Level playing field : How can India be number one Test team if they aren't playing D/N Tests?

[MenInG]

Whatever the reasons behind India's decision for refusal to play Day/Night Tests, the fair thing to expect from the ICC to ensure that India is not allowed top rank in Tests if they refuse to play in such format.

 

[the Great Khan]

lol..they can do whatever they want..the ICC only censures countries that dont have any money..

 

[Gilly]

Playing D/N tests has nothing to do with rankings.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Fully agree with MIG.

India has no moral right to keep the #1 ranking if they cannot cooperate with the system.

Having said we live in a world where morality has little to no regard and we are talking about BCCI here, a board with no shame or ethics.

 

[MenInG]

Playing D/N tests has nothing to do with rankings.

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All countries need to be playing similar formats.

 

[WengerOut]

Rankings and D/N matches relate how??

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Day/Night tests are heavily biased against SC teams where there's a lot of dew in the evening, especially on cooler days. India relies primarily on Ashwin and Jadeja at home who will be neutered completely. No team would want to lose their home advantage foolishly.

 

[Rana]

Number 1 Test team without playing Pakistan in UAE. Same goes for Pakistan when they became number one recently.

Flawed ICC ranking system

 

[AMSS]

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All countries need to be playing similar formats.

A D/N test is not a different format.

Most teams play different numbers of D/N ODIs...does it affect their ranking?

If a country, say Zimbabwe, is poor to have D/N facility, it should suffer on ranking table?

 

[hadi123]

In ODI's and T20I's, day night matches aren't weighted differently. They shouldn't be in tests either so I can see no correlation. I think it's fair they're number 1 regardless of playing daynight matches or not.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Better thing will be to ask ICC to penalise India heavily for every Test victory at home

 

[Harshu814]

I understand your jealously for indian being #1, but just use ur brain ...if D/N tests arent included in test championsship,what weight and worth they have? Nothing ...why anyone shud play D/N tests? Its okay to be innovative but wasting energy on flood lights rather than using sunlight sounds really stupid to me ,noone shud defend D/N tests ...

Indian haters always hate everything that india is good in but would take it all when they are good at it ..i dont see why india must play D/N tests...they r #1 ans will be ...#1 rankings has nothing to do with D/N tests

Ex..when india was #1 t20 side before t20 WC, i remember pak posters saying T20 is nothing , only test rankings are important (as pak was top test team around that time in rankings ) now that india in #1 test side ...this kinda threads are here and now t20 rankings is real deal ....LOL to that!!

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes, India aren't no.1 test team.

When was the last time they drew a series away from home against a top opposition?

 

[Peshwa]

Yes, India aren't no.1 test team.

When was the last time they drew a series away from home against a top opposition?

I m wondering why you using the filter "drawn series" and why not " won the series"
Filter

 

[Harshu814]

Yes, India aren't no.1 test team.

When was the last time they drew a series away from home against a top opposition?

What are u talking about since india became #1 in 2015 ,we have won/draw 3/1 away series and only lost 1 away series and won all the home series .....wait a minute? Since when WI,SL,BAN doesnt count as away

Besides away test tour with ENG,AUS,SAF is done every 2-3 years i think in all this countries regarding india so india is yet to counter australia and england in upcoming away tours...

So why are u asking about past lost away tours ,when india wasnt #1?
Yes india lost 1 away tour to SAF by 1 match but dont think its big deal loosing to home dominating #2 side?

Judge all u want after upcoming ENG-AUS away tests

 

[Ab Fan]

What are u talking about since india became #1 in 2015 ,we have won/draw 3/1 away series and only lost 1 away series and won all the home series .....wait a minute? Since when WI,SL,BAN doesnt count as away

Besides away test tour with ENG,AUS,SAF is done every 2-3 years i think in all this countries regarding india so india is yet to counter australia and england in upcoming away tours...

So why are u asking about past lost away tours ,when india wasnt #1?
Yes india lost 1 away tour to SAF by 1 match but dont think its big deal loosing to home dominating #2 side?

Judge all u want after upcoming ENG-AUS away tests

They all count. But we are talking about a no.1 team.

