Keir Starmer: Leader of the Labour Party

[Abdullah719]

<b>Sir Keir Starmer has won the Labour leadership election, bringing an end to Jeremy Corbyn’s almost five-year tenure at the top of the party.</b>

Starmer, a former director of public prosecutions, beat Rebecca Long-Bailey and Lisa Nandy in the final leg of the race.

His immediate priority will be to respond to Boris Johnson’s call for all party leaders to work together to tackle the coronavirus crisis.

Just before the announcement of the result, the prime minister wrote to all opposition leaders saying: “As party leaders, we have a duty to work together at this time of national emergency. Therefore, I would like to invite all opposition leaders to a briefing with myself, the chief medical officer and the chief scientific adviser next week.”

Starmer’s victory marks the end of the Corbyn era, during which the party took a sharp turn to the left.

The former shadow Brexit secretary is considered to be more on the soft-left than Corbyn but he has promised the former leader’s supporters not to steer too far away from his radical policy programme of nationalisation and fighting austerity.

The MP for Holborn and St Pancras will now start to put together a shadow cabinet and team of advisers that is expected to draw from all wings of the party in order to try to draw a line under factionalism that has dogged Labour in recent years.

He has suggested he will give shadow cabinet roles to his former rivals, Long-Bailey, who was backed by many Corbyn supporters, and Nandy, who has argued the party’s Brexit policy was on the wrong track at the election.

Starmer, who was instrumental in the party’s pro-second referendum position, will now find his time dominated not by Brexit, but how Labour should respond as an opposition to the coronavirus crisis and its impact.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/04/keir-starmer-wins-labour-leadership-election

 

[Markhor]

Took 56% of the vote.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

At first glance he appears more to the right of the ‘socialist’ Boris.
I don’t have much knowledge of Keir Starmer but I do hope we are not in Blair territory once again.

 

[GBK_Fan]

Good riddance!! Starmer has an uphill task for 2024. Hopefully he picks people on capability and not ideology

 

[MenInG]

For a moment I read the title as

Keir Starmer wins Labour leadership election, bringing an end to Jeremy Corbyn’s torture

 

[Robert]

Well, thank goodness for that. Sanity returns to the Labour Party, and the disastrous Corbynista sixth-form self-indulgence is over.

Pragmatism, intellect, and grown-up competence return to the Labour leadership.

Now Starmer must purge the NEC and get in some hard-nosed types who have the skills to win a general election. That may take years, or happen by itself as Momentum lose heart and their numbers drop away. He must finally lance the antisemitic boil. He must, and will subject Johnson to relentless forensic scrutiny over their dreadful mishandling of Coronavirus. He will banish the ideologue non-hackers to the back benches and bring in brains and skill in Jarvis and Malhotra.

Johnson and his spiv Cabinet must be bottling it!

 

[PetroDollars]

Another piece of lunch for Boris to eat

 

[James]

Starmer and his team will undoubtedly provide a superior opposition to the Tories in comparison to the previous car crash Corbynista student politics regime - David Starkey hit the nail on the head when he described Jeremy as a man on a permanent gap year - but only time will tell if the party can now mobilise enough public support to get Labour back into government, either with a majority or through a hung parliament and grand coalition.

 

[Robert]

Starmer and his team will undoubtedly provide a superior opposition to the Tories in comparison to the previous car crash Corbynista student politics regime - David Starkey hit the nail on the head when he described Jeremy as a man on a permanent gap year - but only time will tell if the party can now mobilise enough public support to get Labour back into government, either with a majority or through a hung parliament and grand coalition.

The gap year analogy is bang on. Corbyn’s understanding never developed beyond the student union.

At this stage I think the grand coalition is more likely. SNP have Scotland on lock and alliance with them could result if there was a promise of IndyRef2. Stand-down pacts with the Lib Dems led by the left-leaning Moran could see a dozen blue seats turn yellow and a confidence and supply arrangement result in a PV referendum.

For the first time in four years I feel hope.

 

[James]

PV referendum? We’ve left the EU already fella. We are no longer members. That’s done and dusted. We are a third nation negotiating a free trade deal. There is no wide public appetite for anything EU-related. This was demonstrated clearly in December.

More likely would be a referendum on voting reform, for example it could be moving away from first past the post and towards a more proportional system.

 

[Robert]

PV referendum? We’ve left the EU already fella. We are no longer members. That’s done and dusted. We are a third nation negotiating a free trade deal. There is no wide public appetite for anything EU-related. This was demonstrated clearly in December.

More likely would be a referendum on voting reform, for example it could be moving away from first past the post and towards a more proportional system.

A Voting reform referendum is what I mean.

 

[James]

Ok cool

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Sir Starmer appointed leader on 4th April
Hopefully this will provide a resurge in British unions and agriculture and human rights for workers

With the current blackout ending in June hopefully Sir Keir will work behind closed doors and provide a stern shadow cabinet with the help of corbyn and Sharon hodgson

 

[Robert]

Sir Starmer appointed leader on 4th April
Hopefully this will provide a resurge in British unions and agriculture and human rights for workers

With the current blackout ending in June hopefully Sir Keir will work behind closed doors and provide a stern shadow cabinet with the help of corbyn and Sharon hodgson

I cannot imagine that Corbyn will have a role. I think he will slide off to the backbrneches where he should have stayed.

I am equally glad that pragmatic Rayner is Deputy instead of that ideologue Burgon.

 

[Robert]

Ok cool

Only a Revoke extremist (and I have met one or two) would think there is any point now. That argument is lost. Remain is dead and buried. Rejoiners will have to wait ten years and see the lie of the political and economic landscape. It might be that we apply for EFTA membership then. Have to see....

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I cannot imagine that Corbyn will have a role. I think he will slide off to the backbrneches where he should have stayed.

I am equally glad that pragmatic Rayner is Deputy instead of that ideologue Burgon.

Corbin will maintain the ties he's managed to blossom since becoming pm especially amongst the black and Irish communitu
Don't know much about rayner but it was a shame to see Abbott go

 

[Robert]

Corbin will maintain the ties he's managed to blossom since becoming pm especially amongst the black and Irish communitu
Don't know much about rayner but it was a shame to see Abbott go

Eh? They mostly vote Labour anyway.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Eh? They mostly vote Labour anyway.

Not as active as they are in the US minus Abbott
And corbin and his chancellor have alot of history in sinn fein who haven't previously post ira been active in uk politics

 

[Robert]

Not as active as they are in the US minus Abbott
And corbin and his chancellor have alot of history in sinn fein who haven't previously post ira been active in uk politics

Really not sure what point you are making about black British voters, and there are several black MPs.

Sinn Fein do not take their seats in Westminster because they would have to swear to the Queen. What do you mean by “a lot of history”? The Good Friday Agreement was brokered by the Major and Blair governments, the Taoiseach, the Norther Irish MPs and community leaders of all stripes. Corbyn and McDonnell had no role.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Really not sure what point you are making about black British voters, and there are several black MPs.

Sinn Fein do not take their seats in Westminster because they would have to swear to the Queen. What do you mean by “a lot of history”? The Good Friday Agreement was brokered by the Major and Blair governments, the Taoiseach, the Norther Irish MPs and community leaders of all stripes. Corbyn and McDonnell had no role.

The only black mp I can think of is chuka and he has had more parties than dj sammy

As for sinn fein I'm sure they provided some help to corbyn when the DUP joined theresa may

 

[MenInG]

The toxic combination of an unpopular leader, confused message on Brexit and a manifesto rejected as fantasy pushed Labour to its lowest point in almost a century in the December election.

