IT HAPPENED! Unknown Aussie Jeff Horn SHOCKS the world with a big upset win over Manny Pacquiao

[shaz619]

Jeff Horn stunned the world with one of the greatest upsets in the history of Boxing, the man is an Olympian so there was bound to be some talent there but he is very inexperienced as a pro and championship level; this was his first real Test and big step up against a top 5 welterweight at 147 lb.

Even the most ambitious pundits, punters, fans and experts would have given Horn zero chance in his big fight against Manny and it's really not hard to see why:

He had never fought before a huge 50,000 live audience in attendance

Jeff Horn was unproven and never fought a top 10 welterweight before

Jeff Horn was inexperienced with just 17 fights to his name

There is nothing quiet like the elite level in the 147 lb division and Horn's only notable win was over the faded Randal Bailey

So the only thing actually going for Horn was the fact that he was a former Olympian which suggested ability and a big home field advantage; no doubt these people came out to see Horn but lets be honest, they'd not have showed up were it not for the drawing power of Manny Pacquiao but it was heart warming to see his fans get behind him and they cheered for the legendary Pac-Man as well !

However, lets be honest; even in a dream scenario where Horn was more then what we thought; we'd still expect Manny to defeat him despite a home field advantage or his skill set given his class and experience. But Horn came out to fight like a man possessed the moment the first bell rang ! he took the fight to Manny and gave a performance beyond all our wildest dreams, regardless of what your opinion is with regards to the decision, one thing can not be denied, be belongs up there with the best in this division and I give him full credit for the win.

Jeff Horn in fact had a victory speech prepared prior to the fight ! he would take it out to read after he had won, really happy for the man and can't take anything away from him; I say that as someone who is Manny's biggest fan, when he retired I cried like a baby he was the fighter who'd have him up 4am in the morning to watch him take on the likes of Morales and Cotto.

Moving on to the fight itself, personally I scored it in favour of Manny 116-113; the judges cards could have been a lot better, it was a close fight. Horn is great on the inside, posses decent power, a strong job and brilliant footwork / head movement to get out of range; he's very awkward and has a great chin, big heart as well, fight was on the brink of being stopped in the 9th but he somehow survived that mauling, his weakness tends to be getting caught and countered as he moves in like a bull though and Manny exposed this weakness especially in the second half of the fight when he found his rhythm with angles, speed and trademark left faints and counters.

It was a brilliant fight and I thoroughly enjoyed it! many of us laughed when it was booked because we expected it to be a big mismatch and even HBO and Showtime did not air it on PPV ! Would not mind the rematch at all and Manny is interested in it being staged in the Philippines, there will be some who will put Manny's performance down to oh he has aged but I think they are wrong, firstly I felt he got the win and secondly I think he did get a bit complacent and did not take Jeff seriously, like all of us if we're totally honest ! It was not so long ago that Manny claimed the WBO world title in November 2016 upon his return with a win over a top 10 welter in Jessie Vargas.

I think Manny will return to the top level soon enough and regardless of whether or not Horn wins the rematch I believe he will have a decent career and congrats to him.

 

[shaz619]

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[Pakpak]

Pac was robbed however its time to hang up his gloves. He's making a mockery of himself.

Also Horn calling out Floyd.

 

[Abdullah719]

Don't know much about boxing but after the result, I saw a lot of social media activity and most of it was similar to this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PacquiaoHorn?src=hash">#PacquiaoHorn</a> <a href="https://t.co/i1oqnD74Q2">pic.twitter.com/i1oqnD74Q2</a></p>— Kobe Bryant (@kobebryant) <a href="https://twitter.com/kobebryant/status/881377624546713600">July 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[shaz619]

Pac was robbed however its time to hang up his gloves. He's making a mockery of himself.

Also Horn calling out Floyd.

I am Manny's biggest fan and while I had him ahead by 3 points there were a few rounds which could have been scored either way, even so I'd still have Manny win on my card but it was a very close fight and we have to give Horn 100% credit for his win.

