"It was not nice of Archer to just walk away while Smith was in pain" : Shoaib Akhtar

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bouncers are a part & parcel of the game but whenever a bowler hits a batsman on the head and he falls, courtesy requires that the bowler must go & check on him. It was not nice of Archer to just walk away while Smith was in pain. I was always the first one to run to the batsman.</p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1162994508302209024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Sunny_majoka]

He always finds a way to praise himself. (Main mittho)

 

[MenInG]

England fast bowler Jofra Archer insisted he had no intention to hit Australia’s Steve Smith during the second Ashes Test, saying “everyone’s heart skipped a beat” after he felled the star batsman with a fearsome bouncer at Lord’s.

In a compelling passage of play on Saturday’s fourth day that saw World Cup-winner Archer, making his Test debut, repeatedly test Smith with the short ball, the 24-year-old Sussex quick produced a 92.4 mph (148.7 kph) bouncer that hit Smith on his unprotected neck.

Smith, who fell to the ground, retired hurt after receiving on-field treatment. But after just 46 minutes away, Smith returned at the fall of the next wicket before he was lbw to Chris Woakes for 92. It was the first time this series that England had dismissed Smith for under a hundred after his innings of 144 and 142 in Australia’s 251-run win victory in the first Test at Edgbaston.

Archer was criticised on social media for exhibiting a lack of concern on the field for Smith’s well-being but in an interview with BBC Radio before Sunday’s final day, he insisted: “That is never the plan (to hit a batsman).”

“You are trying to get a wicket first. To see him go down, everyone stopped and everyone’s heart skipped a beat,” he added. “After he got up he was moving around and you breathe a sigh of relief. No-one wants to see anyone getting carried off on a stretcher. It was a good challenge, a really good spell. For me, I wouldn’t like to see it end like that.”

Archer insisted he was just trying to force Smith out of his comfort zone.

“I’ve never seen Smith get out of his own accord until yesterday, so I was just trying to rattle him,” he told Sky Sports. “I was trying to get him out, I had a short leg and a leg slip and he was trying to work the ball off his hip, so if one bounces a bit more it should go to short leg, or one of the guys waiting.”

Smith was not wearing the additional neck guard on his helmet that came into use following the death of Phillip Hughes after his former Australia team-mate was hit by a bouncer in a 2014 domestic Sheffield Shield match in Sydney.

“You don’t ever want to see anyone carried off on a stretcher, or you don’t want to see them missing a day, or a game, especially with what happened a few years ago as well,” said Archer. “It’s never a nice sight.”

The build-up to this match had seen Australia coach Justin Langer question whether Archer had the stamina required for Test cricket, as opposed to one-dayers where bowlers are restricted to a maximum of 10 overs per match. But Barbados-born Archer, coached at Sussex by former Australia fast bowler Jason Gillespie, returned fine figures of 2-59 in 29 overs where his speed rarely dropped below the 90 mph mark.

“Obviously a lot of people haven’t seen first-class cricket shown on TV, so they won’t know what I’m used to doing anyway,” Archer said Sunday, with England set to resume on 96-4 in the second innings, a lead of 104 runs.

After stumps, Langer praised Archer’s performance by saying: “His endurance was outstanding today, his skill, his pace.

“To be able to bowl 29 overs today, what a great effort. Time will tell whether that has an impact,” he added, with only a few days between the end of this match and Thursday’s start of the third Test at Headingley.


https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...ofra-archer-on-steve-smith-getting-hit-881393

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes you did ! But your actual words were hope your alright mate cause there are a few more coming &#55358;&#56611;&#55358;&#56611;&#55358;&#56611;&#55358;&#56611;&#55358;&#56618;</p>— yuvraj singh (@YUVSTRONG12) <a href="https://twitter.com/YUVSTRONG12/status/1163337621323550725?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Slog]

Someone could have a heart attack and Shoaib will manage to make that about him

 

[Sherlock]

I can see where he's coming from, and tbh, I didn't like how Buttler and Archer were laughing a joking around when Smith was getting treatment.

Also, Shoaib really has to make it about himself too...

 

[delpiero10]

I can see where he's coming from, and tbh, I didn't like how Buttler and Archer were laughing a joking around when Smith was getting treatment.