Bringing back the smallest number of MPs since 1935, Labour has a mountain to climb to get back into power, according to a Labour Party review of the 2019 election defeat released on Friday.

Just to become the largest party in the UK requires a swing towards Labour on the scale of Tony Blair's 1997 Labour landslide. To win outright, Labour must increase its total number of seats by 60%, something no party has ever done before - more Everest than Ben Nevis.

But the report also concluded that the defeat was not solely down to Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, manifesto and Brexit.

The 15-strong panel of commissioners, including former leader Ed Miliband and Manchester Central MP Lucy Powell concluded that this defeat had been a "long time coming" and could be traced back to two decades of demographic and political change that had fractured Labour's voter coalition.

"It was a historic defeat, but it was a long time coming," Ms Powell told Sky News in an interview about the 150-page report she helped to write.

"Along the way there were positive points - particularly in 2017 when we really did mobilise non-voters in a way we hadn't done before - but in many other working-class communities which have been de-industrialised, where political alienation has taken place where there is a real desire and thirst for change, the Labour Party has not been offering the kind of change that these voters and communities have wanted."

The party lost all types of votes everywhere when compared with 2017, except in London. Labour lost 1.7 million Leave voters and one million Remain supporters. It also failed to win over swing voters and turned out fewer non-voters than in 2017.

The report also lays bare the shortcomings of the Corbyn operation going into the 2019 general election, concluding that the leadership lacked a clear strategy and a coherent message. The report also said there was a "toxic culture" in the party, spawned by years of infighting which resulted in "significant strategic and operational dysfunction".

However, the commission refused to lay all the blame for Labour's defeat on Mr Corbyn and Brexit, saying it "would be a mistake to believe that a different leader, with Brexit no longer a defining issue, would in itself be sufficient to change Labour's fortunes".

"Labour could have further to fall unless deep thinking is done to overcome the deep problems that have been growing for many years."

Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader, appealed to the party to "put aside the factionalism and division of years".

"We owe it to the people whom we represent to look outwards to the country rather than inwards," Mr Miliband wrote in the Guardian.

But Mr Corbyn's leadership was a decisive factor in the disastrous 2019 defeat, according to the report, which found that the "Stop Jeremy Corbyn" message was a "major driver" of the Conservatives' success across all key groups, including non-voters and swing voters.

The report also concluded that Labour was beaten by the Tories in the digital war.

"Our organisation and campaigning is not fit for purpose: our methods still owe more to the 1990s than the 2020s," said Mr Miliband. "And while we prided ourselves on digital innovation in 2017, the Conservatives were miles ahead of us last year. A top-to-bottom transformation is required."

Some changes have already begun: Mr Corbyn has gone - as have many of this team - and Brexit is done. But the party has so much more to do to win back those lost working communities along the Red Wall while also trying to win back seats in Scotland: not since 1955 has the Labour Party formed a government with fewer than 40 seats in Scotland; they currently hold one.

Sir Keir Starmer, who became leader in April, has so far avoided being drawn into the debate. He has instead focused on scrutinising the government's handling on the coronavirus pandemic, but surely the way to bring a divided Labour party, and his disparate, disillusioned voter base together is to sketch out a new economic settlement, a new social and economic plan.

The unanswerable question right now is the extent to which the coronavirus crisis will not just reshape our economy but our communities too.

Richard Burgon, a key Corbyn ally and former shadow justice secretary, believes the divisions that characterised the past four years for Labour have been transformed by a public health crisis that will fundamentally shift the centre ground of politics further to the left.

"We basically, tragically, got smashed at the general election but going forward I think that coronavirus, and the economic crisis that I fear is on its way hot on the heels of coronavirus will mean that the Labour Party really needs to carry on putting forward radical innovative bold policy solutions," he told Sky News. "I think people's demand for practical policies that protect living standards will actually increase in the months and the years ahead."

Tony Blair's election victory of 1997 is the stuff of Labour history. Sir Keir will have to better it to win the keys to No 10.

That is a ballot box challenge that would surely seem impossible in normal times but these are not normal times. The coronavirus pandemic will force big economic change - and on this the commissioners of the report think they can build consensus across a very disparate group of Labour voters - be they lapsed or active.

It gives Sir Keir a mission that will not just rally his party - but just might rally those voters who have left Labour behind.

https://news.sky.com/story/a-toxic-...ort-reveals-why-it-lost-the-election-12010091

 

[MenInG]

A defamation case brought by ex-Labour employees against the party is expected to be settled in the High Court later.

Labour is being sued by seven whistleblowers who appeared on a BBC Panorama programme last year criticising the then leadership's handling of anti-Semitism complaints

They argue attempts were made by the party to undermine their reputation.

Since becoming leader in April, Keir Starmer has sought to emphasise his commitment to tackling anti-Semitism.

In the July 2019 programme, entitled Is Labour Anti-Semitic?, a number of former party officials alleged that senior figures close to the leadership at the time had interfered in the process of dealing with anti-Semitism complaints.

They also claimed they had faced a huge increase in complaints since Jeremy Corbyn became leader in 2015.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53489611

 

[Robert]

I watched that programme - it was shocking to someone who thought Labour are the good guys.

 

[Markhor]

Starmer so far has run rings around Johnson at PMQs. A legal background no doubt helps his inquisitioning skills.

However PMQs is only followed by committed partisans and Labour are still behind in the polls. But if there's a second wave of coronavirus and the unemployment crisis doesn't improve then the Govt will be in serious trouble.

 

[the Great Khan]

I watched that programme - it was shocking to someone who thought Labour are the good guys.

the labour leaks report exposed many of those whistleblowers as racists and plotters who helped labour lose the 2017 election.

I am done with Labour. It is anti Bame, anti Muslim and hates the palestinians. I hope Boris wins again.

 

[James]

I am done with Labour. It is anti Bame, anti Muslim and hates the palestinians. I hope Boris wins again.

I haven’t voted Labour since Brown, but I’ve been thinking recently that I would consider voting for Starmer. I also respect your views. Intrigued as to why in your opinion Labour is anti BAME/Muslim/Palestine ?

 

[the Great Khan]

I haven’t voted Labour since Brown, but I’ve been thinking recently that I would consider voting for Starmer. I also respect your views. Intrigued as to why in your opinion Labour is anti BAME/Muslim/Palestine ?

they are beholden to the rightwing Jewish lobby who are all tory voters. They simply give lip service to BAME issues, you can see from the number of BAME mp's in starmers cabinet. His appeasement of the pro israeli lobby who have created a form of tiered racism , is sickening. They have no real policies other than parroting 2015 and prior to that. They are obsessed with trying to win back the red wall, bu pandering to white supremacy. Their comments in the media with regards to the black lives matter movement is damning. Starmer was also the architect of the failed brexit policy probably knowing full well it would sabotage the election.

His sacking of RLB while at the same time not reprimanding other members of his supporters club who are racist bullies is even more damning. Their support for Modi's position on Kashmir is a disgrace. His support for Israel. Also the promotion of imbeciles like Lisa nandy who are as thick as two planks and their lack of defence of the tories attempt to sell off the NHS is ever more damning.

They are simply New Labour round 2 and I will not vote for a bunch of racists who pretend they arent racist. At least with the tories I know where I stand. Starmer and his group predominantley white centrists, who are closet racists and are not even socialist are not people I want to associate myself with.

If he gets into power which he might considering his links with the establishment, they will probably start a war with another Muslim country, support Israel even more, and look to continue to discriminate against Muslims in this country. All done with a smile on their faces.