Why can't he call out Floyd? he has come out of retirement and is taking on a guy who is not even a boxer to begin with ! Horn has actually proven he belongs with the best in the 147 lb division

 

[shaz619]

Don't know much about boxing but after the result, I saw a lot of social media activity and most of it was similar to this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PacquiaoHorn?src=hash">#PacquiaoHorn</a> <a href="https://t.co/i1oqnD74Q2">pic.twitter.com/i1oqnD74Q2</a></p>— Kobe Bryant (@kobebryant) <a href="https://twitter.com/kobebryant/status/881377624546713600">July 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Social Media always throw their toys out the pram regardless, it wasn't as big a robbery they are suggesting; the issue for me is with the judges scoring, they had Horn up by 6 points and 3 points ! (twice) which was shocking ! but otherwise if the bout was scored in Horn's favour on a SD by a point or two they wouldn't really have many grievances with regards to their disgust as the decision.

So personally being a huge fan of Manny while I had him ahead am not going to take anything away from Horn, I have so much faith in Manny's ability that it is a big loss in itself that he allowed Horn to be competitive, this also explains his reaction after the fight which was "I respect the judges decision" am sure he expected himself to do a better job then that ! but Horn was game and Manny should have shown him a bit more respect

 

[Pakpak]

I am Manny's biggest fan and while I had him ahead by 3 points there were a few rounds which could have been scored either way, even so I'd still have Manny win on my card but it was a very close fight and we have to give Horn 100% credit for his win.

Why can't he call out Floyd? he has come out of retirement and is taking on a guy who is not even a boxer to begin with ! Horn has actually proven he belongs with the best in the 147 lb division

Horn has beaten a past-it Pac, even then still via a dodgy decision. I mean one judge had it 117-111

There is no point calling an ATG, fight someone established then go for it. And we know Floyd ain't fighting anyone anytime soon. The sham fight with McGregor doesn't count.

 

[shaz619]

Horn has beaten a past-it Pac, even then still via a dodgy decision. I mean one judge had it 117-111

There is no point calling an ATG, fight someone established then go for it. And we know Floyd ain't fighting anyone anytime soon. The sham fight with McGregor doesn't count.

People will claim Manny to be past it but that is expected because they did not watch him against Jessie Vargas and in addition nothing suggested to me in the Horn fight that he has faded to the point where he is a shot fighter, sure he's not going to be the fighter he was in 2009 but that does not mean he can't be effective against the top 10 at 147. Andre Wad is not as slick from SMW to LHW but his movements and game plan are a lot smarter due to his age , activity and experience; if an older fighter attempts to fight as if he is 10 years younger he'll get KO'd, see Bernard Hopkins for example, he tweaked his style in his 40's and relied mostly on his ring generalship and supreme fitness to break world records en-route to becoming champion. Trust me, Manny will be back and he's not done yet.

Horn just beat a legend in Manny and while that result is debatable he has earned the right to face Floyd Mayweather who by the way is taking on Conor of all people and I actually welcome the challenge from Horn; there's a high probability that Floyd will take the fight because he too will underestimate Horn; now that's not to say I'd back Jeff to beat Floyd, but I'd certainly expect him to do well for himself. Jeff has also expressed interest in facing the likes of Spence and Thurman as well, however it's only natural to chase that big pay day against Floyd and the man has earned it in my eyes.

 

[shaz619]

One of my biggest concerns for Manny is his decision to juggle his duties as a senator and sportsman, when it comes to Boxing you need to dedicate your 100% to the sport; his victories in recent times are almost alien like because for so long he has multi-tasked. As you grow older you need to work smarter as a fighter and he'll need to temporarily retire his political career so long he continues as a fighter.

 

[Pakpak]

One of my biggest concerns for Manny is his decision to juggle his duties as a senator and sportsman, when it comes to Boxing you need to dedicate your 100% to the sport; his victories in recent times are almost alien like because for so long he has multi-tasked. As you grow older you need to work smarter as a fighter and he'll need to temporarily retire his political career so long he continues as a fighter.

