sorry. Thought you were not indian.
Apologies. I support Liton das.

 

[uppercut]

why would be considered as an achievement for Pakistan when they already have better track record against India, here achievement will be for India if they somehow change these numbers.

This is like saying I was the topper from class 1 to 10 but who cares if you were the JEE topper and got into IIT.

To add to that it will be really hilarious to see Pakistani fans "bragging" about that overall odi w/l record when India keeps pounding them in all the big ICC + Asia cup events on a yearly basis and bringing the overall w/l ratio to 1:1 without even playing any bilateral Series and in the meanwhile the elephant in the room record a.k.a the WC w/l looks something ridiculously lopsided in favor of India.

@Mesozoic
@rpant_gabba
@DeadlyVenom
@Aang_The_last_airbender

 

[kron]

LOL at "sweepshot's team". As if I play for that team.

Bhagvirubhaag is an Indian.

Disrespectful to call Sri Lankans "Lungans".

This post is full of hubris.

Not hubris. It's a reality check.

Lankans ? The same petty sanga the leader of lanka, who intentionally tells his team mate to get run out so his opponent doesn't achieve a milestone. I have no issues with sledging etc. Instead of trying his best to win, he resorts to such tactics.

Lame player imo.
I despise stat padders and that's exactly what most lankans are.

 

[kron]

Pakistan losing to India in 1992, 96 and 99 was a result of their mental midgetry.

Pakistan losing to India in 2015, 19 and 23 was just a superior team thumping the inferior one.

2003 and 2011 were 50-50 in this regard.

Nha 2011 wasn't 50 50
India were the better team overall

2003 too I feel.

 

[rpant_gabba]

LOL at "sweepshot's team". As if I play for that team.

Bhagvirubhaag is an Indian.

Disrespectful to call Sri Lankans "Lungans".

This post is full of hubris.

LMAO.

sure and I'm a NBA player.

 

[kron]

LMAO.

sure and I'm a NBA player.

He is as indian as I am Bangladeshi. But I support liton

 

[captain.hansolo]

96 was a result of either very good luck or some shenanigans. Akram pulled out of that game at the last moment. No way India could gave scored 280 odd with Akram bowling 10 overs in place of Ata Ur Rehman.

1999 was a choke by Pakistan, that team was far superior to India

Bruh Akhtar had the best figures in the game of all of Pakistani attack. 10-0-40-1. He kept tendular in check who was batting at nearly a 50% strike rate, his worst showing in that entire World Cup, where he would absolutely obliterate every bowling he faced. Except West Indies where he as dismissed cheap, but it didn’t matter we had them all out for sub 180…

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

That was a 32 overs per side game. Zimbabwe actually needed 100 runs in 12.5 overs, which was huge in 1992 despite the start they got.

Ah my bad !! Missed this critical part.
But 100 runs, in 13 overs and 9 wickets in hand is competitive. They revised the target, that gave India win by 55 runs
DLS would have given win to Zimbabwe by around 5 runs even in this case.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

To add to that it will be really hilarious to see Pakistani fans "bragging" about that overall odi w/l record when India keeps pounding them in all the big ICC + Asia cup events on a yearly basis and bringing the overall w/l ratio to 1:1 without even playing any bilateral Series and in the meanwhile the elephant in the room record a.k.a the WC w/l looks something ridiculously lopsided in favor of India.

@Mesozoic
@rpant_gabba
@DeadlyVenom
@Aang_The_last_airbender

Even a statement of praise saying our side in the 90s wasn't mental midgets but you still beat them is taken out of context.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Till 2015, India and Srilanka matches were guaranteed to be close encounters.
Dilshan, Jayasuriya, Mahela and Sangakkara used to smack Indians for fun.
After their retirements, Srilanka almost become minnow level team in all three formats.
In 2017 tour, India smoke them in every format to win 9 out of 9 matches in that series.
Yes, they won series in 2021. But, it was due to covid emergency in indian squad.


Pakistan on other hand, came close to beat India in 2022 and 2024 world cups. But, somehow India manage to win both those matches.
I think, it is very difficult task for Pakistan to beat India in longer formats due to bad fitness of Pakistani players. Only in t20is, they can challenge


Bangladesh has surprisingly done well against India recently. They beat India in recent Asia cup and bilateral series. But, in big tournaments they are usually beaten convincingly by India.


