ISRO successfully launches seventh and last satellite for India's own navigation system

[LastManstanding]

SRIHARIKOTA: The Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro) on Thursday accomplished the task of developing the country's own navigation system with the successful launch of IRNSS-1G, the last in the series of seven navigation satellites.

Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) C33 carrying IRNSS-1G (Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System) lifted off from the first launch pad at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre in Sriharikota at 12.50.


Around 20 minutes after liftoff, PSLV-C33 successfully placed IRNSS-1G in orbit. The satellite has a 12-year mission life.

With the constellation of satellites complete, India has joined the league of countries that has indigenous navigation system. The system will reduce the country's dependency on US Global Positioning System.

Apart from India, only a few other countries, including the US, the European Union, China and Russia have their own navigation systems in place.

For many years now, India has been mostly dependent on the Global Positioning System developed by the US, a project that it began in 1973. However, when the US denied GPS information during the Kargil war in 1999, the nation felt the need for an indigenous navigation system.

The IRNSS system is designed to provide accurate position information to users within the country and in the region extending up to 1500km from the boundary.

IRNSS will provide standard positioning service (SPS) for all users with a position accuracy of better than 20 metres and a restricted service (RS) for authorised users with an accuracy of 10 metres.

The indigenous navigation system will aid terrestrial, aerial and marine navigation, vehicle tracking and fleet management, disaster management, mapping and geodetic data capture, visual and voice navigation for drivers. The service can also be integrated with mobile phones and can be navigation tool for hikers and travellers.

The restricted service will be used by the military for missile delivery and navigation and tracking of aircraft.

sro launched the first satellite in the system -- IRNSS-1A -- on July 1, 2013 followed by IRNSS-1B (April 4, 2014), IRNSS-1C (October 16, 2014), IRNSS-1D (March 28, 2015), IRNSS-1E (January 20, 2016) and IRNSS-1F (March 10, 2016).

hese satellites have already started functioning from their designated orbital slots after extensive on-orbit test and evaluation to confirm their satisfactory performance.


According to Isro officials, the total cost of all the seven satellites was Rs 1,420 crore.

 

[Lords]

Any ideas when can we have our desi GPS system?

 

[LastManstanding]

Any ideas when can we have our desi GPS system?

By June I think.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Have been hearing about this. Great accomplishment indeed. ISRO keeps delivering the goods.

How does this nav system compare to GPS?

1420 crores don't even sound a lot of money at all. Sounds like we developed it at the cost of a few useless shopping malls. Terrific.

 

[MenInG]

Have been hearing about this. Great accomplishment indeed. ISRO keeps delivering the goods.

How does this nav system compare to GPS?

1420 crores don't even sound a lot of money at all. Sounds like we developed it at the cost of a few useless shopping malls. Terrific.

Mahanga royay aik baat, sasta royay baar baar! Or You pays your monies...

 

[JaDed]

Finally, took 17 years after Kargil dependency but well done!

 

[devilsadvocate]

Wow thats a lot of money but I guess security is everything. Well done !

 

[JaDed]

Wow thats a lot of money but I guess security is everything. Well done !

Its to reduce dependency on USA they aren't really our ally as such.

 

[LastManstanding]

Mahanga royay aik baat, sasta royay baar baar! Or You pays your monies...

We trust our scientists.

 

[devilsadvocate]

Its to reduce dependency on USA they aren't really our ally as such.

I didn't know that . Now I get why people really hate USA, they can backstab anyone.

 

[Lords]

I didn't know that . Now I get why people really hate USA, they can backstab anyone.

thats an understatement, remember Cryogenic engines!

Our space program would have been on next level had USA didnt interfere with our engine.

 

[Bhaijaan]

thats an understatement, remember Cryogenic engines!

Our space program would have been on next level had USA didnt interfere with our engine.

That and WHO sanctions on our solar power projects,

The West has always been against us.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Mahanga royay aik baat, sasta royay baar baar! Or You pays your monies...

Not in ISRO's case. They deliver the highest quality work. Mars mission was accomplished in lesser money that was spent to make Interstellar the movie.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Mahanga royay aik baat, sasta royay baar baar! Or You pays your monies...

Its not about Mehenga or Sasta.Lets say tommorow India is at war with a country.All Indian military will be dependent on GPS for its targetting etc etc.Now US can deny access to GPS if it believes that its interests are harmed in such a war.There is precedence to this already.So now India has its own system and doesnt depend on anyone.