 

[Robert]

they are beholden to the rightwing Jewish lobby who are all tory voters. They simply give lip service to BAME issues, you can see from the number of BAME mp's in starmers cabinet. His appeasement of the pro israeli lobby who have created a form of tiered racism , is sickening. They have no real policies other than parroting 2015 and prior to that. They are obsessed with trying to win back the red wall, bu pandering to white supremacy. Their comments in the media with regards to the black lives matter movement is damning. Starmer was also the architect of the failed brexit policy probably knowing full well it would sabotage the election.

His sacking of RLB while at the same time not reprimanding other members of his supporters club who are racist bullies is even more damning. Their support for Modi's position on Kashmir is a disgrace. His support for Israel. Also the promotion of imbeciles like Lisa nandy who are as thick as two planks and their lack of defence of the tories attempt to sell off the NHS is ever more damning.

They are simply New Labour round 2 and I will not vote for a bunch of racists who pretend they arent racist. At least with the tories I know where I stand. Starmer and his group predominantley white centrists, who are closet racists and are not even socialist are not people I want to associate myself with.

If he gets into power which he might considering his links with the establishment, they will probably start a war with another Muslim country, support Israel even more, and look to continue to discriminate against Muslims in this country. All done with a smile on their faces.

The "other members" who propagated antisemitic conspiracy tropes apologised when Starmer asked them to. RLB was given the opportunity to apologise and chose not to.

What purpose would another war with a Muslim country serve? None. Everyone recognises Russia as the enemy again.

What discrimination against Muslims? That's illegal under the Equality Act 2010, therefore impossible for the government without risking court action.

New Labour Two seems a wonderful idea to me as New Labour One actually got elected - unlike any socialist party since 1974 - and did many good things for the people of Britain. I hope Starmer can link up with centre-left parties such as Lib Dems and Scot Nats to provide a workable alternative to the Tories.

 

[Robert]

The only black mp I can think of is chuka and he has had more parties than dj sammy

As for sinn fein I'm sure they provided some help to corbyn when the DUP joined theresa may

Think again - there are four in the Shadow Cabinet alone. Mr Umunna failed to win a seat in December and is not a MP.

Sinn Fein do not take their seats in the Commons so could not have provided help to Corbyn there.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

The "other members" who propagated antisemitic conspiracy tropes apologised when Starmer asked them to. RLB was given the opportunity to apologise and chose not to.

What purpose would another war with a Muslim country serve? None. Everyone recognises Russia as the enemy again.

What discrimination against Muslims? That's illegal under the Equality Act 2010, therefore impossible for the government without risking court action.

New Labour Two seems a wonderful idea to me as New Labour One actually got elected - unlike any socialist party since 1974 - and did many good things for the people of Britain. I hope Starmer can link up with centre-left parties such as Lib Dems and Scot Nats to provide a workable alternative to the Tories.

There was nothing 'antisemiti c'. Another conflation with Israel. Like condemning Saudi isn't Islamophobi . I don't like RLB but she followed the instructions and Stacked, who I thought 8 liked, used it to rid a dissident. He's too pandery for me

 

[the Great Khan]

The "other members" who propagated antisemitic conspiracy tropes apologised when Starmer asked them to. RLB was given the opportunity to apologise and chose not to.

What purpose would another war with a Muslim country serve? None. Everyone recognises Russia as the enemy again.

What discrimination against Muslims? That's illegal under the Equality Act 2010, therefore impossible for the government without risking court action.

New Labour Two seems a wonderful idea to me as New Labour One actually got elected - unlike any socialist party since 1974 - and did many good things for the people of Britain. I hope Starmer can link up with centre-left parties such as Lib Dems and Scot Nats to provide a workable alternative to the Tories.

lol..you keep dreaming and living in your cloud cuckoo centrist utopia. Starmer has disgraced the membership and will kow tow to the powerful lobbies. RLB's retweet wasnt anti semitic and Labour has run a bus over the Palestinians and kashmiris. All Sir Knight of the crooked table cares about is winning back northern racists. He can have em. I hope they crash and burn.

When the next election comes I will have to see if the RSS modi nutjobs support a candidate opposite our local MP. If they do i will vote for her. if they dont I'll keep my vote.

As for the Russians being the enemy. Lol. Everyone is little britains enemy. The plucky brits dont do anything wrong..lol..

 

[Robert]

lol..you keep dreaming and living in your cloud cuckoo centrist utopia. Starmer has disgraced the membership and will kow tow to the powerful lobbies. RLB's retweet wasnt anti semitic and Labour has run a bus over the Palestinians and kashmiris. All Sir Knight of the crooked table cares about is winning back northern racists. He can have em. I hope they crash and burn.

When the next election comes I will have to see if the RSS modi nutjobs support a candidate opposite our local MP. If they do i will vote for her. if they dont I'll keep my vote.

As for the Russians being the enemy. Lol. Everyone is little britains enemy. The plucky brits dont do anything wrong..lol..

Starmer is striving to win back the Jewish vote that Corbyn alienated. RLB sabotaged that by retweeting an anti Semitic conspiracy theory - no, “Israel” does not train American police - and would not apologise so she had to be sacked.

Obviously Labour must win the north back that Corbyn lost in order to form a government.

The Russians are training nuclear missiles on us, they would roll tanks on our allies in the Baltic states were NATO not there in force, they attempt assassinations of their dissidents on our streets, corrupt our leaders and interfere in our elections.

 

[Robert]

What we see from Starmer is the return of pragmatism and competence to the Labour Party after five wasted years.

 

[irfan]

Starmer is striving to win back the Jewish vote that Corbyn alienated. RLB sabotaged that by retweeting an anti Semitic conspiracy theory - no, “Israel” does not train American police - and would not apologise so she had to be sacked.

Obviously Labour must win the north back that Corbyn lost in order to form a government.

The Russians are training nuclear missiles on us, they would roll tanks on our allies in the Baltic states were NATO not there in force, they attempt assassinations of their dissidents on our streets, corrupt our leaders and interfere in our elections.

what nonsense! can you point out the so called anti semitic conspiracy theory or trope? Even if Israel wasn't training USA police it still wouldn't make it anti-semitic, but the fact is Israel does do that & it's well documented:

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-who...-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/

 

[KingKhanWC]

Starmer is striving to win back the Jewish vote that Corbyn alienated. RLB sabotaged that by retweeting an anti Semitic conspiracy theory - no, “Israel” does not train American police - and would not apologise so she had to be sacked.

Obviously Labour must win the north back that Corbyn lost in order to form a government.

The Russians are training nuclear missiles on us, they would roll tanks on our allies in the Baltic states were NATO not there in force, they attempt assassinations of their dissidents on our streets, corrupt our leaders and interfere in our elections.

lol. The Jewish vote is minimul compared to the Muslim vote. Israeli police which are criminals, violaters of human rights have trained many American police officers, mainly the leaders which makes it worse.

NATO is a terrorist organistion, it make Russia look like a disney character, stop igonring the crime of your land of so called democracy and stop attacking Russia because you've watched a few too many Bond movies.

Starmer is another Bliar, who is a war criminal still roaming the streets free and helping to create more murders.

Your UK democracy is a farce, time you wake up and accept this.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

they are beholden to the rightwing Jewish lobby who are all tory voters. They simply give lip service to BAME issues, you can see from the number of BAME mp's in starmers cabinet. His appeasement of the pro israeli lobby who have created a form of tiered racism , is sickening. They have no real policies other than parroting 2015 and prior to that. They are obsessed with trying to win back the red wall, bu pandering to white supremacy. Their comments in the media with regards to the black lives matter movement is damning. Starmer was also the architect of the failed brexit policy probably knowing full well it would sabotage the election.

