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Kashmir ours. For every slap on my army's Jawan, lay down at least 100 jihadi lives: Gautam Gambhir

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Look a thing all the Pakistanis here twisting facts.. Are you all illiterate who can't understand English? His anger is against jihadis and anti Indians and his comments are absolutely right.. He did not say anything about Kashmiris..
 
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This is the reason why Kashmir issue still going on.. Pakistanis should just accept the Kashmir they have India should accept the Kashmir they have and move on.. Once Pakistan stops meddling Indian government can hold talks with Kashmiris and start proper development over there but neither country wants that and people of Kashmir suffer..
 
This is the reason why Kashmir issue still going on.. Pakistanis should just accept the Kashmir they have India should accept the Kashmir they have and move on.. Once Pakistan stops meddling Indian government can hold talks with Kashmiris and start proper development over there but neither country wants that and people of Kashmir suffer..

Gambhir said those things about Jihadists/terrorists and the first comments you see here are that he is instigating Genocide.

If there is a Genocide against Jihadists, then it should be welcomed by everyone. Instead posters spinned it into an anti-kashmiri statement. Does it mean Kashmiris are Jihadis?
 
Gambhir said those things about Jihadists/terrorists and the first comments you see here are that he is instigating Genocide.

If there is a Genocide against Jihadists, then it should be welcomed by everyone. Instead posters spinned it into an anti-kashmiri statement. Does it mean Kashmiris are Jihadis?


Read the comments here by Pakistani posters and then anyone would understand how their government ISI must be twisting facts/brainwashing people.. Masters of twisting facts
 
Not sure whether Gambhir was drunk when he posted his second tweet? Pakistani flag also has Green and White color so the only thing which they are missing is saffron which according to gambhir is 'fire of our anger'. :angelo
 
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When you become a celebrity, superstar or a politician you have a responsibility to not say controversial things. People look up to their celebrities, superstars or politicians and get into heated debates online. Now gambhir is going to sleep without any tension after gaining some patriotic points but some online warriors will defend his statements across all boards & social media.
 

Stone vs Target Bullet

You expect Indian Army to come and give you a hug and put a ladoo in your mouth when you throw stones at them ? lol :)) .... Get what you deserve, provoke and face the consequences, your Pakistani muslim brothers are not coming to liberate you, they can barely look after themselves let alone take Kashmir from India, stop living in lala land...........
 
He needs Afridi to make him cry again never mind fighting at the border that is beyond him. I bet him wouldn't even have the guts to visit IoK in fear of being nailed. If Kashmir was yours you would not see Indian's having to tell people that a zillion times. He is not Kashmiri, ask the majority Kashmiris what they want.
 
Perfect Indian, we need people like this to make our country look much more stupid than it already looks. BCCI should warn players from making stupid comments on twitter. They are BCCI employees after all. Would never see an idiotic tweet like this from Dhoni, Sachin or Kohli.
 
To some of my countrymen. The world is very different from what you are brainwashed to think of, you have been brainwashed, accept it and learn to be progressive. You are told that British occupied your land but why do you refuse to see that Kashmir is no different ? Why hold on to a stupid land where the people doesn't want to be part of you ? Is the small man syndrome hurting your ego ? We should spend more money on education, health and infrastructure rather than wasting resources in Kashmir. The sad fact is that most of you including my family members have issues processing this situation. The best thing I did was move to a developed country that helped me open my eyes. India is far behind the developed world, very far behind. That is all I can tell you.

I can clearly see that most of the Pakistanis here actually live outside of Pakistan. Third world mentality stands out clearly.
 
To some of my countrymen. The world is very different from what you are brainwashed to think of, you have been brainwashed, accept it and learn to be progressive. You are told that British occupied your land but why do you refuse to see that Kashmir is no different ? Why hold on to a stupid land where the people doesn't want to be part of you ? Is the small man syndrome hurting your ego ? We should spend more money on education, health and infrastructure rather than wasting resources in Kashmir. The sad fact is that most of you including my family members have issues processing this situation. The best thing I did was move to a developed country that helped me open my eyes. India is far behind the developed world, very far behind. That is all I can tell you.

I can clearly see that most of the Pakistanis here actually live outside of Pakistan. Third world mentality stands out clearly.
Well considering you have a level head on your shoulders, I can try to have a honest discussion with you. Unfortunately both countries are stuck in a third world mentality (these issues are deep rooted and takes phenomenal amount of time and dedication to get rid of) HOWEVER Pakistan's issues are all internal. India on the other hand has both external and internal issues. India is mentally ill from religious nationalism. They want war and are blood thirsty from all accounts. Sub continent needs to be ready.
 
To some of my countrymen. The world is very different from what you are brainwashed to think of, you have been brainwashed, accept it and learn to be progressive. You are told that British occupied your land but why do you refuse to see that Kashmir is no different ? Why hold on to a stupid land where the people doesn't want to be part of you ? Is the small man syndrome hurting your ego ? We should spend more money on education, health and infrastructure rather than wasting resources in Kashmir. The sad fact is that most of you including my family members have issues processing this situation. The best thing I did was move to a developed country that helped me open my eyes. India is far behind the developed world, very far behind. That is all I can tell you.

I can clearly see that most of the Pakistanis here actually live outside of Pakistan. Third world mentality stands out clearly.

