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There may have been a slight delay in this thread, maybe it’s the small nation of NZ I don’t know.

Here are a few achievements from this great man:

Led NZ to the number one ranking in Tests

Top 5 performer from the 2019 WC and lost the final on a technicality
- Famously beat tournament favourites India in the semi final and not just India, outperformed the best asian captain/player of all time

Cemented his greatness by winning the most prestigious prize in cricket, The World Test Championship
- Was also one of the top scorers in the match

I feel the final point especially is overlooked, he is the only one from the original fab 4 to achieve this.
 
Arguably the best of his era, what more does he need to do? I don’t think there is much to achieve really
 
Definitely an ATG against weak attacks of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh & Zimbabwe.

A Pujara/Rahane level batsman against Australia, England, India & South Africa.
 
Mamoon said:
Definitely an ATG against weak attacks of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh & Zimbabwe.

A Pujara/Rahane level batsman against Australia, England, India & South Africa.
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Lets not insult Pujara, he has been instrumental in India's two series wins in Australia which triumphs whatever Kane Williamson has done.
 
Mamoon said:
Definitely an ATG against weak attacks of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh & Zimbabwe.

A Pujara/Rahane level batsman against Australia, England, India & South Africa.
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Bit harsh really, are you calling the GOAT Indian bowling attack minnow level to?
 
Savak said:
Lets not insult Pujara, he has been instrumental in India's two series wins in Australia which triumphs whatever Kane Williamson has done.
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Pujara is like Azar Ali but on steroids.

Has he won the WTC and done well in it?

KW faced off against these same names and outperformed them
 
Not an ATG. His test stats away from home in major countries read as :

Australia - 42
England - 30
India - 33
South Africa - 21

These four countries are basically the equivalent for an Indian or Pakistani batsman to SENA conditions.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...1;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

If you go through this link, Kane Williamson can't even find his place in the first page which includes 50 batsman of 21st century. Kane Williamson not even in picture among 50 batsman of 21st century. You have Vaughan and Azhar Ali in these list. :facepalm
 
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Ab Fan said:
Not an ATG. His test stats away from home in major countries read as :

Australia - 42
England - 30
India - 33
South Africa - 21

These four countries are basically the equivalent for an Indian or Pakistani batsman to SENA conditions.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...1;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

If you go through this link, Kane Williamson can't even find his place in the first page which includes 50 batsman of 21st century. Kane Williamson not even in picture among 50 batsman of 21st century. You have Vaughan and Azhar Ali in these list. :facepalm
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What happened to the Indian bowling attack in the WTC final?
 
shaz619 said:
What happened to the Indian bowling attack in the WTC final?
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Kane scored 40 odd in 1st inning and in second inning, he was chasing 140. It is not like he hit a hundred in that game.

Kyle Jamieson was the player of match with 5-fer in both the innings.

However, it is embarassing that in Test cricket in the most alien conditions, Kane Williamson doesn't find a place among Top 50 batsman of 21st century. :smith
 
shaz619 said:
Bit harsh really, are you calling the GOAT Indian bowling attack minnow level to?
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Williamson is rubbish in India.

The WTC Final was played in New Zealand like conditions. They had a huge advantage. If it was played anywhere else in the world except England & New Zealand, India would have walked over them.

The WTC Final was practically a home game for New Zealand.
 
Mamoon said:
Williamson is rubbish in India.

The WTC Final was played in New Zealand like conditions. They had a huge advantage. If it was played anywhere else in the world except England & New Zealand, India would have walked over them.

The WTC Final was practically a home game for New Zealand.
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The conditions suited their bowlers as well and in these situations it comes down to who handles the pressure best, especially in championship with a trophy on the line
 
Ab Fan said:
Kane scored 40 odd in 1st inning and in second inning, he was chasing 140. It is not like he hit a hundred in that game.

Kyle Jamieson was the player of match with 5-fer in both the innings.

However, it is embarassing that in Test cricket in the most alien conditions, Kane Williamson doesn't find a place among Top 50 batsman of 21st century. :smith
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India's team selection was poor. Als they went straight from IPL. Siraj should have played ahead of Ashwin. Things would have been different. Anyway NZ fluked their way into final thanks to Australia's penalty points. Look at where they are now in the current cycle. They are 8th just above Bangladsesh.
 