Also, Shoaib really has to make it about himself too...

Buttler and Archer both played with Steve Smith at the Rajasthan Royals in the most recent IPL. Given the personality of especially Buttler, I can’t imagine him being anything other than friendly with Smith. He was also the first to go up to Smith to check on him after he got struck.

Archer may well have hit dozens of batsmen over the course of his career, but never in the way that Smith got hit, hence he probably didn’t know how to react. This was clearly a case of Buttler (after he had checked that Smith was not unconscious etc) trying to calm down/put Archer’s mind at ease.

 

[Major]

now people will whine about archer not reacting the right away.

Forgodsake watch other sports.

 

[silentkiller187]

I can see where he's coming from, and tbh, I didn't like how Buttler and Archer were laughing a joking around when Smith was getting treatment.

Also, Shoaib really has to make it about himself too...

Mitchel Johnson and the aussies done a lot worse in previous ashes series when he was steaming in and bouncing players out, sent Trott into depression and Swann home half way through a series. Need to stop playing the vicitim in the heat of battle its all part of the game

 

[Sherlock]

Mitchel Johnson and the aussies done a lot worse in previous ashes series when he was steaming in and bouncing players out, sent Trott into depression and Swann home half way through a series. Need to stop playing the vicitim in the heat of battle its all part of the game

What utter tripe. You think Johnson sent Trott into depression?

You need to get out more and realise this isn't some fan-fiction. Trott's had issues with depression long before and after Johnson. Depression isn't something that comes about because someone's bowling bouncers at you.

This isn't about playing the victim card either. I don't care for either of those players, but when it comes to respecting each other on the field after hitting a batsmen that was out of line. We already know Johnson was an idiot, so does that make what happened to Smith A-okay? No, it doesn't.

Don't post crap like that when you know nothing about the disease, or what others have been through.

 

[silentkiller187]

What utter tripe. You think Johnson sent Trott into depression?

You need to get out more and realise this isn't some fan-fiction. Trott's had issues with depression long before and after Johnson. Depression isn't something that comes about because someone's bowling bouncers at you.

This isn't about playing the victim card either. I don't care for either of those players, but when it comes to respecting each other on the field after hitting a batsmen that was out of line. We already know Johnson was an idiot, so does that make what happened to Smith A-okay? No, it doesn't.

Don't post crap like that when you know nothing about the disease, or what others have been through.

I am entitled to post my opinion just like you are, this is an open fan forum after all. I grew up in an era where helmets were just about coming into play, this type of bowling was normal for "test" cricket. This is part of the reason why test cricket is in decline, it has become so watered down, as the saying goes if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen.

 

[Sherlock]

I am entitled to post my opinion just like you are, this is an open fan forum after all. I grew up in an era where helmets were just about coming into play, this type of bowling was normal for "test" cricket. This is part of the reason why test cricket is in decline, it has become so watered down, as the saying goes if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen.

Your opinion means nowt if you don't know what you're talking about.

Test cricket doesn't mean if someone gets injured we ignore them and go about our business. I guess the Hughes death didn't wake anyone up from thinking cricket is just a sport and not some do-or-die life testament to how humans treat each other.

Becoming watered down doesn't mean we ignore what happened to Smith. Being watered down doesn't mean we boo a man coming back from concussion on to the field, mere minutes into being struck on neck at 90-odd mph. Also seeing as though you only mention Test cricket, if the players get injured in ODI/T20s then it's a no-no? I mean it's not Test of the batsmen's mental ability so...

I rather care about a players livelihood than talk about how the sport is becoming too unmanly for people.

 

[silentkiller187]

Your opinion means nowt if you don't know what you're talking about.

Test cricket doesn't mean if someone gets injured we ignore them and go about our business. I guess the Hughes death didn't wake anyone up from thinking cricket is just a sport and not some do-or-die life testament to how humans treat each other.

Becoming watered down doesn't mean we ignore what happened to Smith. Being watered down doesn't mean we boo a man coming back from concussion on to the field, mere minutes into being struck on neck at 90-odd mph. Also seeing as though you only mention Test cricket, if the players get injured in ODI/T20s then it's a no-no? I mean it's not Test of the batsmen's mental ability so...

I rather care about a players livelihood than talk about how the sport is becoming too unmanly for people.