A legacy of a no.1 team should not finish on winning matches and series away in SL, WI and Bangladesh.

A true no.1 team should have some great historical performance as well. I mean you leave all that, dont you feel what is the value of being a no.1 team when none of the wins will historically go down as memorable to cherish for like 2001 Aus, 2003 Aus, 2007 Eng and 2011 SA.

Hence, there is nothing to be proud of being a no.1 test team unless this team wins/draws a series in either Aus or SA or win a series in Eng/NZ.

 

[Harshu814]

They all count. But we are talking about a no.1 team.

A legacy of a no.1 team should not finish on winning matches and series away in SL, WI and Bangladesh.

A true no.1 team should have some great historical performance as well. I mean you leave all that, dont you feel what is the value of being a no.1 team when none of the wins will historically go down as memorable to cherish for like 2001 Aus, 2003 Aus, 2007 Eng and 2011 SA.

Hence, there is nothing to be proud of being a no.1 test team unless this team wins/draws a series in either Aus or SA or win a series in Eng/NZ.

2001,2003,2007,2011 were special to us because we werent dominating that time and we won/drew even if we werent suppose to,

What it shows us is that we defeated dominating australian side at home that time ,and win and loose is part of the game but india isnt loosing series at home is highly underrated.Besides i dont agree past tours count as legacy of current indian team ,they does count for overall but not for dominating #1 side.

And you will see,india will draw/win vs EnG and australia.

Except south africa what have they done wrong?they ll do well in upcoming tours ,i know it

 

[Shutdown Corner]

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All countries need to be playing similar formats.

Then we should also revoke the two World Cups West Indies won because they didn't play D/N ODIs back then.

Not playing DN Tests is a poor reason to discount a team as a #1.

India deserves their current #1 ranking for the following reasons:

1) they have the best W-L record by far since 2015.
2) England, South Africa, and Australia combined for just 1 win, and 1 genuine draw in India recently. India has already won a Test match in SA (albeit on a minefield, but AUS's win in Pune was also on a minefild so that evens out). India only needs to draw 1 of the 9 Tests in ENG and AUS in order to equal those teams' record in India.

 

[Monsee]

Then we should also revoke the two World Cups West Indies won because they didn't play D/N ODIs back then.

Not playing DN Tests is a poor reason to discount a team as a #1.

India deserves their current #1 ranking for the following reasons:

1) they have the best W-L record by far since 2015.
2) England, South Africa, and Australia combined for just 1 win, and 1 genuine draw in India recently. India has already won a Test match in SA (albeit on a minefield, but AUS's win in Pune was also on a minefild so that evens out). India only needs to draw 1 of the 9 Tests in ENG and AUS in order to equal those teams' record in India.

Hain, for that to happen, day-night ODI's had to be in existance and being played by all except WI?

You make absolute zero sense.

 

[giri26]

All stay on topic and any sort of personal attack will not be tolerated

 

[Gilly]

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All countries need to be playing similar formats.

Format is exactly the same, the only difference is the start time and different coloured ball.

 

[par]

Level playing field : How can India be number one Test team if they aren't playing on green tops in India?

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Hain, for that to happen, day-night ODI's had to be in existance and being played by all except WI?

You make absolute zero sense.

Fair point. But its not like all teams are playing loads of DN Tests. They make up less than 10% of the matches that all teams have played since the first DN test in 2015.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

I think of it in the ODI context, where we don't distinguish between day and D/N games for ranking points. In fact, tosses play a much larger role in day-night matches anyways, as dew can neutered spinners almost completely. So while there are other more critical flaws that come with to mind about the ranking system, this is not one of them!

 

[Hasan123]

India deserve number 1 ranking wheather we like it or not. Need to accept it and concentrate on our own teams failings rather than finding faults with Indian team all the time.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Agree with the OP. 3-day DN pink ball tests are the way forward and India needs to adopt to it. 5-day cricket is boring and needs some huge modifications else it shall die. Seriously, is there anyone who likes test cricket the way it is?

 

[MenInG]

D/N is a new format of cricket; Either all teams play it, or none should play it. Its not about India or any nation. Its about allowing the same chances to all teams.

