Jason Gillespie vs Darren Gough as a Test bowler?

[KP From India]

Gillspie throughout acted as a support to Mcgrath and still came up with very good numbers.
Gough was a spearhead of Eng team and had a classical action.Got a test hattrick as well.
Overall stats
Gillespie 72 matches 259@26.13
Gough 59 matches 229@28.

Who will you have as a test bowler?

 

[Robert]

Dizzy. I always felt he would have done even better had he pitched it up a yard in England.

Goughie had that beautiful action, yet suffered under the ridiculous domestic schedule of the time so couldn’t stay fit. If he played in the ECB central contracts era he would have so many more wickets. I rate him above Anderson and Broad.

 

[Hasan123]

Gillespie

 

[Last Monetarist]

Gillespie was a much better bowler.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It's very close. Aussies all benefited from each other during their dream run and had better stats than they would have if they were left alone in an average team. Gough didn't have the luxury of playing alongside McWarne and Lee. He spear headed a very average English attack and did a very good job. In ODIs he was particularly good, much smarter bowler who used the change of pace, reverse swing, yorkers very effectively.

Bhaijaan rates Gough ahead of Gillespi. More skilled and a leader of the attack.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Good comparison. I tend to go with Gillespie, but lets not forget that Goughie almost carried the english attack single handedly. Gillespie rarely had such responsibility.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Good comparison. I tend to go with Gillespie, but lets not forget that Goughie almost carried the english attack single handedly. Gillespie rarely had such responsibility.

This is incorrect. Gough had decent support in Caddick, Fraser, Cork, Headley et al. at various times of his career. Both Caddick and Fraser are very underrated as bowlers. England won't have beaten SA in 98 without Fraser and Cork's contribution that summer, nor would they have won against the West Indies in 2000 without Caddick and Cork supporting Gough.

 

[Rightarmfast]

This is incorrect. Gough had decent support in Caddick, Fraser, Cork, Headley et al. at various times of his career. Both Caddick and Fraser are very underrated as bowlers. England won't have beaten SA in 98 without Fraser and Cork's contribution that summer, nor would they have won against the West Indies in 2000 without Caddick and Cork supporting Gough.

Agreed. My bad.

 

[Bhaijaan]

This is incorrect. Gough had decent support in Caddick, Fraser, Cork, Headley et al. at various times of his career. Both Caddick and Fraser are very underrated as bowlers. England won't have beaten SA in 98 without Fraser and Cork's contribution that summer, nor would they have won against the West Indies in 2000 without Caddick and Cork supporting Gough.

They were support bowlers. In which world are Cork, Caddick, Headley of the caliber of McGrath, Warne?

Gough carried that attack for quite a while and it was an ordinary attack.

 

[Junaids]

Gillespie by a vast margin - he was a borderline ATG.

 

[Last Monetarist]

They were support bowlers. In which world are Cork, Caddick, Headley of the caliber of McGrath, Warne?

Gough carried that attack for quite a while and it was an ordinary attack.

Please show me where I claimed that ?

Gough led that attack, but without the support of those bowlers England would have won nothing. If you attempt to argue against that with more hyperbolic nonsense, it's clear to me you're trolling as usual.

 

[Ab Fan]

Gillespie. He is an underrated bowler.

 

[Robert]

This is incorrect. Gough had decent support in Caddick, Fraser, Cork, Headley et al. at various times of his career. Both Caddick and Fraser are very underrated as bowlers. England won't have beaten SA in 98 without Fraser and Cork's contribution that summer, nor would they have won against the West Indies in 2000 without Caddick and Cork supporting Gough.

Indeed. Caddick bulldozered WI in 2000. Don’t forget Craig White too, he got a fivefer in one match.

Cork comprehensively outbowled Gough in 1995.

 

[ManFan]

Everytime you see a video of that ATG Aussie team, you will notice that the rare catches they dropped... it was always off one bowler: Gillespie.

I can’t count the number of times the ball was edged between the slips, dropped, or the edge not carrying off him.

He was beautiful to watch and would have been the strike bowler in an attack not headlined by Warne-McGrath. Not to mention he was the best lower-order batsman in the world.

Double century and ten wickets in his last series? Sobers who?

 

[Savak]

The way Gillespie was manhandled on the 2005 Ashes tour to the point where he lost the new ball to Lee, where he had to be benched because Australia could no longer afford to carry him and where he could no longer successfully win his place back in the side diminishes his quality for me a bit.

 

[ManFan]

The way Gillespie was manhandled on the 2005 Ashes tour to the point where he lost the new ball to Lee, where he had to be benched because Australia could no longer afford to carry him and where he could no longer successfully win his place back in the side diminishes his quality for me a bit.

He was an old man by that point.

Some athletes tend to fade away faster then others. Don’t forget, in the tour to India of 2004, he had twenty wickets at a minuscule average.

Dizzy was initially a 145kph bowler but his back problems required him to cut down on pace and focus on swing. He had one poor year, 2005, and he came back stronger after a rigorous domestic season.

He should have been held until the 2008 Border-Gavaskar series. He always had a thing for India.

 

[KP From India]

Ya...Had a good series in Ind 2001 also.
But had he been a spearhead in any other team bar Aus/Sa at that time, I do think he would have averaged 28-30 even higher had he bowled for Ind/SL

 

[Swashbuckler]

On occasions he would be even more threatening than the GOAT McGrath, that alone makes him a tier above Gough.

 

[Savak]

He was an old man by that point.

Some athletes tend to fade away faster then others. Don’t forget, in the tour to India of 2004, he had twenty wickets at a minuscule average.

Dizzy was initially a 145kph bowler but his back problems required him to cut down on pace and focus on swing. He had one poor year, 2005, and he came back stronger after a rigorous domestic season.

He should have been held until the 2008 Border-Gavaskar series. He always had a thing for India.

He was only 30 at that point. That's too young for a bowler to completely decline. His poor bowling in the 2005 Ashes was a major factor in England winning that series.

 

[Justcrazy]

Gillespie was a better Test Bowler , though no doubt he had great support from magrath and warne.