Likewise your opinion doesn't hold any weight to me, this is the beauty of forums like this to debate and challenge each others views and mis-conceptions. if you watch the tape again you will see Archer walk away from Smith as he is pumped up mid - battle, he then turns and goes back to Smith after to see if he is OK, in my opinion nothing wrong with that, and if you watched The debate show after the game, professionals who have also played the game at the highest level agreed with my sentiments, you can go back and watch that again. and if you take issue to people booing smith, then you obviously never watched a professional football or cricket match live because you will see a lot worse. I just want to see good hard competitive cricket, we got that yesterday and i thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

[aloo paratha]

Simple spirit of the game that England lack, well really both teams lack it.

 

[moghul]

I liked the old fashioned brutal cricket, batsmen used to face tearaway fast bowler without wearing helmet. If they were not good enough , they would not play.

 

[Sherlock]

Likewise your opinion doesn't hold any weight to me, this is the beauty of forums like this to debate and challenge each others views and mis-conceptions. if you watch the tape again you will see Archer walk away from Smith as he is pumped up mid - battle, he then turns and goes back to Smith after to see if he is OK, in my opinion nothing wrong with that, and if you watched The debate show after the game, professionals who have also played the game at the highest level agreed with my sentiments, you can go back and watch that again. and if you take issue to people booing smith, then you obviously never watched a professional football or cricket match live because you will see a lot worse. I just want to see good hard competitive cricket, we got that yesterday and i thoroughly enjoyed it.

No, I didn't mention a ridiculous statement about how Johnson sent Trott into depression. I'd leave that there if I were you because you really are stepping on things you don't know nothing about. Other than that I've made my views clear about your post.

 

[silentkiller187]

No, I didn't mention a ridiculous statement about how Johnson sent Trott into depression. I'd leave that there if I were you because you really are stepping on things you don't know nothing about. Other than that I've made my views clear about your post.

I don't think there was anything wrong with that statement, Trott himself admitted he was suffering poor form and mental fragility related to cricket rather than an illness or disease, so it is fair to say Johnson sent him wherever. Michael Vaughan has since criticized Trott for copping out of the tour and using depression as an excuse and as such my comments were very tongue in cheek. Lets just agree to disagree but i know exactly what i am talking about.

 

[Robert]

I don't think there was anything wrong with that statement, Trott himself admitted he was suffering poor form and mental fragility related to cricket rather than an illness or disease, so it is fair to say Johnson sent him wherever. Michael Vaughan has since criticized Trott for copping out of the tour and using depression as an excuse and as such my comments were very tongue in cheek. Lets just agree to disagree but i know exactly what i am talking about.

Obviously Trott had become mentally ill. But there is such a stigma from ignorant folk that he denied it. Stress—induced depression.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

I was a little surprised not to see Archer going up to Smith to check on him if he was okay while his other team mates were there around Smith but Archer just walked back to his mark.

 

[HitWicket]

I was a little surprised not to see Archer going up to Smith to check on him if he was okay while his other team mates were there around Smith but Archer just walked back to his mark.

He walked back to the crease, dried his hands then went down to Smiths end.

 

[sweep_shot]

Archer should've gone to Smith. I kind of agree with Shoaib here.

Archer is a young guy and hopefully he will learn the proper ways.

 

[Sherlock]

I don't think there was anything wrong with that statement, Trott himself admitted he was suffering poor form and mental fragility related to cricket rather than an illness or disease, so it is fair to say Johnson sent him wherever. Michael Vaughan has since criticized Trott for copping out of the tour and using depression as an excuse and as such my comments were very tongue in cheek. Lets just agree to disagree but i know exactly what i am talking about.

You claimed "Johnson sent Trott into depression". You think that's not wrong?!! Trott said it wasn't depression that made him quit that tour. Vaughan can say what he likes but he knows nothing about depression so it's better he try to troll Indians online and not mention anything about what Trott was feeling.

I'll easily agree to disagree thus meaning you're wrong. Don't mention someone's depression in a thread that has got nothing to do with it. If you want to debate I'll happily debate you on the consequences of such posts in the right section of this site.

 

[Sherlock]

Obviously Trott had become mentally ill. But there is such a stigma from ignorant folk that he denied it. Stress—induced depression.