Third best Kiwi Cricketer after Hadlee and Martin Crowe. Will probably end up as their leading run scorer and century maker in tests. In ODIs, he's looked quite weary for last few years. He isn't really NZ's most prized wicket in ODIs. Taylor was.

Don't think he'll have the longest career out of the fab 4 either.

Kohli played intense cricket till 2019 before losing form and his place is already secured as one of the LOI GOATS. He's started to find that hunger again.

Smith never really lost form just lost a year of cricket due to sandpapergate. He is visibly getting older now. But he's still the best when it comes to Tests. Extremely good in ODIs too. t20 has been his bane for last few years. Will have to play extremely poor in tests from now on and will still end up with better batting average than most ATGs. The only one to be consistent enough to be a 60+ test player. Is ahead of everyone in that format.

Root will have the longest career out of the 4 IMO. He is the youngest and the quickest of them all. Fatigue isn't in his dictionary. Will keep going on in tests. Has the chance of being the best English batter of modern times in Tests. In ODIs, I would still pick KP and Buttler ahead of him.

Kane's biggest attribute is his captaincy and tactics and IMO he is the best captain of them all.
 
PS having good batters and bowlers in the team helps the player achieve more. NZ as much as they have achieved, aren't just that good in batting dept especially now with Taylor gone.

The only person I saw thriving in a team surrounded by below average cricketers was King Lara. And his batting was poetry and thunder.
 
He is ATG leader according to me but not GOAT or player.. his consistency as a leader has been very remarkable.

Kiwis make the best utilization of resources imo in almost any field.
 
kane's 123 T20I career s/r has done more damage to nz than help them. in tests he has mediocre record in some countries. he is a NZ ATG though.

NZ had no business playing the WTC finals 2021. they've secured the finals berth by playing just 11 matches. rubbish. the qualification criteria was changed mid way in the league by icc technical committee which was then headed by kumble (thank you kumble for the dumb decision). as if this wasn't enough NZ played a test series in ENG which ended 5 days prior to the WTC finals, nice practice.
ranted on all these a million times before, but the trophy still stays with NZ. alas. well, at least for this cycle i expect someone more deserving to win it.
 
Kane's captaincy W/L ratio is under 1 against major sides across the formats. Australia/England/SA/India. Not to slight his captaincy. Despite having a wood over Kohli since NZ's loss in under-19 world cup, Kane's record in Australia as a captain leaves a lot to be desired. Until this T20 win in the recent world T20 Kane had a dubious record in Australia.

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Certified ATG Kiwi

Of course Indians will disagree, Williamson has owned India of late.

Who can forget the humiliation Williamson bestowed upon India in the 2019 WC SF? India couldn't beat NZ, in TWO days!

Then ofcourse the WTC, NZ beat India by 8 wickets, denying India the inaugural trophy.

Then there was the T20WC 2021, Williamson's NZ team once again beat India by 8 wickets, only to eliminate India by defeating Afghanistan! Double the pain!
 
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Ah a stark contrast of emotions, the one game which would define their undisputed greatness and KW broke billions of micro hearts en-route to his finest moment on the pitch:

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Bit of a weak attack basher in tests. That's the only weakness in an otherwise stellar career.
Don't think Indians can be salty with him for WTC or WC loss. 140 was never enough and NZ would have won it anyway and it was Matt Henry who won the SF for NZ.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India's team selection was poor. Als they went straight from IPL. Siraj should have played ahead of Ashwin. Things would have been different. Anyway NZ fluked their way into final thanks to Australia's penalty points. Look at where they are now in the current cycle. They are 8th just above Bangladsesh.
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That's true but Ashwin did managed to pick some wickets. We just didn't batted well.Jamieson was the real hero in both innings and he also scored some quickfire runs with bat in 1st inning. He was the difference, not Williamson.
 
He’s been the good guy. As a great of the game he’s however quietly joined the likes of Sangakkara, Kallis, Dravid as one of the unexciting run machine beta men of cricket. Never a clear cut best in the world at any given point in their respective careers.