His sacking of RLB while at the same time not reprimanding other members of his supporters club who are racist bullies is even more damning. Their support for Modi's position on Kashmir is a disgrace. His support for Israel. Also the promotion of imbeciles like Lisa nandy who are as thick as two planks and their lack of defence of the tories attempt to sell off the NHS is ever more damning.

They are simply New Labour round 2 and I will not vote for a bunch of racists who pretend they arent racist. At least with the tories I know where I stand. Starmer and his group predominantley white centrists, who are closet racists and are not even socialist are not people I want to associate myself with.

If he gets into power which he might considering his links with the establishment, they will probably start a war with another Muslim country, support Israel even more, and look to continue to discriminate against Muslims in this country. All done with a smile on their faces.

Labour aren't beholden to the Jewish lobby, they are beholden to their voters at the end of the day, they have to recognise the way the wind is blowing and try to recapture the white working class vote at some point. Most of those white working class read the Sun or the Daily Mail if they can tell the difference these days.

 

[miandadrules]

Starmer is striving to win back the Jewish vote that Corbyn alienated. RLB sabotaged that by retweeting an anti Semitic conspiracy theory - no, “Israel” does not train American police - and would not apologise so she had to be sacked.

Obviously Labour must win the north back that Corbyn lost in order to form a government.

The Russians are training nuclear missiles on us, they would roll tanks on our allies in the Baltic states were NATO not there in force, they attempt assassinations of their dissidents on our streets, corrupt our leaders and interfere in our elections.

And how is that different to the manner in which the US and UK conduct themselves?

Do foreign powers have missiles and troops stationed at our borders?

Do our governments not indulge in extra judicial killings?


Are our nuclear weapons pointing to the floor?

Do we not prop up tyrannical regimes and interfere in the elections of sovereign nations?

One would think if you’re exhibiting so much outrage at the actions of Russia you would insist on holding your own nation to at least the same standard.

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-who...-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/

 

[Robert]

And how is that different to the manner in which the US and UK conduct themselves?

Do foreign powers have missiles and troops stationed at our borders?

Do our governments not indulge in extra judicial killings?Are our nuclear weapons pointing to the floor?

Do we not prop up tyrannical regimes and interfere in the elections of sovereign nations?

One would think if you’re exhibiting so much outrage at the actions of Russia you would insist on holding your own nation to at least the same standard.

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-who...-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/

I’ll tell you one difference - in the UK you can make the above post and you don’t get disappeared off the street.

I’ll tell you another - in the UK I can choose my leaders through free and fair elections.

I am not proud of everything my country has done, but I am proud of our liberal democracy. And yes, we and our liberal democratic allies are within range of the missiles, cyberattacks and election interference / propaganda of at least one hostile power. If you accept that due to the moral relativism so often seen on PP - nobody can take any moral stance because everyone is evil - then you don’t value your own freedom as a British citizen.

 

[Robert]

lol. The Jewish vote is minimul compared to the Muslim vote. Israeli police which are criminals, violaters of human rights have trained many American police officers, mainly the leaders which makes it worse.

NATO is a terrorist organistion, it make Russia look like a disney character, stop igonring the crime of your land of so called democracy and stop attacking Russia because you've watched a few too many Bond movies.

Starmer is another Bliar, who is a war criminal still roaming the streets free and helping to create more murders.

Your UK democracy is a farce, time you wake up and accept this.

And yet you can post this and not get disappeared, so your UK democracy clearly values you.

There is no evidence that Israeli police taught the US police the knee on throat technique - see https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israeli-secret-service-teach-floyd-police-to-kneel-on-neck.

You know the Russian trolls are deliberately stirring up race hate here, right? Who will be hurt most by that?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

And yet you can post this and not get disappeared, so your UK democracy clearly values you.

There is no evidence that Israeli police taught the US police the knee on throat technique - see https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israeli-secret-service-teach-floyd-police-to-kneel-on-neck.

You know the Russian trolls are deliberately stirring up race hate here, right? Who will be hurt most by that?

All said and done I think I prefer America to genocidal Chinese or Russians

 

[KingKhanWC]

And yet you can post this and not get disappeared, so your UK democracy clearly values you.

There is no evidence that Israeli police taught the US police the knee on throat technique - see https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israeli-secret-service-teach-floyd-police-to-kneel-on-neck.

You know the Russian trolls are deliberately stirring up race hate here, right? Who will be hurt most by that?

I was referring to the idea people are free to choose their government, this is only in theory, the media easily fool the UK public as they did with JC. There is no chance of any anti-Zionist or socialist to be in charge of the UK.

As for freedom of speech, it's not free in the UK either if you change the word Muslim to Jew.

Obviously Israeli terrorist police will not make it known what they do teach but you insited none were taught by them , which is not true and you have accepted it.

Russian trolls are no danger for Muslims. We've had 20 years of Islamaphobia propogated by western media, not to mention 4 million people killed by the terrorist org known as Nato. When Russia do the same, come back to me.

 

[the Great Khan]

Starmer is striving to win back the Jewish vote that Corbyn alienated. RLB sabotaged that by retweeting an anti Semitic conspiracy theory - no, “Israel” does not train American police - and would not apologise so she had to be sacked.

Obviously Labour must win the north back that Corbyn lost in order to form a government.

The Russians are training nuclear missiles on us, they would roll tanks on our allies in the Baltic states were NATO not there in force, they attempt assassinations of their dissidents on our streets, corrupt our leaders and interfere in our elections.

Police forces train across the western world. Especially the ones obsessed with colonial techniques of oppression. They exchange ideas and do train with each other. Whetehr the Isrealis "taught" this technique is irrelevant. The fact they do train american police officers in anti terror tactics and other methods is undeniable.

You second point about winning back the red wall. While doing that he will lose the cities and then can sit back and cry about it. Pandering to racists will just make Labour a centre right party.

Finally your point about Russia is laughable and displays an acute sense of ignorance. You seem to fit the mold of a typical Brit. Easily led and not willing to read around nuanced subjects. hence why you can be fed a constant stream of information about a particular topic and you will regurgitate it. The Russian situation is complicated and not a simple thing.

As for your comment about Starmer bringing pragmatism. Lol you mean conservative lite policies. The British electorate must be the stupidest on earth. Told they can have a better life than the rubbish we are given, they reject it for a rubbish life. So they can moan about it at the bus stop. I dont want blairs failed pragmatism that killed 4 million Muslims and created ISIS. I want policies that are ethical and that are there to help people not give us the bogey of "realism" while lining the pockets of the rich.

 

[MenInG]

Jeremy Corbyn's brother Piers has been fined £10,000 under new coronavirus laws for his role in an anti-lockdown protest.

The older sibling of the former Labour leader told Sky News he plans to take legal action after being one of the first people to receive the heavy fine for allegedly organising the gathering.

 

[Robert]

Police forces train across the western world. Especially the ones obsessed with colonial techniques of oppression. They exchange ideas and do train with each other. Whetehr the Isrealis "taught" this technique is irrelevant. The fact they do train american police officers in anti terror tactics and other methods is undeniable.

You second point about winning back the red wall. While doing that he will lose the cities and then can sit back and cry about it. Pandering to racists will just make Labour a centre right party.

Finally your point about Russia is laughable and displays an acute sense of ignorance. You seem to fit the mold of a typical Brit. Easily led and not willing to read around nuanced subjects. hence why you can be fed a constant stream of information about a particular topic and you will regurgitate it. The Russian situation is complicated and not a simple thing.