Secondly ISRO has done remarkable work,its quality is undeniable.Whether it is the Mars mission or the satellite launching capability its world class.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its to reduce dependency on USA they aren't really our ally as such.

TBH now we have 3 systems that we can use GPS GLONASS AND IRNSS which military can access.

Hopefully IRNSS will now evolve into a global system.May be in another 5 years.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

ISRO living the THUG LIFE.

 

[Rishikesh]

ISRO living the THUG LIFE.

If they are going to allow public to use S band

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_band?_e_pi_=7,PAGE_ID10,6487755712

 

[Syed1]

Congratulations.. India seems to have developed a good space program.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Congratulations.. India seems to have developed a good space program.

IMO, ISRO is the only Govt organization that Indians can be proud of. They got a great group of Scientists there who seem to have mastered the Space technology.

 

[CricketCartoons]

IMO, ISRO is the only Govt organization that Indians can be proud of. They got a great group of Scientists there who seem to have mastered the Space technology.

Which is fine, but the ISRO scientists still choose the day of launch by consulting horoscope and astrology.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Which is fine, but the ISRO scientists still choose the day of launch by consulting horoscope and astrology.

Heard about that. Hopefully those superstitions will fade away with the next generation of Brilliant guys.

 

[Ankit007]

Heard about that. Hopefully those superstitions will fade away with the next generation of Brilliant guys.

Like me

 

[JaDed]

Some Points i got from TOI:

1.The desi 'GPS' will aid terrestrial, aerial and marine navigation, vehicle tracking and fleet management, disaster management, mapping and geodetic data capture, visual and voice navigation for drivers. The service can also be integrated with mobile phones and can be navigation tool for hikers and travellers.

2.While most other systems are global, the Indian system is regional in nature.

3.The system, which will be fully operational in a month's time, offers applications for marine and air navigation and can be integrated into mobile phones for use by hikers or fishermen, for example.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-gets-desi-GPS/listshow/52029512.cms

 

[blackanhyellow]

thats an understatement, remember Cryogenic engines!

Our space program would have been on next level had USA didnt interfere with our engine.

That and WHO sanctions on our solar power projects,

The West has always been against us.

When you stake a claim to be a super power in the next century, naturally people are going to come after you.

There's a saying, if you got haters you must be doing something right.

By that logic Pakistan is the best sorry Indians.

 

[MenInG]

Its not about Mehenga or Sasta.Lets say tommorow India is at war with a country.All Indian military will be dependent on GPS for its targetting etc etc.Now US can deny access to GPS if it believes that its interests are harmed in such a war.There is precedence to this already.So now India has its own system and doesnt depend on anyone.

Secondly ISRO has done remarkable work,its quality is undeniable.Whether it is the Mars mission or the satellite launching capability its world class.

I Am talking about the money aspect

 

[JaDed]

I Am talking about the money aspect

ISRO is basically aiming to make profit in foreseeable future(Antrix) with credible launches ,we have already started launching for many countries,basically cheaper and efficient not to forget we lose the dependency on other countries and lets not forget we need it for weather related stuff for our poor as well.

it is scheduled to fire 21 satellites, mostly foreign, into space in one shot. The main payload, of course, will be Indian — Cartosat-2C — said to be the best Indian satellite till date. However, the mission’s importance is as much commercial as it is scientific.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/editorials/ISRO-in-Pole-Position-in-Space-Industry/2016/04/29/article3405939.ece

 

[Lords]

When you stake a claim to be a super power in the next century, naturally people are going to come after you.

There's a saying, if you got haters you must be doing something right.

By that logic Pakistan is the best sorry Indians.

Super best. yay

 

[#GreenRoars]

Well done Indian scientists, a remarkable job they are doing.

 

[ZaynM]

Its to reduce dependency on USA they aren't really our ally as such.

Lol. When has USA been india's ally anyway? USA's only ally is israel. Rest are just for business.

 

[JaDed]

Lol. When has USA been india's ally anyway? USA's only ally is israel. Rest are just for business.

Allies are for business and they have many(SKorea,Japan,NATO,Pakistan(previously)) and i never said USA has been our ally,its just that it has been harsh on Pak recently so people assume differently,comment sections in Pakistani news sits point to that.