Good mail by an Indian for a change apart from the last part. People living in or outside Pak makes no difference when it comes to the Kashmir issue. India see's Kashmir as being a matter of pride as they don't want to lose more land after 1947. Another thing is as explained before that losing Kashmir will result in the complete break up of India that is inevitable. Then it will only be a matter of time before Naxalites, Nagaland, Assam, Sikh's, Seven sisters, Jharkand and even Goa are liberated. The greater India resists the bloodier the final consequences will be. An honest Indian like Arundhati Roy will only be abused when speaking the truth, the break up of India will mostly benefit it's own poor people. Such a country can never be sustained.
 
Substantiate to whom?Its a fact that Kashmiri Pandits were killed and the rest had to flee he valley.

The Army is there to deal with these terrorists.

Ofcourse its the truth. It defames kashmiri struggle, goes along with the indian narrative that kashmiri muslims are terrorists, gives India a justification to keep their army in Kashmir, it was widely covered by the Indian media so it must be the absolute truth.
 
Gambhir said those things about Jihadists/terrorists and the first comments you see here are that he is instigating Genocide.

If there is a Genocide against Jihadists, then it should be welcomed by everyone. Instead posters spinned it into an anti-kashmiri statement. Does it mean Kashmiris are Jihadis?

What/ who is a jihadist? What does it mean? Please clarify this.
 
Look a thing all the Pakistanis here twisting facts.. Are you all illiterate who can't understand English? His anger is against jihadis and anti Indians and his comments are absolutely right.. He did not say anything about Kashmiris..

Well Mr Englishman, what your blind nationalism doesn't let you understand is that those throwing stones and confronting Indian soldiers are not all so called jihadis. Mojority of them are average citizens who feel threatened and humiliated by extreme force used against Kashmiris. More force you use against them, more they will hate you. If you believe these Kashmiris are brainwashed by Pakistan then this is even bigger matter of shame that people living in your control for 70 years still get influenced by Pakistan.
 
Good mail by an Indian for a change apart from the last part. People living in or outside Pak makes no difference when it comes to the Kashmir issue. India see's Kashmir as being a matter of pride as they don't want to lose more land after 1947. Another thing is as explained before that losing Kashmir will result in the complete break up of India that is inevitable. Then it will only be a matter of time before Naxalites, Nagaland, Assam, Sikh's, Seven sisters, Jharkand and even Goa are liberated. The greater India resists the bloodier the final consequences will be. An honest Indian like Arundhati Roy will only be abused when speaking the truth, the break up of India will mostly benefit it's own poor people. Such a country can never be sustained.

LOL at India breaking into separate nations. Kashmir is the only state that wants to separate. That is another idiotic fear among Indian politicians and some public. If those states truly want to separate we would have heard few noises from them already. You would at least have Anti-Indian political parties ruling those states to start off with. Those anger in places like Nagaland comes from lack of resources allocation and you tend to get people talking about separatism. Government realized its danger and are actually working with states like Sikkim and Nagaland. Assam is being ruled by BJP and that should tell you what people think about being part of India. LOL at Jharkhand and Goa separating. Not going to deny there are people who think separatism is better but they aren't going to spring into action with serious intention.
 
. An honest Indian like Arundhati Roy will only be abused when speaking the truth, the break up of India will mostly benefit it's own poor people. Such a country can never be sustained.

Yes very true about Arundathi Roy, I would say the same for Najem Sethi. I hope the current India doesnt break up into many states as we all seen what it did to the poor ppl to see Pakistan break up into Paksitan and Bangladesh :angel:
 
Well considering you have a level head on your shoulders, I can try to have a honest discussion with you. Unfortunately both countries are stuck in a third world mentality (these issues are deep rooted and takes phenomenal amount of time and dedication to get rid of) HOWEVER Pakistan's issues are all internal. India on the other hand has both external and internal issues. India is mentally ill from religious nationalism. They want war and are blood thirsty from all accounts. Sub continent needs to be ready.

We are all are from 3rd world countries my friend. Religious Nationalism is resorted to few states in India and that too in very few blocks where there are high number of Hindus. These religious thugs can't even shout anti-non-Hindu slogans in middle of Delhi for example without getting beat up by good samaritans. Indians are not religious at all, at least for most Hindus it isn't the case. You are talking about goons going around and causing chaos in the name of religion and half of them don't even honestly think god exists. India wanting war with every country is false, but Indians wanting their military to flex muscles at everyone else comes from the influence of Indian cinema and its promotion of patriotism. We love to look cool in front of others, we are attention seekers. Only way we can do that is to compare the military budget, few olympic gold medals and that song where Rihanna used an Indian instrument in her song. That is all we got, we got to flex muscles at something and someone else right ? When was the last time you saw a tough Indian guy in an Hollywood movie ? What do average foreigners think of Indians ? When did you last see a tough fresh of the boat Indian guy start a fight in a club ? I myself am a fresh of the boat. Exactly, this tough guy talk is only through internet. We are not blood thirsty people, we just make a lot of noise to look tough and cool.
 
No posting tweets from unverified sources please.
 