Manny at his peak, the way he was against Cotto, De La Hoya, Hatton, Margarito, Mosley etc would absolutely maul the fighters which are the caliber of Horn. Its a fact he has been past it since he was knocked out by Marquez, he has not been the same since. And this should be a big wake up call for him. Fighters sometimes don't know when to give up.

Your Hopkins example is in isolation, not every fighter can do what he does. Its no surprise most fighters are past it by this age, he was a freak of nature.

 

[shaz619]

Manny at his peak, the way he was against Cotto, De La Hoya, Hatton, Margarito, Mosley etc would absolutely maul the fighters which are the caliber of Horn. Its a fact he has been past it since he was knocked out by Marquez, he has not been the same since. And this should be a big wake up call for him. Fighters sometimes don't know when to give up.

Your Hopkins example is in isolation, not every fighter can do what he does. Its no surprise most fighters are past it by this age, he was a freak of nature.

I agree with that Hopkins was one of a kind but the sentiment stands with regards to approach to a fight and how ring generalship , experience , and supreme fitness can still be pivotal in one competing against the top 10 at 147 lb as you age ; I agree that Manny is not the fighter he was 10 years ago but it to suggest he is past it is premature, I'd still put my money on him to defeat Brook, Khan, Porter, Garcia and Peterson ; sure in his prime he'd potentially blow these guys out the park emphatically and while the fights now would be more competitive I'd still have him come out on top.

The only two names whom I see as posing a significant problem are Spence and Thurman, I think Manny would give Spence a good fight and maybe even win but would get beaten by Thurman.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Excellent review shaz619 . I haven't watched the fight yet and didn't even know Pac lost until I saw your thread title!

I will give my opinion once I have seen it, thanks bro.

P.s There are other threads where I have been tagged but I lost them once I check one tag, so apologies for not posting on them.

 

[Pakpak]

I agree with that Hopkins was one of a kind but the sentiment stands with regards to approach to a fight and how ring generalship , experience , and supreme fitness can still be pivotal in one competing against the top 10 at 147 lb as you age ; I agree that Manny is not the fighter he was 10 years ago but it to suggest he is past it is premature, I'd still put my money on him to defeat Brook, Khan, Porter, Garcia and Peterson ; sure in his prime he'd potentially blow these guys out the park emphatically and while the fights now would be more competitive I'd still have him come out on top.

The only two names whom I see as posing a significant problem are Spence and Thurman, I think Manny would give Spence a good fight and maybe even win but would get beaten by Thurman.

Fair enough, I love Khan but he'd be out in 2 rounds against Pac. And Brook has been ruined by Hearn after the mismatch fights. His injuries are now to both eyes and are very serious. I can't see him fighting again properly.

And I agree wrt to Spence, Thurman, though like you say, would be far too good right now. As for Garcia, nothing more pleasurable than to see him getting beaten. His entire run was a sham, he never was that standard.

 

[shaz619]

Fair enough, I love Khan but he'd be out in 2 rounds against Pac. And Brook has been ruined by Hearn after the mismatch fights. His injuries are now to both eyes and are very serious. I can't see him fighting again properly.

And I agree wrt to Spence, Thurman, though like you say, would be far too good right now. As for Garcia, nothing more pleasurable than to see him getting beaten. His entire run was a sham, he never was that standard.

I think Manny/Khan is 50/50 am a Khan fan as well but I do edge slightly to Manny, Pac Man does not pack as much of a punch as he use to but perhaps still enough to take out Khan however he is great at utilising his speed at range and may just about weather the storm when he does get caught or may go down; it's a really interesting fight, Khan himself is not as sharp as he was during his world championship status when he beat the likes of Maidana, Kotelnik, Paulie and Judah. Don't think he'd get taken out in 2 rounds I mean it even took Canelo 6 and he was 2 weights above Khan, Amir is a dangerous opponent for any fighter; on paper he may seem like someone who you'd relish knocking out but it's always a big risk against someone who is not easy to win rounds against, you'd be banking on a punchers chance literally.

