Joe Root must resign from the England captaincy with immediate effect!

[shaz619]

Never have I in my life seen such a negative field when the opposition is effectively 3 down and you have one of the greatest England fast bowlers in history bowling at close to 97 mph and making these Aussies tremble with fear and jump around like chickens!

Enough is enough! forget replace x or y, coach needs to go blah blah blah! what about the damn captain? it's about time he is made to own up for his horrific performances, can't bat anymore either and is a rubbish captain. When Michael Vaughn was out of form at least he led his troops so proficiently when it came to on-field tactics and always inspired really well, he didn't need to hop around like an idiot trying to rally the fans as he was more concerned with his own job!

#SackRoot Get it trending!

 

[shaz619]

There were at least 3 chances England should have taken were it not for poor field placings, Australia should be 5 down right now!

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] Root should never have been captain, it should have been Broad while we groomed someone and felt they were more equipped to take on the leadership role. Look I get it that Root was sort of thrown in at the deep end but it's not too late to recognise that experiment failed

 

[HitWicket]

There were at least 3 chances England should have taken were it not for poor field placings, Australia should be 5 down right now!

I'm struggling to think of 1, but at least 3?

 

[Markhor]

To be honest, his biggest problem is he's not delivering with the bat. He's struggled with the added burden of captaincy.

 

[Junaids]

I actually agree: the problem now is that the two main alternatives are Broad and Woakes, but neither is an automatic choice overseas.

I’d probably give it to Chris Woakes, as he’s more mature and level-headed than any alternative.

Root is a mediocre skipper, but hasn’t got enough personality for his batting to survive the captaincy.

 

[shaz619]

I actually agree: the problem now is that the two main alternatives are Broad and Woakes, but neither is an automatic choice overseas.

I’d probably give it to Chris Woakes, as he’s more mature and level-headed than any alternative.

Root is a mediocre skipper, but hasn’t got enough personality for his batting to survive the captaincy.

Woakes would be the perfect candidate, in the interim we could make him VC and give the strap to Broad until close to his retirement

 

[shaz619]

To be honest, his biggest problem is he's not delivering with the bat. He's struggled with the added burden of captaincy.

He has been awful with the bat but think of all the god awful Test performances away from home especially, no one has remotely criticised Root; it has always been the coach who takes so much stick and Bayliss needs to go and so does Root; when we hire the next coach, we need a fresh set of ideas and look to identify a new leader

 

[shaz619]

I'm struggling to think of 1, but at least 3?

There were about 3 mate and also look at it from the POV of 1 leads to 2 and 2 leads to 3, leach taking a wicket has the Aussies on the ropes again. This is what happens when you take wickets in these situations.

 

[sweep_shot]

Root hasn't been a great captain and his performance went downhill after he became captain.

I think it is time for someone else to take charge.

 

[HitWicket]

There were about 3 mate and also look at it from the POV of 1 leads to 2 and 2 leads to 3, leach taking a wicket has the Aussies on the ropes again. This is what happens when you take wickets in these situations.

Any examples? Can't think of them.

 

[Robert]

To be honest, his biggest problem is he's not delivering with the bat. He's struggled with the added burden of captaincy.

Yep.

Let’s see if England can get five more wickets to sqaure the series.

 

[shaz619]

Any examples? Can't think of them.

There were at least 4 mate

 

[shaz619]

Yep.

Let’s see if England can get five more wickets to sqaure the series.

They wont, Root already cost England with the negative field settings while Jofra was on before tea

 

[HitWicket]

There were at least 4 mate

Ok, again, any examples?

 

[shaz619]

Ok, again, any examples?

Didn't you watch Jofra's spell, don't follow it on the commentary; there may have been more then 4 come to think of it now

 

[James]

I agree. Give it to Broad for now, and groom Buttler.

Root should still be the first name on the teamsheet in terms of batsmen.

 

[HitWicket]

Didn't you watch Jofra's spell, don't follow it on the commentary; there may have been more then 4 come to think of it now

I did, watched all of todays play. If you can think of more than 4 then presumably you could give a couple of examples...?

 

[shaz619]

I did, watched all of todays play. If you can think of more than 4 then presumably you could give a couple of examples...?