To some of my countrymen. The world is very different from what you are brainwashed to think of, you have been brainwashed, accept it and learn to be progressive. You are told that British occupied your land but why do you refuse to see that Kashmir is no different ? Why hold on to a stupid land where the people doesn't want to be part of you ? Is the small man syndrome hurting your ego ? We should spend more money on education, health and infrastructure rather than wasting resources in Kashmir. The sad fact is that most of you including my family members have issues processing this situation. The best thing I did was move to a developed country that helped me open my eyes. India is far behind the developed world, very far behind. That is all I can tell you.

I can clearly see that most of the Pakistanis here actually live outside of Pakistan. Third world mentality stands out clearly.

Where are you now,Canada? No doubt that India needs to spend on education and many internal issues ,what one doesn't see or the western world doesn't show is the amount of "exploitation" and violence these first world countries have committed to have high HDI.

The progressive attitudes are only measured based on what the west has setup,which btw most of them never followed in their history or still don't,their media is also as biased as India's with the exception being they are creative in the way they say it.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/How-Anti-Trump-Liberal-Media-Cheered-Syria-Attack-20170410-0033.html

Following the strikes, the Times' front-page headline read, “On Syria Attack, Trump’s Heart Came First.”

The first world didn't develop a day ago,they have waged enough wars exploited enough countries to do the same.
 
We are all are from 3rd world countries my friend. Religious Nationalism is resorted to few states in India and that too in very few blocks where there are high number of Hindus. These religious thugs can't even shout anti-non-Hindu slogans in middle of Delhi for example without getting beat up by good samaritans. Indians are not religious at all, at least for most Hindus it isn't the case. You are talking about goons going around and causing chaos in the name of religion and half of them don't even honestly think god exists. India wanting war with every country is false, but Indians wanting their military to flex muscles at everyone else comes from the influence of Indian cinema and its promotion of patriotism. We love to look cool in front of others, we are attention seekers. Only way we can do that is to compare the military budget, few olympic gold medals and that song where Rihanna used an Indian instrument in her song. That is all we got, we got to flex muscles at something and someone else right ? When was the last time you saw a tough Indian guy in an Hollywood movie ? What do average foreigners think of Indians ? When did you last see a tough fresh of the boat Indian guy start a fight in a club ? I myself am a fresh of the boat. Exactly, this tough guy talk is only through internet. We are not blood thirsty people, we just make a lot of noise to look tough and cool.
On the international stage, posturing like this isn't seen as a bloody movie. This is the real deal. Other countries are evidently going to react against this and harshly believe me.
 

This is the video for reference.Would love to see Pakistani soldiers take this.
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Does it really look like this place belongs to India. Indian army looks like an occupying force here. Just look at the people's reaction.
 
On the international stage, posturing like this isn't seen as a bloody movie. This is the real deal. Other countries are evidently going to react against this and harshly believe me.

We will deal with the countries when they react.Thank You.
 
Read the comments here by Pakistani posters and then anyone would understand how their government ISI must be twisting facts/brainwashing people.. Masters of twisting facts

Why ? Because we don't buy the narrative of a ultra nationalist thug like Gambhir says on Kashmir ??

We know the ones that are brainwashed on this issue and the fact 98% didn't even vote show they don't want anything to be with India. The 2% were probably the hundrerd of thousands troops stationed at the valley.

Not a hair raised when children were being pumped full of pellets or bring blinded but suddenly rage over video ofsome shoving of some soldiers.
If you can't stomach Pakistanis opinion then why are you coming here ?? We will always comment on Kashmir weather you like it or not.

Fake drama and fake rage, no ones falling for it.
 
Does it really look like this place belongs to India. Indian army looks like an occupying force here. Just look at the people's reaction.

True but i rather brainwash myself than burden my conscious with the truth,you are from the land of America where the harsh truth is presented in a creative way of freedom and democracy and 80% readily accept it.
 
Read the comments here by Pakistani posters and then anyone would understand how their government ISI must be twisting facts/brainwashing people.. Masters of twisting facts

actually reading comments by your lot just shows how naive indians are
 
Not a hair on any Indian poster's head was moved when more than 100 people were killed and hundreds were maimed and blinded by this occupying force just few months back.

When you fight with unarmed protesters a kick is the least you can expect.

I know, the Indian army killing and doing atrocities is fine, but a little kick to the army and people are justifying that the unarmed protesters deserved to be killed, I'm completely dumbfounded by how some can think that's OK.


Player make political statements all the time, I think it was Ali who did or wanted to wear free gaza statements so its nothing new for players to show political leanings.

Ali did it in protest to free people of gaza, he didn't make any claims on how anyone should be killed or that people should retaliate, he was instigating a fight or any hatred and even then he was pulled up for it, will gambhir be held accountable? What he did was stupid, especially his second tweet, he just looks like a dufus. He has misdirected rage.
 
I know, the Indian army killing and doing atrocities is fine, but a little kick to the army and people are justifying that the unarmed protesters deserved to be killed, I'm completely dumbfounded by how some can think that's OK.




Ali did it in protest to free people of gaza, he didn't make any claims on how anyone should be killed or that people should retaliate, he was instigating a fight or any hatred and even then he was pulled up for it, will gambhir be held accountable? What he did was stupid, especially his second tweet, he just looks like a dufus. He has misdirected rage.

