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Highlighting the huge resource of talent in Pakistan cricket, former Pakistan captain Wasim Akram said they are probably the Brazil of cricket when it comes to producing young cricketers. Akram made the comments while interviewing former Australia batsman Dean Jones in his Youtube channel.

“You’re (Pakistan) the talent factory. We in Australia always used to say that Pakistan have so much talent, it’s just the matter of how you harness it,” Jones said.

In reply, Akram said, “… Raw talent, It’s like Brazil of cricket.”

Brazil are renowned to be one of the strongest football sides of the world, having won the World Cup a record five times. Pakistan, on the other hand, are regarded as one of the powerhouses of cricket but are also often criticised for being inconsistent and unpredictable.

Explaining why Pakistan is so special in cricket, Jones, who represented Australia in 52 Tests and 164 ODIs, said they bring in different techniques and different attitude to international cricket.

“Pakistanis bring different techniques to international cricket, different attitudes fast bowlers like yourself (Wasim) and Waqar (Younis), Shoaib (Akhtar), and of course Abdul (Qadir) and Mushi (Mushtaq Ahmed) and all these great bowlers that are coming through even now,” added Jones.

Going down memory lane, Jones, who was the coach of Karachi Kings in Pakistan Super League (PSL), highlighted the importance of winning the 1992 World Cup for Pakistan cricket.

“Cricket is in the DNA, it’s been great for a long time but really started to turn big time in the late 80s when Imran took over, when you rip England apart in front of a 100 thousand people at MCG (in 1992) was amazing,” said Dean Jones.

Akram revealed that many Australians had bought tickets thinking that the home side would make it to the finals but it wasn’t to be and they all actually ended up supporting Pakistan as their opponents were England

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-in-cricket/story-HSgJlUYnDxUL44vevBf7aM.html
 
And I have to agree in terms of raw talent
 
Not in terms of performance tho Unfortunately there was / is too much infighting, fixing and mishandling of selections for pakistan to be anywhere as consistently good as brazil have been in football
 
I disagree with this comparison. It's a huge fallacy to think Brazilian football is just full of talent without any structure. Everything in Brazilian football is highly organised. Young players are monitored with the latest scientific techniques to ensure their talents are maximised. Nothing is left to chance.

Pakistan cricket is more like Nigerian football where despite the lack of organisation and structure they still produce highly talented players who often don't reach their potential. Also age cheating is rife in Nigerian football just like youth cricket in Pakistan.
 
Stupid comparison.

Australia is the real Brazil of cricket and West Indies is the Argentina.

Pakistan is the France of cricket.
 
Completely disagree

Pakistan were more like portugal under Mickey with the likes of Fakhar and shadab
Under Misbah captaincy and coach they are more like Austria
Under Wasim in 99 we were more like Italy with the likes of shoaib and afridi performing like gladiators

The only time we've been Brazil was in 92
 
Here we go again.

Where are we ranked in Tests and ODIs again ? How many top batsmen have we produced in the last 10 years barring Babar Azam ?
 
Pakistan is the Nigeria of cricket, not the Brazil.

Loads of talent, but badly organised with primitive training and medical facilities and players who are mainly too uneducated to manage fame and money in a professional way.
 
The difference is that raw talent in isolation means nothing in the longer context. It's transforming it into performance is what matters and counts.

A 'talent factory' is a word whose definition has a value or can be taken in consideration only when it's reflected in the results. Hence,you can't really call it a Brazil of Football.
 
Doesn't really mean much when the side's been mediocre for years. A lot of this so called talent isn't either given a chance early enough or not at all so we can continue to select past it seniors and friends or relatives of the establishment.

There was an opportunity to build upon the CT 2017 success, but alas that upward curve is being undone and we're going back into regression.

Akram is always harping on about tailunt, the guy is living in some sort of fantasy bubble and has lost touch with reality.
 
Pakistan is the Nigeria of cricket, not the Brazil.