Brook is probably the most protected fighter I've ever seen come out of Britain, he has fought tomato can after tomato can; he had one notable win over a Porter who was defeated by Diaz and that fight itself was very close and could have been scored in favour of Shawn. Then Brook was matched against GGG after being inspired by Khan taking on Canelo and his team would throw in a premeditated towel which was planned and the moment he stepped up against a legit contender at 147, a fight his team desperately tried to avoid he would take a knee and quit so I don't really rate him if am honest, think he is a really solid domestic boxer though.

Garcia has been in some close fights I don't doubt that but feel he doesn't get as much cred due to his style, he may be flat footed but his fundamentals are strong and his counter punching ability / timing is potentially the best at 147 ; we always argue against Garcia winning against the boxer who moves around better but if we look at it from his perspective then we'd see that the boxer doesn't beat him emphatically, they are always close fights; the fight with Thurman was close and many scored the bout in his favour as well. It comes down to preference, you either prefer work rate and movement or pressure and cleaner punches; Canelo is a similar fighter to Danny and he too has found himself in close fights against the likes of Trout, Lara and Cotto which could have been scored either way. So while I do understand the sentiment against him I still respect Garcia as a fighter and his resume is decent, now if we look at the run of Brook now that is a sham

 

[shaz619]

Excellent review shaz619 . I haven't watched the fight yet and didn't even know Pac lost until I saw your thread title!

I will give my opinion once I have seen it, thanks bro.

P.s There are other threads where I have been tagged but I lost them once I check one tag, so apologies for not posting on them.

I was debating if I should put it in the title ) I had a feeling you would get spoiled by it but felt that you'd have found out by now anyhow the result was spoiled for me to but I didn't mind as I wasn't as hyped for the fight but I actually made the effort to tune into it after reading some articles online about how it was a great war and with the decision being a little controversial I decided to score it myself as well to see who the victor was

 

[Pakpak]

I think Manny/Khan is 50/50 am a Khan fan as well but I do edge slightly to Manny, Pac Man does not pack as much of a punch as he use to but perhaps still enough to take out Khan however he is great at utilising his speed at range and may just about weather the storm when he does get caught or may go down; it's a really interesting fight, Khan himself is not as sharp as he was during his world championship status when he beat the likes of Maidana, Kotelnik, Paulie and Judah. Don't think he'd get taken out in 2 rounds I mean it even took Canelo 6 and he was 2 weights above Khan, Amir is a dangerous opponent for any fighter; on paper he may seem like someone who you'd relish knocking out but it's always a big risk against someone who is not easy to win rounds against, you'd be banking on a punchers chance literally.

Brook is probably the most protected fighter I've ever seen come out of Britain, he has fought tomato can after tomato can; he had one notable win over a Porter who was defeated by Diaz and that fight itself was very close and could have been scored in favour of Shawn. Then Brook was matched against GGG after being inspired by Khan taking on Canelo and his team would throw in a premeditated towel which was planned and the moment he stepped up against a legit contender at 147, a fight his team desperately tried to avoid he would take a knee and quit so I don't really rate him if am honest, think he is a really solid domestic boxer though.

Garcia has been in some close fights I don't doubt that but feel he doesn't get as much cred due to his style, he may be flat footed but his fundamentals are strong and his counter punching ability / timing is potentially the best at 147 ; we always argue against Garcia winning against the boxer who moves around better but if we look at it from his perspective then we'd see that the boxer doesn't beat him emphatically, they are always close fights; the fight with Thurman was close and many scored the bout in his favour as well. It comes down to preference, you either prefer work rate and movement or pressure and cleaner punches; Canelo is a similar fighter to Danny and he too has found himself in close fights against the likes of Trout, Lara and Cotto which could have been scored either way. So while I do understand the sentiment against him I still respect Garcia as a fighter and his resume is decent, now if we look at the run of Brook now that is a sham

Thank you, finally someone who has said what has always been true. Brook's run has been a sham. All he's had are tomato cans, Hearn is an expert in tomato cans. I don't understand this logic, there were so many options for Brook at WW. Yet tomatoes after tomatoes. Just like Haye refused to fight any proper HW and kept on begging Klits. Hearn thought they'd get away with fighting GGG, but he really damaged his fighter. Canelo was less risk as he is not a puncher. GGG is a beast in his division let alone with someone like Brook coming up.