As for your comment about Starmer bringing pragmatism. Lol you mean conservative lite policies. The British electorate must be the stupidest on earth. Told they can have a better life than the rubbish we are given, they reject it for a rubbish life. So they can moan about it at the bus stop. I dont want blairs failed pragmatism that killed 4 million Muslims and created ISIS. I want policies that are ethical and that are there to help people not give us the bogey of "realism" while lining the pockets of the rich.

Sad that you think Northerners are racists. And perplexing that you think that the North does not contain cities.

I’m smarter and better read that “a typical Brit”. As for Russia’s tactics I suggest that you read Alternative War by JJ Patrick.

Starmer brings competence back to the Labour leadership. It is strange that you associate political ability and brains with war. Starmer is more like eighties Labour than New Labour, only brainier. He has cut the Tory lead by 24% since April.

 

[Firebat]

UK's Labour ties with Conservatives for first time since 2019, YouGov poll finds

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s opposition Labour Party has caught up with the governing Conservatives for the first time since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister in July last year, a YouGov opinion poll showed.

Data released late on Friday showed the Conservatives and Labour both on 40% support, based on online polling of 1,618 adults conducted on Sept. 16 and Sept. 17.

A previous YouGov poll on Sept. 9 showed the Conservatives on 42% and Labour on 37%.

This is the first time YouGov, one of Britain’s main polling organisations, has shown Labour level with the Conservatives since May 2019, just before Theresa May said she would resign as prime minister and while Jeremy Corbyn still led Labour.

A poll by Opinium on Aug. 30 also showed the two parties level.

Johnson became prime minister in July last year and in December won the Conservatives their largest election victory since 1987, gaining an 80 seat majority which is likely to keep them in power until at least 2024.

However Johnson’s popularity has fallen since December, due largely to growing public concern about his government’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

Faced with a choice between Johnson and Labour’s new leader Keir Starmer - a former chief prosecutor who succeeded Corbyn in April - 35% of those polled said they preferred Starmer, while 30% favoured Johnson.

Labour begins its annual party conference this weekend, while the Conservatives hold theirs from Oct. 3-6.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...me-since-2019-yougov-poll-finds-idUSKCN26A0L4

 

[James]

Not sure if Boris, who looks in increasingly poor physical health and is mentally really starting to feel the pressure, can last it out until 2024.

My feeling is that the Tory Party will do its usual hatchet job and replace him at some point. So the next election is likely between Starmer, and one of Sunak or Gove.

I know the Tories are not doing a particularly good job at the moment, with anything really, and they are going seriously stale on the shelf having ruled us for over a decade now — but Starmer’s Labour is still an early prospect and has a fair bit to prove in the next few years before it can credibly say it is ready for government, imo.

 

[Robert]

Not sure if Boris, who looks in increasingly poor physical health and is mentally really starting to feel the pressure, can last it out until 2024.

My feeling is that the Tory Party will do its usual hatchet job and replace him at some point. So the next election is likely between Starmer, and one of Sunak or Gove.

I know the Tories are not doing a particularly good job at the moment, with anything really, and they are going seriously stale on the shelf having ruled us for over a decade now — but Starmer’s Labour is still an early prospect and has a fair bit to prove in the next few years before it can credibly say it is ready for government, imo.

Gove is probably next, within six months. The party won’t tolerate Johnson’s chaos and routine humiliation. He probably has the political skill to keep the hard right on side.

Though Sunak might be the better long-term bet as he is more telegenic and comes across as trustworthy to the public.

Whichever become PM I hope will sack Cummings.

 

[shaz619]

I get the grievances one may have with the Kashmiri issue given an individuals heritage on this forum I imagine most are either Pakistani or Kashmiri, but why is there sympathy for Palestinians / Arabs ?

 

[Markhor]

Listened to Keir Starmer on Desert Island Discs. Spoke very movingly about his mum who suffered from Still's Disease - a rare immune disorder that attacks the joints and how close they were a few times to losing her (Josephine died eventually in 2015).

The most heartbreaking fact was that she was too ill to speak and could not speak to his children.

His dad was a toolmaker and worked from 8am-10pm five days a week.

Seems like a grounded individual, but he'll need to spell out credible policies for government that'll win over swing voters as well as exciting the base to become Prime Minister.

 

[Robert]

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Seems like a grounded individual, but he'll need to spell out credible policies for government that'll win over swing voters as well as exciting the base to become Prime Minister.

I wish the Labour Party would split, with Corbyn leading the socialists and Sir Keir the centre-left. It would only work under PR though, as under FPTP the left vote would split and Tories win again.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I get the grievances one may have with the Kashmiri issue given an individuals heritage on this forum I imagine most are either Pakistani or Kashmiri, but why is there sympathy for Palestinians / Arabs ?

Seems they have bought into the idea that Muslims are a common body based on some ideals on faith. Not that dissimilar to how we westerners share a love for freedom and can empathise with Americans who live thousands of miles away.

 

[shaz619]

Seems they have bought into the idea that Muslims are a common body based on some ideals on faith. Not that dissimilar to how we westerners share a love for freedom and can empathise with Americans who live thousands of miles away.

I would get that if the feelings were mutual between the distinct ethnic groups, I don'y believe the muslims are a united front / common body. Palestinians and arabs don't have the same sympathy for Kashmiris or that bothered about Pakistani's in the name of Brotherhood. Anyhow, all these eulogies for Keir are funny, he has left Labour in an even worse position, party is divided and his advocacy for Islampahobia in favour of Jewish facism has damaged the party, he is too bothered about this then real issues, Labour are in the headlines for all the wrong reasons again, but am sure those who want rapists back in society are happy about this, it will only magnify Tory austerity.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I would get that if the feelings were mutual between the distinct ethnic groups, I don'y believe the muslims are a united front / common body. Palestinians and arabs don't have the same sympathy for Kashmiris or that bothered about Pakistani's in the name of Brotherhood. Anyhow, all these eulogies for Keir are funny, he has left Labour in an even worse position, party is divided and his advocacy for Islampahobia in favour of Jewish facism has damaged the party, he is too bothered about this then real issues, Labour are in the headlines for all the wrong reasons again, but am sure those who want rapists back in society are happy about this, it will only magnify Tory austerity.

I am not really that bothered about Palestine or Arabs either to be honest, I think that is an issue for arabs to address. Anyway I don't want to deflect from the topic which is about Starmer, who is apparently a socialist who will be more acceptable than Corbyn who some people think is anti-semite. I don't personally.

 

[Markhor]

I would get that if the feelings were mutual between the distinct ethnic groups, I don'y believe the muslims are a united front / common body. Palestinians and arabs don't have the same sympathy for Kashmiris or that bothered about Pakistani's in the name of Brotherhood. Anyhow, all these eulogies for Keir are funny, he has left Labour in an even worse position, party is divided and his advocacy for Islampahobia in favour of Jewish facism has damaged the party, he is too bothered about this then real issues, Labour are in the headlines for all the wrong reasons again, but am sure those who want rapists back in society are happy about this, it will only magnify Tory austerity.

I agree with you about the Arabs, only Pakistanis have this romantic notion of the Ummah and seem to want to be more Arab than the Arabs when their governments give two hoots about the interests of the Ummah including Pakistan.

However I have to disagree on Starmer creating a mess. Whatever you think of the anti-semitism issue and if it's exaggerated to destroy Corbyn - why did Corbyn give that statement ? Isn't it in everyone's interests to move on ? Just say I accept the EHRC report (an organisation Labour set up) and let the party heal. Instead he left no option for Starmer, who needs to appear tough on anti-semitism no matter how trivial the allegation, to suspend him. As for Islamophobia, at least Labour will investigate it while the Conservatives, who have a far bigger Islamophobia problem, have covered it up.