Clearly you didn't watch it mate otherwise you would know, there were at least 4+

 

[CricketDon]

Root is a good captain and is very well respected in the dressing room. There is no one in the side who can replace him as captain. Unless you want to do a Pakistan and bring in a specialist captain, who is also crap.

This is just a emotional knee jerk thread with no substance. I’ve seen no chances go a miss because of field placements directly related to roots instruction. There was one chance where Ben went square, and the very next ball it went fine to Ben and he was too square. That field change was down to broad the bowler. Not Root.

Please watch the game and now just follow the score card.

 

[shaz619]

I agree. Give it to Broad for now, and groom Buttler.

Root should still be the first name on the teamsheet in terms of batsmen.

Butler doesn't know how to defend or leave, it would be suicide to give him the arm band at this stage because his spot in the team isn't guaranteed

 

[CricketDon]

Ok, again, any examples?

He’s got none. Online score card commentsrybdint go that in depth.

He opened the thread, he should provide the examples.

 

[Abdullah719]

 

[shaz619]

England are getting dominated here, lost in NZ, WI, Aus and India; yet these clowns and children think Root is a good captain. And he can't bat anymore either and his best move on field is to rally the bowlers via drunkards in the crowd.

 

[CricketDon]

England are getting dominated here, lost in NZ, WI, Aus and India; yet these clowns and children think Root is a good captain. And he can't bat anymore either and his best move on field is to rally the bowlers via drunkards in the crowd.

Great comprehension of the English language. Beautiful display of literature.

 

[CricketDon]

Dropped catch from Roy. 100% Roots fault and it’s affecting his batting

 

[sweep_shot]

England are getting dominated here, lost in NZ, WI, Aus and India; yet these clowns and children think Root is a good captain. And he can't bat anymore either and his best move on field is to rally the bowlers via drunkards in the crowd.

I kind of agree with you. England went downhill in Test under Root.

I personally feel that Root is way too nice and defensive to be captain. Let Stokes be the captain.

 

[shaz619]

I kind of agree with you. England went downhill in Test under Root.

I personally feel that Root is way too nice and defensive to be captain. Let Stokes be the captain.

Also worth pointing out how he has used Archer as if he is some machine, if we are not careful he will have a very short international career.

Root is the Root cause of our demise in Tests and his captaincy is absolutely appalling to say the least

 

[The Viper]

I don’t think you should compromise your best batsman performance in favour of him captaining.

Maybe Stokes as test Skipper?

 

[Manunited18]

Also worth pointing out how he has used Archer as if he is some machine, if we are not careful he will have a very short international career.

Root is the Root cause of our demise in Tests and his captaincy is absolutely appalling to say the least

Yes absolutely, hes bowled him in to the ground, and tactically root is inept

 

[Hasan123]

His captaincy has not been that bad. His problem has been his batting has dropped off since being captain. It seems to be affecting him mentally. I think if England lose the ashes badly he will be replaced. Not sure if he will resign but wouldn’t rule it out.

Buttler or Stokes would probably be the candidates if Root was sacked or resigned.

 

[sweep_shot]

1-0 advantage for Aussies after 2 Tests.

Aussies now need to win a single Test now to retain Ashes. Very easy equation for them.

Time is ticking for Root and England.

 

[Robert]

Also worth pointing out how he has used Archer as if he is some machine, if we are not careful he will have a very short international career.

Root is the Root cause of our demise in Tests and his captaincy is absolutely appalling to say the least

I’d say our decline in tests is down to the inability of the ECB to produce top order batsmen and attacking spinners, plus Bayliss who has no clue about tests.

 

[barah_admi]

Apart from labeling Archer one of England's greates (hyperbole much?) I agree. Root has been a poor captain for far too long...and I do mean poor. Not average, not adequate but at times, almost useless. He does not have the tactical nous of Strauss or the man management of Vaughan. Heck, he isnt even batting well like Cook did for some time.

Butler may be a good choice for captain but his own form is terrible, while Stokes looks a bit unstable emotionally. I would have called for Moeen if his form had not plummeted faster than Zimbabwes currency. Broad? Woakes? Bairstow? It really is a tricky situation and one the ECB should have planned for.

 

[sindhiboy]

i would say stuard broad, he is clever and has all the experience. But he may retire soon as he is 33.
stokes already has too much burden , he will be overwhelmed if he is made captain, also not sure how he is tactically

bairstow seems the only other available long term candidate. but he has to give up his gloves to foakes if he will be captained. he firstly has to increase his form and elevate his batting, he is a good test batsman and a potential to be a no.4 or no.5

otherwise rory burns ecb may try to make rory burns the next alastir cook lol.