As for Amir, he's my favorite fighter. But I can't see him going anywhere now. He has so much talent, yet he exposes his chin out.

Cotto I loved, I thought it was the end for him after Pac but he's made a decent career of himself.

 

[gkb101277867]

I thought horn won the fight by 1 or 2 points. I watched on boxnation and they were of the same opinion. Woke up the next day to social media going mental and saying pac was robbed!!!

There were people comparing it to the first Bradley fight (which was a disgraceful decision and probably the worst robbery I've ever seen) which I just don't agree with. If you had manny winning in a close fight then i could understand but it's in no way a robbery. Horn won fair and square.

Pacquiao was never the same fighter after around 2012. He didn't have the same speed, timing, power etc.

 

[Savak]

Pacquiao should call it a day. Senseless for him to continue fighting and ruining his legacy.

 

[kingusama92]

One of the judges was on another planet. 117-111.

What fight was he watching?

Not a "robbery" but Horn didn't deserve to win it.

 

[shaz619]

Thank you, finally someone who has said what has always been true. Brook's run has been a sham. All he's had are tomato cans, Hearn is an expert in tomato cans. I don't understand this logic, there were so many options for Brook at WW. Yet tomatoes after tomatoes. Just like Haye refused to fight any proper HW and kept on begging Klits. Hearn thought they'd get away with fighting GGG, but he really damaged his fighter. Canelo was less risk as he is not a puncher. GGG is a beast in his division let alone with someone like Brook coming up.

As for Amir, he's my favorite fighter. But I can't see him going anywhere now. He has so much talent, yet he exposes his chin out.

Cotto I loved, I thought it was the end for him after Pac but he's made a decent career of himself.

Yes, the matchroom model revolves around exceptional media trained talent, excellent promoting fallacies and brilliant marketing of their fighters whom they advocate as more then what they really are. Haye cleaned up the CW division when he became the lineal and undisputed champion there, when he moved up to HW the division was not as strong as today but he fought the best in Wladmir Klitchko who was the champion and is the only fighter to truly knock out Derek Chisora who even went 12 rounds with the dangerous Vitali Klitchko at the time. He has an aspiration for becoming the HW champion again, one thing is for sure; he can never be accused of fighting cans or hiding like the likes of Kell Brook; he's had a great career, it's only when he moved up in weight that he has not found as much success and has been consumed by injuries and what not; was also expected to face Tyson Fury at one point, Haye is a fighting man; guys like Kell Brook hold their world title hostage and hide in their hometown of Sheffield.

I suppose they could get away with fighting GGG on paper in that they knew even in defeat Brook's reputation would not be damaged but they did not anticipate the damage which would be caused to Kell and promoters never truly factor this in when it comes to their fighters as you say. Canelo was a dangerous opponent for Amir anyone would be when you move two weight divisions up and someone like Canelo notoriously makes best use of a lack of re-hydration clause he must have out-weighed Amir by like 30 lb on fight night. It was a big big risk as was GGG.

Yeah I think Amir is past his best now am not sure how much he got left in the tank, I mean the fight with Brook will always be there and that would be a nice easy win; also good way to shut up all the silly casuals in Britain.

