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as the title says, what the indian posters think about this bird, i am asking to get to know some indian perspective on this plane academically.

this thread is not about Vs Tejas or any other Indian Plane, so people should refrain from it.

JF-17 project details -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder#:~:text=The%20JF%2D17%20can%20deploy,top%20speed%20of%20Mach%201.6.

JF-17 Block 3 details -

https://fighterjetsworld.com/weekly-article/jf-17-thunder-block-3-complete-details-and-specification-what-we-know-so-far/21095/


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BD posters -

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[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
[MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION]

and others, whoever want to share his views.
 
Poseidon said:
BD posters -

[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
[MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION]

and others, whoever want to share his views.
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indian passport holder, but soft spot for bangladesh. warmonger, but no idea about defence related stuff.
 
Poseidon said:
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as the title says, what the indian posters think about this bird, i am asking to get to know some indian perspective on this plane academically.

this thread is not about Vs Tejas or any other Indian Plane, so people should refrain from it.

JF-17 project details -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder#:~:text=The%20JF%2D17%20can%20deploy,top%20speed%20of%20Mach%201.6.

JF-17 Block 3 details -

https://fighterjetsworld.com/weekly-article/jf-17-thunder-block-3-complete-details-and-specification-what-we-know-so-far/21095/


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BD posters -

[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
[MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION]

and others, whoever want to share his views.
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To be honest, I am not really impressed with Chinese jets, they are just copied Russian jets. I am not sure how much of this is actually Chinese ? Maybe the Radar and the air frame ? We know the engines are Russian, and I personally am no longer a fan of Russian jets as per my numerous conversations with The Great Khan in previous threads... I have always maintained I felt comfortable with IAF's ability to take on PLAAF because Chinese made jets are non tested in battles and their Radars/Engines are either Russian or if it is indigenous (Radar) it may not be very good.. However Chinese Navy is a force to be reckoned with....
 
Not to worry, our MiG-21 BISONS will keep us safe.
 
Romali_rotti said:
To be honest, I am not really impressed with Chinese jets, they are just copied Russian jets. I am not sure how much of this is actually Chinese ? Maybe the Radar and the air frame ? We know the engines are Russian, and I personally am no longer a fan of Russian jets as per my numerous conversations with The Great Khan in previous threads... I have always maintained I felt comfortable with IAF's ability to take on PLAAF because Chinese made jets are non tested in battles and their Radars/Engines are either Russian or if it is indigenous (Radar) it may not be very good.. However Chinese Navy is a force to be reckoned with....
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I have converted you hahaha lol.

As per the above, I would say the JF17 is a very good jet for what we need it for. It is cheap, it can fire BVR, we can make it ourselves, we can shove an AESA on it, and generally replace our bakwaas MIG21 rip offs with it. Ultimatley it is not a match for our BLK 52 f16's but it has proven to be able to hold its own against Russian and French aircraft with their french and Isreali avionics. It does a good job for us and middle income countries. Very good bang for your buck.

coming onto Russian fighters, [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] some studying for you, check their kill ratio's vs western aircraft and also check out the eritrean vs ethipoan conflict from a while back where both sides used russian planes..worth a read..

One final note about russian planes, just remember the IAF have tinkered and messed around with the basic Russian SU30 so much that it is a hotch potch. The ones the Russians fly are not the same and I would say I would feel more threatened facing a Russian SU30 with a Russian pilot than an IAF SU30MKI with an Indain pilot and his hotch potch console..
 
Poseidon said:
10_img1291118170203.jpg



as the title says, what the indian posters think about this bird, i am asking to get to know some indian perspective on this plane academically.

this thread is not about Vs Tejas or any other Indian Plane, so people should refrain from it.

JF-17 project details -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder#:~:text=The%20JF%2D17%20can%20deploy,top%20speed%20of%20Mach%201.6.

JF-17 Block 3 details -

https://fighterjetsworld.com/weekly-article/jf-17-thunder-block-3-complete-details-and-specification-what-we-know-so-far/21095/


[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION], [MENTION=146594]BreadPakoda[/MENTION], [MENTION=143738]CanadianG00se[/MENTION], [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION], [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION], [MENTION=139981]HitWicket[/MENTION], [MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION], [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION], [MENTION=139084]Lurker_Ind[/MENTION], , [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION], [MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION], [MENTION=152007]OldWarHorse[/MENTION], [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION], [MENTION=134408]Sidilicious[/MENTION], [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] [MENTION=149167]globalcitizen[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

BD posters -

[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
[MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION]

and others, whoever want to share his views.
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I don't have in-depth knowledge about war machines but yes, I do have an account in Quora and I do contribute a little there on Fighter Jets, BVMs, MBTs, Big boats and Submarines.

I think JF -17 is a nice bird, customized for PAK's requirement and more importantly, it gives PAF the freedom of operation, which I don't think any US made bird or even western bird gives. Few years back BAF was looking to buy SAAB Gripen, but that machine also imports parts and part of avionics from USA and subject to US embargo ....... so, we went for SU-30SM2 from Russia. JF-17 is probably built on re-engineering of F-16, with probably customized, home made armament and advanced RADAR - for that price, it's really a fantastic bird for Air Forces that need numbers.

However, I think it's becoming obsolete even to operate with 4.5 generation birds unless you are to bully smaller nations - for that the BVM technology has gone to the level where you probably can protect your sky better with missile based air defense system, rather than interceptors or air superiority squadron - unless off-course those are stealth fighters like F22 or F35. And, I don't think even French, British, South Korean, Japanese or Egyptian air forces these days have dedicated bombers - it's not required any more for them, they operate with multi-role fighters.