It's such a fume-worthy topic that people spout off w/o knowing what they're talking about. Somehow we're talking about Trott's mental state when we're in a thread about Archer/Smith.

 

[Cricketrenew]

Its a game, Archer still has to bowl to him, I am sure he was concerned.

Shoaib is funny, I remember when he played he was not always doing the right thing....

Regarding mental health the people normally start putting people down about it, don't understand the illness and think it will never affect them......but in life everyone will have to deal with at some point.

 

[Firebat]

Please try to stick to the topic of the thread guys.

 

[Shazzam]

His goal is to win games for England. He does not have to play nice.

 

[shebimalik]

Ian Chappell: The Archer effect has revitalised England and changed the Ashes

If you add one and then subtract one in arithmetic, the status quo is retained. In a cricket match when you add Jofra Archer and subtract Steve Smith the scales tilt wildly in England’s favour.

The Archer effect was openly visible on the fifth morning at Lord’s. Normally the aggressors, Australia were conservative with their field placings, mindful of the missing runs with Smith’s withdrawal from the game. This cost them a chance to dismiss Ben Stokes early. He not only went on to score a century and provide England with an outside chance of victory but he’s now in good form for the remainder of the series.

Stokes in form and confident is as dangerous an opponent as the extremely rapid Archer.

What Archer did with his lethal spell on the fourth day was something England hadn’t achieved in six and a half Tests [five in Australia and one-and-a half in England]; he changed Smith’s thought process.

That was the whole reason for Bodyline in 1932-33; to upset Don Bradman’s very settled and successful thought process. It worked a treat as England won that series 4-1.

Whether Archer can repeat the series-long success of Harold Larwood in 1932-33 or have a similar intimidatory effect to that achieved by both England’s Frank Tyson in 1954-55 and Australia’s Jeff Thomson twenty years later, is yet to be seen. Nevertheless Archer - with his languid action but lethal pace - has revitalised an England side that was clueless when bowling to Smith and was headed for a likely drubbing in the series.

Anyone who thought Archer was heartless in not immediately checking on Smith after he felled him should think again.

The first time Dennis Lillee hit a batsman under my captaincy, I told him; “Go back to your mark, we’ll check on his health.” Lillee was livid but later understood when I explained it could have an adverse effect on his bowling if he saw an injured batsman close up. I then added; “But I’ll be really disappointed if you don’t check on the opposition batsman’s health after play.”

Test cricket is a tough game and every player understands the rule; if you don’t want to get hurt then don’t walk through the gate.

Smith’s withdrawal from the game via the new concussion rules was not a total loss for Australia. His replacement, Marnus Labuschagne, showed with his gritty knock to help save the match that he’s a viable Test batsman. He’ll come into calculations for Headingley even if Smith is available.

Australia, like England, have some soul searching to do with a batting line-up that is misfiring on a few cylinders. The biggest headaches for Australia are at the top of the order.

Cameron Bancroft is in trouble but David Warner should hold his place by virtue of his previous outstanding record. Warner is down on confidence but only needs to do two things to quickly turn that around.

Firstly, he’s a stroke-maker so before he bats he needs to make a conscious decision to play his shots at every opportunity. Secondly and most importantly, he has to tell himself: “Once you’re in the middle, forget everything else but watching the ball out of the bowler’s hand.”

Looking at an area rather than the ball itself is the most common cause of batting slumps but it’s also the quickest fix if you rectify the problem.

Australia’s bowling was again top-class with the fast men excelling on an uneven surface. The one worry was the way Stokes and Jos Buttler blunted Nathan Lyon’s off-spin on the final day. In the on-going battle between bat and ball, Lyon now has to adjust to batsmen who prefer to play him off the back foot.

With back-to-back Tests a feature of this series, Australia have cover as ready made pace replacement Mitchell Starc is yet to take part in the series. England are not so fortunate as they’ve lost potential pace replacements for Archer in injured fast bowlers Mark Wood and Olly Stone.

In the meantime, the two teams need to quickly re-gather themselves for another testing battle with only three day’s rest.