Finally, Corbyn may have a good heart, but fact is he left Labour with the worst Election defeat since 1935. The hard left never take responsibility for their failures and will blame Brexit or the media, but many voted last year simply to stop Corbyn from becoming Prime Minister - not because they had some great affinity for Boris Johnson. Corbyn made far too many wild spending and nationalisation pledges. Thanks to that - it now means Labour need the BIGGEST swing in its history to win a majority in 2024 - that's how calamitous 2019 was.

 

[shaz619]

I agree with you about the Arabs, only Pakistanis have this romantic notion of the Ummah and seem to want to be more Arab than the Arabs when their governments give two hoots about the interests of the Ummah including Pakistan.

However I have to disagree on Starmer creating a mess. Whatever you think of the anti-semitism issue and if it's exaggerated to destroy Corbyn - why did Corbyn give that statement ? Isn't it in everyone's interests to move on ? Just say I accept the EHRC report (an organisation Labour set up) and let the party heal. Instead he left no option for Starmer, who needs to appear tough on anti-semitism no matter how trivial the allegation, to suspend him. As for Islamophobia, at least Labour will investigate it while the Conservatives, who have a far bigger Islamophobia problem, have covered it up.

Finally, Corbyn may have a good heart, but fact is he left Labour with the worst Election defeat since 1935. The hard left never take responsibility for their failures and will blame Brexit or the media, but many voted last year simply to stop Corbyn from becoming Prime Minister - not because they had some great affinity for Boris Johnson. Corbyn made far too many wild spending and nationalisation pledges. Thanks to that - it now means Labour need the BIGGEST swing in its history to win a majority in 2024 - that's how calamitous 2019 was.

The question isn't why Jeremy gave that statement, you explain to me why Keir since becoming leader comes across as an individual who entirely is invested in bending backwards to appease the Jewish lobby. I don't deny that Jeremy failed in the recent election, the lack of clarity on his stance on Brexit didn't help but the party have never fully backed him so he isn't entirely responsible for the failure, it takes a team effort to be left needing such a big swing actually; but he is history now, the man in charge now is Kier, why can't he give it a rest the jewish behind licking , are there not more pressing matters in the country ? this is the same guy who voted against investigation into then Iraq war and he has divided the party further and alienated the left, he needs to put this petty feud with Corbyn behind him. Am not a fan of the arab sympathies everyone over here is aware of that but a vote for Labour under Kier is a vote for increasing wide spread Islamophobia which will rise and Red Austerity.

 

[Markhor]

The question isn't why Jeremy gave that statement, you explain to me why Keir since becoming leader comes across as an individual who entirely is invested in bending backwards to appease the Jewish lobby. I don't deny that Jeremy failed in the recent election, the lack of clarity on his stance on Brexit didn't help but the party have never fully backed him so he isn't entirely responsible for the failure, it takes a team effort to be left needing such a big swing actually; but he is history now, the man in charge now is Kier, why can't he give it a rest the jewish behind licking , are there not more pressing matters in the country ? this is the same guy who voted against investigation into then Iraq war and he has divided the party further and alienated the left, he needs to put this petty feud with Corbyn behind him. Am not a fan of the arab sympathies everyone over here is aware of that but a vote for Labour under Kier is a vote for increasing wide spread Islamophobia which will rise and Red Austerity.

Until Labour reveal their manifesto we don't know what their economic plan is, austerity or otherwise. Starmer wasn't an MP until 2015 so not sure where you found that he opposed an Iraq War investigation - he OPPOSED the 2903 invasion.

As for anti-semitism, look a party founded on values of social justice and anti-racism cannot appear hypocritical by seeming not to take anti-semitism seriously. I agree some of the anti-semitism charges are by right-wing Jewish groups trying to censor criticism of Israel, but again EHRC are an organisation created by Labour and they found party procedures were too slow in addressing complaints.

The best interests of the Labour Party was to accept the findings and put this drama to bed. Instead Corbyn wanted to relitigate the battle with his comments and gave Starmer no choice. Why ?

My own view is as long as Starmer supports a two state solution, Palestinian rights and diplomatic/economic pressure on Israel, then let him have these mini dramas re: anti-semitism for the sake of Labour's electoral chances in 2024.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Starmer just needs to keep his head down and let Boris and the Tories do the rest.

The economy will still be mess at the time of the next election, and by then we will have had a Tory PM for 14 years and the nation will be yearning for change.

Providing he doesn’t do anything stupid I think Starmer is a shoo-in to become next PM. Also the press won’t have it in for him to the same degree as they did for Miliband and Corbyn. Miliband was portrayed as some kind of weirdo and Corbyn was labelled a Marxist and terrorist sympathiser. Nothing will be as bad as that for Starmer.

 

[Robert]

Thirteen left-wing members of the NEC staged a “digital walkout” as Margaret Be kett is elected NEC Chair.

Starmer’s campaign to wrest back power from the Corbynista left continues apace. This is the right time to do it, four years off the next general election.

https://labourlist.org/2020/11/margaret-beckett-elected-as-nec-chair-after-left-stage-digital-walk-out/?fbclid=IwAR388S6wntgbwO9jqsw3DhsuNHpIC56tQdHGZ7IrgYECvevOy4GoNffBHOY

 

[shaz619]

Until Labour reveal their manifesto we don't know what their economic plan is, austerity or otherwise. Starmer wasn't an MP until 2015 so not sure where you found that he opposed an Iraq War investigation - he OPPOSED the 2903 invasion.

As for anti-semitism, look a party founded on values of social justice and anti-racism cannot appear hypocritical by seeming not to take anti-semitism seriously. I agree some of the anti-semitism charges are by right-wing Jewish groups trying to censor criticism of Israel, but again EHRC are an organisation created by Labour and they found party procedures were too slow in addressing complaints.

The best interests of the Labour Party was to accept the findings and put this drama to bed. Instead Corbyn wanted to relitigate the battle with his comments and gave Starmer no choice. Why ?

My own view is as long as Starmer supports a two state solution, Palestinian rights and diplomatic/economic pressure on Israel, then let him have these mini dramas re: anti-semitism for the sake of Labour's electoral chances in 2024.

See this: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...gainst-investigating-tony-blair-over-iraq-war , this is also listed as part of his voting record on the workforyou site; the vote was registered in 2016.

There is nothing to take seriously with regards to anti-semitism, it being blown out of proportion; this exercise is also alienating all those communities who vote for labour / feel people of their faith are being oppressed on a day to day basis and when it comes from the bloke who supports Mr.Blair's adventures in Iraq then I think that's a massive shot being fired in the foot, he is appeasing the Jewish rupees but there are more Muslims in this country who have supported the Labour party.

You talk about Labour's manifesto but what has Starmer done besides bending over for the Jews and picking a pointless fight he can never win with Jeremy when the more pressing matters in the country should be in the limelight, not a good look for the new supreme leader at all.

A two state solution is simply not attractive for Muslim voters of Labour, Arabs might be snakes but the Holy Land has value to the identity of Muslim and therefore what belongs to them must be returned and in doing so the genocide of the Palestinians must come to an end. Starmer might come across as someone who is well spoken, educated etc and has some Charisma, but so did David Cameron and Mr.Blair, people like these are the worst, they have Shaythan inside them and I think that if you are a Muslim especially, you would be a fool to support Iblees himself, Mr.Starmer is a friend of the Jew not Muslim, he has conveyed that very well, that's my take on him so far. Unless there is an astronomical improvement on this front and I see other benefits, am not voting for Labour in the next elections, most people in our communities will be thinking the same, lets see if the Jews can save Labour, and if they do, by god you may as well consider the issues that concern Muslim minorities and communities dead.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea but to suggest Starmer has the devil inside of him is quite something. Even Tory supporters haven’t gone that far in their dislike of Starmer. Give the guy a chance, he’s only been in the job for 5 minutes.