Loads of talent, but badly organised with primitive training and medical facilities and players who are mainly too uneducated to manage fame and money in a professional way.

Most likely Japan with here and there some lucky win.
 
Doesn't really mean much when the side's been mediocre for years. A lot of this so called talent isn't either given a chance early enough or not at all so we can continue to select past it seniors and friends or relatives of the establishment.

There was an opportunity to build upon the CT 2017 success, but alas that upward curve is being undone and we're going back into regression.

Akram is always harping on about tailunt, the guy is living in some sort of fantasy bubble and has lost touch with reality.

He is in same line of thinking with his cousin Imran Khan. First appointed Misbah and hoping Pakistan cricket will rise.
 
The difference is that raw talent in isolation means nothing in the longer context. It's transforming it into performance is what matters and counts.

A 'talent factory' is a word whose definition has a value or can be taken in consideration only when it's reflected in the results. Hence,you can't really call it a Brazil of Football.

This

You can be the most talented and flair team in the world but what matters is how you harness that talent and translate it into performance whicb pakistan over the last 3 decades have failed to do

Its high time people stop going on about pakistan and its talent because that word is meaningless on its own
 
Elite footballing countries (those who turn up and have left lasting impressions in world cups and European cups historically). Also, produced individual players that have dominated football all around the world in long periods.

Brazil
Argentina
Spain
Netherlands
Italy
France
Portugal
- - - - -
England

For those claiming Pakistan are anyone but one of these countries is clearly taking the mick, or doesn’t quite grasp the comparison of International football and cricket. Lol at the jokers who say Pakistan are the Nigeria and Japan.

What is Pakistan’s legacy or defining characteristics in international cricket?

-Regular production of Good fast bowlers,
-occasional production of ATG batsmen.
-A competitive Test side, sometimes not good enough but sometimes excellent
-A declining ODI juggernaut
-Talented players underperforming for financial gain
-Players evolving egotistically with time and good performances, causing rifts amongst the team and management with seniority complex.
-A top draw side in ICC competitions, especially those that are held in England. Die hard fans around the world. The most followed team in Cricket after India


These are some of the defining characteristics for me. So with this in mind, I believe that Pakistan should be rated alongside those teams that I have listed at the beginning, as history matters more than a current perception, often clouded with bias or misinformation.

Pakistan are in the Italy/France category
 
Brazil and Germany- Australia
Argentina- West Indies/India
Spain- New Zealand
Portugal- Sri Lanka
France and Italy- Pakistan
England- England
Netherlands- South Africa
 
Brazil and Germany- Australia
Argentina- West Indies/India
Spain- New Zealand
Portugal- Sri Lanka
France and Italy- Pakistan
England- England
Netherlands- South Africa

Brilliantly put.

Agree that Pakistan are no Brazil but they aren't Nigeria or Japan either. I think Italy is the most strikingly similar comparison. Once a great team with legends through the lineup but now an inexperienced team who've undergone decline.
 
Hate it when people go unnecessarily deep into things. We know what Wasim wanted to convey. Pakistan has historically had a lot of raw talent. It's true. End of story. Wasim doesn't boast.
 
Dont think what the exaggeration is about - its the truth!
 
Talent is not just about showing potential but also delivering on a frequent basis. Unfortunately it has been ages like atleast a good 10-15 years since we have produced players who have delivered frequently.
 
Australia is more like Brazil of Cricket. Both Australia and Brazil have 5 world titles.

Pakistan is more like France or Italy.
 
Brazil no.

I'd rather compare them to Netherlands - some brilliance, some terrible performances, some in-fighting.
 
Brazil no.

I'd rather compare them to Netherlands - some brilliance, some terrible performances, some in-fighting.
Great analogy , yes always thought the Dutch in football are like Pakistan in cricket.

Or more like a football team with 10 talented Dutch players and a random mediocre Scottish second division player who somehow manages to have the most secure position in the team for nearly two decades, without mentioning any names.
 
Brazil no.

I'd rather compare them to Netherlands - some brilliance, some terrible performances, some in-fighting.

