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Kashmir : ‘Where Hope Ends, Art Begins’

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Inqalaab-o-Inqalaab-o-Inqalaab. Singing these fervent lines with whole audience humming with him, Ali's performance discernibly evokes intense feelings in a city cafe in Srinagar filled beyond its capacity, predominantly by young energetic faces. Ali Saifuddin is one among several youngsters in Kashmir who uses art as a medium to oppose 'normalised' state subjugation.

Turmoil in Kashmir has led to the emergence of a new generation which finds itself at loggerheads with the state and its narrative. Several youngsters have picked up the gun and there is a continuous surge in number of youth joining militancy, especially post Burhan Wani's death. Amidst all the unrest there is a new crop of youngsters who have resorted to art as a means to counter the state and its narrative. Not astonishingly, these artists have become highly popular among the conflict sensitized youth in the Valley who see them depicting ---peacefully of course---their stories. Stories of anger. Stories of defiance. Stories of resistance.

As the state prohibits any form of protest and even resorts to stringent surveillance on social media platforms, there is literally no space for the youth to vent their frustration. Many end up picking guns, many more stones, but amidst all the chance medley, a large section of youngsters seek refuge in art, to relieve themselves, to protest and to show they exist.

Art acts as antidote to the collective grievance and helplessness. In the words of Leo Tolstoy "Art is not, as some metaphysicians say, the manifestation of some mysterious idea of God; it is not, as some aesthetical psychologists say, a game in which man lets off his excess of stored up energy; it is not the expression of man's emotions by external signs; it is not production of pleasing objects; and above all, it is not pleasure; but it is a means of union among men, joining them together in the same feelings."

What brings most youth to art is the state of gehenna that conflict brings about. Being themselves witness of death, destruction, oppression and subjugation, there is a sense of despondency among youth and that is exactly what sparks it.

"Where hope ends. Art begins" says Khawaja Musadiq, a young but highly popular poet, who writes what he calls 'poems of resistance'. Khawaja's poems which have a strong appeal in Kashmir and the prevailing popular movement, have become megahits on social media platforms, particularly among the literary aware youth populace.

"Art is always a form of resistance to a certain ideology or act and my poems reflect same. There is a need to express and vent it out especially in the present trying times. Though I am not sure about its success in creating a counter narrative but it does certainly bring like-minded people together" . Khawaja feels that poetry has provided him a channel to get out of the conflict and to get conflict out of him. In one of his most famous lines Musadiq laments

"In my country,
roses that grow
never reach the hands of lovers.
But just the skin
of graves".

Known for his colloquial style, award winning singer and poet Mohammad Muneem who along with Kashmir's first rapper MC Kash became famous for 'Listen my brother' feels that apart from political implications art helps to understand the compassionate side of a human being".

Adnan Naqeeb another singer reiterates that he finds no logical way out of the stagnant political conundrum in Kashmir and the only way to deviate the mind from the idea of violent retribution is to take refuge in some form of art.

Transcending boundaries and invoking metaphors of pain, art as a means to depict the day to day miseries of Kashmir has not been confined to the local artists. Juxtaposing images of violence and war with everyday life, Rollie Mukherjee, a Baroda based artist, for more than a decade has been using visual imageries through canvas and paint to highlight the Kashmir cause.

Rollie's engagement with the issues of Kashmir as an artist started with the work titled ‘will o the wisp’ executed in the year 2007. It talks about the cold blooded hegemonic state apparatus which reduces life to nothingness. Rollie continues to paint the lives of Kashmiris which she feels are under constant subjugation and remembers the anecdotes and stories of torture and suppression shared by Kashmiri men who used to visit her home for selling carpets and clothes in her childhood, which stirred artistic endeavours in her.

"Much of the knowledge about Kashmir in India and around the world even today is imagined and manufactured rather than based on reality. This imagination is partly due to the image of Kashmir as a picture postcard scenic beauty reproduced through Bollywood films and national television channels, which reduces the place to just a physical geography, bereft of human stories. Kashmiris, Muslims in particular are prisoners of the image constructed by the Indian state and the private media. These rumours and images of Kashmir, its people, its problems have created more prejudices and distortions rather than genuine knowledge about the people, place and its history." she says.