 

[Robert]

See this: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...gainst-investigating-tony-blair-over-iraq-war , this is also listed as part of his voting record on the workforyou site; the vote was registered in 2016.

There is nothing to take seriously with regards to anti-semitism, it being blown out of proportion; this exercise is also alienating all those communities who vote for labour / feel people of their faith are being oppressed on a day to day basis and when it comes from the bloke who supports Mr.Blair's adventures in Iraq then I think that's a massive shot being fired in the foot, he is appeasing the Jewish rupees but there are more Muslims in this country who have supported the Labour party.

You talk about Labour's manifesto but what has Starmer done besides bending over for the Jews and picking a pointless fight he can never win with Jeremy when the more pressing matters in the country should be in the limelight, not a good look for the new supreme leader at all.

A two state solution is simply not attractive for Muslim voters of Labour, Arabs might be snakes but the Holy Land has value to the identity of Muslim and therefore what belongs to them must be returned and in doing so the genocide of the Palestinians must come to an end. Starmer might come across as someone who is well spoken, educated etc and has some Charisma, but so did David Cameron and Mr.Blair, people like these are the worst, they have Shaythan inside them and I think that if you are a Muslim especially, you would be a fool to support Iblees himself, Mr.Starmer is a friend of the Jew not Muslim, he has conveyed that very well, that's my take on him so far. Unless there is an astronomical improvement on this front and I see other benefits, am not voting for Labour in the next elections, most people in our communities will be thinking the same, lets see if the Jews can save Labour, and if they do, by god you may as well consider the issues that concern Muslim minorities and communities dead.

Corbyn picked the fight by disobeying his party leader.

Starmer wants to make Labour a safe place for Jewish members again, where they are free of discrimination and harassment.

So sad that one minority feels so hostile to another. You’re looking the wrong way.

 

[Robert]

I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea but to suggest Starmer has the devil inside of him is quite something. Even Tory supporters haven’t gone that far in their dislike of Starmer. Give the guy a chance, he’s only been in the job for 5 minutes.

He is the most effective leader since Brown, and has brought Labour back from a twenty-point deficit to around parity.

As Brexit kicks in, the Tories will become unpopular. All Starmer has to do to win is present a reasonable alternative, while gradually gaining control of the party levers of power.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Corbyn picked the fight by disobeying his party leader.

Starmer wants to make Labour a safe place for Jewish members again, where they are free of discrimination and harassment.

So sad that one minority feels so hostile to another. You’re looking the wrong way.

Ironic since two of the most influential newspapers are owned by a Jew and they have been running dog whistle stories aimed at demonising Muslims for decades now.

Anyway, shaz is right, I'm not sure pandering to the Jewish vote will be that beneficial for Labour. Most of them probably vote Conservative for other reasons, and him reaching out won't get many extra votes, but it might lose him quite a lot.

 

[shaz619]

Corbyn picked the fight by disobeying his party leader.

Starmer wants to make Labour a safe place for Jewish members again, where they are free of discrimination and harassment.

So sad that one minority feels so hostile to another. You’re looking the wrong way.

Corbyn expressed a view, Mr Starmer picked the fight and ended up with a bloody nose and came out looking like a weak coward, the sort of coward's that support the early 2000's genocide in Iraq and also the one in Palestine currently. Labour have turned into a joke of a party much like your pathetic party who handicapped the future of young students, neither will have my vote. Tories will reign supreme and it will be the fault of your kind. Your fault because you continue to demonise working class heroes, young people and Muslims with the facism. The fact that it is so accepting to malign Muslims and treat them as second class citizens is disgraceful and extremely damaging, such behaviour is what encourages far right extremism and also Wahabi terrorism. I suggest you sign up for an equality and diversity course, and no being friends with that one black or muslim person doesn't count Robert.

 

[shaz619]

He is the most effective leader since Brown, and has brought Labour back from a twenty-point deficit to around parity.

As Brexit kicks in, the Tories will become unpopular. All Starmer has to do to win is present a reasonable alternative, while gradually gaining control of the party levers of power.

He is effective at being a mouthpiece for Zionism. The Tories have done the worst yet remained in power and a big part of it is due to the fascist views in other parties which encourages violence towards muslim minorities.

 

[Robert]

He is effective at being a mouthpiece for Zionism. The Tories have done the worst yet remained in power and a big part of it is due to the fascist views in other parties which encourages violence towards muslim minorities.

Individual Jewish members driven out of the party are not “Zionism”, they are human beings made to feel fear by the Labour Party. Just think about that. Labour should be a safe haven for minorities. What went wrong? How did Labour come to break the Equality Act?

The rise in fascism and violence affects all minorities, not just Muslims. Violence against Jews, Blacks, Poles, Gypsies, LGBTQ is up too.

The best way to drive back the fascist tide is to get a centre-left government elected, led by someone credible such as Starmer.

 

[MenInG]

Counting has begun after a day of elections that could have profound implications for the future of the United Kingdom and the Labour Party.

Dubbed Super Thursday, polls closed at 10pm last night in the largest test of political opinion outside a general election in nearly 50 years.

The future of the Labour Party and the state of the union are two of the main issues at play.

In Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon's SNP is hoping for an overall majority, which she said she will see as a mandate to hold a second independence referendum, which risks splitting up the United Kingdom.

Voters in Wales were voting for their national representatives in the Senedd, with Mark Drakeford hoping to maintain Labour's grip - although he could be forced to forge a new coalition to remain as first minister.

In England, people were not only voting in local council elections but also mayoral contests and for police and crime commissioners.

Early results show the Conservatives have gained Harlow from Labour.

The Tories have held Redditch; Labour have held Rochdale, South Tyneside, Sunderland and Newcastle-upon-Tyne; Southend-on-Sea has remained under no overall control.

For Labour, the Hartlepool by-election will indicate what, if any, progress the party has made in regaining its former heartlands from the Conservatives after its worst general election result since 1935.

Hartlepool has always had a Labour MP and held its majority in 2019, even as a lot of the "red wall" crumbled around it - but pre-election polls pointed towards a Tory win.

Losing the seat would be a major blow for Sir Keir Starmer and provide a rare by-election gain for a governing party.

Speaking moments after the polls closed, local government secretary Robert Jenrick played down suggestions the Conservatives could win in Hartlepool.

He told Sky News: "It would be distasteful if Keir Starmer didn't just win, but win with a majority.

"It's exceptionally rare to win a by-election when you're in government.

"The idea the Conservatives would be able to win a seat that's been held for 40 to 50 years is remarkable.

"If it's close, that's a really serious indictment of Keir Starmer."

Voters - and politicians - will be kept waiting longer than usual for results due to coronavirus restrictions.

They will trickle in over the weekend and through to Monday, with some potentially not declaring until next Tuesday.

The bumper set of elections has been the result of the coronavirus pandemic delaying contests from 2020.

Holyrood votes will be counted on Friday and Saturday, while Wales' result should become clear on Friday.

The Hartlepool by-election will be counted overnight, with a result expected in the early hours of Friday.

It could be Sunday night before England's local election results are declared and the police and crime commissioners votes may not be declared until Monday night.

SKY

 

[MenInG]

A Labour spokesman has confirmed Labour Leader Sir Keir Starmer and his family are self-isolating after one of his children tested positive for COVID-19

 

[MenInG]

Sir Keir Starmer has said the Labour conference this week was a turning point for the party and it now has a "credible programme" to win the next general election.