Between France & Netherlands. But that was till 1990s, may be 2000s - brilliant individuals, capable of reaching top on day, but very next day ordinary. That Dutch side failed to qualify so many WCs with that talent.... Or the French side - skill full, versatile, full of brilliance.. But there is always some problem within, even this guy Pogba reminds me of Qadir, Sarfraz (Newaz) or Shoaib. Current PAK team is perfectly comparable to Hungary or Czechoslovakia....... living on past. I read one article on EURO 2016, when Hungary qualified for a global tournament first time after 1986.... And that Hungarian writer brought Puscas’s 1954 in reference....

No cricket team can be compared with Brazil - if anyone, I would say WIN between 1950s to 80s. Australia is carbon copy of Germany - extremely consistent, always fighting till death and brilliant in their own style.

*PAK is anything but Italy, who are the most tactical soccer nation in world, extremely compact, produced the highest number of tactically top class defenders (we can take it as an antonymous of wicket taking, strike bowlers) but knows how to win it when it matters, from their defensive set up with brilliant, calculating counter attacks - something completely opposite of PCT’s tactics. last, but not least, Italy has produced probably the highest number of tactical geniuses in soccer history, when it comes to coach/manager - from Vittorio Puzzo, Miazza, Valcareggi, Enzo Bierzot to Capelo, Trapatoni, Sachhi, Vincni, Zoff, Lippi, Zachharoni, Conte, Ancellotti, Reneari, Allegri, ..... And PAK’s current coach is Misbab - last to local coaches were WY & Javed.......
 
People taking the comparison too far. Wasim meant to indicate something by that comment and he did.
 
People taking the comparison too far. Wasim meant to indicate something by that comment and he did.

These tailunt comments are becoming tiresome and trite, but you're right - I wouldn't hold it against him since it seems to be our only claim to fame these days.
 
The comparison is off, but the overall point was to convey that Pakistan produces a number of talent. And that is true, even though not all of them succeed, due to poor coaching and a poor infrastructure
 
I disagree with this comparison. It's a huge fallacy to think Brazilian football is just full of talent without any structure. Everything in Brazilian football is highly organised. Young players are monitored with the latest scientific techniques to ensure their talents are maximised. Nothing is left to chance.

Pakistan cricket is more like Nigerian football where despite the lack of organisation and structure they still produce highly talented players who often don't reach their potential. Also age cheating is rife in Nigerian football just like youth cricket in Pakistan.

Well Pakistan is more similar to an older Brazil
 
Between France & Netherlands. But that was till 1990s, may be 2000s - brilliant individuals, capable of reaching top on day, but very next day ordinary. That Dutch side failed to qualify so many WCs with that talent.... Or the French side - skill full, versatile, full of brilliance.. But there is always some problem within, even this guy Pogba reminds me of Qadir, Sarfraz (Newaz) or Shoaib. Current PAK team is perfectly comparable to Hungary or Czechoslovakia....... living on past. I read one article on EURO 2016, when Hungary qualified for a global tournament first time after 1986.... And that Hungarian writer brought Puscas’s 1954 in reference....

No cricket team can be compared with Brazil - if anyone, I would say WIN between 1950s to 80s. Australia is carbon copy of Germany - extremely consistent, always fighting till death and brilliant in their own style.

*PAK is anything but Italy, who are the most tactical soccer nation in world, extremely compact, produced the highest number of tactically top class defenders (we can take it as an antonymous of wicket taking, strike bowlers) but knows how to win it when it matters, from their defensive set up with brilliant, calculating counter attacks - something completely opposite of PCT’s tactics. last, but not least, Italy has produced probably the highest number of tactical geniuses in soccer history, when it comes to coach/manager - from Vittorio Puzzo, Miazza, Valcareggi, Enzo Bierzot to Capelo, Trapatoni, Sachhi, Vincni, Zoff, Lippi, Zachharoni, Conte, Ancellotti, Reneari, Allegri, ..... And PAK’s current coach is Misbab - last to local coaches were WY & Javed.......