Gambhir held accountable for what and by whom? He is a free citizen of a sovereign nation and can support his country's army and ask for punishments of terrorists.There is no law againist that. He cannot be punished because he doesnt conform to the views of Pakistanis or the terrorists in Kashmir.
 
Why ? Because we don't buy the narrative of a ultra nationalist thug like Gambhir says on Kashmir ??

We know the ones that are brainwashed on this issue and the fact 98% didn't even vote show they don't want anything to be with India. The 2% were probably the hundrerd of thousands troops stationed at the valley.

Not a hair raised when children were being pumped full of pellets or bring blinded but suddenly rage over video ofsome shoving of some soldiers.
If you can't stomach Pakistanis opinion then why are you coming here ?? We will always comment on Kashmir weather you like it or not.

Fake drama and fake rage, no ones falling for it.

I never said Indian government is saint or anything but that is not the point of this thread..

That is a separate issue Gambhirs comments were specifically about jihadis which you all twisted to use it against kahmiris.. Which is what your government/ISI does in real life too: twist comments/interfere in Kashmir..
 
actually reading comments by your lot just shows how naive indians are


What naivety you guys are either just too biased or stupid that you think Gambhir meant to cleanse Kashmir or commit a genocide against civilians?? Read his post again he didn't say anything wrong.. don't mix his teeets with the way Indian government handles Kashmir issue and then you would see what he meant..
 
Well Mr Englishman, what your blind nationalism doesn't let you understand is that those throwing stones and confronting Indian soldiers are not all so called jihadis. Mojority of them are average citizens who feel threatened and humiliated by extreme force used against Kashmiris. More force you use against them, more they will hate you. If you believe these Kashmiris are brainwashed by Pakistan then this is even bigger matter of shame that people living in your control for 70 years still get influenced by Pakistan.

Mate everyone here will agree Kashmir issue hasn't been handled properly by any side.. If you deny Pakistan doesn't have any role in brainwashing/providing money and encouragement to separatist ideology you must be living in lalaland.. Kashmir issue can be solved by India and Pakistan accepting the current LOC and when terrorism dies and trust between two nations builds back up again then allowing Kashmiris from either side of the border to move to the other side without restrictions.. Army would slowly drop back if that happens but no side is interested in resolution Kashmir is a convenient issue to bring up nationalism amongst people while making them forget the real issues they face in day to day life I.e. Get a better standard of living..
 
Gambhir what a patriotic man .

First thrashed Pakistan throughout his career on the field and now thrashing them off the field for supporting Jihadis .Hatsoff
 
With a mighty average of 28.

With that kind of a performance I wouldn't necessarily recommend him to wander off to the LOC :)) Would probably get a hiding by his own regiment for spouting such mediocrity day in day out :)))
 
With that kind of a performance I wouldn't necessarily recommend him to wander off to the LOC :)) Would probably get a hiding by his own regiment for spouting such mediocrity day in day out :)))

Oh so the real person going across loc for cricket should be Sehwag is it :-)
 
Sehwag averages 34. Which, by India's excellent standards, is pretty dire.

I think only :sachin goes through the filter but sadly for India he is a proper gentleman and has a working head on his shoulders
 
In tests he avgs 49 plus and a mighty 92 vs Pakistan.

Which isn't surprising, considering the amount of dead pitches Pakistan and India played their Tests on against each other. Who can forget the 600+ scores by both.

Not that Sehwag isn't class, best opener in the last decade. But in ODIs wasn't that great against Pak, as say Tendulkar was.
 
Which isn't surprising, considering the amount of dead pitches Pakistan and India played their Tests on against each other. Who can forget the 600+ scores by both.

Not that Sehwag isn't class, best opener in the last decade. But in ODIs wasn't that great against Pak, as say Tendulkar was.

no dude SRT is not a match winner :-) But good we are discussing cricket
 
I'm assuming you're referring to his role in the post-Godhra riots. He has been subject to multiple investigations (including the last one by the SIT appointed by the Supreme Court) and has been exonerated each time.
 
I'm assuming you're referring to his role in the post-Godhra riots. He has been subject to multiple investigations (including the last one by the SIT appointed by the Supreme Court) and has been exonerated each time.

It's Indian matter, but can't take anything serious when nepotism, corruption and electing radical Hindus is prevalent in India.
 
Indian forces kill 9 unarmed Kashmiris mostly teenagers in a single (same) day there is no outrage on it. A boy slaps a CRPF man the whole India is outraged. This is the BIGGEST DEMOCRACY in the world for you.

I salute the morality of these boys that they have let them off with just some slaps considering the fact that more than half a dozen of the casualties were from the same part of the Kashmir where this incidence happened.

Considering the Ghambir's tweet I say Indian people including journalists and celebrities are fuelling the fire that is going to burn them to the ashes.
 
Where are you now,Canada? No doubt that India needs to spend on education and many internal issues ,what one doesn't see or the western world doesn't show is the amount of "exploitation" and violence these first world countries have committed to have high HDI.

The progressive attitudes are only measured based on what the west has setup,which btw most of them never followed in their history or still don't,their media is also as biased as India's with the exception being they are creative in the way they say it.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/How-Anti-Trump-Liberal-Media-Cheered-Syria-Attack-20170410-0033.html



The first world didn't develop a day ago,they have waged enough wars exploited enough countries to do the same.