 

[ads101]

I'd probably just give the gloves and the captaincy to Butler. Wicketkeeping captains seem popular these days, and would make his spot guaranteed.

Bairstow and Root need to discover their form back, more so Bairstow who has been under par for a while and needs to focus on batting again. I think Bairstow has a higher ceiling as a test batsman so I'd give the gloves to Butler anyway. Root's form might recover once he drops captaincy.

I don't think Broad or Anderson are good options, they're fast bowlers who've played a lot of test matches and may be on their way out. Let them just focus on their bowling.

I think England are pretty reliant on Root and Bairstow becoming the impressive mainstay of their batting again. If that doesn't happen, I don't see this team will challenging for the top in tests, the replacements/new batsmen don't seem the same quality/potential.

 

[Varun]

The England captaincy is certainly not any more taxing than the Australian / Indian / Pakistani captaincy.

Why does every England captain have a shelf life, both as skipper and a batsman?

And it's not like England's captains are captains in all formats either. Root just skippers tests.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Don't think his batting will get better after giving up captaincy.

 

[James]

Butler doesn't know how to defend or leave, it would be suicide to give him the arm band at this stage because his spot in the team isn't guaranteed

That’s why I suggest to give it to Broad for now, sort of a caretaker thing. Jos would be a good future captain but he needs more experience in Tests first.

 

[Firebat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Class response from Joe Root, with England fully expecting to see Steve Smith again at Headingley for third <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ashes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ashes</a> Test <a href="https://t.co/3NXJIybFBz">pic.twitter.com/3NXJIybFBz</a></p>— cricket.com.au (@cricketcomau) <a href="https://twitter.com/cricketcomau/status/1163364980336599041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Titan24]

Ben Stokes is the vice captain in tests, so If ECB will ever think of removing Root the natural successor would be Ben Stokes.

I personally think Stokes is mentally really strong so atleast it wont effect his performances negatively much, rather there is a chance of it being positively effected.

 

[DHONI183]

I don´t know about field settings as I didn´t watch the whole match, or even the whole last day, so can´t comment on that. However, watching its highlights, I saw on the scorecard that there were still four overs left when England decided to shake hands to draw the match, with England requiring four wickets to win.

Why on earth did England settle for a draw? Why did they not keep on pushing for a victory when they were already into Australia´s tail from one end? Surely, 24 balls are enough, surely enough, to get the remaining four wickets required. Very negative and poor from England. Please correct me if I´m missing out on any valuable piece of information here. As someone supporting Australia, I don´t mind it of course, but still......

 

[HitWicket]

I saw on the scorecard that there were still four overs left when England decided to shake hands to draw the match, with England requiring four wickets to win.

The scorecard is wrong, at most there was 3 balls left, maybe 9 depending on the umpires judgement.

 

[QalandarFan]

People are thinking Root will magically start scoring double hundreds once he's not captain. Fact is dude has declined in the Test Format and gotten better in ODI's. He's just not a good test player anymore never was imo pretty fifties and the once in a blue moon hundred to maintain that average of 50 for a while meant nothing. Infact since England's best Test Batsman in a long time Cook has retired Root has been exposed. I've been saying it, it's not the captaincy it's the fact that Cook ain't there no more. It's like the Azhar/Asad case once MisYou retired they both started to decline. Once that cushion was no longer there for Root and he's been the #1 guy with no Cook there he's performed horribly in Tests. Don't believe me just go look at his record as captain with Cook there. How come all of a sudden in 2019 when Cook's gone his stats are going down. How come he wasn't failing with Cook there?

 

[QalandarFan]

Ben Stokes is the vice captain in tests, so If ECB will ever think of removing Root the natural successor would be Ben Stokes.

I personally think Stokes is mentally really strong so atleast it wont effect his performances negatively much, rather there is a chance of it being positively effected.

Ben Stokes has honestly gotten a lot better in the past year or so. He went from a T20 Specialist who can do some hitting and some bowling, to a guy who can win you matches with the bat in crunch moments. He has also really worked on his batting he would probably make any team in the world on the basis of his batting and handling pressure alone forget the bowling.