It is not that state has spared art and accepted it as a medium of dissent. Attempts to narrate stories of conflict-inflicted pain through creative means to have faced the brunt of state curbs. Various film and documentary screenings have been banned even in premier academic institutions like Kashmir University. Besides many artists in the past including Ali and MC Kash were forced to go underground as they feared police action. But in a strife torn region like Kashmir what keeps art alive is the spirit of it. Over and above, how can 'Art resistance' be an art, without resistance?

http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/9/13201/Where-Hope-Ends-Art-Begins
 
Just a bit of friendly advice to Kashmiris which sadly will be ignored.

1) Inqalaab is justifiable if you are not given democratic rights, for example if you are not allowed to vote and there are public spaces with signs saying "Dogs and Indians not allowed".

2) Many Kashmiris make a living by doing business in the rest of India. My mother literally bought lakhs of rupees of shawls from a Kashmiri shawlwala she took a liking to. And there are many Kashmiri students in Indian universities. If Kashmir was to separate from India, all this would go away.

3) Inqalaab has totally devastated Kashmir's economy. If tourists feel threatened they will not come.

4) Killing and driving Kashmiri Pandits out of Kashmir has been totally counterproductive. They are doctors, lawyers, managers who contribute to a successful society.

5) If Indian soldiers are threatened with injury or loss of life, they will fire back. And then there will be a tragic loss of life.

6) Inqalaab is a futile pursuit. If you don't understand it, then you do not understand how the rest of the country feels about Kashmir. Only if the central government collapses will it be successful, and objectively that won't happen.

7) The choice is A) continue the futile inqalaab which will never succeed and the deaths (on both sides) continues, and the people remain economically poor B) acknowledge that Kashmiris have the same rights and respect as other Indians, and become the wealthiest state in the country by developing tourism (currently the other tourism hot spot Goa is the richest state in the country after Delhi).
 
Just a bit of friendly advice to Kashmiris which sadly will be ignored.

1) Inqalaab is justifiable if you are not given democratic rights, for example if you are not allowed to vote and there are public spaces with signs saying "Dogs and Indians not allowed".
An inherently biased argument. Britishers should occupy India again and give Indians the democratic right to vote. All good?

2) Many Kashmiris make a living by doing business in the rest of India. My mother literally bought lakhs of rupees of shawls from a Kashmiri shawlwala she took a liking to. And there are many Kashmiri students in Indian universities. If Kashmir was to separate from India, all this would go away.
Why would it go away? Lol havent you heard of people working, doing business and studying in other countries?

3) Inqalaab has totally devastated Kashmir's economy. If tourists feel threatened they will not come.
Again inherently biased. Whats the reason for pursuit of inqalab?

4) Killing and driving Kashmiri Pandits out of Kashmir has been totally counterproductive. They are doctors, lawyers, managers who contribute to a successful society
Yes. And Indian regime did it. Not Kashmiri muslims.

5) If Indian soldiers are threatened with injury or loss of life, they will fire back. And then there will be a tragic loss of life.
Inherently biased. Why are your soldiers in Kashmir?

6) Inqalaab is a futile pursuit. If you don't understand it, then you do not understand how the rest of the country feels about Kashmir. Only if the central government collapses will it be successful, and objectively that won't happen.
Yes it is futile in terms of results so far. But not in terms of what a Kashmiri derives out of it. The satisfaction in trying. The process itself is freedom for many. We resist, hence we exist.

7) The choice is A) continue the futile inqalaab which will never succeed and the deaths (on both sides) continues, and the people remain economically poor B) acknowledge that Kashmiris have the same rights and respect as other Indians, and become the wealthiest state in the country by developing tourism (currently the other tourism hot spot Goa is the richest state in the country after Delhi).

Think about your own poor country. Leave Kashmir and reduce your defense budget. Give it to the poor who are sleeping on footpaths and have nothing to eat. Kashmiris will be far more prosperous without India. We have enough resources for that.
 
An inherently biased argument. Britishers should occupy India again and give Indians the democratic right to vote. All good?


Why would it go away? Lol havent you heard of people working, doing business and studying in other countries?


