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San Francisco's ruling Board of Supervisors has voted to let the city's police use robots that can kill.

The measure permits police to deploy robots equipped with explosives in extreme circumstances.

Dr Catherine Connolly, from the group Stop Killer Robots, said the move was a "slippery slope" that could distance humans from killing.

The city's police - the SFPD - told the BBC they do not currently operate any robots equipped with lethal force.

They said though that there may be future scenarios in which lethal force could be used by a robot.

A spokesperson for the police said "robots could potentially be equipped with explosive charges to breach fortified structures containing violent, armed, or dangerous subjects".

They also said robots could be used to "incapacitate, or disorient violent, armed, or dangerous suspects who pose a risk of loss of life".

Advocates for the measure said it would only be used in extreme situations.

Opponents, however, say the authority could lead to further militarisation of the police force.

The measure passed, with an amendment on Tuesday specifying that officers could only use robots wielding deadly force after employing alternative de-escalation tactics.

The board also stipulated that only a limited number of high-ranking officers could authorise its use.

This type of lethal robot is already in use in other parts of the United States.

In 2016, police in Dallas, Texas, used a robot armed with C-4 explosive to kill a sniper who had killed two officers and injured several more.

The SFPD said the department does not currently own any robots outfitted with lethal force, but said the measure might be needed in the future.

"No policy can anticipate every conceivable situation or exceptional circumstance which officers may face. The SFPD must be prepared, and have the ability, to respond proportionally," a spokesperson said.

The federal government has long dispensed military grade equipment, camouflage uniforms, bayonets and armoured vehicles to help local law enforcement.

But a California state law passed this year now requires city police forces to inventory military-grade equipment and seek approval for their use.

Dr Catherine Connolly, from the campaign group Stop Killer Robots, said the move could "make humans more and more distant from the use of force and the consequences of the use of force".

She also said the measure could make it "easier to make decisions to use lethal force in the first place".


https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63816454
 
America so bored of killing it now wants robots to do their dirty work.

Dr Connolly is correct police will now be less hestitant to kill because it will be the robots and I assume if any child is gunned down or something goes wrong they will blame a faulty robot or malfunction.

USA will try these out on their own people first but then send them to war Zones to help with their imperialism.

Lets just hope Ed209 doesnt arrive on the scene.
 
I have a mixed feeling about this.

This can be effective against genuinely dangerous criminals but can also result in innocent deaths.
 
Reminds me about a scene from the film "The Terminator" from 1984. In it the character Kyle Reece talks about machines killing people in about "40 years". That could about to be a reality some 39 years on.
 
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The scary thing is that this bill does not limit use of AI logic. As of now, the initial roll out of killer robots is human monitored. BUT the bill does not seem to be limited to only human controlled or human monitored robots and allows for expansion into artificial intelligence (AI logic) controlled robots to make an on-field decision whether to kill or not kill a human. So imagine a random person's (or group of people's) computer program choosing to kill you or not kill you.

What we think/assume (evident from many news outlets and forums like these) - the conflict or fight among religious or cultural groups of Islam, Zionists, Christianity, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or the conflict between western and non-western nations is critical.

The reality that seems to be - The above conflicts are only critical in the short term. The longer term more important conflict is probably machines versus humans at every level of the society. As "George Orwellian" or Terminator type far fetched sci-fi this seems to be, this is much closer to reality than what many of us realize and is already happening. The more important conflict is the common masses (puppets like us) versus the corporate+government nexus with militaristic bends. This nexus is essentially all the same as much as we like to claim that one of them (zionist, hindutva, right wing christian, Islamic ... or ... Western: Non-Western) is worse than the other.

1. Labor take over - Machines are replacing more of humans - started with automated industrial tasks, then transportation (driverless cars), white collar professional services (accounting, legal and even medical diagnosis tasks are taken over now). We are now getting into a phase where computer programmer tasks are taken over with latest AI logic being able to write its own code. Essentially a society in the near future that is highly dependent on AI (and cannot revert back to same level without disruptions without AI)
2. Legal rulings - This is a landmark ruling by San Francisco and will set a precedent for other cities and countries, not just the US. Let's face it, if this proves viable even countries like China or India or Iran or Saudi will be equally eager to implement this just like Israel or India. As much as many here portray this as an evil deed by war mongering US (which is true), all governments will be culpable to using this when proven and when given a chance.
3. Lethal abilities - Started with human controlled drones, then human monitored drones with some level of AI. Now we have reached a stage where many drones and remote missile striking abilities are fully controlled by AI logic alone. Image/Video processing of real time satellite data through neural network backed AI logic to make "human-less" decisions to strike remote targets. I remember reading a couple of articles stating nuclear capabilities in some sectors/countries are getting to human monitored (NOT human controlled but a step closer to AI controlled which is human monitored). If it goes at the same rate as drones, we are closer to nuclear capabilities being AI controlled with occasional human monitor/intervention.
Financial Control and Power - Started with more of tech controlled big finance decisions. This grew to tech controlled market decisions which then grew to tech dominated and controlled financial decisions. Now we have reached a stage where a significant trading volume (more than 80% I think) in every major stock/commodity/futures market is tech controlled and most of this is AI logic operating without humans. This was taken to another level by the coupling of crypto to major markets (BTC into futures market in 2018 and so forth. Crypto market now is even more dominated by AI programs running independent of humans and has enhanced the power of AI to disrupt global financial markets. If Coinbase, Binance, Kraken all fail at a similar level as FTX did, then you can guarantee it will drag most markets down.

There are some initiatives (like https://www.stopkillerrobots.org/) that hope to stop or at least stall this. But sadly none of this seems to have enough attention from people. For most of the general population, unless you are in general tech or defense tech know-how, all of the above still seem way too far fetched to warrant any serious discussion. People still feel the more important conflicts are based on religious/cultural differences but these are bound to be fast outdated soon over next 1-3 decades.

Disclaimer - I'm NOT an anti-tech person nor a doomsday scaremonger. I'm actually a tech enthusiast myself who has followed the evolution or neural networks, AI, Web 3.0, and Crypto. I'm also an active crypto investor. I do recognize that technology is essential for human evolution (most of humanity's accomplishments impossible without or tech progress).

Above disclaimer being said, we have now reached a major inflection point (fork in the road if you will) thanks to perfect storm aka a nexus of five factors evolving to support each other. #1 - Govt/militaristic adoption of human-less AI infused tech, #2 - Evolution of AI tech to "think and decide" without human input, #3 - Evolution of AI self replication (much more advanced today than what people realize), #4 - AI control of many human society's foundations like economy/labor/policy, #5 - Legal frameworks enhancing AI power (at the expense of human power).

There has been no precedent in history where all of the five factors above evolved and converged like this. As these five factors get more powerful, it will spell more danger for all of the "aam aadmi" people like us. But like I said, sadly all of this still only sounds like far fetched sci-fi for most people and will continue to do so, probably until it is all way too advanced thanks to the policies backed by the corporate+govt+rich elites.
 
Couple of updates here regarding labor take over by AI

Krispy Kreme (fastfood chain) mentioning that certain tasks will now be taken over by robots - https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/krispy-kreme-ceo-robots-frosting-filling-doughnuts-211028054.html -- there are many such fastfood chains with similar changes

Hotels having more automated robots taking over cleaning tasks to the point of obviating humans - https://www.npr.org/2022/12/21/1143475374/hotels-labor-worker-shortage-robots-automation
 
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