 

[anakin]

ISRO is basically aiming to make profit in foreseeable future(Antrix) with credible launches ,we have already started launching for many countries,basically cheaper and efficient not to forget we lose the dependency on other countries and lets not forget we need it for weather related stuff for our poor as well.



http://www.newindianexpress.com/editorials/ISRO-in-Pole-Position-in-Space-Industry/2016/04/29/article3405939.ece

Aantrix has been generating profits for years dude!
It was accorded Mini ratna status in 2008, the criteria for which is profit shown of atleast Rs 50 crores in last 3 years continuously. Profit in 2015 was more than Rs. 200 crore!

 

[JaDed]

Aantrix has been generating profits for years dude!
It was accorded Mini ratna status in 2008, the criteria for which is profit shown of atleast Rs 50 crores in last 3 years continuously. Profit in 2015 was more than Rs. 200 crore!

Yup but just saying to keep making profit ISRO has to be at its best considering Space X might become a favored one because of American marketing.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Aantrix has been generating profits for years dude!
It was accorded Mini ratna status in 2008, the criteria for which is profit shown of atleast Rs 50 crores in last 3 years continuously. Profit in 2015 was more than Rs. 200 crore!

Only 200 crore after the best brains in India? Indian politicians had a deal to buy 12 helicopters for 3600 crore rupees.

 

[anakin]

Yup but just saying to keep making profit ISRO has to be at its best considering Space X might become a favored one because of American marketing.

Space X will eat into a lot of space programs. But ISRO still has the cost advantage and have till now a better proven record!

 

[JaDed]

India Launches Record 20 Satellites In 26 Minutes, Google Is A Customer

Sriharikota, Andhra Pradesh:

Shortly after 9 am, India successfully launched a rocket which deposited a record 20 satellites in 26 minutes - proof that the country's famously frugal space agency, ISRO, is headed for a larger slice of the lucrative commercial space market.

The rocket blasted off from the southern spaceport of Sriharikota in Andhra Pradesh, carrying satellites mainly for international customers including the US, Germany and a Google-owned company.

It was the most satellites India has put in space at one go, though Russia set the record of 37 for a single launch in 2014.

Most of the satellites will enter orbit to observe and measure the Earth's atmosphere, while another aims to provide service for amateur radio operators.

"Each of these small objects that you are putting into space will carry out their own activity, which is independent of the other, and each of them will live a wonderful life for a finite period," Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) chairman A.S Kiran Kumar told NDTV, who described this morning's exercise as "a job well done."

The business of putting commercial satellites into space for a fee is growing as phone, Internet and other companies as well as countries seek greater and more high-tech communications.

India is competing with other international players for a greater share of that launch market, and is known for its low-cost space programme.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi hailed the 20-satellite record as a "monumental accomplishment", tweeting that "our space programme has time and again shown the transformative potential of science & technology in people's lives."

Last month India successfully launched its first mini space shuttle as it joined the global race to make reusable rockets.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/isro-set-for-record-launch-plans-20-satellites-in-orbit-in-26-minutes-1421878

 

[Sandeep]

Job well done. Congrats to ISRO!

 

[aroor]

If RW nutters blame Nehru for #R3xit, they should appreciate him for ISRO.

 

[hurricanes]

Yeah, right, Nehru fought off all opposition against establishing ISRO and no other prime minister would have done it.

 

[street cricketer]

Apparently the sathyabama university of chennai and the college of engineering Pune have sent two satellites among the 20, built by their students with the help of ISRO scientists.

So that's one good news.

 

[troodon]

Launching multiple satellites have become a norm now.

Time for sending manned mission to Moon and waiting for results on Mangalyan.

 

[Lords]

Apparently the sathyabama university of chennai and the college of engineering Pune have sent two satellites among the 20, built by their students with the help of ISRO scientists.

So that's one good news.

Not new, almost in every launch they give free ride to Indian univ built satellites. Mostly from Anna University.

What a feeling it must be for a student, the electronic built by them goes to space and sends signals.

 

[Lords]

Launching multiple satellites have become a norm now.

Time for sending manned mission to Moon and waiting for results on Mangalyan.

Manned mission to moon achieves nothing and costs you dearly. Unless we get in to some sort of ego race with china i dont think any manned moon mission will be considered in near future.

India should focus of satellite launch, reusable launcher, building satellites etc which will pay for majority of ISRO's budget and on the side they should do space science such as space telescopes, moon, mars, sun missions etc.

 

[street cricketer]

Not new, almost in every launch they give free ride to Indian univ built satellites. Mostly from Anna University.

What a feeling it must be for a student, the electronic built by them goes to space and sends signals.