Man I totally agree with you there was thinking the same, Cotto has had an amazing turn around under Roach ! and I'll let you in on a little secret, I actually scored him winning the fight against Canelo ! felt he got robbed, it was very close but man it's really weird how he went from being someone who was flat footed to a guy who is light on his feet and can move very well ! imagine what he'd have accomplished earlier in his career had he made the tweak during his prime ! he was very gutted after the Canelo loss and went into a bit of a semi-retirement, he has been inactive for 2 years now but is expected to return but given that he has been away for so long he should have just called it a day, I know Manny is still here but he has been active; the older you get you need to make sure you're active to maintain your fitness levels and not allow your body to get into that mode where you are ready to relax, very dangerous

 

[shaz619]

Pacquiao should call it a day. Senseless for him to continue fighting and ruining his legacy.

Man how did you win 2 POTW's ? dreadful post. This is like saying Muhammad Ali ruined his legacy by facing Larry Holmes, Leon Spinks and Trevor Berbick or that Tyson did the same by facing Danny Williams and Kevin McBride. No fighter will ever come close to Manny's accomplishments, PERIOD. And for those who watched the fight would have seen that nothing suggests he can't compete with the best at 147 lb and in fact many scored the fight in his favour against Horn.

Then again you won't understand this going by the wiring which you rely on to criticise Misbah as well so at least you're consistent when it comes to the ignorance.

 

[shaz619]

One of the judges was on another planet. 117-111.

What fight was he watching?

Not a "robbery" but Horn didn't deserve to win it.

He did deserve the win, he didn't just show up and lay down; he performed extremely well and it was a very close fight which could have been scored either way. Obviously due to corruption that card was off, Bob Arum had other plans you see; that rematch was in mind all along, expect a return in Brisbane; it will probably be on PPV this time and there will more people in the stadium as well.

 

[Pakpak]

Yes, the matchroom model revolves around exceptional media trained talent, excellent promoting fallacies and brilliant marketing of their fighters whom they advocate as more then what they really are. Haye cleaned up the CW division when he became the lineal and undisputed champion there, when he moved up to HW the division was not as strong as today but he fought the best in Wladmir Klitchko who was the champion and is the only fighter to truly knock out Derek Chisora who even went 12 rounds with the dangerous Vitali Klitchko at the time. He has an aspiration for becoming the HW champion again, one thing is for sure; he can never be accused of fighting cans or hiding like the likes of Kell Brook; he's had a great career, it's only when he moved up in weight that he has not found as much success and has been consumed by injuries and what not; was also expected to face Tyson Fury at one point, Haye is a fighting man; guys like Kell Brook hold their world title hostage and hide in their hometown of Sheffield.

I suppose they could get away with fighting GGG on paper in that they knew even in defeat Brook's reputation would not be damaged but they did not anticipate the damage which would be caused to Kell and promoters never truly factor this in when it comes to their fighters as you say. Canelo was a dangerous opponent for Amir anyone would be when you move two weight divisions up and someone like Canelo notoriously makes best use of a lack of re-hydration clause he must have out-weighed Amir by like 30 lb on fight night. It was a big big risk as was GGG.

Yeah I think Amir is past his best now am not sure how much he got left in the tank, I mean the fight with Brook will always be there and that would be a nice easy win; also good way to shut up all the silly casuals in Britain.

Man I totally agree with you there was thinking the same, Cotto has had an amazing turn around under Roach ! and I'll let you in on a little secret, I actually scored him winning the fight against Canelo ! felt he got robbed, it was very close but man it's really weird how he went from being someone who was flat footed to a guy who is light on his feet and can move very well ! imagine what he'd have accomplished earlier in his career had he made the tweak during his prime ! he was very gutted after the Canelo loss and went into a bit of a semi-retirement, he has been inactive for 2 years now but is expected to return but given that he has been away for so long he should have just called it a day, I know Manny is still here but he has been active; the older you get you need to make sure you're active to maintain your fitness levels and not allow your body to get into that mode where you are ready to relax, very dangerous

I still remember when Cotto was unbeaten Floyd would refuse to fight him But their match years on later was still a good fight, Floyd was cut which is very rare. Did you watch his rematch with Margarito? Absolutely battered him

 

[shaz619]