In last 10 Years, India have played 105 matches against these three teams across the format. They have won 81 matches and lost just 19.


So, do you think it is a big achievement for all these countries to beat India in even a single match now a days?

I think this comes down to experience.

A more experienced & seasoned outfit always wins more matches.

After the retirements of Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Gambhir, Harbhajan & Zaheer India were lucky to find quick replacements in Dhawan, Rohit, Virat, Rahane, Pujara, Shami, Bhuvi under Dhoni.

Previously from late 1980's until mid 1990's Pakistan were the superior team as they had more experienced players in their ranks as compared to India & Sri Lanka. They would win most of the time back then except in the World Cups.

The current decline in Pakistan cricket is due to inconsistency & politics in selections. Parchi & friends are preferred over talented guys.

Bangladesh will struggle more once Shakib, Mushfiqur, Mahumudullah retire. Tamim has already retired.

Sri Lankans don't have a proper system in place where most youngsters come from school cricket who find it extremely difficult to cope at under -19 level itself. Plus their domestic structure is very poor.

Afghanistan have improved a lot in recent years.

We have another Asian team on the block - Nepal. They should play in every Asia Cup moving forward.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I think this comes down to experience.

A more experienced & seasoned outfit always wins more matches.

After the retirements of Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Gambhir, Harbhajan & Zaheer India were lucky to find quick replacements in Dhawan, Rohit, Virat, Rahane, Pujara, Shami, Bhuvi under Dhoni.

Previously from late 1980's until mid 1990's Pakistan were the superior team as they had more experienced players in their ranks as compared to India & Sri Lanka. They would win most of the time back then except in the World Cups.

The current decline in Pakistan cricket is due to inconsistency & politics in selections. Parchi & friends are preferred over talented guys.

Bangladesh will struggle more once Shakib, Mushfiqur, Mahumudullah retire. Tamim has already retired.

Sri Lankans don't have a proper system in place where most youngsters come from school cricket who find it extremely difficult to cope at under -19 level itself. Plus their domestic structure is very poor.

Afghanistan have improved a lot in recent years.

We have another Asian team on the block - Nepal. They should play in every Asia Cup moving forward.

Nepal should be able to leap frog Sri Lanka and Afghanistan within 10 years.
1. Easier access to Indian facilities
2. More or less stable politically than other countries in the region
3. Passionate fan base, and hardworking pahadi culture

The major obstacle:
1. Bad Geography and hence local facilities are not easy to build, so very much dependent on how much BCCI helps them.

 

[uppercut]

Even a statement of praise saying our side in the 90s wasn't mental midgets but you still beat them is taken out of context.

I don't think I even responded to that comment. I am mostly responding to the comments defending the bilateral record which I find very amusing to Say the least.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't think I even responded to that comment. I am mostly responding to the comments defending the bilateral record which I find very amusing to Say the least.

Why is it amusing? Are they not matches?

Bilateral cricket has been devalued big time in recent years but are you really going to argue it wasn't a big deal in the past?

 

[Vikram1989]

2003 and 2011 were 50-50 in this regard.

2003 was a declining empire vs rising one.Sachin was dismissed and target was 100 runs away.wasim ,and other bowlers did everything they can but failed to take even a wicket.we saw so many collapses in 90s but not anymore.
In 2011 ,pressure was high after mumbai attacks.ind beaten pak in 2007 series quite easily and even rested few members for the last match.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Nepal should be able to leap frog Sri Lanka and Afghanistan within 10 years.
1. Easier access to Indian facilities
2. More or less stable politically than other countries in the region
3. Passionate fan base, and hardworking pahadi culture

The major obstacle:
1. Bad Geography and hence local facilities are not easy to build, so very much dependent on how much BCCI helps them.

BCCI should help them just like Afghanistan.

 

[sweep_shot]

Nepal should be able to leap frog Sri Lanka and Afghanistan within 10 years.
1. Easier access to Indian facilities
2. More or less stable politically than other countries in the region
3. Passionate fan base, and hardworking pahadi culture

The major obstacle:
1. Bad Geography and hence local facilities are not easy to build, so very much dependent on how much BCCI helps them.

LOL. I don't think so.

Nepal should improve but I expect them to be behind all 5 Asian teams.