Pak is anything but Italy?

In the first 3 T20 World Cup’s, Pakistan were the best team at defending a low total. They were the only side in World Cricket who could regularly defend a total of 140-150 no matter how many big hitters the opposition had. They won the Champion’s Trophy by really engaging with 3 sides who were good at free flowing batting and bowling them out or restricting them cheaply (England, India and South Africa). A prepared Pakistan side in World Tournaments is a side that fully engages the opponent in a real scrap, they make it very hard to score runs and they take big wickets at the right time. That’s as Italy as it gets when it comes to being tactical. They just have not been the Italy type performer recently, mainly due to not having those clinical spinners it did in the past
 
Elite footballing countries (those who turn up and have left lasting impressions in world cups and European cups historically). Also, produced individual players that have dominated football all around the world in long periods.

Brazil
Argentina
Spain
Netherlands
Italy
France
Portugal
- - - - -
England

For those claiming Pakistan are anyone but one of these countries is clearly taking the mick, or doesn’t quite grasp the comparison of International football and cricket. Lol at the jokers who say Pakistan are the Nigeria and Japan.

What is Pakistan’s legacy or defining characteristics in international cricket?

-Regular production of Good fast bowlers,
-occasional production of ATG batsmen.
-A competitive Test side, sometimes not good enough but sometimes excellent
-A declining ODI juggernaut
-Talented players underperforming for financial gain
-Players evolving egotistically with time and good performances, causing rifts amongst the team and management with seniority complex.
-A top draw side in ICC competitions, especially those that are held in England. Die hard fans around the world. The most followed team in Cricket after India


These are some of the defining characteristics for me. So with this in mind, I believe that Pakistan should be rated alongside those teams that I have listed at the beginning, as history matters more than a current perception, often clouded with bias or misinformation.

Pakistan are in the Italy/France category

You are misunderstanding the comparison with a team like Nigeria.
We're talking about producing talented players despite the system. You can't compare Pakistan's cricket development program with France or Italy who have some of the world's best academics that employ some of the world's best youth coaches, medical staff, sports scientists, etc.

My comparison with Nigeria is based on the fact that despite not having anywhere near the training facilities of other nations they produced natural, flamboyant talents like Jay-Jay Okocha, John Obi Mikel and Nwanku Kanu. Similarly Pakistan don't have the same level of professionalism and world class facilities like Australia, England or even recently India but still keep producing talented, maverick players.

If people really want to compare with Brazil, then it's a very, very old version of Brazil before everything became very organized and methodical in their approach to youth development. Do some research and you will see that Brazilian football is no longer just young players randomly appearing from nowhere.
 
You are misunderstanding the comparison with a team like Nigeria.
We're talking about producing talented players despite the system. You can't compare Pakistan's cricket development program with France or Italy who have some of the world's best academics that employ some of the world's best youth coaches, medical staff, sports scientists, etc.

My comparison with Nigeria is based on the fact that despite not having anywhere near the training facilities of other nations they produced natural, flamboyant talents like Jay-Jay Okocha, John Obi Mikel and Nwanku Kanu. Similarly Pakistan don't have the same level of professionalism and world class facilities like Australia, England or even recently India but still keep producing talented, maverick players.

If people really want to compare with Brazil, then it's a very, very old version of Brazil before everything became very organized and methodical in their approach to youth development. Do some research and you will see that Brazilian football is no longer just young players randomly appearing from nowhere.

Jay Jay Okocha, Kanu and Mikel cannot be a comparison to products such as Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Babar Azam, Younis Khan, Inzimam ul Haq, Mohammad Yousuf, Javed Miandad and a list of other world class cricketers.

These names are the equivalent of the Maldinis, Del Piero, Totti, Buffon, Zidane, Henry, Pires, Viera calibre of footballers in comparison to skill. I still believe to this day that Wasim Akram is the Zinadine Zidane of cricket.