The reason I was surprised is because sathyabama is known more for its stringent rules and restrictions for the boys and the girls students in their college more than for its academic achievements. I heard there were strict restrictions so much so that they had a bar separating the boys and the girls in their college bus

 

[troodon]

Manned mission to moon achieves nothing and costs you dearly. Unless we get in to some sort of ego race with china i dont think any manned moon mission will be considered in near future.

India should focus of satellite launch, reusable launcher, building satellites etc which will pay for majority of ISRO's budget and on the side they should do space science such as space telescopes, moon, mars, sun missions etc.

Waiting for Rajiv Gandhi Space Telescope to be launched by Isro.

 

[Lords]

Waiting for Rajiv Gandhi Space Telescope to be launched by Isro.

One tele was launched last year.

I would name the biggest telescope as Sanjay ( not gandhi)

 

[JaDed]

India launches record 104 satellites in single mission

India has created history by successfully launching 104 satellites on a single mission, overtaking the previous record of 37 satellites launched by Russia in 2014.
All but three of the satellites are from foreign countries, most of them from the United States.
The launch took place from the Sriharikota space centre in east India.
Observers say it is a sign that India is emerging as a major player in the multi-billion dollar space market.
"This is a great moment for each and every one of us. Today we have created history," project director B Jayakumar was quoted as saying by the Reuters news agency.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi was among the first to congratulate the scientists tweeting, "This remarkable feat by @isro is yet another proud moment for our space scientific community and the nation. India salutes our scientists."

he phrase "world record" has also been trending on Twitter India for much of Wednesday morning.
The women scientists who took India into space
Why India's commercial space programme is thriving
Of the 104 small satellites, 96 belong to the United States while Israel, Kazakhstan, the United Arab Emirates, Switzerland and the Netherlands are the other foreign clients.
An Indian cartographic satellite, believed to be capable of taking high resolution images is also on board. It is expected to be used to monitor regional arch rivals Pakistan and China.

The BBC's Sanjoy Majumder in Delhi says the successful launch is yet another feather in the cap of India's ambitious space programme that has earned a reputation of offering a reliable low cost alternative to existing international players.
The Indian government has increased the budget for its space programme this year and also announced plans to send a mission to Venus.
Over the past two decades, India has become a key player in the lucrative commercial space market offering a low-cost alternative.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-38977803


Some good news from the country after a long time I would say,Hope Modi doesn't get indirect credit for this,and hopefully the business evolves.

 

[Indiafan]

Should be a new thread, its a world record, previous was by Russia who had launched 37 satellites.

 

[LastManstanding]

PSLV has established itself as a reliable launcher for lighter satellites. And if GSLV can establish itself in the same way, ISRO could make some serious money by tapping into the market for heavier satellites.

 

[Ankit007]

Amazing ISRO. #proudmoment congrats

 

[cricketjoshila]

The important news is Cartosat.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The important news is Cartosat.

Please explain Cartosat

 

[Romali_rotti]

ISRO will be driving the Indian Economy, it will replace IT in the near future............

 

[big_gamer007]

Great stuff proud of their achievements..

 

[Romali_rotti]

ISRO's record satellites' launch: 10 top facts


1. Of the 104 satellites ISRO launched today, three are Indian and 101 are foreign and smaller satellites.

2. The space agency used the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) for the launch. It carried a 714 kilogram main satellite for earth observation and 103 smaller "nano satellites" which weighed a combined 664 kilograms.

3. Most of the nano satellites are from other countries, including from Israel, Kazakhstan, The Netherlands, Switzerland, United Arab Emirates and the US, said the state-run ISRO. A whopping 96 satellites are from the US alone.

4. ISRO today beat the record+ held by Russia, which in 2014 catapulted 37 satellites in a single launch, using a modified inter-continental ballistic missile.

5. Last June, India set a national record after it successfully launched a rocket carrying 20 satellites, including 13 from the US.

6. The famously frugal ISRO hopes to set an enviable benchmark for the space fairing nations. In fact, in 2014, Prime Minister Narendra Modi quipped that an Indian rocket that launched four foreign satellites into orbit cost less to make than the Hollywood film "Gravity".

7. Putting commercial satellites into space for a fee is a growing business sector. That's because phone, Internet and other companies, as well as countries, are seeking greater and more high-tech communications.

8. ISRO sent an unmanned rocket to orbit Mars in 2013 at a cost of just $73 million, compared with NASA's Maven Mars mission which had a $671 million price tag.

9. ISRO is also mulling the idea of missions to Jupiter and Venus. The second mission to Mars is tentatively slated for in 2021-2022 timeframe and as per existing plans it may well involve putting a robot on the surface of the Red Planet.