Yea Canada and this world is no perfect. There is a difference between American and Canadian media. Special interest influence their media, in Canada we don't have that power. Only CBC, BBC of Canada can do that and even then they are more sane. No doubt we had to fight for our independence for 150+ years and we are still fighting for it. Our economy is still run my western influence. Western nations admit their past mistakes and hence why then even let 3rd world population in to their country. Can you imagine India or Pakistan letting Somalians and Rwandans into their country ? Development is measured by what the first think is necessary. Someone laughed when I said i'll only marry a virgin girl, they think virgin girls are losers and marrying a girl who has many "experience" is considered an achievement. Such stupid cultural belief are subjective and we have all the right to laugh at their stupidity. But on the other hand we have so many positives to learn from developed countries. We don't need to change our values like language and traditions but but our attitude and outlook can be changed for the better. Why do our parents want us to be engineers and doctors ? If kids weren't pressured to fulfill the desire of their parents we would have had many Olympic medals, inventors and a much more positive society. Talking about language, even in prestigious Chinese schools and colleges they learn everything in their native language. The Chinese pick up English very quickly and are very smart at it. Look how developed they are ? We still think we should send our kids to English medium schools for "better future" and even stupid employers think so.
 
There's patriotism and then there's Gambhirism.

Something awkward about sportsmen getting involved in this sort of stuff.
 
I'm all for gambhir taking a stance and being vocal. I feel no differently, any anti Indian element deserves no better. Leave or of you wanna stay get in line
 
He is being patriotic here,just like us Pakistanis are about the Kashmir issue.Calling protestors as Jihadists is a step too far though.Seems like he's endorsing the atrocities going on with the people of Kashmir.
 
Yea Canada and this world is no perfect. There is a difference between American and Canadian media. Special interest influence their media, in Canada we don't have that power. Only CBC, BBC of Canada can do that and even then they are more sane. No doubt we had to fight for our independence for 150+ years and we are still fighting for it. Our economy is still run my western influence. Western nations admit their past mistakes and hence why then even let 3rd world population in to their country. Can you imagine India or Pakistan letting Somalians and Rwandans into their country ? Development is measured by what the first think is necessary. Someone laughed when I said i'll only marry a virgin girl, they think virgin girls are losers and marrying a girl who has many "experience" is considered an achievement. Such stupid cultural belief are subjective and we have all the right to laugh at their stupidity. But on the other hand we have so many positives to learn from developed countries. We don't need to change our values like language and traditions but but our attitude and outlook can be changed for the better. Why do our parents want us to be engineers and doctors ? If kids weren't pressured to fulfill the desire of their parents we would have had many Olympic medals, inventors and a much more positive society. Talking about language, even in prestigious Chinese schools and colleges they learn everything in their native language. The Chinese pick up English very quickly and are very smart at it. Look how developed they are ? We still think we should send our kids to English medium schools for "better future" and even stupid employers think so.

Canada can't be compared to India they have half the population of TN,Justin can wish Punjabis,Tamilian festivals but the fact of the matter is Canada mostly gets somewhat literate population of India with atleast school/college education.

I agree that we don't have to change entirely and there are many aspects we can learn from them also on the language front,there are so many issues based on language in India ,we don't have 2 languages like Canada or 1 like US/UK,thereby it becomes hard to implement our education on native languages.
 
Why Gautam Gambhir should not speak on Kashmir

Condemning the kicking and jeering at paramilitary personnel of your country is understandable, but calling for mass murder in retaliation is not – especially when you are a famed cricketer.

A video of a group of Kashmiri youth heckling CRPF jawans has gone viral. There are different interpretations of the clip – on the one hand viewers feel there is commendable restraint by the jawans who are being insulted while others think while the jawans were largely outnumbered at the spot, it was the youths whose resentment of Indian forces is beyond doubt who were displaying restraint, by not beating up the soldiers.

Gautam Gambhir, captain of the IPL team Kolkata Knight Riders, tweeted, “For every slap on my army’s Jawan lay down at least a 100 jihadi lives. Whoever wants Azadi LEAVE NOW! Kashmir is ours. #kashmirbelongs2us”

Gambhir does not specify what he means by “jihadis” but the context of his tweets implies he is alluding to Kashmiri protesters like those who heckled the jawans and raised pro-secessionist slogans.

Gambhir’s tweets are problematic on multiple counts. First,this comment is not from some random troll lurking around the internet in order to threaten and abuse . Gambhir is a celebrated international cricketer with a large fan base across the country and over three million followers on Twitter.

Kashmiri novelist Mirza Waheed, author of acclaimed novels The Book of Golden Leaves and The Collaborator, is on point when he says that such tweets from a “star cricketer” should worry progressive Indians. “More than Kashmiris, it’s progressive India that should worry, and worry a lot, when star cricketers call for mass murder,” the novelist tweeted.

Second, Gambhir’s tweets show that the cricketer – like many other Indians – completely fails to understand the complexities and ground realities of the Kashmir conflict; and wearing his nationalism on his sleeve, he has jumped the Twitter gun.

Gambhir perhaps has no clue that almost every day the state’s forces (armed with bullets and pellets) and Kashmiri civilian protesters (armed with stones) clash with each other as the decades-old conflict and its manifestations rage on. It’s an everyday battlefield out here whose political solution remains elusive.