ABD, Kohli and probably Smith (tests) are literally the only batsmen from the last decade who are knocking at the door of tier 1 batting legends , Tendulkar and Lara are sitting in their thrones in that hall , Ponting is holding the door.
 
Criticisms of him in this thread are fair.

Kiwi Great and an ATG leader.
 
Will go down as an ATG captain. And NZ great.

As a player, ATG Vs Pakistan in bilaterals. ATG Vs India in tournaments.
 
He has made a career out of bashing mediocre Pakistani, Sri Lankan, West Indian and Bangladeshi bowlers.

His failure rate against Indian, Australian, English and South African bowlers - home and away - is extremely high.

He is an incredibly overrated batsman. Nothing more than a “very good” batsman at best and not even remotely close to being the best in the world and an all-time great as some like to call him.

He has always been the worst member of the Fab Four and by some distance. He is closer to the level of Pujara, Babar, Azhar etc. than Smith, Kohli and Root.
 
“Joe Root isn’t fit to lace his boots” :)
 
Mamoon said:
He has made a career out of bashing mediocre Pakistani, Sri Lankan, West Indian and Bangladeshi bowlers.

His failure rate against Indian, Australian, English and South African bowlers - home and away - is extremely high.

He is an incredibly overrated batsman. Nothing more than a “very good” batsman at best and not even remotely close to being the best in the world and an all-time great as some like to call him.

He has always been the worst member of the Fab Four and by some distance. He is closer to the level of Pujara, Babar, Azhar etc. than Smith, Kohli and Root.
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Opposition - Aus/Ind/Eng/SA/NZ

S Smith - 59
Root - 48
Kohli - 46
Rohit - 44
Warner - 43
Pujara - 40
Khwaja - 40
Williamson - 39
Azhar - 38

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...1;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
 
Mamoon said:
He has made a career out of bashing mediocre Pakistani, Sri Lankan, West Indian and Bangladeshi bowlers.

His failure rate against Indian, Australian, English and South African bowlers - home and away - is extremely high.

He is an incredibly overrated batsman. Nothing more than a “very good” batsman at best and not even remotely close to being the best in the world and an all-time great as some like to call him.

He has always been the worst member of the Fab Four and by some distance. He is closer to the level of Pujara, Babar, Azhar etc. than Smith, Kohli and Root.
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He reminds me of Babar a lot.
 
Kane Williamson is the most prolific player for New Zealand Cricket

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Fakhar could have been an atg if he wasn't born in Pakistan.

Shame on pcb, Rizzu zindabad
 
It was a flat belter today. Nevertheless a good knock.
 
Kane's comeback has been brilliant against Pakistan. He played a superb innings and dominated every bowler. Today is a different day and a new challenge will come in the form of Sri Lankan bowlers including in-form Madushanka, Theeshana etc. Will he be playing another blinder in today's match which might be rain affected?
 
BouncerGuy said:
Kane's comeback has been brilliant against Pakistan. He played a superb innings and dominated every bowler. Today is a different day and a new challenge will come in the form of Sri Lankan bowlers including in-form Madushanka, Theeshana etc. Will he be playing another blinder in today's match which might be rain affected?
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We are hoping NOT!
 
Williamson's 4th attempt at the grandest stage is possible , he will be motivated today 2015 Final disappointment, 2019 hardback 2021 missed opportunity and now 2023
 
Tbf, He's an atg captain even if he didn't win a single cup, the guy is one heck of a captain and is superior to every single captain Pakistan has ever produced.

As a player he's a modern great. He's currently the 2nd best no 3 in the world rbf, after kohli
 
Hope New Zealand smash India in the semi final and win the World Cup next Sunday. Just want Kane Williamson to have that trophy in his hands. Been through so much heartbreak. He deserves it.
 
Playing the most important knock of his life

What an effort
Hats off
 
End of an era! From 3 consecutive ducks in Dambulla to this level well done KW
 
Just another impactless 50 from Kane that cost the semifinal match.