10. The government is pleased with ISRO's progress and in the recently announced annual budget it gave the space agency a 23 per cent increase in its budget.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-launch-10-top-facts/articleshow/57159213.cms

 

[cricketjoshila]

Please explain Cartosat

In short a Spy Satellite.

 

[Romali_rotti]

In short a Spy Satellite.

Ahhh I see thanks, however we do have enough spy satellites up there to see what our naughty neighbors are upto anyway

 

[Muhammad10]

Ahhh I see thanks, however we do have enough spy satellites up there to see what our naughty neighbors are upto anyway

Doesn't matter how good they are, they're still no match for our spy pigeons.

 

[troodon]

Doesn't matter how good they are, they're still no match for our spy pigeons.

Gutar Gutar!!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

ISRO will be driving the Indian Economy, it will replace IT in the near future............

Hopefully this will translate into a first world economy sooner rather than later. Pakistan would do well to emulate India in science fields, but while India is still mired in grinding poverty, Pakistan's leaders are too complacent.

 

[Tekcirc]

Doesn't matter how good they are, they're still no match for our spy pigeons.

No school like the old school

 

[JaDed]

Hopefully this will translate into a first world economy sooner rather than later. Pakistan would do well to emulate India in science fields, but while India is still mired in grinding poverty, Pakistan's leaders are too complacent.

Not the thread but if Pakistan wanted to solve its issues it should be much easier considering the population and also land area,that was one of the reasons why Pak improved quickly on clean drinking water than compared to India.

 

[Napa]

Please explain Cartosat

In short a Spy Satellite.

In short, if you prefer a factual rather than a biased answer you are better off visiting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartosat

 

[Indiafan]

Hopefully this will translate into a first world economy sooner rather than later. Pakistan would do well to emulate India in science fields, but while India is still mired in grinding poverty, Pakistan's leaders are too complacent.

Almost 1/3rd of the world's poor. Unfortunately there is no magic wand to solve that over night

 

[cricketjoshila]

In short, if you prefer a factual rather than a biased answer you are better off visiting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartosat

Do explain the strategic implication of Cartosat.

 

[LastManstanding]

Here's a video showing PSLV releasing 104 satellites.

 

[Tekcirc]

Do explain the strategic implication of Cartosat.

India is self reliant on gaining terrain knowledge of the sub continent. Its data is its own.
Military applications are obvious with actual benefits of land and resource management being the driving parameters.You learn what land area to use, land usage patterns, how to best optimize resource management.
Benefits go into millions if not billions.

 

[Tekcirc]

In short a Spy Satellite.

If you are looking for a spy satellite, it was RISAT-2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISAT-2

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Almost 1/3rd of the world's poor. Unfortunately there is no magic wand to solve that over night

Indeed, but we still have to live with the reality of today rather than celebrate tomorrow as if it has already happened. Backslapping each other on predictions of future wealth on a Pakistani forum isn't going to be much use to the masses who live below the poverty line today in India.

 

[Indiafan]

Indeed, but we still have to live with the reality of today rather than celebrate tomorrow as if it has already happened. Backslapping each other on predictions of future wealth on a Pakistani forum isn't going to be much use to the masses who live below the poverty line today in India.

this news is covered by media outlets all.over the world, so hardly back slapping, is it? I mean a major breakthrough and world record shouldnt be posted because..... India?

I think we should always celebrate hard work and whatever little success comes with it, particularly in the field of science and technology. Particularly with the gloomy news around us and talk of politics and religion only.

 

[LastManstanding]

Indeed, but we still have to live with the reality of today rather than celebrate tomorrow as if it has already happened. Backslapping each other on predictions of future wealth on a Pakistani forum isn't going to be much use to the masses who live below the poverty line today in India.

These 104 satellites were commercial so India earned money for its poor. Also, by investing in technologies of the future, India is securing the future of coming generations. This ensures that India won't always be playing catch-up.

In the 19th century, many Americans were appalled that so much money was being spent on building railroads, when most poor people didn't even own horses. But the people who persisted in building railroads were visionaries who built the foundations of later American prosperity.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If you are looking for a spy satellite, it was RISAT-2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISAT-2

Cartosat has its own terrain mapping capability.You look up the terrain mapping pictures o CartoSat1 to the last one Cartosat2d.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

These 104 satellites were commercial so India earned money for its poor. Also, by investing in technologies of the future, India is securing the future of coming generations. This ensures that India won't always be playing catch-up.