The difference this time is Australia have just as much soul-searching to do as their opponents. Smith isn’t the only one who had his thought process altered in what was a torrid but enthralling Test.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...nd-and-changed-the-ashes-20190819-p52ims.html

 

[Abdullah719]

Jofra Archer is perfect candidate for being injury-prone: Shoaib Akhtar

Former Pakistan speedster Shoaib Akhtar believes England have got a great weapon in Jofra Archer but they need to preserve him and manage his workload in a way that the 24-year-old doesn't get injured very often.

Archer, who made his Test debut in the second match at Lord's which ended in a tense draw, returned match figures of 5/91. It was not just pace -- touching speeds of around 95mph -- by which he impressed all but it was more his attacking bouncers which troubled the Australian batter and brought excitement to the match which was marred by rain interruptions.

"Archer is an exciting talent. He is strong but I believe he is the perfect candidate for being injury prone. With his action and speed, I believe he can have back injuries, so he needs to be preserved," Akhtar said in a video posted on his Youtube channel.

"My suggestion will be to play him in fewer matches, he should not bowl 27 overs in an innings. What he cannot do in 14 overs, he won't be able to do it 27 overs," he further said.

Akhtar also feels that Ashes, which is currently 1-0 in favour of Australia, would now take a turn with Archer's inclusion into the England lineup.

"I think Ashes will now take a turn. I believe fast bowlers should bowl with more intensity now.

During the second Test at Lord's which ended in a draw, one of Archer's bouncers hit Steve Smith on the neck because of which he missed the last day of the Test match with concussion and his availability for the game starting Thursday is still in doubt.

And the former Pakistan pacer felt that Archer should have gone up to Smith to check up on him after striking him with a bouncer.

"I thought Archer should have gone up to Smith to check up on him as Smith got hit very badly on the neck. Archer should have sympathised," he said.

The 24-year-old, who hails from Barbados, was not picked up for the West Indies U-19 squad in 2014 and it was back thenanother West Indies-born England all-rounder Chris Jordan had asked him to think about a career in England.

"After a long time, a lethal fast bowler has come into the scene. Chris Jordon brought him from Barbados and told him to play for England. There's a contract within the England management that the player who does not abide by the team rules, then the ECB and management decides whether the player can come into the side or not," Akhtar said.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/...e-for-being-injury-prone-shoaib-akhtar-543519

 

[silentkiller187]

You claimed "Johnson sent Trott into depression". You think that's not wrong?!! Trott said it wasn't depression that made him quit that tour. Vaughan can say what he likes but he knows nothing about depression so it's better he try to troll Indians online and not mention anything about what Trott was feeling.

I'll easily agree to disagree thus meaning you're wrong. Don't mention someone's depression in a thread that has got nothing to do with it. If you want to debate I'll happily debate you on the consequences of such posts in the right section of this site.

Mitchel Johnson played a role in sending trott home, he made trott rethink his game and he couldn't handle it, go read his interviews, I still stick by my comments, if u think I'm in the wrong that's your opinion, but it's how I saw the situation and other pros share my train of thought, nothing wrong with that. you took exception and thus you decided you took this thread down the mental health route,if it's something you suffer from I am sorry, if I offended you again I apologis, but again I stand by my comments if you want a more politically correct point of view or are easily offended then this forum may not be for you

 

[MenInG]

Mitchell Johnson

 

[Hasan123]

Apparently Archer went up to Smith when the cameras weren’t on him. He plays for the same IPL team has Smith so I’m sure there would have been concern at the time of the injury.

 

[silentkiller187]

Apparently Archer went up to Smith when the cameras weren’t on him. He plays for the same IPL team has Smith so I’m sure there would have been concern at the time of the injury.

He definitely did, even on camera you could see him turnaround , definitely an over reaction this is international sport at the highest level you need a bit of a competitive edge

 

[big_gamer007]

I read an interview long time back of a fast bowler (don't remember who it was, maybe Donald) who said every time he hit a batsman with a bouncer his team mates asked him not to look at batsman and turn back and go to his run up. Because if he saw the agony of batsman he will lose intensity and become soft.

It does not mean he did not care about well being of batsman, the entire team checked up on the batsman to make sure he is fine.

After the match he used to go to the batsman and have a chat with him about his well being.

People here are over reacting, nowadays society is extremely judgmental.

 

[Savak]

Heavy weight boxers if they worry about the life of their opponents in the ring, they will risk becoming soft