Again inherently biased. Whats the reason for pursuit of inqalab?


Yes. And Indian regime did it. Not Kashmiri muslims.


Inherently biased. Why are your soldiers in Kashmir?


Yes it is futile in terms of results so far. But not in terms of what a Kashmiri derives out of it. The satisfaction in trying. The process itself is freedom for many. We resist, hence we exist.



Think about your own poor country. Leave Kashmir and reduce your defense budget. Give it to the poor who are sleeping on footpaths and have nothing to eat. Kashmiris will be far more prosperous without India. We have enough resources for that.

Reading posts of Indian Posters over a period of time, gives me the impression that India is some First world Country and the Kashmiris should consider fortunate for being occupied by Bharat ,who otherwise will die from mass starvation without being part of the Indian Republic.

What is the general attitude towards India among Kashmiris? Do people really see India in high esteem and say to themselves " Hey let's become rich and super-rich being part of this mighty economic power house?
 
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An inherently biased argument. Britishers should occupy India again and give Indians the democratic right to vote. All good?

Obviously you cannot occupy a country and also give its citizens democratic rights. If the British gave Indians equal democratic rights, then it would be Indians who would be the rulers rather than the British due to the difference in population.

Why would it go away? Lol havent you heard of people working, doing business and studying in other countries?

You assume that India would allow Kashmiris access to the Indian market if Kashmir seceded. And it is not only shawls. The jewelry business in northern tourist towns is dominated by Kashmiris. All that would go away.

Again inherently biased. Whats the reason for pursuit of inqalab?

The idea that Muslims should not be ruled by Hindus. In reality in a democracy with equal rights, no one rules another.

Yes. And Indian regime did it. Not Kashmiri muslims.

A poor excuse believed only by those delusional.

Inherently biased. Why are your soldiers in Kashmir?

To defeat inqalaab.

Yes it is futile in terms of results so far. But not in terms of what a Kashmiri derives out of it. The satisfaction in trying. The process itself is freedom for many. We resist, hence we exist.

To invite suffering and remain poor is a bad choice, especially when equal rights have been given and there is no hope of inqalaab succeeding.

Think about your own poor country. Leave Kashmir and reduce your defense budget. Give it to the poor who are sleeping on footpaths and have nothing to eat. Kashmiris will be far more prosperous without India. We have enough resources for that.

Most likely outcome if Kashmir seceded is that it would be swallowed up by Pakistan. And Pakistan's economy is such a wonderful success.
 
Just a bit of friendly advice to Kashmiris which sadly will be ignored.

1) Inqalaab is justifiable if you are not given democratic rights, for example if you are not allowed to vote and there are public spaces with signs saying "Dogs and Indians not allowed".

2) Many Kashmiris make a living by doing business in the rest of India. My mother literally bought lakhs of rupees of shawls from a Kashmiri shawlwala she took a liking to. And there are many Kashmiri students in Indian universities. If Kashmir was to separate from India, all this would go away.

3) Inqalaab has totally devastated Kashmir's economy. If tourists feel threatened they will not come.

4) Killing and driving Kashmiri Pandits out of Kashmir has been totally counterproductive. They are doctors, lawyers, managers who contribute to a successful society.

5) If Indian soldiers are threatened with injury or loss of life, they will fire back. And then there will be a tragic loss of life.

6) Inqalaab is a futile pursuit. If you don't understand it, then you do not understand how the rest of the country feels about Kashmir. Only if the central government collapses will it be successful, and objectively that won't happen.

7) The choice is A) continue the futile inqalaab which will never succeed and the deaths (on both sides) continues, and the people remain economically poor B) acknowledge that Kashmiris have the same rights and respect as other Indians, and become the wealthiest state in the country by developing tourism (currently the other tourism hot spot Goa is the richest state in the country after Delhi).

Lol what an attitude. I think Kashmiris will just be fine and even better without Indian intervention just like Sri Lanka is. You don't need to be part of India to lead a decent life in SC, even a lot of Middle Class Pakistanis are leading a prosperous life.

Just imagine the number of Indians that can be lifted out of poverty and filth if the Indian Government stops spending Billions on Fancy Toys and securing volatile borders like Kashmir.
 