 

[Swashbuckler]

D/N is a new format of cricket; Either all teams play it, or none should play it. Its not about India or any nation. Its about allowing the same chances to all teams.

But D/N in the subcontinent will be tough because of the dew factor. It can only be a new format if it can be played in all countries.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

D/N is a new format of cricket; Either all teams play it, or none should play it. Its not about India or any nation. Its about allowing the same chances to all teams.

Except it's not yhe same chance, it's biased against SC teams. So no SC team should play it.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Except it's not yhe same chance, it's biased against SC teams. So no SC team should play it.

But cricket is a British sport and we have to abide by whatever changes they make. Can't you just stop protesting and follow what has been asked? Need to learn from Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

But D/N in the subcontinent will be tough because of the dew factor. It can only be a new format if it can be played in all countries.

Then lets stop this nonsense. D/N should be scrapped.

BTW, one could ask the same of D/N ODIs and T20Is but from what I see ALL teams play these versions of the game, although in LOIs, white ball is used

 

[Swashbuckler]

Then lets stop this nonsense. D/N should be scrapped.

BTW, one could ask the same of D/N ODIs and T20Is but from what I see ALL teams play these versions of the game, although in LOIs, white ball is used

I don't know whether D/N tests should be scrapped or not but certainly I don't want to see it in India under prevailing circumstances. In a domestic D/N tournament last year (trial by BCCI) there were many difficulties because of the dew. All matches became high scoring borefests and spinners couldn't grip the ball under lights. If somehow dew can be neutered or some modifications made in the ball so that spinners aren't handicapped I will support D/N tests in India.

In ODIs/T20s all countries have agreed to uniformly implement D/N matches, so likewise in test cricket all should come to a consensus. In ODIs we have often seen how toss influences the match outcome in India, mostly favouring the chasing side. The ball becomes like a bar of soap and spinners only try to contain. Containment may still win you matches in the shorter formats but in test matches you need to pick wickets to win. That may be a reason why subcontinental teams haven't taken the D/N plunge. Australia has D/N cricket purely because of commercial reasons, they aren't doing it out of goodwill. In D/N matches they have more stadium attendance and the time gap between them and countries like Pakistan/England/South Africa means they will get more viewership in D/N test matches. If South Africa is to play Australia in a D/N test in Cape Town the Australian fans will have to stay awake whole night for 5 consecutive nights to catch the match, do you think broadcasters will ever agree to such a proposition?

 

[Sidilicious]

D/N is a new format of cricket; Either all teams play it, or none should play it. Its not about India or any nation. Its about allowing the same chances to all teams.

D/N tests is not a new format.

So, as per you D/N ODIs are different from Day ODIs?

And if it was a new format, the stats would have been counted separately. And they are not.

 

[MenInG]

D/N tests is not a new format.

So, as per you D/N ODIs are different from Day ODIs?

And if it was a new format, the stats would have been counted separately. And they are not.

Look you know what I am saying here. D/N Tests are played with a different ball and all sorts of factors are different from normal Tests. A team needs to be tested in all formats and that should be part of their ranking also.

 

[Sidilicious]

Look you know what I am saying here. D/N Tests are played with a different ball and all sorts of factors are different from normal Tests. A team needs to be tested in all formats and that should be part of their ranking also.

But its not like India is playing in the day, and the other team is playing at night. Both teams have the same conditions.

Also, by your logic, all teams should be tested in the same conditions, pitch and weather all the time. So when India travel to Australia and when Pakistan travel to Australia, they should get the exact same factors. But the factors such as pitch, weather etc cannot be replicated. They are unique to that day. So one team cannot be better than the other?

 

[pakistani pride]

Number 1 Test team without playing Pakistan in UAE. Same goes for Pakistan when they became number one recently.

Flawed ICC ranking system

Basically this. How can you be the NO 1 team when you dont play all TEST teams?

Did India get any reduction in points for not playing PAK?

 

[USofA]

Just out of curiosity, do England play any D/N tests at home?

 

[hadi123]

Just out of curiosity, do England play any D/N tests at home?

They played 1 against WI last year