The Labour leader, speaking the morning after his 90-minute keynote speech, said if voters do not want to support the plans put forward at conference then he does not know what their problem is.

Sir Keir told Sky News' Kay Burley: "It's a broad church, there is something now to unite behind, which is the programme we're setting out - a credible programme for government.

"We can unite around a programme that is credible and that will put us into a position to go into government.

"If you dissent, if you don't like affordable housing which is was what we unveiled on Friday, if you don't like employment rights, including statutory sick pay, which was so desperately needed during the pandemic, if you don't like the idea that children should leave school ready for life, ready for work, then I don't really know what you're arguing against, because it seems to me working families up and down the country are desperate for these changes to be made."

During the five-day Labour conference in Brighton, the first in-person since Sir Keir became leader in 2020, the party made several big policy announcements on the economy, housing, employment and education.

It promised to spend an extra £28bn a year on making the UK economy more "green", phase out business rates and ensure tech giants pay more tax, increase council and affordable housing stocks, increase the minimum wage to at least £10 an hour and end charitable status for private schools.

And Sir Keir managed to get through a change in how Labour leaders are voted for, despite much talk against it before the vote over the weekend.

Sir Keir's speech was derided as too long by some but he said it was meant to be an hour and the extra half-an-hour was due to "applause and giving me standing ovations".

"That is a good thing, and some heckling, yes - but if the only criticism of the speech is it was too long then I'll take that and trim it for next time," he said.

The Labour leader has struggled with accusations of being uncharismatic and lacking emotion but his speech on Wednesday was deeply personal as he drew on his experiences of being brought up by his toolmaker father and NHS nurse mother.

He said he did not agree that you needed to be a showman to win a general election and used the example of Labour Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford, saying he is "not a showman" but has a "very reassuring, honest, open, transparent style".

And he dismissed Boris Johnson's style of leadership, pointing to the current fuel and energy crises and saying: "We are lurching from crisis to crisis to crisis.

"Yes, you can campaign on slogans but you absolutely can't govern in slogans."

Labour party leader Sir Keir Starmer and his wife Victoria walk along the promenade in Brighton, East Sussex, ahead of delivering his keynote speech at the Labour Party conference. Picture date: Wednesday September 29, 2021.

Sir Keir added that he is continually compared with other leaders but he is his own man and is confident he can win the next election.

He said: "Ever since I became Labour leader people have been wanting to tattoo somebody else's name on my head, are you this previous leader, that previous leader - all leaders are different.

"My job is not to hug a leader from the past but to do the job that leader of the Labour needs to do now, which is to get our party ready to go into the next general election and be in a position to win it - and win it.

"We are absolutely going for that next general election, I'm fed up with people saying you can't do it."

sky

 

[Robert]

I think he is doing ok. Not great but ok. Let’s see if Labour advances as the winter of discontent kicks in.

 

[the Great Khan]

I think he is doing ok. Not great but ok. Let’s see if Labour advances as the winter of discontent kicks in.

He's rubbish..the most boring rambling nothing speech I've ever heard..a toxic useless party that will be trounced by the most useless govt in two decades..

The tories aren't afraid of Keith.. they want him there..

He has no policies..

Nothing on social housing
Education
Young people
The economy.

Just unimpressive..another white 50 Yr old man to appeal to white 50 plus people..

 

[Robert]

He's rubbish..the most boring rambling nothing speech I've ever heard..a toxic useless party that will be trounced by the most useless govt in two decades..

The tories aren't afraid of Keith.. they want him there..

He has no policies..

Nothing on social housing
Education
Young people
The economy.

Just unimpressive..another white 50 Yr old man to appeal to white 50 plus people..

I thought it was ok, what I heard of it. He told of his working class roots and set out his values.

Ad for policies, those will be published in the manifesto for the next election. That’s how politics works.

Labour has a mountain to climb because it has lost Scotland to the SNP. Also Corbyn spooked Middle England, but the hard left are gradually losing hold on the CLPs and sensible moderate candidates are coming through. The Shadow Cabinet looks competent and credible again.

As for Starmer I think he would make a brilliant Home Secretary, but sadly politics has degraded into a reality TV show so they probably need the more personable Andy Burnham back from Manchester to lead.

 

[the Great Khan]

I thought it was ok, what I heard of it. He told of his working class roots and set out his values.

Ad for policies, those will be published in the manifesto for the next election. That’s how politics works.

Labour has a mountain to climb because it has lost Scotland to the SNP. Also Corbyn spooked Middle England, but the hard left are gradually losing hold on the CLPs and sensible moderate candidates are coming through. The Shadow Cabinet looks competent and credible again.

As for Starmer I think he would make a brilliant Home Secretary, but sadly politics has degraded into a reality TV show so they probably need the more personable Andy Burnham back from Manchester to lead.

He appeals to the status quo. A boring middle manager. He doesn't inspire but considering the electorate is older perhaps this is what they want. A boring middle manager. I for one won't vote for him nor the Labour Party again as it has returned to the islamaphobic days of Blair. Its not a party for black Asian Muslim people. Its just tory lite for olde white people..

 

[Robert]

He appeals to the status quo. A boring middle manager. He doesn't inspire but considering the electorate is older perhaps this is what they want. A boring middle manager. I for one won't vote for him nor the Labour Party again as it has returned to the islamaphobic days of Blair. Its not a party for black Asian Muslim people. Its just tory lite for olde white people..

So kicking out the antiSemites and regaining the trust of Britain’s Jews makes the party Islamophobic?

 

[Robert]

I am reading Gabriel Pogrund’s book Left Out which concerns the Corbyn Project between the 2017 and 2017 elections.

Just got to the bit where Labour have been hammered, and Sir Kier is poised to take over.

 

[James]

I am reading Gabriel Pogrund’s book Left Out which concerns the Corbyn Project between the 2017 and 2017 elections.

Just got to the bit where Labour have been hammered, and Sir Kier is poised to take over.

I read the fascinating Left Out in the week it was released, and that version ends with Corbyn stepping down. Is there now an updated edition? (It would make sense for there to be)

 

[Technics 1210]

When a political party raises concerns for Palestinians, then its the party for humanity/morality etc - oh wait, Corbyn did, and he was ridiculed.

The malarky concern for British Jews is just that, a concern born out of mass-media brainwashing. Zionist puppets.

 

[Robert]

I read the fascinating Left Out in the week it was released, and that version ends with Corbyn stepping down. Is there now an updated edition? (It would make sense for there to be)

Yeah, there is a chapter called “Winning Kier” which I guess is the update.

 

[Robert]

When a political party raises concerns for Palestinians, then its the party for humanity/morality etc - oh wait, Corbyn did, and he was ridiculed.

The malarky concern for British Jews is just that, a concern born out of mass-media brainwashing. Zionist puppets.

Layla Moran has raised concerns for the Palestinians and the LDs were not ridiculed.

Corbyn’s associations were the problem.

 

[Technics 1210]

Layla Moran has raised concerns for the Palestinians and the LDs were not ridiculed.

Corbyn’s associations were the problem.

Talking about Labour, not LDs.

Not the point. When will KS supporters highlight the plight of the Palestinians? When was the last time you posted anything in defence of the Palestinians? Quick to point out AS within the Labour party, quick to point out Ken Livingston was expelled by stating a fact (Harvana agreement)?

How is Layla Moran doing these days?

Corbyn was a man of principles, he wasn’t a sell-out like Starmer who is a pro Zionist through and through.

Why is it you feel the vote of a Jew is more valuable than the vote of the common man?