Reading posts of Indian Posters over a period of time, gives me the impression that India is some First world Country and the Kashmiris should consider fortunate for being occupied by Bharat ,who otherwise will die from mass starvation without being part of the Indian Republic.

In better sense prevailed and tourism was developed then at the very least Kashmir could become more like Goa. Currently Goa's per cap gdp is Rs. 270K compared to J&K's Rs. 118K. Getting to Rs. 270K would be a 130% increase. Wouldn't make you First World by any stretch, but still more than double is more than double.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_and_union_territories_by_GDP_per_capita

Of course, you could become a part of Pakistan instead, whose per cap gdp is 33% less than India's and falling behind at a steady rate.
 
Lol what an attitude. I think Kashmiris will just be fine and even better without Indian intervention just like Sri Lanka is. You don't need to be part of India to lead a decent life in SC, even a lot of Middle Class Pakistanis are leading a prosperous life.

Except that anyone with an understanding of the world will tell you that Kashmir will not be able to break away from India unless the Indian central government collapses, which it shows absolutely no signs of doing. So the options are a poor life in India or a richer life in India.

Just imagine the number of Indians that can be lifted out of poverty and filth if the Indian Government stops spending Billions on Fancy Toys and securing volatile borders like Kashmir.

Let me assure you that letting Kashmir go will do nothing for stopping wars with Pakistan. The Pakistani Army needs India as the enemy to maintain its dominance of Pakistan. They will find some other reason to fight India. You are incredibly naive if you believe the Pakistani Army general cares about Kashmiris.
 
An inherently biased argument. Britishers should occupy India again and give Indians the democratic right to vote. All good?


Why would it go away? Lol havent you heard of people working, doing business and studying in other countries?


Again inherently biased. Whats the reason for pursuit of inqalab?


Yes. And Indian regime did it. Not Kashmiri muslims.


Inherently biased. Why are your soldiers in Kashmir?


Yes it is futile in terms of results so far. But not in terms of what a Kashmiri derives out of it. The satisfaction in trying. The process itself is freedom for many. We resist, hence we exist.



Think about your own poor country. Leave Kashmir and reduce your defense budget. Give it to the poor who are sleeping on footpaths and have nothing to eat. Kashmiris will be far more prosperous without India. We have enough resources for that.

first thing is india cannot leave Kashmir because if leave it then Indus water treaty will be collapsed

that because there will be 3 countries[iok ind pak] for iwt which means three countries have to reduce it share of water and i do not thing any country will reduce of his share of water especially with rising population


and also is if Kashmir get independence then whole Kashmir economy will be collapse because your banks have stock share in Indian stock market that will India make sure it collapse and recent your banks taken bailout money from RBI that means Indian gov control your Kashmir banks
 
Obviously you cannot occupy a country and also give its citizens democratic rights. If the British gave Indians equal democratic rights, then it would be Indians who would be the rulers rather than the British due to the difference in population.
Yes, you can occupy a country and install a sham democracy with puppets in power as an eyewash to prevent backlash. Thats exactly what India is doing.


You assume that India would allow Kashmiris access to the Indian market if Kashmir seceded. And it is not only shawls. The jewelry business in northern tourist towns is dominated by Kashmiris. All that would go away.
Okay then India should say good bye to Kashmir's waters which they are using. Your northern grid is dependent on hydro-electricity from Kashmir. All your installations worth billions would go to waste. India won't do Kashmiris a favour by allowing trade and commerce. Its not for free. This is just one single factor. There are many others.

The idea that Muslims should not be ruled by Hindus. In reality in a democracy with equal rights, no one rules another.
This argument is of a typical Indian who has been systematically brainwashed by his various governments over decades through electronic and print media. Just because the majority in Kashmir happen to be muslim it becomes an Islamic struggle? Quite a convenient argument and i know it sells to the common Hindu like you. The argument is simple, black and white, hindus vs muslims, doesnt require any use of brains or analysis and hence is easily acceptable.

The struggle in Kashmir was never a religious one. It started off as a purely political struggle with a lot of the educated Kashmiri Pandits at the forefront of it. Even today it is purely political in nature but now it is supplemented by religion to keep it going. Every struggle or political movement in the entire world is based on some differences with the ones who are in power.