Gambhir has never interacted with or asked the stone-pelters what they want or why they want “azaadi”. He has never displayed any outrage about the hundreds blinded by the state’s use of pellet guns on protesters or the 90 Kashmiris killed during last year’s unrest in the Valley. Those lives don’t seem to matter much to Gambhir.

He surely has no idea that the resentment against everything Indian is so high in the Valley right now that in the recently-held Srinagar parliamentary by-polls the death toll in the violence – eight Kashmiri civilians – was higher than the polling percentage of just above seven.

With due respect to Gambhir’s concerns about the heckling of jawans, he needs to realise that the reality of Kashmir is too complex to be captured by his hyper-nationalistic 140-character tweets. His comment calls for territorial control of Kashmir without caring about its people. This is exactly the kind of mindset which will keep stoking the Kashmir conflict and never help bring an end to the violence in the Valley.

In his second tweet, Gambhir goes on to give his own interpretation of the symbolic meaning of the Indian tricolour. “Anti-Indians have forgotten dat our flag also stands 4: saffron - fire of our anger, white - shroud for jihadis, green - hatred 4 terror.” Experts are perplexed: since when has the flag begun representing anger and hatred and become reduced to a shroud?

Gambhir should keep quiet on the issue of Kashmir because being a youth icon and influencer such messages from him will go a long way in constructing a perverted narrative about the Kashmir conflict in young minds.

Abhishek Saha reports for HT from Kashmir

http://www.hindustantimes.com/opini...-on-kashmir/story-SFiBRkMBQhtFXFJMgoEvyH.html
 
Canada can't be compared to India they have half the population of TN,Justin can wish Punjabis,Tamilian festivals but the fact of the matter is Canada mostly gets somewhat literate population of India with atleast school/college education.

I agree that we don't have to change entirely and there are many aspects we can learn from them also on the language front,there are so many issues based on language in India ,we don't have 2 languages like Canada or 1 like US/UK,thereby it becomes hard to implement our education on native languages.

My problem is not with illiterates, my problem is with those educated people that are still ignorant. Trump supporters are mostly either rich or highschool drop outs. The rich wants to taxes reduced and don't care what else he does to others (corporate thinking) and the poor who are mostly uneducated are poor for a reason, they were too stupid to do anything with their life. Our poor people can't move up easily and that is why I blame central and state for the inability. Our educated population in state still refuses to vote anyone apart from DMK/ADMK and the rest of the country refuses to vote for anyone else other than BJP/Congress. Same can be said for US but you don't see Obama and Clinton looting billions of dollars with the knowledge of the entire country.

China has many languages and they have still managed to progress their society further up. We don't all need to speak one language to have a good system in place. Our society as a whole need to become better and therefore we can produce better teachers on average which will result in better youths of tomorrow.
 
My problem is not with illiterates, my problem is with those educated people that are still ignorant. Trump supporters are mostly either rich or highschool drop outs. The rich wants to taxes reduced and don't care what else he does to others (corporate thinking) and the poor who are mostly uneducated are poor for a reason, they were too stupid to do anything with their life. Our poor people can't move up easily and that is why I blame central and state for the inability. Our educated population in state still refuses to vote anyone apart from DMK/ADMK and the rest of the country refuses to vote for anyone else other than BJP/Congress. Same can be said for US but you don't see Obama and Clinton looting billions of dollars with the knowledge of the entire country.

China has many languages and they have still managed to progress their society further up. We don't all need to speak one language to have a good system in place. Our society as a whole need to become better and therefore we can produce better teachers on average which will result in better youths of tomorrow.

I agree on China have massive respect for what they have done,but they have no gone the way of democracy and appeasement vote bank politics,thereby making things easier for the leadership to improve upon,our people would not reach those levels of efficiency unless the existing subsidized systems change.
 
Condemning the kicking and jeering at paramilitary personnel of your country is understandable, but calling for mass murder in retaliation is not – especially when you are a famed cricketer.

A video of a group of Kashmiri youth heckling CRPF jawans has gone viral. There are different interpretations of the clip – on the one hand viewers feel there is commendable restraint by the jawans who are being insulted while others think while the jawans were largely outnumbered at the spot, it was the youths whose resentment of Indian forces is beyond doubt who were displaying restraint, by not beating up the soldiers.

Gautam Gambhir, captain of the IPL team Kolkata Knight Riders, tweeted, “For every slap on my army’s Jawan lay down at least a 100 jihadi lives. Whoever wants Azadi LEAVE NOW! Kashmir is ours. #kashmirbelongs2us”

Gambhir does not specify what he means by “jihadis” but the context of his tweets implies he is alluding to Kashmiri protesters like those who heckled the jawans and raised pro-secessionist slogans.

Gambhir’s tweets are problematic on multiple counts. First,this comment is not from some random troll lurking around the internet in order to threaten and abuse . Gambhir is a celebrated international cricketer with a large fan base across the country and over three million followers on Twitter.

Kashmiri novelist Mirza Waheed, author of acclaimed novels The Book of Golden Leaves and The Collaborator, is on point when he says that such tweets from a “star cricketer” should worry progressive Indians. “More than Kashmiris, it’s progressive India that should worry, and worry a lot, when star cricketers call for mass murder,” the novelist tweeted.