 

[QalandarFan]

The England captaincy is certainly not any more taxing than the Australian / Indian / Pakistani captaincy.

Why does every England captain have a shelf life, both as skipper and a batsman?

And it's not like England's captains are captains in all formats either. Root just skippers tests.

Just depends on the person some just can't handle the pressure look at Cook he had a great records as captain both in the win column and his stats. Also look at Morgan in ODI's two great leaders who the players get behind. Root never looked like a guy to lead the team it was a mistake to make him captain. I'd much rather make Woakes or Stokes captain.

 

[QalandarFan]

i would say stuard broad, he is clever and has all the experience. But he may retire soon as he is 33.
stokes already has too much burden , he will be overwhelmed if he is made captain, also not sure how he is tactically

bairstow seems the only other available long term candidate. but he has to give up his gloves to foakes if he will be captained. he firstly has to increase his form and elevate his batting, he is a good test batsman and a potential to be a no.4 or no.5

otherwise rory burns ecb may try to make rory burns the next alastir cook lol.

Problem with England is the only 2 guys you know are going to play on every tour and every match (barring injury of course) are James Anderson and Joe Root. They couldn't have given Jimmy captaincy this late in his career and I don't think he's ever captained and giving anybody other than Root captaincy would of been a risk as nobody has been performing up to the standards for them to have a permanent spot in the team. They probably thought with Cook still in the mix Root could learn some things from him and all would be well when Cook was gone but that hasn't happened.

 

[DHONI183]

The scorecard is wrong, at most there was 3 balls left, maybe 9 depending on the umpires judgement.

No, the scorecard was right; only I was being a fool! I watched it again from my laptop the closing scenes and indeed only three to four balls left. My mobile´s screen had me seeing things otherwise!

Sorry everyone for the confusion, and an apology to Joe Root.

 

[MenInG]

Decision could be made for him if England lose this series.

 

[shah_1]

He must resign

 

[MenInG]

Joe Root should quit as captain if England lose the third Ashes Test of the current series against Australia at Headingley. After a spectacular bowling display from Jofra Archer helped bowl the tourists out for 179 on day one, England were expected to press home their advantage on day two in more favourable batting conditions. Australia’s pace attack had other ideas, however, with Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood and James Pattinson reducing England’s top order to rubble. England were 54-6 at lunch, still 125 runs adrift with Root’s own struggles with the bat continuing, out for a second-ball duck. Boycott sympathised with Root’s lack of form but believes his captaincy credentials are at an all-time low.

‘Joe Root might just be in a poor trot, that happens,’ he said. ‘But he has to start winning Tests against Australia, he’s had seven goes and hasn’t managed one yet. ‘He won’t get a better day to bowl yesterday and a better day to bat today – he has to win this Test. If he can’t win this then he may as well give up the job. ‘Their best batsman isn’t playing, you couldn’t ask for anything more. Root has had moments as captain when you think ‘what the hell is going on here?’ ‘Australia were 120-2 on a juicy pitch last night and we still had four slips. You had to stop the flow of runs. He hasn’t grasped the nuances of the game.’


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/23/joe-...claims-geoffrey-boycott-10620196/?ito=cbshare

 

[Rana]

There is no one else good enough to be captain.

Broad is on his last year or so. Maybe he can lead England for 1-2 years whilst they groom Bairstow or Stokes.

 

[ManFan]

There is no one else good enough to be captain.

Broad is on his last year or so. Maybe he can lead England for 1-2 years whilst they groom Bairstow or Stokes.

The excuse of “no-one better” is just that, an excuse.

Captaincy is not only on-field tactics and clapping, most aspects can be learned on the job.

 

[wrongun]

Bairstow isn't captaincy material. He's a bottler.

Stokes is the only leader & big personality but I'm not sure if his behaviour will count against him. Last time England went to a maverick captain (Flintoff & KP both) it was a disaster both times. England are traditionally conservative so they'll be really wary of this even though he's really the only choice.

I can't remember the last time I saw a captain bowl his only strike weapon into the ground so mindlessly. Root has no clue how to handle a genuinely fast bowler. I'm staggered at his blindness.

 

[ManFan]

Bairstow isn't captaincy material. He's a bottler.

Stokes is the only leader & big personality but I'm not sure if his behaviour will count against him. Last time England went to a maverick captain (Flintoff & KP both) it was a disaster both times. England are traditionally conservative so they'll be really wary of this even though he's really the only choice.