A poor excuse believed only by those delusional.
Its the naked truth which will haunt India for times to come. Only simplistic Indian citizens would put a blindfold on and accept things at face value. Like a said, Indians are victims of a systematic state propaganda over decades.



To defeat inqalaab.
Dont bring down the quality of discussion with this crap.



To invite suffering and remain poor is a bad choice, especially when equal rights have been given and there is no hope of inqalaab succeeding.
The opressor and occupier talks about equal rights. Poetic.

Most likely outcome if Kashmir seceded is that it would be swallowed up by Pakistan. And Pakistan's economy is such a wonderful success.

The entire south east Asia would be better off economically without the Kashmir conflict which really is the biggest hinderance to development.

This entire discussion is a vicious cycle. Its crazy that we all know it but fall into this pit over and over again lol.
 
Reading posts of Indian Posters over a period of time, gives me the impression that India is some First world Country and the Kashmiris should consider fortunate for being occupied by Bharat ,who otherwise will die from mass starvation without being part of the Indian Republic.

What is the general attitude towards India among Kashmiris? Do people really see India in high esteem and say to themselves " Hey let's become rich and super-rich being part of this mighty economic power house?

People obviously want to work and be rich. Who doesn't? But What Indians dont understand is that working in India or studying there doesnt mean Kashmiris have accepted India. Thats stupid. The underlying cause and sentiment would exist till the problem is solved. No matter what.
 
first thing is india cannot leave Kashmir because if leave it then Indus water treaty will be collapsed

that because there will be 3 countries[iok ind pak] for iwt which means three countries have to reduce it share of water and i do not thing any country will reduce of his share of water especially with rising population


and also is if Kashmir get independence then whole Kashmir economy will be collapse because your banks have stock share in Indian stock market that will India make sure it collapse and recent your banks taken bailout money from RBI that means Indian gov control your Kashmir banks

This will happen, that will happen. If every nation had thought like this then everyone would still be a slave to some other. You dont realize that Kashmir is under developed because of this political chaos and hence depends on Indian money. There is NO private sector in Kashmir because of article 370 which is indispensible till the problem is solved. Things would be much better once everything is settled. Obviously it takes time.
 
Yes, you can occupy a country and install a sham democracy with puppets in power as an eyewash to prevent backlash. Thats exactly what India is doing.



Okay then India should say good bye to Kashmir's waters which they are using. Your northern grid is dependent on hydro-electricity from Kashmir. All your installations worth billions would go to waste. India won't do Kashmiris a favour by allowing trade and commerce. Its not for free. This is just one single factor. There are many others.


This argument is of a typical Indian who has been systematically brainwashed by his various governments over decades through electronic and print media. Just because the majority in Kashmir happen to be muslim it becomes an Islamic struggle? Quite a convenient argument and i know it sells to the common Hindu like you. The argument is simple, black and white, hindus vs muslims, doesnt require any use of brains or analysis and hence is easily acceptable.

The struggle in Kashmir was never a religious one. It started off as a purely political struggle with a lot of the educated Kashmiri Pandits at the forefront of it. Even today it is purely political in nature but now it is supplemented by religion to keep it going. Every struggle or political movement in the entire world is based on some differences with the ones who are in power.


Its the naked truth which will haunt India for times to come. Only simplistic Indian citizens would put a blindfold on and accept things at face value. Like a said, Indians are victims of a systematic state propaganda over decades.




Dont bring down the quality of discussion with this crap.




The opressor and occupier talks about equal rights. Poetic.



The entire south east Asia would be better off economically without the Kashmir conflict which really is the biggest hinderance to development.

This entire discussion is a vicious cycle. Its crazy that we all know it but fall into this pit over and over again lol.

If you want to keep believing that India's democracy is a sham, that Kashmiri Pandits were killed and driven out of Kashmir by the Indian government, that the Kashmir rebellion is not based on religion, and that inqalaab has any hope of succeeding then it is your choice. I really have said all that I wanted to, nothing to add.
 