I still remember when Cotto was unbeaten Floyd would refuse to fight him But their match years on later was still a good fight, Floyd was cut which is very rare. Did you watch his rematch with Margarito? Absolutely battered him

Thoroughly enjoyed that, KARMA ! That cheat Margarito deserved that mauling. Cotto did quiet well for himself against Floyd, could have done better in a rematch with Roach behind him as well; very tough fighter who was among a few who had the courage to face Manny during his prime

 

[JaDed]

What a joke ,I still can't comprehend how it happened,no offense but almost feels like there was a lot of money riding on this match.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Really enjoyed this fight. I had Manny winning on points, he took the last 5 rounds and with one being a 10-8 round but you cannot take anything way from Horn who put up a tremendous performance to win the belt.

Manny started off too slowly, possibly underestimating Horn's aggression, size and strength. But he took Horn's shots really well, hardly moving when hit. On the other hand Horn was hurt badly throughout but showed great recovery esp in the latter rounds.

There is still a lot left in Pacman, he can still destroy most of his competition. I hope there is a rematch.

 

[shaz619]

Really enjoyed this fight. I had Manny winning on points, he took the last 5 rounds and with one being a 10-8 round but you cannot take anything way from Horn who put up a tremendous performance to win the belt.

Manny started off too slowly, possibly underestimating Horn's aggression, size and strength. But he took Horn's shots really well, hardly moving when hit. On the other hand Horn was hurt badly throughout but showed great recovery esp in the latter rounds.

There is still a lot left in Pacman, he can still destroy most of his competition. I hope there is a rematch.

Totally agree with your post I felt the same way after watching the fight.

Good ol Bob had a lot of say in the outcome of this fight KingKhan, he betrayed Manny but it's of no surprise given his nature. Horn even prior to this fight had been locked in a contract with Top Rank for his next four fights and with Manny on his way out; took this oppourtunity to create a little bit of a cash-cow, now people will say well he could have done that with crawford by matching him with Manny but crawford is somewhat of a draw already, in Horn he has created a new star in his promotion.

Also, in the rematch clause it states that the fight can only occur in Australia.....even more dubious considering Manny's reputation you'd think the champ would have more influence then that but when your promoter has an agenda there's not much you can do. I hope Manny gets the KO in the rematch or else he will suffer the same fate because Horn will be given the decision, people say oh Horn got the home town decision more recently but I always felt that the onus is on the contender to beat the champion emphatically not the other way round regardless of the turf.

I agree, think Manny still got it; am just concerned with regards to his senator duties, I will still back him to win the rematch though.

Another thing to point out with the break down in relation with Arum/Manny is how Team Manny announced that he would be facing Amir Khan but Arum had other ideas, he has Manny in a slave contract and will screw him as much as he possibly can on his way out. Promoters in boxing are the biggest skum across all sports.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Totally agree with your post I felt the same way after watching the fight.

Good ol Bob had a lot of say in the outcome of this fight KingKhan, he betrayed Manny but it's of no surprise given his nature. Horn even prior to this fight had been locked in a contract with Top Rank for his next four fights and with Manny on his way out; took this oppourtunity to create a little bit of a cash-cow, now people will say well he could have done that with crawford by matching him with Manny but crawford is somewhat of a draw already, in Horn he has created a new star in his promotion.

Also, in the rematch clause it states that the fight can only occur in Australia.....even more dubious considering Manny's reputation you'd think the champ would have more influence then that but when your promoter has an agenda there's not much you can do. I hope Manny gets the KO in the rematch or else he will suffer the same fate because Horn will be given the decision, people say oh Horn got the home town decision more recently but I always felt that the onus is on the contender to beat the champion emphatically not the other way round regardless of the turf.

I agree, think Manny still got it; am just concerned with regards to his senator duties, I will still back him to win the rematch though.

Another thing to point out with the break down in relation with Arum/Manny is how Team Manny announced that he would be facing Amir Khan but Arum had other ideas, he has Manny in a slave contract and will screw him as much as he possibly can on his way out. Promoters in boxing are the biggest skum across all sports.