In the 19th century, many Americans were appalled that so much money was being spent on building railroads, when most poor people didn't even own horses. But the people who persisted in building railroads were visionaries who built the foundations of later American prosperity.

And I am not disagreeing with any of that. Just bringing some perspective which is patently true - that all the predictions of future wealth remain just that future dreams. The current reality is that India remains a developing nation where the living standard is pretty much the same as in Pakistan. Hopefully the direction they are taking will see them improve that sooner rather than later and that will provide a model for the whole region.

 

[Tekcirc]

Cartosat has its own terrain mapping capability.You look up the terrain mapping pictures o CartoSat1 to the last one Cartosat2d.

RISAT is all weather imaging. Applications are slightly different.

 

[jusarrived]

And I am not disagreeing with any of that. Just bringing some perspective which is patently true - that all the predictions of future wealth remain just that future dreams. The current reality is that India remains a developing nation where the living standard is pretty much the same as in Pakistan. Hopefully the direction they are taking will see them improve that sooner rather than later and that will provide a model for the whole region.

Captain giving us a reality check again . " Dont you guys celebrate this , dare not to dream " lol .
you are living in denial if you think both the countries are the same , Pak already has a lot to learn from India if they want to , but both countries seems to have already made their choice on which directions they are heading to . Worry not , you will start seeing the difference at the ground level very soon as well .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Captain giving us a reality check again . " Dont you guys celebrate this , dare not to dream " lol .
you are living in denial if you think both the countries are the same , Pak already has a lot to learn from India if they want to , but both countries seems to have already made their choice on which directions they are heading to . Worry not , you will start seeing the difference at the ground level very soon as well .

I doubt it but will be happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Pollack]

Mahanga royay aik baat, sasta royay baar baar! Or You pays your monies...

Isn't the case with ISRO. I would have believed if it was other organisation.

 

[Napa]

Do explain the strategic implication of Cartosat.

"The Cartosat series is a part of the Indian Remote Sensing Programme. They were specifically launched for Earth’s resource management and monitoring."

Anything that leads to development has strategic value.

 

[Romali_rotti]

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[geraltofrivia]

And I am not disagreeing with any of that. Just bringing some perspective which is patently true - that all the predictions of future wealth remain just that future dreams. The current reality is that India remains a developing nation where the living standard is pretty much the same as in Pakistan. Hopefully the direction they are taking will see them improve that sooner rather than later and that will provide a model for the whole region.

Untrue.

India HDI - 0.61. Pakistan HDI - 0.54

That's a difference of 0.07. Afghanistan with 0.47 is 0.07 behind Pakistan. I'm sure many Pakistanis will take umbrage if Afghanistan is compared to Pakistan.

Pakistanis like to take solace in the fact that India has a large number of poor. But India has a large number of people in general so the proportions too are affected. The number of rich/middle class people in India would probably be greater than the entire Pakistani population.

I understand it is a coping mechanism seeing the two divergent paths the two countries have taken which also leads to existentialist crises. But this 'same-same' mentality is one of the reason Pakistan lags behind India in almost all aspects (I said almost because some Pakistani poster would otherwise rebut by linking to some article like 'Infants born on the 3rd Wednesday of an even month have 0.5% higher mortality rate in Pakistan than India' from some Pakistani newspaper).

 

[cricketjoshila]

Untrue.

India HDI - 0.61. Pakistan HDI - 0.54

That's a difference of 0.07. Afghanistan with 0.47 is 0.07 behind Pakistan. I'm sure many Pakistanis will take umbrage if Afghanistan is compared to Pakistan.

Pakistanis like to take solace in the fact that India has a large number of poor. But India has a large number of people in general so the proportions too are affected. The number of rich/middle class people in India would probably be greater than the entire Pakistani population.

I understand it is a coping mechanism seeing the two divergent paths the two countries have taken which also leads to existentialist crises. But this 'same-same' mentality is one of the reason Pakistan lags behind India in almost all aspects (I said almost because some Pakistani poster would otherwise rebut by linking to some article like 'Infants born on the 3rd Wednesday of an even month have 0.5% higher mortality rate in Pakistan than India' from some Pakistani newspaper).

Pakistanis like to believe that India is same as Pakistan.Well there is nothing wrong in believing what one wants.Whether its true or not is another matter.

Btw all Pakistani statistics must be taken with a dead sea of salt.Pakistan hasnt even managed to hold a census in close to 2 decades.