Except that anyone with an understanding of the world will tell you that Kashmir will not be able to break away from India unless the Indian central government collapses, which it shows absolutely no signs of doing. So the options are a poor life in India or a richer life in India.



Let me assure you that letting Kashmir go will do nothing for stopping wars with Pakistan. The Pakistani Army needs India as the enemy to maintain its dominance of Pakistan. They will find some other reason to fight India. You are incredibly naive if you believe the Pakistani Army general cares about Kashmiris.

Thats an assumption.
 
Thats an assumption.

You bolded two statements, which one do you believe is an assumption?

"The Pakistani Army needs India as the enemy to maintain its dominance of Pakistan." This should be apparent to anyone who has observed how the Pakistani Army dominates the economy of Pakistan.

"They will find some other reason to fight India." Never hard to find reasons to fight, even a cursory reading of history will tell you that. Wars occur because at some point the elites believe it is to their advantage, not because of rational reasons.
 
You bolded two statements, which one do you believe is an assumption?

"The Pakistani Army needs India as the enemy to maintain its dominance of Pakistan." This should be apparent to anyone who has observed how the Pakistani Army dominates the economy of Pakistan.

"They will find some other reason to fight India." Never hard to find reasons to fight, even a cursory reading of history will tell you that. Wars occur because at some point the elites believe it is to their advantage, not because of rational reasons.

No Pakistan army does not dominate Pakistan's economy. It is involved in certain economic ventures and that is because it is only working institution left in the country which is relatively less corrupt and knows how to do things. They are only filling in the vacuum left by corrupt civilian institutions. I admit that this is not an ideal situation but all blame cannot be put on army.

You are trying to give an impression that its Pakistan army that always initiates wars and that Indians are innocent souls who only try to defend itself. I cannot buy into this considering what happened in 1971.
 
Yes, you can occupy a country and install a sham democracy with puppets in power as an eyewash to prevent backlash. Thats exactly what India is doing.



Okay then India should say good bye to Kashmir's waters which they are using. Your northern grid is dependent on hydro-electricity from Kashmir. All your installations worth billions would go to waste. India won't do Kashmiris a favour by allowing trade and commerce. Its not for free. This is just one single factor. There are many others.


This argument is of a typical Indian who has been systematically brainwashed by his various governments over decades through electronic and print media. Just because the majority in Kashmir happen to be muslim it becomes an Islamic struggle? Quite a convenient argument and i know it sells to the common Hindu like you. The argument is simple, black and white, hindus vs muslims, doesnt require any use of brains or analysis and hence is easily acceptable.

The struggle in Kashmir was never a religious one. It started off as a purely political struggle with a lot of the educated Kashmiri Pandits at the forefront of it. Even today it is purely political in nature but now it is supplemented by religion to keep it going. Every struggle or political movement in the entire world is based on some differences with the ones who are in power.


Its the naked truth which will haunt India for times to come. Only simplistic Indian citizens would put a blindfold on and accept things at face value. Like a said, Indians are victims of a systematic state propaganda over decades.




Dont bring down the quality of discussion with this crap.




The opressor and occupier talks about equal rights. Poetic.



The entire south east Asia would be better off economically without the Kashmir conflict which really is the biggest hinderance to development.

This entire discussion is a vicious cycle. Its crazy that we all know it but fall into this pit over and over again lol.

Yes bro, you are right it was the Indian regime that drove the Kashmiri Pandits out of the valley, why waste your time arguing with these Indians who don't have a clue what they are talking about ? I mean look how good Pakistan has progressed since its independence these deluded Indians cant hold a candle to that.. At least we know if Kashmir ever gets Independence from India, China will soon take over it and everyone will be free to live in a fair democracy :angel:
 
No Pakistan army does not dominate Pakistan's economy. It is involved in certain economic ventures

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/26/AR2007062601826.html

and that is because it is only working institution left in the country which is relatively less corrupt and knows how to do things. They are only filling in the vacuum left by corrupt civilian institutions. I admit that this is not an ideal situation but all blame cannot be put on army.

There has been a lot of criticism of Pakistani politicians. But Pakistan really hasn't had a long stretch of democracy. Political leaders have been created by the Army, and once in power have to constantly look over their shoulder at what the Army may be planning for them. The enormous power which the Army has internally means they dominate the economy, running bakeries, construction firms etc. Let me assure you that this is not the way to succeed economically. It has never happened in history that the Army has run the economy and run it well.