You can probably argue that Nigeria has produced the odd talent like Bangladesh does but Pakistan is a place full of some hardcore gems of cricket as long as they are unearthed
 
Lol

Deluded idiots
More like the overrated England
Good on paper
Terrible on field
 
Pak is anything but Italy?

In the first 3 T20 World Cup’s, Pakistan were the best team at defending a low total. They were the only side in World Cricket who could regularly defend a total of 140-150 no matter how many big hitters the opposition had. They won the Champion’s Trophy by really engaging with 3 sides who were good at free flowing batting and bowling them out or restricting them cheaply (England, India and South Africa). A prepared Pakistan side in World Tournaments is a side that fully engages the opponent in a real scrap, they make it very hard to score runs and they take big wickets at the right time. That’s as Italy as it gets when it comes to being tactical. They just have not been the Italy type performer recently, mainly due to not having those clinical spinners it did in the past

You have ABSOLUTELY no idea about what Italian soccer stands for - Google "Catenaccio". The first difference with Italy is that Italian soccer or it's fans won't ever even mention anything related to "T20", if there was anything similar in soccer version. PAK actually is matching Italy if anything that's recent performance - both at International & club level ........ I understand you don't follow soccer much.
 
Lol

Deluded idiots
More like the overrated England
Good on paper
Terrible on field

Nah atleast pakistan can win I the important games in tournaments. Also they reach semi finals. I would say more like Netherlands.
 
You have ABSOLUTELY no idea about what Italian soccer stands for - Google "Catenaccio". The first difference with Italy is that Italian soccer or it's fans won't ever even mention anything related to "T20", if there was anything similar in soccer version. PAK actually is matching Italy if anything that's recent performance - both at International & club level ........ I understand you don't follow soccer much.

What are you on about mate? What exactly is Tacticsl grinding in Football and what else is it’s equivalent in cricket?

There is not much we can do when comparing Random Tests to International football because International football teams build their legacy on World Cup performances and not random friendlies or qualifiers. So yes, the T20 tactical grinding is very much comparable to the Italian trademark style of defensive football. Pakistan won 2 Icc tournaments due to great bowling, not explosive batting. Great bowling requires great planning and good field settings to execute those plans
 
I would say a country like Portugal is not far off in terms of producing big players like Eusebio, Figo, Ronaldo and Rui Costa, Carvalho or talents like Quaresma who promises a lot, but fades away. Also had one big moments like 92 og 2016 at international level.

Netherland is also another example. Their golden generation did not win anything like Pakistan team 1999.

In terms of organisation football setups are different as it's mainly clubs that develop talents. So here you have to compare with a club.
 
What are you on about mate? What exactly is Tacticsl grinding in Football and what else is it’s equivalent in cricket?

There is not much we can do when comparing Random Tests to International football because International football teams build their legacy on World Cup performances and not random friendlies or qualifiers. So yes, the T20 tactical grinding is very much comparable to the Italian trademark style of defensive football. Pakistan won 2 Icc tournaments due to great bowling, not explosive batting. Great bowling requires great planning and good field settings to execute those plans

There is nothing equivalent between soccer & cricket - in that regard, this thread doesn't have any meaning.

And, it's really difficult to argue with someone trying to relate tactics with T20.... Then compare it with soccer, then comes ”larkre lenge style” with Italian organization. Still, are you still arguing that a tactics in cricket that's build on taking 10 wickets is equivalent to a soccer philosophy that is built on not conceding goals so that you win 1-0 or at least not lose it?

Apart from winning few random international friendlies, those Italians actually win 4 world cups, made two other finals, won one euro and made three other finals and I have lost counts how many times they have made the SF. Their clubs have won just UEFA CL 12 times...

As I said, start to follow soccer & the history of the tactics by the major 9 teams - Italy, Germany, France, England, Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Holland & off course Brazil - more or less for over 50+ years, these team's are playing with a very similar tactics and you’ll notice these team's hardly employ a foreign coach for their national tram - they want to preserve their style & legacy (in fact never, apart from few years under Sven G Ericksen, he was also hired because of his style that suited English game).