Second, Gambhir’s tweets show that the cricketer – like many other Indians – completely fails to understand the complexities and ground realities of the Kashmir conflict; and wearing his nationalism on his sleeve, he has jumped the Twitter gun.

Gambhir perhaps has no clue that almost every day the state’s forces (armed with bullets and pellets) and Kashmiri civilian protesters (armed with stones) clash with each other as the decades-old conflict and its manifestations rage on. It’s an everyday battlefield out here whose political solution remains elusive.

Gambhir has never interacted with or asked the stone-pelters what they want or why they want “azaadi”. He has never displayed any outrage about the hundreds blinded by the state’s use of pellet guns on protesters or the 90 Kashmiris killed during last year’s unrest in the Valley. Those lives don’t seem to matter much to Gambhir.

He surely has no idea that the resentment against everything Indian is so high in the Valley right now that in the recently-held Srinagar parliamentary by-polls the death toll in the violence – eight Kashmiri civilians – was higher than the polling percentage of just above seven.

With due respect to Gambhir’s concerns about the heckling of jawans, he needs to realise that the reality of Kashmir is too complex to be captured by his hyper-nationalistic 140-character tweets. His comment calls for territorial control of Kashmir without caring about its people. This is exactly the kind of mindset which will keep stoking the Kashmir conflict and never help bring an end to the violence in the Valley.

In his second tweet, Gambhir goes on to give his own interpretation of the symbolic meaning of the Indian tricolour. “Anti-Indians have forgotten dat our flag also stands 4: saffron - fire of our anger, white - shroud for jihadis, green - hatred 4 terror.” Experts are perplexed: since when has the flag begun representing anger and hatred and become reduced to a shroud?

Gambhir should keep quiet on the issue of Kashmir because being a youth icon and influencer such messages from him will go a long way in constructing a perverted narrative about the Kashmir conflict in young minds.

Abhishek Saha reports for HT from Kashmir

http://www.hindustantimes.com/opini...-on-kashmir/story-SFiBRkMBQhtFXFJMgoEvyH.html

Outstanding piece, which captures the essence of why Gambhir is so wrong in what he said.
 
Kashmiris should have a right for self determination- India know what would happen if that were ever to be allowed- one day Kashmir will be free from the oppression from India!
 
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LOL at India breaking into separate nations. Kashmir is the only state that wants to separate. That is another idiotic fear among Indian politicians and some public. If those states truly want to separate we would have heard few noises from them already. You would at least have Anti-Indian political parties ruling those states to start off with. Those anger in places like Nagaland comes from lack of resources allocation and you tend to get people talking about separatism. Government realized its danger and are actually working with states like Sikkim and Nagaland. Assam is being ruled by BJP and that should tell you what people think about being part of India. LOL at Jharkhand and Goa separating. Not going to deny there are people who think separatism is better but they aren't going to spring into action with
serious intention.

What you taking about Kashmir being the only one?? India has tones of such movements and even sub movements where many want freedom from India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separatist_movements_of_India so why deny it? You do hear noises from them or do you expect them to personally knock on your door to tell you? Although the media may exaggerate certain events what I see is conclusive enough. It is Balochistan that you people keep harping about which wants rights and dragged in to the mainstream Pak community. Having been there and spoken with the locals I know what I am talking about. I won't say that every person n the said area's wants separation from insurgency hit area's I mentioned but a good chunk do.
 
Yes very true about Arundathi Roy, I would say the same for Najem Sethi. I hope the current India doesnt break up into many states as we all seen what it did to the poor ppl to see Pakistan break up into Paksitan and Bangladesh :angel:

...and how 1947 broke India in to parts as well:warner
 
I try my best through my keyboards to unite Indians and Pakistanis. Whenever tension builds up, I log into one of my fake accounts on social media, and post hateful stuff about both countries pretending as a westerner. Then hundreds abuse me in unison, defending each other, and it distracts them for a day.
 
lol enjoyed every moment of that video..they need to be told what their standing in kashmir is..niklu wahaan say!!
 
Gambhir said those things about Jihadists/terrorists and the first comments you see here are that he is instigating Genocide.

If there is a Genocide against Jihadists, then it should be welcomed by everyone. Instead posters spinned it into an anti-kashmiri statement. Does it mean Kashmiris are Jihadis?

That's exactly what gambhir was implying-

Maybe it's your comprehension that needs work
 
Kashmir: 54 students injured in clashes outside Pulwama college, says Greater Kashmir report

https://scroll.in/latest/834708/at-...e-pulwama-college-says-greater-kashmir-report

The police and military entered the college and thrashed male and female students alike. Videos of army men beating students violently are going viral on twitter and facebook. The armymen made the students shout anti-pakistani slogans at gunpoint.
 
What you taking about Kashmir being the only one?? India has tones of such movements and even sub movements where many want freedom from India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separatist_movements_of_India so why deny it? You do hear noises from them or do you expect them to personally knock on your door to tell you? Although the media may exaggerate certain events what I see is conclusive enough. It is Balochistan that you people keep harping about which wants rights and dragged in to the mainstream Pak community. Having been there and spoken with the locals I know what I am talking about. I won't say that every person n the said area's wants separation from insurgency hit area's I mentioned but a good chunk do.