You cannot expect the political system to function when the Army constantly overthrows the civilian government, and even hangs a PM.

You are trying to give an impression that its Pakistan army that always initiates wars and that Indians are innocent souls who only try to defend itself. I cannot buy into this considering what happened in 1971.

No, Indians are not saints either. But the Indian Army is controlled by the civilian government, and is therefore not able to set an agenda of hostility to increase its own importance.
 
This will happen, that will happen. If every nation had thought like this then everyone would still be a slave to some other. You dont realize that Kashmir is under developed because of this political chaos and hence depends on Indian money. There is NO private sector in Kashmir because of article 370 which is indispensible till the problem is solved. Things would be much better once everything is settled. Obviously it takes time.

ok you have given me economy solution

but you did not give me answer on how you solved Indus water treaty problem especially after
once Kashmir get Independence
 
The reason i put Kashmir in title was that i knew no one will read the article completely and this thread will turn into India vs Kashmir s Pakistan thread.

Lol at some Indians who act as our Godfathers......
You guys will will never understand our pain bcz you have never lost a beloved one bcz of Army or security forces, we know what it means and i pray it never ever happens with anyone of you, bcz the pain is unbearable
 
The reason i put Kashmir in title was that i knew no one will read the article completely and this thread will turn into India vs Kashmir s Pakistan thread.

Lol at some Indians who act as our Godfathers......
You guys will will never understand our pain bcz you have never lost a beloved one bcz of Army or security forces, we know what it means and i pray it never ever happens with anyone of you, bcz the pain is unbearable

What you say is true about your pain, but that's like saying you wouldn't understand the pain of people who experienced partition because of Mr.Jinnnah and Gandhi,
 
There are times when I think there is no point of India fighting wars over Kashmir and then I remember in that logic there is no point of any country, religion both of which wages numerous wars ,glad I have no say in this and Indian army takes such decisions.
 
The reason i put Kashmir in title was that i knew no one will read the article completely and this thread will turn into India vs Kashmir s Pakistan thread.

Lol at some Indians who act as our Godfathers......

A Bihari is as much the godfather of a Kashmiri, as a Kashmiri is the godfather of a Telegu. That's what living in a country with equal democratic rights means.

You guys will will never understand our pain bcz you have never lost a beloved one bcz of Army or security forces, we know what it means and i pray it never ever happens with anyone of you, bcz the pain is unbearable

My family lost quite a few members during Partition. With time even the unbearable pain fades.
 
Same ghissi pitta bakwaas that's been repeated in every thread from Indians. I've yet to see diversity in opinion within Indians...the only time I've seen it is when they discuss Bollywood.
 
Same ghissi pitta bakwaas that's been repeated in every thread from Indians. I've yet to see diversity in opinion within Indians...the only time I've seen it is when they discuss Bollywood.

As opposed to the Indians, you no doubt are a veritable font of new ideas. It is just that I couldn't find a single one from you in this thread or elsewhere.
 
As opposed to the Indians, you no doubt are a veritable font of new ideas. It is just that I couldn't find a single one from you in this thread or elsewhere.


What 'ideas' do you expect me to share exactly? Ideas to counter Indian propaganda?
 
Same ghissi pitta bakwaas that's been repeated in every thread from Indians. I've yet to see diversity in opinion within Indians...the only time I've seen it is when they discuss Bollywood.

If you want diversity, go to a zoo. We Indians are not here to provide you diversity just for the sake of it. Truth must be spoken in unison and in chorus.
 
What 'ideas' do you expect me to share exactly? Ideas to counter Indian propaganda?

You obviously have high standards as you were complaining about nothing new from Indians. No doubt you have something new to offer.
 
You obviously have high standards as you were complaining about nothing new from Indians. No doubt you have something new to offer.

A blog is a place for discussion..I'm not sure how you expected me to share ideas? Ideas on what? India Pakistan cricket? Politics?. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. All I said was majority of Indians on here have the same opinion on most things...which is odd, if you ask me.
 
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