Regarding JF-17, I think Myanmar has bought few squadrons from PAK, but I am not sure which version - one of my friend in BAF was posted in Chittagong air base and specialized on Myanmar .... he told me that JF-17 is a nice bird for numbers .... if you have good numbers in air at a time with AWACS support, it can give a very good CAP, but individually these are no match for Sukhai series, higher numbered MIGs (29, 35).... not to mention F15, F18, Typhoon, Gripen or Rafale. I think, the latest air defense doctrine for BAF in Eastern zone is to buy 16 Euro Fighter Typhoon and plug Myanmar land & water border against their higher number of JFs and Sukhais; while absolutely no air engagement with India, if it's essential, rather use land & submarine based air defense system.

I think, PAK can have a very good business out of JF-17 in Countries trying to modernize their small & obsolete air forces and there are many such in Africa, Asia, may be in Latin America as well; but not sure what it's going do against Indian SU-30MKIs or Rafales. In fact, I am not sure if IAF is posting it's Rafales in Western bases, as of now. Also, lot, lot depends on the man in cockpit, his training and the supports that he is getting - with a combat experienced Pakistani pilot, backed by the PAF technological backbone and tactical nuances; JF-17 is a capable bird against most of the 4th & 4.5th generation opponents for sure.
 
As ambassador of love and peace, i respectfully refuse to indulge in such conversations.

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Khud hafiz.
 
From what little I know it's not better than F-16

It's a good plane but not something that can help us against India (in case of a full fleged war)

And especially if they keep on replacing thier old Migs
 
Bigboii said:
From what little I know it's not better than F-16

It's a good plane but not something that can help us against India (in case of a full fleged war)

And especially if they keep on replacing thier old Migs
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You are partially incorrect.

F-16 is medium weight while JF-17 is light weight so they are different so comparisons are different.

JF-17 Block II was used as wingman for Mirages and F-16 in "swift retort. JF-17 Block II is already deployed at Bolari and is doing 24 x 7 mission in a maritime configuration in the Arabic sea. JF-17 Block II is already ahead of SU30-MKI as India has severe problems with its premium fighter, see analysis from India's top defence analayst:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AliV6XemLg

JF-17 Block III is a different beast altogether and more advanced then the F-16 with AESA and PL-15. Modern BVR (beyond visual range) engagements mean that PAF will be able to pit 4-5 JF-17 (4.5 Gen) against even Rafale and there is no way India can afford them in such high numbers. This isn't a wrestling game but avionics and tactics and JF-17 Block III is a serious game changer.

Apart from Rafale, the choice of India is Teja but it has a few problems:

1. It is delta wing so angle of attacks are different and tactics different.

2. PAF has over 10 years of experience on JF-17 and it is indigenous.

Having said all that, JF-17 will not fulfil the deep strike maritime role and PAF will need a bigger heavier fighter and it isn't even F-16 so it is likely that there will be a surprise induction to bring Mumbai and Kolkata into play for Pakistan.

Due to CPEC, China will sell something like that to Pakistan to expose India's soft underbelly
 
LordJames said:
You are partially incorrect.

F-16 is medium weight while JF-17 is light weight so they are different so comparisons are different.

JF-17 Block II was used as wingman for Mirages and F-16 in "swift retort. JF-17 Block II is already deployed at Bolari and is doing 24 x 7 mission in a maritime configuration in the Arabic sea. JF-17 Block II is already ahead of SU30-MKI as India has severe problems with its premium fighter, see analysis from India's top defence analayst:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AliV6XemLg

JF-17 Block III is a different beast altogether and more advanced then the F-16 with AESA and PL-15. Modern BVR (beyond visual range) engagements mean that PAF will be able to pit 4-5 JF-17 (4.5 Gen) against even Rafale and there is no way India can afford them in such high numbers. This isn't a wrestling game but avionics and tactics and JF-17 Block III is a serious game changer.

Apart from Rafale, the choice of India is Teja but it has a few problems:

1. It is delta wing so angle of attacks are different and tactics different.

2. PAF has over 10 years of experience on JF-17 and it is indigenous.

Having said all that, JF-17 will not fulfil the deep strike maritime role and PAF will need a bigger heavier fighter and it isn't even F-16 so it is likely that there will be a surprise induction to bring Mumbai and Kolkata into play for Pakistan.

Due to CPEC, China will sell something like that to Pakistan to expose India's soft underbelly
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Sending a pilot so deep into India will be a suicide mission. We have missiles for that.


To add to your post a jet never operates in isolation. The trump card during swift retort were the AWACS that not only jammed Indian interceptors they allowed PAF Mirages to go in an hit targets without being challenged.


As you rightly mentioned that Block 3 will have AESA radar and that indeed is a game changer.
 
Syed1 said:
Sending a pilot so deep into India will be a suicide mission. We have missiles for that.


To add to your post a jet never operates in isolation. The trump card during swift retort were the AWACS that not only jammed Indian interceptors they allowed PAF Mirages to go in an hit targets without being challenged.


As you rightly mentioned that Block 3 will have AESA radar and that indeed is a game changer.
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There will always be a need for deep strike missions and every Air force has twin-engine dedicated aircraft for these missions including US and China which have a huge inventory of missiles but still have planes for maritime missions.

It will be doctrine change for PAF but in my opinion will happen due to CPEC
 
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Original official document Argentina Air Force sent to Congress.

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