Italy plays a typical Catennacio - an extremely tactical game that's built on high back line for off side traps and an attack built through wing backs and often just one centre forward in a pivot shape attack (but the Italian spearhead will be among best in world for his position - in ’82, Rossi managed three shots on that Brazilian post, in 90 minutes for his hattick). England plays long ball, a wide game using wingers - they (including Scotland, Welsh & NIreland) have produced some of the best ever wide attackers in the game, but they have always lacked a midfield general in the class of Platini, Zidane or Mathaus. Every great French team in built around their mid-field which keeps possession - they have lost more for their in-fights than their soccer. Individually, their top players are among most skilled in Europe, may be at per with Dutch & Spanish, but their spirit is often low and general soccer philosophy is safety first.

The Dutch plays the most expensive, stylish soccer involving everyone in attack but often keeping back door open for someone to steal it - at times, it can be compared to PCT of 1970s to 90s - skilled, expressive, exciting, eye-catching but not decisive enough, ruthless enough like the Germans. They are the most under achievers of soccer with that much riches in their talent Treasury. Their ATG first squad will compete any first squad of any nation including Brazil & Germany - but end result is only one Euro!!!!!!!! Germans play hit & run physical game with a die hard attitude & organization that only could be better by Italians (before 2016, Italy never lost to Germany in any competition game!!!) - not necessarily always eye catching, but ruthlessly effective - their key tactics is to win common ball & arial supremacy, no one can beat a German if the ball is flying in from distance. And, German soccer is built on efficiency, synergy - sum of 11 German individuals will always be higher as a team. Their constant search for better team efficiency has produced some of the ground breaking tactical positions in soccer - from attacking centre back to goal keeping sweeper back. Italians invented the position of ”Libero” in soccer - Germans mastered that with Beckenbouer.

Every great Argentine team is built around one genius as they play a skilled based game around their star-man and their superstar is the most visible one - if an Argentina team makes any Final or wins something, their best man is easiest to identify. They are the most tactical of the Latin teams, similar to Italy in defensive tactics but with a Latin flyer (and what their top coaches can do with defensive tactics.... you have to ask Jurgen Klopp). Argentina & Italy have produced most numbers of below average height superstar centre backs in soccer for a reason - from Passarella to Baresi to Ayala to Canevaro, as these are the two teams master of ”zonal markinning- a tactics which is build on defending by blocking channel (isolate forward - Schilachi was caught off side 23 times, in that 1990 SF!!!!!!) & reducing playing area by a coordinated high back line. For a long, through ball, you can put a scale on screen to notice that all 4 Italian or Arges back-line is moving forward with a precision that hardly any forward can beat.... unless he has the speed of Kylian Mbappe.

Brazil is Brazil - plays with the skill if Argentina, but with the flair of Holland. The amount to skill and talent Brazil posses in their soccer - they should have won at least 10 WCs by now, if not more - 1950, 66, 78, 82, 86, may be 2016 as well. Brazil is a soccer nation whose reserves could have made finals in some of the WCs - comparing them with PAK cricket team is an insult to sports as a whole, not only Brazil. they are the pioneer of almost every attacking tactics of soccer - first team to use 433 (at times when 5 forwards were common) to bring wing backs in to attack, ball playing centre forward, attacking midfielder, cutting inside wingers.... One of the reasons for Brazil’s failure (if winning 5 WCs in every continent bar Africa is considered as failure that Brazil can't get away with winning it only - they'll have to win it like Brazil. Of all their WC winning teams, 1994 is least cherished because that was the time Carlos Alberto tried to copy European style with 442, after four of the best ever teams failed to win it since 1978, for one/two defensive blunders.