Took 24 balls to score around 8 runs in the powerplay while chasing a 400-run target.
When you are chasing a big target, you need to start hitting the ball right from the beginning rather than playing the anchor role.
 
Very happy that Bharat is in the finals and we won over NZ in KO finally.

But a part of me is sad about great Kane Williamson not winning a Odi WC trophy.

Came so close so many times.
 
Don't be sad just tell any ipl to buy him for the upcoming ipl
 
Why. THey overachieved with their resources. This is a crap bowling line up. Got beaten black and blue by so many teams. They took the gamble of using part timers for 4th and 5th bowling.
 
He is not that guy. Basically NZ’s Babar.

NZ needs a bigger character to get them over the line.

A reckless, self-destructive maverick like McCullum was followed by a reliable, cool-minded yet a timid personality like Kane.

Both played their role and established NZ as a genuine heavyweight but now they need a bigger spark to take them to the next level.

Perhaps Rachin could be that leader. He is going to be a box office player.
 
They won WTC. They really should have won 2019 if not for poor umpiring by Dharmasena
 
Mamoon said:
He is not that guy. Basically NZ’s Babar.

NZ needs a bigger character to get them over the line.

A reckless, self-destructive maverick like McCullum was followed by a reliable, cool-minded yet a timid personality like Kane.

Both played their role and established NZ as a genuine heavyweight but now they need a bigger spark to take them to the next level.

Perhaps Rachin could be that leader. He is going to be a box office player.
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He won them WTC . Babar was never going to win that.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Why. THey overachieved with their resources. This is a crap bowling line up. Got beaten black and blue by so many teams. They took the gamble of using part timers for 4th and 5th bowling.
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Exactly.
This is not a bilateral series to take a gamble. They can't win tournaments with part-time bowlers. Poor planning.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
He won them WTC . Babar was never going to win that.
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WTC is not a serious trophy. NZ had a joke FTP. They will never make a WTC Final in a level-playing field.

To be fair, Pakistan also had a very easy run in on paper and they bottled it big time because of pathetic pitches.

Kane is a good captain. A good leader, but NZ need someone better to take them to the next level.
 
Runners in 2019
WTC winners in 2021

They found Rachin this WC, looks like the next batting super star.
 
Hes still 33
One more World Cup left in him. Hopefully will win in 2027 if Pakistan doesn't win

Very very sad day as a Pakistani fan as well
 
He has himself to blame for. He was slow for modern era standards.

As much as you manage to survive and score runs, ultimately impact is defined by the fact that your runs are hurting opposition or not.

Kane's runs and his strike rate never hurts opposition. Last World Cup also, Taylor upped the ante and still that 240 was below par score. It's just that India batted poorly and were guilty of finding themselves in overcast conditions.
 
Don’t you ever dare mention that bum Virat in the same sentence as the great Kane Williamson, not even 100 Virat’s combined compare to the real GOAT.

Virat is not fit to wipe KW’s backside. He has truly been left in the sewers
 
Kane Williamson was struggling with injury during the ODI World Cup but now he is back in the side for the T20 series against Pakistan. Is he 100% fit od will he be playing with the same injury?
 
Black Caps captain Kane Williamson patient while managing knee recovery

Kane Williamson will be hoping 2024 doesn’t throw up any more obstacles like the ones he has had to deal with over the past three years.

Not that those issues – a niggly tendon in his left elbow, a ruptured anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee last April, and a broken left thumb – seem to have slowed him down at all.

Since the start of the 2020-21 summer – where the elbow issue that forced him to eventually take an extended break in 2022 first flared up – Williamson has averaged 71.48 in tests, 63.70 in one-day internationals and 34.73 in Twenty20 internationals.

It’s the latter format he will line up in on Friday, when the Black Caps face Pakistan at Eden Park in Auckland in the first clash of a five-match series, which serves as a key part of their preparations for June’s T20 World Cup in the West Indies and the United States.

But after leading his side in the first two matches - the second is at Seddon Park in Hamilton on Sunday - Williamson will skip the third at University of Otago Oval in Dunedin on Wednesday, before returning for the last two at Hagley Oval in Christchurch next Friday and Sunday.