Assam separatist movement died way back in 80s, that is when India was in recession and like I said India has worked with them over time to make sure necessary resources are allocated for all the states. The reason for the uprising in Assam was the lack of allocation funds. When you neglect people, they will neglect you back. That uprising has died along time ago. The ones who came after had no specific reason other than self interest and that is why it died down. Any separatist movement with a good leader and idea won't die down like it did. Khalistan died long time ago as well, there are few sikhs who are still angry about the Golden Temple incident which again is the fault of government. Many civilians were killed, the Operation was very reckless. Sikhs are most true patriots of India, they represent very large portion of the military % compared to their population. Nagaland's separatist movement died down due to lack of support and it even says that. When a separatist movement begins often it is the fault of the government and not the people. But government and politicians love blaming people. Separatist movement will always exist in small pocket and in hearts but no one is going put enough effort to make it stand out.
 
News coming in that another person has been shot dead when BSF open fired on protestors in Batamaloo area of Srinagar.
 
:( :'(

Che kati az kal? Home or away?

Home.
Ab halaat puray saal aisay hi rahay gay , unfortunately.
It seems it is now really the new normal.
Plus the Human Cost of conflict has gone up by several degress.
 
Home.
Ab halaat puray saal aisay hi rahay gay , unfortunately.
It seems it is now really the new normal.
Plus the Human Cost of conflict has gone up by several degress.

The situation is so convoluted. I dont know whats going to happen. :( people are getting killed in young age.
 
I agree on China have massive respect for what they have done,but they have no gone the way of democracy and appeasement vote bank politics,thereby making things easier for the leadership to improve upon,our people would not reach those levels of efficiency unless the existing subsidized systems change.

If it was our people the entire country would have been ruled by a DMK like family party with totalitarianism looting everyone and everything. Before jallikattu no one had the courage to say anything about politicians fearing death as a consequence. I'm also guilty of using my relative's name and his political position to get away from drunk driving. This is a democratic country where a police officer couldn't charge someone for their wrong doing just because a young punk claimed his relative was a politician. He didn't even bother to ask for a prove. Democracy for you.
 
Assam separatist movement died way back in 80s, that is when India was in recession and like I said India has worked with them over time to make sure necessary resources are allocated for all the states. The reason for the uprising in Assam was the lack of allocation funds. When you neglect people, they will neglect you back. That uprising has died along time ago. The ones who came after had no specific reason other than self interest and that is why it died down. Any separatist movement with a good leader and idea won't die down like it did. Khalistan died long time ago as well, there are few sikhs who are still angry about the Golden Temple incident which again is the fault of government. Many civilians were killed, the Operation was very reckless. Sikhs are most true patriots of India, they represent very large portion of the military % compared to their population. Nagaland's separatist movement died down due to lack of support and it even says that. When a separatist movement begins often it is the fault of the government and not the people. But government and politicians love blaming people. Separatist movement will always exist in small pocket and in hearts but no one is going put enough effort to make it stand out.

No I don't think the Assam movement has completley ended so at all. No movement eve completely dies out. These are still many who would want freedom only that the media dies not over it. It is a case of out of sight, out of mind! Thing is that as you admit it is neglect and poverty that angers people then why will Indian's not accept that it is the same case in Baluchistan? We have treated them poorly however most Baloch is pro Pakistani who want rights not independence.

It is hard to give figures over how many are still upset and how many happy to be a part of India. What I know is that many...I am talking about millions here do want their own country yet many are patriotic Indians as well. I agree that your government was to blame for attacking the temple ten again we can argue that the Sikh community avenged their anger by assassinating Indira Gandhi.

I don't think the movements in India are as small as you would like to think.
 
No I don't think the Assam movement has completley ended so at all. No movement eve completely dies out. These are still many who would want freedom only that the media dies not over it. It is a case of out of sight, out of mind! Thing is that as you admit it is neglect and poverty that angers people then why will Indian's not accept that it is the same case in Baluchistan? We have treated them poorly however most Baloch is pro Pakistani who want rights not independence.

It is hard to give figures over how many are still upset and how many happy to be a part of India. What I know is that many...I am talking about millions here do want their own country yet many are patriotic Indians as well. I agree that your government was to blame for attacking the temple ten again we can argue that the Sikh community avenged their anger by assassinating Indira Gandhi.

I don't think the movements in India are as small as you would like to think.

If it was large we would have felt it's impact. At least few police stations would have been attacked. People may have separatism in their hearts but not enough anger to take it out via actions. Now, if we panic and deploy troops there to "control" separatism then you can see it get worse.
 
If it was large we would have felt it's impact. At least few police stations would have been attacked. People may have separatism in their hearts but not enough anger to take it out via actions. Now, if we panic and deploy troops there to "control" separatism then you can see it get worse.

You see I am someone who believes in seeing is believing. People were on about Baluchistan being on fire and how Pak was about to lose it so I just had to visit Quetta and Noshki the last time I was there. True, not every Baluch was happy with Islamabad, many were furious with it yet no one suggested being separated. The theory was if Pak were to grant it independence China or Iran may try to annex it. India is a massive country compared to Pakistan, right? The media will not report every bomb blast or mishap also the people living in places like Assam are to poor to be able to fight. Anyway, Pak should never get involved in it but if you keep supporting separatism then just a matter of time before Pak gets involved as well.
 
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