Among Latin teams, Uruguay is most close to European soccer in philosophy - physical & defensive at least since WWII, but with Latin skills. They play a bit of rough soccer for a Latin team and focus on defending physically but still has produced Schiafino, Fransiscolly, Forlan, Suarez!!!! Last of the Elites - Spain is the closest European team with Latins for the amount of Latinos playing in their league since 1900s - also highest number of Latin coaches are active in Spain; migration, duel citizenship for Latinos is easiest in Spain. Along with Holland, normally they are the most watchable European team and as expected, along with Holland - most under achievers as well; because often they try to pay like Brazil, but there is only one Brazil in soccer - this is from someone a French fan from almost diaper days.... since Euro 1984.

The cricket team that's closest to Italy in that regard is India - their tactics for most part of their cricket history was built on compact defense and slow-burning attack with spinners. Australia can be compared with the brilliant ”hit & run” game of Germany that is always relentless, fighting till last minute and extremely consistent ........ only for few years Lloyd’s Calypso cricket could have been compared to the class of Brazil. And, I agree with someone here - England is very much England.... both teams won their World Cups also at home and with a little controversy as well.

Next time, come back with a little homework - otherwise I'll charge you something for a little soccer lesson.
 
There is nothing equivalent between soccer & cricket - in that regard, this thread doesn't have any meaning.

And, it's really difficult to argue with someone trying to relate tactics with T20.... Then compare it with soccer, then comes ”larkre lenge style” with Italian organization. Still, are you still arguing that a tactics in cricket that's build on taking 10 wickets is equivalent to a soccer philosophy that is built on not conceding goals so that you win 1-0 or at least not lose it?

Apart from winning few random international friendlies, those Italians actually win 4 world cups, made two other finals, won one euro and made three other finals and I have lost counts how many times they have made the SF. Their clubs have won just UEFA CL 12 times...

As I said, start to follow soccer & the history of the tactics by the major 9 teams - Italy, Germany, France, England, Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Holland & off course Brazil - more or less for over 50+ years, these team's are playing with a very similar tactics and you’ll notice these team's hardly employ a foreign coach for their national tram - they want to preserve their style & legacy (in fact never, apart from few years under Sven G Ericksen, he was also hired because of his style that suited English game).

Italy plays a typical Catennacio - an extremely tactical game that's built on high back line for off side traps and an attack built through wing backs and often just one centre forward in a pivot shape attack (but the Italian spearhead will be among best in world for his position - in ’82, Rossi managed three shots on that Brazilian post, in 90 minutes for his hattick). England plays long ball, a wide game using wingers - they (including Scotland, Welsh & NIreland) have produced some of the best ever wide attackers in the game, but they have always lacked a midfield general in the class of Platini, Zidane or Mathaus. Every great French team in built around their mid-field which keeps possession - they have lost more for their in-fights than their soccer. Individually, their top players are among most skilled in Europe, may be at per with Dutch & Spanish, but their spirit is often low and general soccer philosophy is safety first.

The Dutch plays the most expensive, stylish soccer involving everyone in attack but often keeping back door open for someone to steal it - at times, it can be compared to PCT of 1970s to 90s - skilled, expressive, exciting, eye-catching but not decisive enough, ruthless enough like the Germans. They are the most under achievers of soccer with that much riches in their talent Treasury. Their ATG first squad will compete any first squad of any nation including Brazil & Germany - but end result is only one Euro!!!!!!!! Germans play hit & run physical game with a die hard attitude & organization that only could be better by Italians (before 2016, Italy never lost to Germany in any competition game!!!) - not necessarily always eye catching, but ruthlessly effective - their key tactics is to win common ball & arial supremacy, no one can beat a German if the ball is flying in from distance. And, German soccer is built on efficiency, synergy - sum of 11 German individuals will always be higher as a team. Their constant search for better team efficiency has produced some of the ground breaking tactical positions in soccer - from attacking centre back to goal keeping sweeper back. Italians invented the position of ”Libero” in soccer - Germans mastered that with Beckenbouer.