He already skipped the ODI and T20I series against Bangladesh that got the home summer underway in December. While he was always set to miss the ODIs, he was originally picked for the T20Is, only to later withdraw.

Continued rehabilitation of his knee is the reason why, after he returned in just six months from an injury that often sidelines athletes for nine or more. Avoiding the extra flights involved in travelling to Dunedin made that match the ideal spot for a rest in the coming series.

Williamson's condensed recovery timeframe allowed him to lead the Black Caps as they made it to the semifinals of the ODI World Cup in India in November, though a broken thumb in his first match back meant his return wasn't as triumphant as it might have been.

Speaking ahead of Friday's T20I series opener, Williamson said he didn't expect he would have to manage his knee too far into the future.

"It's tough. You get back to playing and naturally the mindset ... is that it's done and dusted, then you get a tap on the shoulder and actually there's work to do to maintain it and keep working through it.

"It's still relatively early, I suppose, although I've been playing, and it's been nice to be doing that. It's just still putting in that work.

"It's just part of a plan to keep moving forward, keeping the knee health strong, and taking those steps forward, whilst looking to play as much as I can."

When Williamson returned to action after stepping away to let his elbow heal early in 2022 - missing home test series against Bangladesh and South Africa - his strike rates in all three formats were down on his career averages, though he still managed to grind out several crucial innings.

He appeared to turn a corner when he scored a double-century in Pakistan at the end of 2022 and since then, he has been at the top of his game, even in the wake of his knee injury and the significant period of time he spent out of action recovering.

Williamson said he had learnt from his first lengthy layoff - for an injury which more directly affected his batting as he made his way back from the second, saying it was about "accepting that it is what it is, and you're trying to go through it as best you can and put the time in and have patience, so when the time comes, you're ready, and very much looking forward to shifting through those gears".

i.stuff.co.nz

Black Caps captain Kane Williamson patient while managing knee recovery

Kane Williamson hates missing matches for the Black Caps, but has accepted it's for the best that he skips the third T20I against Pakistan.
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Kane Williamson's catch was dropped earlier in his innings and went on to score 42 balls 57 runs. But abbas has the last laugh as he is gone now.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Kane Williamson is retired hurt in the 2nd T20 match against Pakistan today as he was having some issues with his hamstring.​
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Kane Williamson has been ruled out of the remainder of the KFC T20 Series against Pakistan after a scan confirmed he suffered a minor hamstring strain while batting in Sunday’s T20I. Will Young will replace him for the remainder of the series.​
 
Kane is playing a beautiful inning here against South Africa in the 1st m=Tets match of the series. 84 runs so far. Getting is out of danger is becoming a norm for him. 39/2 to 193/2 with Rachin at the other end. Brilliant.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Kane is playing a beautiful inning here against South Africa in the 1st m=Tets match of the series. 84 runs so far. Getting is out of danger is becoming a norm for him. 39/2 to 193/2 with Rachin at the other end. Brilliant.
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Hundred number 30 for Kane now. Fantastic innings by the Kiwi great. He is currently the top-ranked batter in this format and he once again has has shown the world why he is on the top.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Hundred number 30 for Kane now. Fantastic innings by the Kiwi great. He is currently the top-ranked batter in this format and he once again has has shown the world why he is on the top.
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Kane Williamson becomes the 16th man to score 30 Test hundreds. Tendulkar still leading the chart with 51 hundred.
 
Kane Williamson has feasted a lot on weaker attacker at home and away.

His record vs top 4 teams ( AIES) at home and away records vs top 7 teams is not good. I think his away records is only good vs Pakistan in UAE conditions.
 
Ab Fan said:
Kane Williamson has feasted a lot on weaker attacker at home and away.

His record vs top 4 teams ( AIES) at home and away records vs top 7 teams is not good. I think his away records is only good vs Pakistan in UAE conditions.
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He averages 51 at home v AIES. Nearly 70 v SA and 50 v England, and has only played 2 home tests v Australia (having to bat on day 1 green tops in both of them).
 
The hundred is Kane Williamson's 4th in Test cricket against South Africa and 30th in Test cricket overall.

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