I can't remember the last time I saw a captain bowl his only strike weapon into the ground so mindlessly. Root has no clue how to handle a genuinely fast bowler. I'm staggered at his blindness.

I think responsibility will bring the best out of Stokes.

He’s been their MVP during the WC and is consistently delivering in Tests.

 

[kingusama92]

He's averaging 31.08 (12 Tests) over the past year.

Seems like the captaincy is taking a toll on his batting form.

 

[Robert]

Decision could be made for him if England lose this series.

The Ashes are lost.

Root must be reduced to the ranks. Bring in Morgan as caretaker skipper.

 

[Abdullah719]

Ashes 2019: Joe Root says he is right man to lead England after Australia defeat

Joe Root said he is still the right man to captain England despite failing to regain the Ashes from Australia.

Defeat in the fourth Test at Old Trafford left England 2-1 down with one match to play and meant the holders will take the urn back down under.

Root also presided over England's 4-0 defeat in Australia in 2017-18.

"I have been given a fantastic opportunity to captain the Test side and will continue to work very hard at doing my best at that," said Root.

"That is in my control I have to make sure I do everything I can to get this team in the best shape to win as many games as possible."

Root, 28, took charge of the Test side at the beginning of 2017 and his win percentage of 50 is better than all but Michael Vaughan in the past 38 years.

However, Root will become the first England skipper since 2001 not to win a home Ashes series.

"Whenever you lose a series, it hurts," said the Yorkshire batsman. "I have to take that on the chin. You have to look at areas you want to get better at, both in yourself and as a team."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/49627521

 

[Sir-fraz]

According to bayless root is under no pressure while being the captain.

The stats show a different story

 

[ManFan]

The locker-room narrative is different then the numbers.

Root needs to drop the skipper’s hat and focus on restoring his form.

He has no weakness except lack of concentration and mental strength.

 

[MenInG]

Doing a good job today - also reaches the 7000 Test runs milestone.

 

[ManFan]

Doing a good job today - also reaches the 7000 Test runs milestone.

Dropped thrice and still scored only 57.

Should drop the skipper hat for his own good.

 

[James]

A potentially great player, but he is in danger of only ending up as having the legacy of a “good” batsman.

He (quickly) needs to wake up to the fact that he is not a natural leader and does not suit being the first drop in Tests.

Joe’s best role is when he plays the liberated star batsman who comes in at the big beast number four position, as Pietersen did.

 

[Aman]

A potentially great player, but he is in danger of only ending up as having the legacy of a “good” batsman.

He (quickly) needs to wake up to the fact that he is not a natural leader and does not suit being the first drop in Tests.

Joe’s best role is when he plays the liberated star batsman who comes in at the big beast number four position, as Pietersen did.

The #3 position isn't made for everyone.

I wonder how much Kane's numbers would have improved if he batted at 4. Smith, Kohli and Root all bat at 4 and don't need to play against the new ball as often. Whereas Kane is practically opening for us often.

 

[Robert]

A potentially great player, but he is in danger of only ending up as having the legacy of a “good” batsman.

He (quickly) needs to wake up to the fact that he is not a natural leader and does not suit being the first drop in Tests.

Joe’s best role is when he plays the liberated star batsman who comes in at the big beast number four position, as Pietersen did.

Sure. Though Pietersen benefitted from coming in behind Strauss, Cook and Trott. Root has nobody of that calibre to build a base for him.

 

[andy0204]

The #3 position isn't made for everyone.

I wonder how much Kane's numbers would have improved if he batted at 4. Smith, Kohli and Root all bat at 4 and don't need to play against the new ball as often. Whereas Kane is practically opening for us often.

Smith batted at 3 when Michael Clarke was captain and has 8 centuries with an average of 67.

 

[Darkrai]

Smith batted at 3 when Michael Clarke was captain and has 8 centuries with an average of 67.

But his technique is worse than Trent Boult, so he isn't a great batman.

 

[Varun]

A potentially great player, but he is in danger of only ending up as having the legacy of a “good” batsman. /bowler

This phrase applies to so many English cricketers - Pietersen, Anderson, Broad, Swann, Trott, etc.

Good but never great.

 

[Pakhs]

No he must not and he wont.