Every great Argentine team is built around one genius as they play a skilled based game around their star-man and their superstar is the most visible one - if an Argentina team makes any Final or wins something, their best man is easiest to identify. They are the most tactical of the Latin teams, similar to Italy in defensive tactics but with a Latin flyer (and what their top coaches can do with defensive tactics.... you have to ask Jurgen Klopp). Argentina & Italy have produced most numbers of below average height superstar centre backs in soccer for a reason - from Passarella to Baresi to Ayala to Canevaro, as these are the two teams master of ”zonal markinning- a tactics which is build on defending by blocking channel (isolate forward - Schilachi was caught off side 23 times, in that 1990 SF!!!!!!) & reducing playing area by a coordinated high back line. For a long, through ball, you can put a scale on screen to notice that all 4 Italian or Arges back-line is moving forward with a precision that hardly any forward can beat.... unless he has the speed of Kylian Mbappe.

Brazil is Brazil - plays with the skill if Argentina, but with the flair of Holland. The amount to skill and talent Brazil posses in their soccer - they should have won at least 10 WCs by now, if not more - 1950, 66, 78, 82, 86, may be 2016 as well. Brazil is a soccer nation whose reserves could have made finals in some of the WCs - comparing them with PAK cricket team is an insult to sports as a whole, not only Brazil. they are the pioneer of almost every attacking tactics of soccer - first team to use 433 (at times when 5 forwards were common) to bring wing backs in to attack, ball playing centre forward, attacking midfielder, cutting inside wingers.... One of the reasons for Brazil’s failure (if winning 5 WCs in every continent bar Africa is considered as failure that Brazil can't get away with winning it only - they'll have to win it like Brazil. Of all their WC winning teams, 1994 is least cherished because that was the time Carlos Alberto tried to copy European style with 442, after four of the best ever teams failed to win it since 1978, for one/two defensive blunders.

Among Latin teams, Uruguay is most close to European soccer in philosophy - physical & defensive at least since WWII, but with Latin skills. They play a bit of rough soccer for a Latin team and focus on defending physically but still has produced Schiafino, Fransiscolly, Forlan, Suarez!!!! Last of the Elites - Spain is the closest European team with Latins for the amount of Latinos playing in their league since 1900s - also highest number of Latin coaches are active in Spain; migration, duel citizenship for Latinos is easiest in Spain. Along with Holland, normally they are the most watchable European team and as expected, along with Holland - most under achievers as well; because often they try to pay like Brazil, but there is only one Brazil in soccer - this is from someone a French fan from almost diaper days.... since Euro 1984.

The cricket team that's closest to Italy in that regard is India - their tactics for most part of their cricket history was built on compact defense and slow-burning attack with spinners. Australia can be compared with the brilliant ”hit & run” game of Germany that is always relentless, fighting till last minute and extremely consistent ........ only for few years Lloyd’s Calypso cricket could have been compared to the class of Brazil. And, I agree with someone here - England is very much England.... both teams won their World Cups also at home and with a little controversy as well.

Next time, come back with a little homework - otherwise I'll charge you something for a little soccer lesson.

A guy who calls Football ‘soccer’ pretty much only knows about the game by playing FIFA on PS4

Stop beating around the bush and answer my simple question, you mentioned Italy has a tactical genius which makes them superior to being Pakistan. That’s what I am interested in. Italy has 4 world cups, finals, Semi Finals etc, so does Pakistan. They have 3 ICC champions Trophies, lost in many Semi Finals, A Final, has produced ATG players in the past and present.

And to say that I can’t use the T20 or ODI chokehold comparison to Italy’s defensive football tactic is absurd. It’s the only comparison that can be made. Brazil’s flamboyant style of Football can be compared to the flamboyant style displayed by West Indies or Indian batsmen when in full flow, with fans going crazy around the world. So this is my way of seeing the two comparisons when it comes to tough tactics in cricket.

I know you believe you are some ESPN expert but don’t waste your time producing Essays if they don’t revolve around the core argument that you are trying to decipher from your opponent. Stick to the topic, Pakistan is the Italy or France of cricket whether you like it or not.
 
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