Agree bro. Arum has had a great ride with having Manny as his big prizefighter and is now milking the udder dry knowing there isn't much left.

Freddy Roach said he really enjoyed Australia and won't mind a rematch there. I think next time Pacman will start off explosive but I agree he has to get the stoppage as Horn has enough power, skill and movement to connect many times throught the fight.

Amir Khan V Horn would be a good fight, it will give Amir a chance to win a title again and Horn to establish himself as a serious fighter by beating another famous name.

 

[shaz619]

Agree bro. Arum has had a great ride with having Manny as his big prizefighter and is now milking the udder dry knowing there isn't much left.

Freddy Roach said he really enjoyed Australia and won't mind a rematch there. I think next time Pacman will start off explosive but I agree he has to get the stoppage as Horn has enough power, skill and movement to connect many times throught the fight.

Amir Khan V Horn would be a good fight, it will give Amir a chance to win a title again and Horn to establish himself as a serious fighter by beating another famous name.

I've also read reports that roach will have a serious talk with manny with regards to potential retirement, I think manny being a fighter will continue but wish he would retire as a senator for a year or two. Am not sure what is up with Arum but he has never liked Amir and has completely black listed him, does he not like muslims or something? I just don't know what it is, Horn v Amir would be a great match up I like that fight but Arum just totally avoids Amir Khan.

I want to see these fights in the next 18 months:

Khan v Pac-Man

AJ v Tyson Fury

Amir Khan v Kell Brook

Amir Khan v Jeff Horn / Keith Thurman

Manny Pac-Man v Keith Thurman

Spence v Thurman

Muhammad Waseem v Andrew Selby

Lomachenko v Crawford

Yafai v Gonzales

Ward v Kovalev 3 (although there is talk of ward moving up to CW ! and facing Bellew)

Stevenson v Ward / Kovalev

Guillermo Rigondeaux v anyone with a pair of cricket balls

 

[TQ89]

I want a rematch & i want manny to knock out horn. I watched the match and wasn't satisfied with the result.

Boxing doesn't need this don king bull crap especially now in this age where people are much aware than the past generations about all the shady practices.

 

[Gilly]

The WBO re-scored the fight after a call by a Filipino government department to review the 'Battle of Brisbane' on July 2, won by Horn by unanimous decision in an upset.

Five anonymous judges reviewed the fight, determining Horn won the first, second, fourth, sixth, seventh, 10th and 12th rounds, while others were scored in favour of Pacquiao.

In a statement released from Puerto Rico, the WBO said that Horn won seven rounds to Pacquiao's five.

"The Jeff Horn vs. Manny Pacquiao bout results were controversial causing disputes amongst fans. For this reason, transparency is so important," said the WBO.

"Based on this, five (5) anonymous, competent Judges from different countries were asked to watch the bout without sound.

"Then, the independent results were tabulated to ascertain clearly the rounds each fighter won using an average scale based on 60, 80 and 100 per cent. To determine the winner of each round, 3 out of the 5 officials have to be in agreement.

More controversy or end of argument.

 

[shaz619]

More controversy or end of argument.

It was always going to be confirmed by the WBO, I had Manny ahead on my scorecard but don't take anything away from Jeff who deserved to win; it was not a day light robbery because the fight was very close.

Manny will be invoking his rematch clause, Jeff has already signed with Bob Arum which explains the sneaky contractual obligation that the fight can not happen anywhere other then Australia.

 

[Gilly]

It was always going to be confirmed by the WBO, I had Manny ahead on my scorecard but don't take anything away from Jeff who deserved to win; it was not a day light robbery because the fight was very close.

Manny will be invoking his rematch clause, Jeff has already signed with Bob Arum which explains the sneaky contractual obligation that the fight can not happen anywhere other then Australia.

I don't know why boxing cant shake this type of controversy because it makes boxing look like its corrupt, only solution is if there is no KO then make it a no result fight so to get the belt you need to knock out the belt holder.